Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Win7 is a good choice if you can get it on new laptops. It?s not always available anymore and Win8 is a PIA. Win7 is indeed OK. Win8 is fine, it's the crappy "Metro" desktop that's bad. There are also alternative UI's, that give you a "conventional" desktop for Win8 if you desire. What I've used and setup for others, is "Classic Shell", an open source project, that works just fine. http://www.classicshell.net/ Easy to install (and remove if needed!) The price is right! :-) (But you can donate if you wish.) It can be taylored to look like Win7, Vista or XP if you wish. It works very well, start button and all. And by default comes up after a boot. The Metro interface is still available if needed. The icon in the start button by default is a blue shell, but that can be changed if you need, and perhaps have a screen grab of the usual suspect. Enjoy! My three friends I've set it up for certainly do, and they are not Ham types, just ordinary domestic PC users With both W7 and W8 for Ham use, you do need to tweak the power settings, so that the OS doesn't power down the peripherals etc (USB subsystem) after a period of inactivity (no keyboard and mouse usage, nothing to do with any programs running.) However... For small lower powered portable or older PC's, Lubuntu (linux) takes some beating. WiFi even generaly works OK without fuss, battery life is good, and Fldigi/Flrig etc work very well, as does QSSTV (once you spend the time to compile and build all the QT related dependancies.) And of course the KX3 Utility runs on Linux too, though the way you manually install it is more windows like, than following Linux practices, but it works well. I've got it all running on a second hand Acer One "net tot" PC. If you can find one of them, they are brilliant bits of kit. Other non Ham stuff? "Stelarium" is brilliant to have too if you like the outdoors lifestyle.http://stelarium.com/ Audacity of course (if not already installed) for sound recording / editing / processing etc. And of course, there are any number of web browsers and email tools. I've not yet seen any Ham stuff that is realy viable/useful for Android devices yet, also there are serious limitations connecting "stuff" (rigs etc) to them. (Stelarium is not free for 'droid either!) I have no experience of Mac's or iPads. (I'm not an apple fan, I see it as over priced landfill for those who don't want to learn first.) I have yet to try PcBSD. (FreeBSD based, more Unix like than Linux, with a GUI desktop) It is said that Fldigi etc builds and runs on it too. 73. Dave G0WBX. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Folks, this thread was closed several hours ago. 73, Eric Moderator elecraft.com _..._ > On Nov 20, 2013, at 10:35 AM, Anthony Marriott > wrote: > > I am also a Mac user, but agree that running Windows can create issues. I > have had go luck with VMware but only use when I really have to. > > My preference is to use Mac compatible programs like Fldigi and MacloggerDX. > I've also used Rumlog and SdrDX with the KX3 successfully. They work well > together once configured properly > > Paul > AF5BV > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:05, k3...@comcast.net wrote: >> >> Bill, >> Be careful of running Windows on a MAC. I have run into some interesting >> problems doing that. I was working with two MAC Minis. One would allow >> access to the wireless network and the other would not. Additionally, not >> all sound cards play nice in this environment. The one that comes to mind is >> the one that FlexRadio uses in its 3000 or 5000. After weeks of effort by >> two of use we got it to work, but I really do not recommend going down this >> round; buy a cheap PC and save the grief. >> >> 73, >> Barry >> K3NDM >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Bill Frantz" >> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:00:12 AM >> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes >> >> In addition to all the PC suggestions, FLDIGI and cocoaModem >> work on Mac OS and support a bunch of digital modes. RUMlog and >> RUMped are decent logging programs. >> >> It is also possible to run Windows directly on Mac hardware. >> Apple makes high quality hardware and I have met people who run >> Windows on MacBook computers because they want to take advantage >> of the hardware and don't like Mac OS. >> >> Cheers - Bill, AE6JV -- a non-Windows user >> >>> On 11/19/13 at 5:23 PM, k...@comcast.net (Dave Moorman) wrote: >>> I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering >>> if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which >>> would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC >>> laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a >>> trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only >>> hard-and-fast requirements. >> >> -- >> Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the >> 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by >> www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I am also a Mac user, but agree that running Windows can create issues. I have had go luck with VMware but only use when I really have to. My preference is to use Mac compatible programs like Fldigi and MacloggerDX. I've also used Rumlog and SdrDX with the KX3 successfully. They work well together once configured properly Paul AF5BV Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 20, 2013, at 11:05, k3...