RE: NSA tests services

[UMBDENSTOCK, DON]

Bonjour Benoit,

There are numerous qualified labs that can assist you.

I have had good luck with Elite Electronic Engineering Co.  They helped
us perform our NSA and trained us when we first set up our sites.  They
operate OATS as well as anechoic chambers, so they should be able to
help you.  

Contact:Jim Klouda
1616 Centre Circle
Downers Grove, Illinois 605515

Phone:  630 - 495 - 9770
Good luck

Don Umbdenstock
Sensormatic Electronics Corporation

> --
> From: Benoit Nadeau[SMTP:bnad...@matrox.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:59 PM
> To:   emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
> Subject:  NSA tests services
> 
> Bonjour de Montreal,
> 
> I am presently looking for an outside test laboratory that is capable
> of
> performing a Normalized Site Attenuation test according to the latest
> version of CISPR22, ANSI C63.4 and the 1997 edition of the VCCI
> requirements (with a 80 MHz tuned dipole from 30 to 80 MHz).
> 
> We have two sites to qualify, a 3 meters (5 meters height)
> semi-anechoic
> chamber and an all-weather 10 meters Open Area Test Site. Matrox is
> located
> in Dorval (Quebec) Canada on the Montreal island (5 Km north of Dorval
> airport).
> 
> Can anybody can guide me to providers of that type of services or
> share
> some experiences (good or bad).
> 
> Thank you in advance,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --
> 
> Benoit Nadeau, ing. M.ing. (P.eng., M.eng)
> Gerant du Groupe Conformite (Conformity Group Manager)
> Matrox 
> --
> 
> 
> 1055, boul. St-Regis
> Dorval (Quebec) Canada
> H9P 2T4
> 
> Tel : (514) 969-6000 (x2475)
> FAX : (514) 969-6275
> Internet : bnad...@matrox.com, 
> 

Re: Compliance Mgmt. for OEM's, Turnkey, Joint Ventures, etc

[tania . grant]

 Jeff,
 
 My answers below yours, encased in <<>>.
 
  Tania Grant, Lucent Technologies, Octel Messaging Division
  tgr...@lucent.com


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Subject: Compliance Mgmt. for OEM's, Turnkey, Joint Ventures, etc.
Author:  colli...@perkin-elmer.com at P_Internet_Mail
List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org
Date:1/20/98 9:15 AM



 Good Day All,
 
 Can anyone share any of their experiences with managing their 
 suppliers for regulatory compliance.  As many of us are using
 OEM's, Turkeys, and Alternate Mfg Sites (usually out of the country) 
 it can become quite hectic to ensure that all applicable requirements 
 are being met. I will list some of the major issues we are facing. Any 
 information on how you've dealt with this or any good/bad experiences 
 would be appreciated. My intent is to define a clear Regulatory 
 Compliance Mission Statement for our suppliers that can be adopted 
 company wide.
 
 
 1) Validation of compliance from your supplier; do you accept self 
 certification or data from a NRTL?
  <>
 
 2) With an OEM, who takes responsibility for future changes / 
 modifications to the product or the standards?
  <> 
 
 3) With an OEM's DOC and other documents, who maintains responsibility 
 for it's accuracy, availability, and location.
  <>

 4) Alternate Mfg Sites: If you have your products completely 
 manufactured by someone else, what controls have you 
 implemented to ensure compliance, tracability, and quality. 
 Has anyone had their products manufactured by a company that's out of 
 the USA? Please elaborate on the details of this.
  <>
 
 5) If you OEM a project and put your company's logo on it, do you 
 re-certify it or use the original manufacturer's data?.
  <>


 6) If your OEM or supplier is based out of the USA, are they 
 charging you to meet the USA requirements? i.e. (UL, FCC, FDA, etc.) 
  <>
 
 7) If an OEM is retested and found to be non-compliant, how willing 
  have they been to resolve the issue and at who's expense?  <>
 
 Particularly if they are passing a European standard but not a USA 
 standard.
  <>  
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Jeff Collins  Sr.EMC/Safety Engineer
 
 Perkin-Elmer Applied Biosystems   colli...@perkin-elmer.com

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EN-60950 Question ...