@comcast.net wrote: > > Bill, > Be careful of running Windows on a MAC. I have run into some interesting > problems doing that. I was working with two MAC Minis. One would allow access > to the wireless network and the other would not. Additionally, not all sound > cards play nice in this environment. The one that comes to mind is the one > that FlexRadio uses in its 3000 or 5000. After weeks of effort by two of use > we got it to work, but I really do not recommend going down this round; buy a > cheap PC and save the grief. > > 73, > Barry > K3NDM > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Bill Frantz" > To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:00:12 AM > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes > > In addition to all the PC suggestions, FLDIGI and cocoaModem > work on Mac OS and support a bunch of digital modes. RUMlog and > RUMped are decent logging programs. > > It is also possible to run Windows directly on Mac hardware. > Apple makes high quality hardware and I have met people who run > Windows on MacBook computers because they want to take advantage > of the hardware and don't like Mac OS. > > Cheers - Bill, AE6JV -- a non-Windows user > >> On 11/19/13 at 5:23 PM, k...@comcast.net (Dave Moorman) wrote: >> I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering >> if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which >> would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC >> laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a >> trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only >> hard-and-fast requirements. > > -- > Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the > 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by > www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
On 11/19/2013 9:03 PM, Rick Bates wrote: > Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except > some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade > policy). And if you are nostalgic for "the old look" there are free programs to make it look "classic" and fix the appearance of the buttons on T-Bird and Firefox. Works well to control my K2 as needed. 73 de K2ASP - Phil Kane Elecraft K2/100 s/n 5402 >From a Clearing in the Silicon Forest Beaverton (Washington County) Oregon __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Bill, Be careful of running Windows on a MAC. I have run into some interesting problems doing that. I was working with two MAC Minis. One would allow access to the wireless network and the other would not. Additionally, not all sound cards play nice in this environment. The one that comes to mind is the one that FlexRadio uses in its 3000 or 5000. After weeks of effort by two of use we got it to work, but I really do not recommend going down this round; buy a cheap PC and save the grief. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: "Bill Frantz" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 3:00:12 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes In addition to all the PC suggestions, FLDIGI and cocoaModem work on Mac OS and support a bunch of digital modes. RUMlog and RUMped are decent logging programs. It is also possible to run Windows directly on Mac hardware. Apple makes high quality hardware and I have met people who run Windows on MacBook computers because they want to take advantage of the hardware and don't like Mac OS. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV -- a non-Windows user On 11/19/13 at 5:23 PM, k...@comcast.net (Dave Moorman) wrote: >I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering >if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which >would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC >laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a >trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only >hard-and-fast requirements. -- Bill Frantz | There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Don, I'm not sure that I would recommend the change. The drop of support only has meaning if you are planning to replace hardware or upgrade software. Yes, you won't be getting updates, but at this point, so what? I would suggest moving forward in steps as you need to, like buying a new computer. Whatever version of Windows you will use at that point will allow connection to your home network. If you take this approach you will save a lot of potential grief and long hours of trouble shooting. And, remember that you're fully functional at this point. Please disregard my suggestion if you are a computer science major or want to change hobbys from radio to computers. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: "Don Wilhelm" To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:27:52 AM Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes I am in the process of upgrading my XP computers to Win7 in anticipation of the April 2014 "drop dead date". With a home network of 8 computers and a NAS fileserver, it is not an overnight task. All computers must talk to each other on the network. I will end up with a couple of the computers running some version of Linux to save the cost of additional copies of Win7 OS, and I am glad to report that after 3 years of aborted attempts, I have finally found a workable configuration file for Samba that will allow a Linux computer to work on my home network. BTW, I have been recommending the use of Spectrogram for the Dial Calibration and filter alignment of the K2 (and K1), and am happy to report that it will run just fine under the most recent version of Wine. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/20/2013 12:03 AM, Rick Bates wrote: > I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer > offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the > software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. > > Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except > some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade > policy). > > And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new > Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it > should be. > > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Comment on window 8 .. 1) 8 and 7 are 98% the same os the only major diff is in 8 they added the new launcher 2) they made the launch page default 3) the took away the homescreen start button in 8.1 they made it a option to use the launcher or go back to how windows was. so take the time upgrade to 8.1 and you can change back to the default look and feel. xp = rock solid vista= me revisited 7= next =90%stable 8/8.1 new kid on the block -- KB3VGW Richard E Neese __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Time to end this thread. We're way exceeding the single topic short term posting limit on this one. 73, Eric Lost Modulator elecraft.com _..._ > On Nov 20, 2013, at 4:51 AM, "Chester Alderman" > wrote: > > Everyone is allowed their own opinion! Mine differs from Rick's > significantly. I have been running Win 8.0 and now 8.1 and find it to be > very stable and convenient to use. In my opinion MS DOES NOT need to fix > anything because it runs very smooth. I think what folks complain about is > our natural resistance to CHANGE and yes, Win 8.x produced 'change', but > once you get past the media comments about how awful the user interface is, > one can adapt quite easily. It is true that when Mr. Ford first produced a > car, resistance was rampart, BUT look around you now!! I run N1MM Logger, > YPlog, RBN, Skimmer, CW-Tune-In, VE7CC, and any other program I wish under > Win 8.1 and have had no issues with it. > > 73, > Tom - W4BQF > > > -Original Message- > From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net > [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Bates > Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:04 AM > To: k3...@comcast.net; 'Dave Moorman' > Cc: 'Elecraft Elecraft' > Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes > > I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer > offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the > software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. > > Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except > some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade > policy). > > And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new > Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it > should be. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > -Original Message- > From: k3...@comcast.net > > I would look for one that is running Windows XP or Windows7. > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Everyone is allowed their own opinion! Mine differs from Rick's significantly. I have been running Win 8.0 and now 8.1 and find it to be very stable and convenient to use. In my opinion MS DOES NOT need to fix anything because it runs very smooth. I think what folks complain about is our natural resistance to CHANGE and yes, Win 8.x produced 'change', but once you get past the media comments about how awful the user interface is, one can adapt quite easily. It is true that when Mr. Ford first produced a car, resistance was rampart, BUT look around you now!! I run N1MM Logger, YPlog, RBN, Skimmer, CW-Tune-In, VE7CC, and any other program I wish under Win 8.1 and have had no issues with it. 73, Tom - W4BQF -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Rick Bates Sent: Wednesday, November 20, 2013 12:04 AM To: k3...@comcast.net; 'Dave Moorman' Cc: 'Elecraft Elecraft' Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade policy). And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it should be. 73, Rick wa6nhc -Original Message- From: k3...@comcast.net I would look for one that is running Windows XP or Windows7. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I am partial to IBM/Lenovo Thinkpads. My W520 soldiers on tirelessly and has provided sterling performance. Take care es... Vy 73 de Bert WA2SI Sent from my android device. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
For desktop PC I have bought DELL for a decade using win200pro, XP and been very satisfied. I currently run a five year old duo-core 2.33 GHz, 3Mb memory, XP32 SP3 as my main computer for digital modes. If support is eventually dropped for XP that will only affect safe connection to internet. It will run independent of internet as long as you are happy with sw that is supported by XP. Some digital modes require accurate computer time which is easy from internet. But GPS time can be an alternative if internet connection is not safe. I have two latops: one old IBM thinkpad with win95 that never connects to internet and mainly runs two applications (one DOS-based). I have a 2009 Dell laptop that came with Vista (which I hated); I upgraded to win8pro and it took a month of help from a ms engineer to get it installed (original DVD would not accept its key-code for install and I had to transfer to a memory stick and ISO loader. So it runs but will not take any upgrades (another bug in the sw). Auto upgrades fail to install and win8 then auto removes the upgrade (takes over 30-minutes). Then it gets another auto upgrade and repeats the whole deal again. So mostly I run it with my SDR-IQ disconnected from internet. At work I bought a 2009 Lenovo (who took over the IBM Thinkpad line) and was very happy with it. The Thinkpad is the only laptop which was birdie free on VHF (they use a metal case). Had to leave this computer when I retired. My wife has a ipad-3 which she is happy with (plus has a twin to my Dell desktop) and a older IBM thinkpad (she has just resumed use for doing the budget - does not connect to internet). If you can find a win7 computer I think I would go with that and wait out upgrading until the next generation of windows. Seems every other upgrade from ms is OK. 73, Ed - KL7UW http://www.kl7uw.com dubus...@gmail.com "Kits made by KL7UW" __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