[Doug McKean]

Situation:  Piece of equipment measures over 
3.5 milli-amps for earth leakage test: 

According to EN-60950 

"5.2.5: Equipment with an earth leakage current 
 exceeding 3,5 mA 

 CLASS I STATIONARY that is PERMANENTLY CONNECTED 
 EQUIPMENT, or that is PLUGGABLE EQUIPMENT TYPE B ... " 

then three conditions follow one of which is 
labeling requirements. 

Definition of PLUGGABLE EQUIPMENT TYPE B 
is located in 1.2.5.2. 


Questions:  If you claim your equipment is 
pluggable type equipment type A: 
Definition of pluggable type equipment 
type A is located in 1.2.5.1. 

Are you exempt from 5.2.5 ??? 

Are you allowed to use IEC-320 connectors? 

What really constitutes the difference between 
pluggable type equipment type A versus pluggable 
type equipment type B?  Just the plug? 

Or better, what is the spirit behind all this? 

Do you have to state this in product material 
to the customer? 

Regards, Doug 

RE: HALT testing

[Rick Busche]

It is my understanding that the primary use of HALT is to sort out
infant mortality of electronic devices and to identify potential
solder/pc deficiencies.

-Original Message-
From:   Jim Eichner [SMTP:jeich...@statpower.com]
Sent:   Tuesday, January 20, 1998 12:09 PM
To: emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:RE: HALT testing

Sounds like an interesting approach, but it sounds like it will
only
uncover those failure modes that are related to the product's
environment.  What about line voltage fluctuations, surges,
etc., or for
power supplies things like load cycling, load transients, etc.
Does
anyone know if there are established HALT procedures that
include these
sorts of things?  Thanks.

Regards,

Jim Eichner
Statpower Technologies Corporation
jeich...@statpower.com
http://www.statpower.com
The opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who
really
exists.  Honest.  



> -Original Message-
> From: MVA 850SS [SMTP:mva85...@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 5:45 PM
> To:   r...@itsqs.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
> Subject:  Re: HALT testing
> 
> HALT, Highly Accelerated Life Testing is a test-to-failure
approach to
> determine weak designs. You don't ever "pass" HALT, you just
reach a
> point of
> diminishing returns from a design cost/improvement ratio.
There are
> various
> parameters that change such as vibration, temperature and
humidity.
> All those
> change in a predetermined (or not) pseudo-random fashion. It
is an
> excellent
> approach to determine quickly what the likely warranty returns
will be
> or what
> the long term failures will be!

Telecommunications Vs. LV Directive

[Metse]

Your assistance if greatly appreciated (even if you can only answer some of
the questions):

I have a general question concerning the applicable Directive for equipment
originally classified as ITE here in the US (by an International Lab with NRTL
accreditation). 

(not a Telecom expert) The product has a T3 interface connection for the US,
and has an E3 connection for Europe... 

1. Are there any instances where a product with E3 connector is only LVD and
EMC, or is the Telecommunication Directive also mandatory?

2. Is Common Technical Requirement (CTR) 24 published and suitable for the EU,
or is some other country by country registration still needed?

3. Can anyone suggest a local (US) firm that can assist in this?

J. Burns (Engineer)

Telecommunication Terminal Equipment vs LVD

[Metse]

Your assistance if greatly appreciated (even if you can only answer some of
the questions):

I have a general question concerning the applicable Directive for equipment
originally classified as ITE here in the US (by an International Lab with NRTL
accreditation). 

(not a Telecom expert) The product has a T3 interface connection for the US,
and has an E3 connection for Europe... 

1. Are there any instances where a product with E3 connector is only LVD and
EMC, or is the Telecommunication Directive also mandatory?

2. Is Common Technical Requirement (CTR) 24 published and suitable for the EU,
or is some other country by country registration still needed?

3. Can anyone suggest a local (US) firm that can assist in this?

J. Burns (Engineer)

Compliance Mgmt. for OEM's, Turnkey, Joint Ventures, etc.