In addition to all the PC suggestions, FLDIGI and cocoaModem work on Mac OS and support a bunch of digital modes. RUMlog and RUMped are decent logging programs. It is also possible to run Windows directly on Mac hardware. Apple makes high quality hardware and I have met people who run Windows on MacBook computers because they want to take advantage of the hardware and don't like Mac OS. Cheers - Bill, AE6JV -- a non-Windows user On 11/19/13 at 5:23 PM, k...@comcast.net (Dave Moorman) wrote: I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. -- Bill Frantz| There are now so many exceptions to the 408-356-8506 | Fourth Amendment that it operates only by www.pwpconsult.com | accident. - William Hugh Murray __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Those "stuck" with Windows 8 can downgrade to Win 7 at no cost. I do not know all the details, but I have read several reports that say it is possible. It may require that you have a Win 7 DVD. Check Microsoft for better information. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/20/2013 12:22 AM, Tom Blahovici wrote: Lots of good advice here. Win7 is a good choice if you can get it on new laptops. It’s not always available anymore and Win8 is a PIA. One thing I didn’t see mentioned and it probably a good indication of adequate performance is to get a laptop with Wireless N capability. These days, some lower end laptops still do not come with this. Spend a little more and you won’t regret it. For example the used IBM’s Don mentions theres some at $250 and some at 295. The ones at 295 have wireless N networking adapters. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I am in the process of upgrading my XP computers to Win7 in anticipation of the April 2014 "drop dead date". With a home network of 8 computers and a NAS fileserver, it is not an overnight task. All computers must talk to each other on the network. I will end up with a couple of the computers running some version of Linux to save the cost of additional copies of Win7 OS, and I am glad to report that after 3 years of aborted attempts, I have finally found a workable configuration file for Samba that will allow a Linux computer to work on my home network. BTW, I have been recommending the use of Spectrogram for the Dial Calibration and filter alignment of the K2 (and K1), and am happy to report that it will run just fine under the most recent version of Wine. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/20/2013 12:03 AM, Rick Bates wrote: I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade policy). And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it should be. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Lots of good advice here. Win7 is a good choice if you can get it on new laptops. It’s not always available anymore and Win8 is a PIA. One thing I didn’t see mentioned and it probably a good indication of adequate performance is to get a laptop with Wireless N capability. These days, some lower end laptops still do not come with this. Spend a little more and you won’t regret it. For example the used IBM’s Don mentions theres some at $250 and some at 295. The ones at 295 have wireless N networking adapters. va2fsq On Nov 20, 2013, at 12:03 AM, Rick Bates wrote: > I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer > offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the > software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. > > Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except > some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade > policy). > > And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new > Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it > should be. > > 73, > Rick wa6nhc > > -Original Message- > From: k3...@comcast.net > > I would look for one that is running Windows XP or Windows7. > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I would NOT suggest using XP anymore. Software companies will no longer offer their support when Microsoft drops it next April (2014). If the software of your choice works, you win. If it doesn't, you're on your own. Win7 is stable, usable and is supported. It is also fairly familiar (except some folders are in different places per Microsoft [apparent] upgrade policy). And after a couple days exposure to Win8 - the interface SUX! It's the new Vista. Avoid it like the plague until they fix it. Nothing is where it should be. 73, Rick wa6nhc -Original Message- From: k3...@comcast.net I would look for one that is running Windows XP or Windows7. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
If you have a Mac (I have a MacBook Air) you can also run windows under a free (as in free beer) virtualization program from Oracle called VirtualBox. It is mostly open source. I use it to run XP and Win7 and Ubuntu on my Mac. The virtual machine files are not large. It works very well. 73, Oliver W6ODJ On 19 Jan. 2013, at 19:37 PM, Robert Nobis wrote: > Dave, > > If you have Mac experience and still have a Mac, you should use it. The > Mac is a very stable platform for Windows when you run Windows under > VMWare Fusion on an Intel based Mac. > > See http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ > > 73, > > > Bob - N7RJN > > On 11/19/13, 6:23 PM, "Dave Moorman" wrote: > >> Hello, All - >> >> I¹d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone >> can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My >> experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown >> territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but >> that¹s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. >> >> Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I¹m attempting to >> install Linux. Has anyone done that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave K9SW >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Dave, If you have Mac experience and still have a Mac, you should use it. The Mac is a very stable platform for Windows when you run Windows under VMWare Fusion on an Intel based Mac. See http://www.vmware.com/products/fusion/ 73, Bob - N7RJN On 11/19/13, 6:23 PM, "Dave Moorman" wrote: >Hello, All - > >I¹d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone >can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My >experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown >territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but >that¹s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. > >Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I¹m attempting to >install Linux. Has anyone done that? > >Thanks, > >Dave K9SW >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Oh yes there are. Gateway and Dell come to mind immediately as bad choices, some Toshibas and Sonys aren't far behind. 