[collinjj]

 Good Day All,
 
 Can anyone share any of their experiences with managing their 
 suppliers for regulatory compliance.  As many of us are using
 OEM's, Turkeys, and Alternate Mfg Sites (usually out of the country) 
 it can become quite hectic to ensure that all applicable requirements 
 are being met. I will list some of the major issues we are facing. Any 
 information on how you've dealt with this or any good/bad experiences 
 would be appreciated. My intent is to define a clear Regulatory 
 Compliance Mission Statement for our suppliers that can be adopted 
 company wide.
 
 
 1) Validation of compliance from your supplier; do you accept self 
 certification or data from a NRTL?
 
 2) With an OEM, who takes responsibility for future changes / 
 modifications to the product or the standards?
 
 3) With an OEM's DOC and other documents, who maintains responsibility 
 for it's accuracy, availability, and location.
 
 4) Alternate Mfg Sites: If you have your products completely 
 manufactured by someone else, what controls have you 
 implemented to ensure compliance, tracability, and quality. 
 Has anyone had their products manufactured by a company that's out of 
 the USA? Please elaborate on the details of this.
 
 5) If you OEM a project and put your company's logo on it, do you 
 re-certify it or use the original manufacturer's data?.
 
 6) If your OEM or supplier is based out of the USA, are they 
 charging you to meet the USA requirements? i.e. (UL, FCC, FDA, etc.) 
 
 7) If an OEM is retested and found to be non-compliant, how willing 
  have they been to resolve the issue and at who's expense? 
 Particularly if they are passing a European standard but not a USA 
 standard.
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Jeff Collins  Sr.EMC/Safety Engineer
 
 Perkin-Elmer Applied Biosystems   colli...@perkin-elmer.com

RE: HALT testing

[Jim Eichner]

Sounds like an interesting approach, but it sounds like it will only
uncover those failure modes that are related to the product's
environment.  What about line voltage fluctuations, surges, etc., or for
power supplies things like load cycling, load transients, etc.  Does
anyone know if there are established HALT procedures that include these
sorts of things?  Thanks.

Regards,

Jim Eichner
Statpower Technologies Corporation
jeich...@statpower.com
http://www.statpower.com
The opinions expressed are those of my invisible friend, who really
exists.  Honest.  



> -Original Message-
> From: MVA 850SS [SMTP:mva85...@aol.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 19, 1998 5:45 PM
> To:   r...@itsqs.com; emc-p...@ieee.org
> Subject:  Re: HALT testing
> 
> HALT, Highly Accelerated Life Testing is a test-to-failure approach to
> determine weak designs. You don't ever "pass" HALT, you just reach a
> point of
> diminishing returns from a design cost/improvement ratio. There are
> various
> parameters that change such as vibration, temperature and humidity.
> All those
> change in a predetermined (or not) pseudo-random fashion. It is an
> excellent
> approach to determine quickly what the likely warranty returns will be
> or what
> the long term failures will be!

Compliance Mgmt. for OEM's, Turnkey, Joint Ventures, etc.

[collinjj]

 Good Day All,
 
 Can anyone share any of their experiences with managing their 
 suppliers for regulatory compliance.  As many of us are using
 OEM's, Turkeys, and Alternate Mfg Sites (usually out of the country) 
 it can become quite hectic to ensure that all applicable requirements 
 are being met. I will list some of the major issues we are facing. Any 
 information on how you've dealt with this or any good/bad experiences 
 would be appreciated. My intent is to define a clear Regulatory 
 Compliance Mission Statement for our suppliers that can be adopted 
 company wide.
 
 
 1) Validation of compliance from your supplier; do you accept self 
 certification or data from a NRTL?
 
 2) With an OEM, who takes responsibility for future changes / 
 modifications to the product or the standards?
 
 3) With an OEM's DOC and other documents, who maintains responsibility 
 for it's accuracy, availability, and location.
 
 4) Alternate Mfg Sites: If you have your products completely 
 manufactured by someone else, what controls have you 
 implemented to ensure compliance, tracability, and quality. 
 Has anyone had their products manufactured by a company that's out of 
 the USA? Please elaborate on the details of this.
 
 5) If you OEM a project and put your company's logo on it, do you 
 re-certify it or use the original manufacturer's data?.
 
 6) If your OEM or supplier is based out of the USA, are they 
 charging you to meet the USA requirements? i.e. (UL, FCC, FDA, etc.) 
 
 7) If an OEM is retested and found to be non-compliant, how willing 
  have they been to resolve the issue and at who's expense? 
 Particularly if they are passing a European standard but not a USA 
 standard.
 
 
 Best Regards,
 
 Jeff Collins  Sr.EMC/Safety Engineer
 
 Perkin-Elmer Applied Biosystems   colli...@perkin-elmer.com

email address change

[mohr]

Please change my email address FROM:

m...@ix.netcom.com

TO:

jem...@hotmail.com

Thank you!

NSA tests services

[Benoit Nadeau]

Bonjour de Montreal,

I am presently looking for an outside test laboratory that is capable of
performing a Normalized Site Attenuation test according to the latest
version of CISPR22, ANSI C63.4 and the 1997 edition of the VCCI
requirements (with a 80 MHz tuned dipole from 30 to 80 MHz).

We have two sites to qualify, a 3 meters (5 meters height) semi-anechoic
chamber and an all-weather 10 meters Open Area Test Site. Matrox is located
in Dorval (Quebec) Canada on the Montreal island (5 Km north of Dorval
airport).

Can anybody can guide me to providers of that type of services or share
some experiences (good or bad).

Thank you in advance,






--
Benoit Nadeau, ing. M.ing. (P.eng., M.eng)
Gerant du Groupe Conformite (Conformity Group Manager)
Matrox 
--

1055, boul. St-Regis
Dorval (Quebec) Canada
H9P 2T4

Tel : (514) 969-6000 (x2475)
FAX : (514) 969-6275
Internet : bnad...@matrox.com, 

seisic certification

[Eric Henning]

Greetings all,

Something new for me, hoping you californians or others who have had to 
meet seismic requirements can point me in the right direction.

I need to have seismic and wind load analysis done on some flow 
measurement equipment to be installed in LA County.  Analysis has to be done 
by a Civil or Structural Engineer registered by the State of Calif.

Calculations and drawings must then be submitted to the District for approval.

Being on the east coast we don't have an engineer registered by CA.  I would 
assume there are Labs, consultants, agencies that can supply this type of 
service?  any suggestions?

this equipment will go inline with plant piping to measure flow,  mounted with 
flanges.

any suggestions greatly appreciated.

thanks

eric
henn...@fp.com

Antenna Correlation

[TDonnelly]

In ANSI C63.4 the required antenna is a half wave tuned dipole. There is an 
allowance that lets a broadband antenna be used provided the results can be 
correlated to the half wave tuned dipole. When performing radiated emissions 
testing to CFR 47, Part 15, using ANSI C63.4 the requirement is to height scan 
the receiving antenna from 1 to 4 meters. 

My question concerns the instance where vertical measurements are made at the 
lower frequencies (below 80 MHz). If the received antenna is height scanned 
from 1 to 4 meters at these lower frequencies the measured levels will not 
correlate to a half wave tuned dipole as the worst case vertical levels are 
typically found at lower antenna heights. It has been my experience that the 
height scan of the broadband antenna must be limited to the range that the half 
wave tuned dipole can be scanned over to demonstrate correlation.

I would like to have some discussion on this issue to get a feel for how this 
is being addressed by others.

Tom Donnelly
EMC Engineer
Lucent Technologies
tdonne...@lucent.com

Foreword looking Humour !

[Andy Griffin]

At a recent quiz show some where over the mid atlantic !

Question 1 - What is the size of San Jose State Hospital ?
Answer - it contains about fourwards

Question 2 - Which goes faster, an explorer or a blazer  ?
Answer - The explorer, its better at going Fordwards

Question 3 - In London, what is the size of Hammersmith election district ?
Answer  - about fourwards

Question 4 - What clubs do Golfs use on the 5th Te at St Andrews  ?
Answer - Fourwooods

Question 5 - What is the opposite to backwards ?
Answer - Forewards

Question 6 - What "Forewords" do you say to the EMC engineer who just
failed your equipment by .1dB when you know his measurement uncertainty is
+/-4dB ? [note :in one 'odd ball' config, one sample, at 3m with many
ambients around causing the signal level to change !"