73, Rick wa6nhc Tiny iPhone 5 keypad, typos are inevitable > On Nov 19, 2013, at 6:06 PM, "Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT" wrote: > > There are almost no bad laptops. __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
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I found several Dell refurbished D620's a while back at the local GOODWILL store. New bat, and warranty on HD and computer. About $225. Love mine. Added memory after warranty ran out and also upgraded to larger solid state HD. Used for many club outings, FDs and personal activities. ...bill nr4c Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Don Wilhelm wrote: >Dave, > >If you are looking for an economy laptop, I would steer you to the >refurbished IBM laptops. They are typically priced at $240 and up >loaded with Windows 7 professional. See >http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2576396&storeId=1&catalogId=-840. > >I have had good success with the IBM/Lenovo computers - they just keep >on running, but then I normally use only desktops, the laptop is only >for infrequent travel purposes. > >73, >Don W3FPR > >On 11/19/2013 8:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: >> Hello, All - >> >> I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can >> recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience >> has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A >> decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the >> only hard-and-fast requirements. >> >> Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to >> install Linux. Has anyone done that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave K9SW >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> > >__ >Elecraft mailing list >Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > >This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
For the last 10-15 years all I have bought are Dells both Desktops and Laptops from the Outlet Store. They can be returns, Discontinued, Scratch & Dent, new ones that have been exchanged. Excellent Warranty!!! I have 3 for the shack and 4 laptops, my wife has one of each also as does my Grandson for when he comes over. I recently bought a Clam Shell Case for my iPad that gives it a regular raised keyboard and with its battery can power the iPad for about 100+ hrs continuous use or 6 mo standby. The case is all aluminum and lightweight. But still keeps the iPad small in size the case is amazing in all it does, but a bit pricey. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Lynn W. Taylor, WB6UUT Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:07 PM To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net Subject: Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes There are almost no bad laptops. I'm picky about keyboards. My netbook has an awful keyboard -- my mistake. Otherwise, look at battery life if you want to operate portable. -- Lynn On 11/19/2013 5:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: > Hello, All - > > I'd like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that's about the only hard-and-fast requirements. > > Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I'm attempting to install Linux. Has anyone done that? > > Thanks, > > Dave K9SW > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email > list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3629/6848 - Release Date: 11/19/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Yep! I've been using IBM/Lenovo laptops for many years. My most recent one died last week and I found a refurb same model for $200 taxed and delivered. /Rick Sent from my iPad On Nov 19, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > If you are looking for an economy laptop, I would steer you to the > refurbished IBM laptops. They are typically priced at $240 and up loaded > with Windows 7 professional. See > http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2576396&storeId=1&catalogId=-840. > > I have had good success with the IBM/Lenovo computers - they just keep on > running, but then I normally use only desktops, the laptop is only for > infrequent travel purposes. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > On 11/19/2013 8:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: >> Hello, All - >> >> I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can >> recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience >> has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A >> decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the >> only hard-and-fast requirements. >> >> Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to >> install Linux. Has anyone done that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave K9SW >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