Answer - "Got to be joking" 

Question 7 - What "Fourwords" do you say to a college who keeps going on
about a trivial minor point without input to the real issue ?

Answer - "Have a nice day"


Regards Andy Griffin
 

 EMiSoft Limited - Test and Assessment  
   Software Solutions

Uk Tel   +44 (0)468 188244
Uk Fax   +44 (0)1793 522214 
USA Tel/Fax  +408 356 1980
Emailagrif...@emisoft.co.uk
Web  http://www.emisoft.co.uk   
Hot Linkshttp://www.emisoft.co.uk/special/hotemc.htm

   We write software - we don't sell equipment
 

BAPT 223 ZV 5 (German Telecom Approval regulation and requirements)

[Bao Tran]

Happy New Year (Julian and Lunar)!!!

Please advise me where I can buy a copy of BAPT 223 ZV 5 in the US (for
a reasonable price).
Thanks you very much in advance!

Best regards,

Bao V. Tran
Product Line Manager
Regulatory and Product Safety
NORTEL/ MSL-100
bao.tran.tran...@nt.com
Phone: (972) 684 2152
Fax: (972) 684 1838

RE: List Of Countries in CB Scheme

[Mel Pedersen]

UL, BSI, or CSA would, I'm sure be happy to help, especially if you've done 
buisiness with them.  The operator at UL would be able to direct your call.  
They may even help you obtain the different national deviations to IEC 950.

Hope this helps, 

Mel Pedersen  Midcom, Inc.
Homologations Engineer Phone:  (605) 882-8535
mpeder...@midcom.anza.com  Fax:  (605) 886-6752


--
From:   Michael Cusanelli[SMTP:m...@phihongusa.com]
Sent:   Monday, January 19, 1998 6:19 PM
To: emc- pstc
Subject:List Of Countries in CB Scheme




Does anyone know where I can get a lisiting of all the countires who are
part of the CB Scheme for IEC950?

Regards,

Michael Cusanelli
Phihong USA

List of countries in the CB Scheme

[Peter E. Perkins]

PSNet

The most definitive way to get the list of countries that are
accepted into the CB Scheme is to subscribe to the CB  Bulletin OC.  This
may be ordered thru your National Certification Body else subscribe
directly thru the IEC office in Geneva.  

- - - - -

Peter E Perkins
Principal Product Safety Consultant
Tigard, ORe  97281-3427

+1/503/452-1201 phone/fax

p.perk...@ieee.org  email

visit our website:

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/peperkins

- - - - -

Re: HALT testing

[MVA 850SS]

HALT, Highly Accelerated Life Testing is a test-to-failure approach to
determine weak designs. You don't ever "pass" HALT, you just reach a point of
diminishing returns from a design cost/improvement ratio. There are various
parameters that change such as vibration, temperature and humidity. All those
change in a predetermined (or not) pseudo-random fashion. It is an excellent
approach to determine quickly what the likely warranty returns will be or what
the long term failures will be!

Re: List Of Countries in CB Scheme

[Art Michael]

Hello Michael

The best source of information is the "CB Bulletin", a subscription
publication which costs less than US$100.00 per year.  It can be ordered
from ANSI (in the US) or IEC (in Geneva).  Beyond that, try the CB Scheme
website at: 

http://www.cbscheme.org

where you will find a tabulation of participating countries.  The CB
Scheme currently has 34 countries participating in one (or more)
product categories.  

(or go to the Safety Link (http://www.safetylink.com) where you will find
the CB Scheme link and 400 others)  

Regards, Art Michael

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On Mon, 19 Jan 1998, Michael Cusanelli wrote:

> 
> 
> 
> Does anyone know where I can get a lisiting of all the countires who are
> part of the CB Scheme for IEC950?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael Cusanelli
> Phihong USA
> 
> 

List Of Countries in CB Scheme

[Michael Cusanelli]

Does anyone know where I can get a lisiting of all the countires who are
part of the CB Scheme for IEC950?

Regards,

Michael Cusanelli
Phihong USA