There are almost no bad laptops. I'm picky about keyboards. My netbook has an awful keyboard -- my mistake. Otherwise, look at battery life if you want to operate portable. -- Lynn On 11/19/2013 5:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: Hello, All - I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to install Linux. Has anyone done that? Thanks, Dave K9SW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Dave, Almost any PC will work so long as it has a sound card. All of the digital software readily available will run on some minimal machines. I would look for one that is running Windows XP or Windows7. There are just a few questions that you will need to answer. One, is how much do I want to invest, and two, how many simulataneous applications do I plan to run. If you are going to run only FLDIGI, MIXW, DIGIPAN, etc, you only need something low end. I usually steer away from Apple and Linux as Apple just want too much money for their stuff and both have a limited supply of apps to play with as compared to the PC. 73, Barry K3NDM - Original Message - From: "Dave Moorman" To: "Elecraft Elecraft" Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 8:23:02 PM Subject: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes Hello, All - I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to install Linux. Has anyone done that? Thanks, Dave K9SW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I just use a cheap netbook made by ASUS. Works well, sips battery, and doesn't cost an arm and a leg if I drop it and it breaks. Make sure you buy a decent USB soundcard like the Griffin iMic for the best results. Built in sound cards work, but a lot of times they lead to more problems then they are worth. Frank KG6EYC On Tue, Nov 19, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Don Wilhelm wrote: > Dave, > > If you are looking for an economy laptop, I would steer you to the > refurbished IBM laptops. They are typically priced at $240 and up loaded > with Windows 7 professional. See http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/ > americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/CategoryDisplay?categoryId= > 2576396&storeId=1&catalogId=-840. > > I have had good success with the IBM/Lenovo computers - they just keep on > running, but then I normally use only desktops, the laptop is only for > infrequent travel purposes. > > 73, > Don W3FPR > > > On 11/19/2013 8:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: > >> Hello, All - >> >> I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone >> can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My >> experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown >> territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but >> that’s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. >> >> Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to >> install Linux. Has anyone done that? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Dave K9SW >> __ >> Elecraft mailing list >> Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft >> Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm >> Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net >> >> This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net >> Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html >> >> > __ > Elecraft mailing list > Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft > Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm > Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net > > This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net > Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html > -- CW: NAQCC #6554 | SKCC #10435 | FISTS #16155 | SOC #1038 | FPQRP #3186 Digital: FHC #4224 | 30MDG #6370 | DMC #5698 Gear: K3 #7164 | KX3 #1787 http://vadept.com __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
Dave, If you are looking for an economy laptop, I would steer you to the refurbished IBM laptops. They are typically priced at $240 and up loaded with Windows 7 professional. See http://www-304.ibm.com/shop/americas/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/default/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=2576396&storeId=1&catalogId=-840. I have had good success with the IBM/Lenovo computers - they just keep on running, but then I normally use only desktops, the laptop is only for infrequent travel purposes. 73, Don W3FPR On 11/19/2013 8:23 PM, Dave Moorman wrote: Hello, All - I’d like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that’s about the only hard-and-fast requirements. Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I’m attempting to install Linux. Has anyone done that? Thanks, Dave K9SW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
Re: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes
I use my iPad for my KX3 with an iMic plus a Logitech iPad speaker that clips on it works ok for those modes and a logging program. 73, Fred/N0AZZ K3 Ser # 6730--KX3 # 5210--K2/100 # 6470-KAT100 P3/SVGA--KAT500--W2 Amps Elecraft KPA500 HF/6m--Alpha's 9500 HF--87A HF--Mirage B-5030-G 300+w--(2) B-5016-G's 165w 2m -Original Message- From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Moorman Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2013 7:23 PM To: Elecraft Elecraft Subject: [Elecraft] PC laptop for K3/KX3 digital modes Hello, All - I'd like to get the K3 and KX3 on HF digital and am wondering if anyone can recommend a reasonably priced PC laptop which would do that. My experience has been only Macintosh so the PC laptop world is unknown territory. A decent keyboard and a trackpad are pretty essential, but that's about the only hard-and-fast requirements. Another question; I have an older iBook G3 on which I'm attempting to install Linux. Has anyone done that? Thanks, Dave K9SW __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3629/6848 - Release Date: 11/19/13 __ Elecraft mailing list Home: http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/elecraft Help: http://mailman.qth.net/mmfaq.htm Post: mailto:Elecraft@mailman.qth.net This list hosted by: http://www.qsl.net Please help support this email list: http://www.qsl.net/donate.html
