RE: New Immunity/ESD Specs.

[Joshua Wiseman]

John,
 
EN 55024 has a DOW of 07/01/01. This replaces EN 50082-1 for ITE equipment.
Other than that I know there are some updates for the 61000-4 series, but
not sure if ESD is one of them.
 
Josh

-Original Message-
From: John Juhasz [mailto:jjuh...@fiberoptions.com]
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:49 PM
To: 'emc-p...@ieee.org'
Subject: New Immunity/ESD Specs.



Hello all . . . 

A 3rd party statement was made to me today about 'new' immunity
specifications for ITE. More specifically 
for ESD. 
I am currently using EN 50082-1:1997 for the immunity series, my ESD being
EN 61000-4-2:1995. 
Is there anything newer going to be introduced any time soon? 

Thanks 

John Juhasz 
Fiber Options 
Bohemia, NY 

Regulatory Information

[Luiz Claudio]

Dear colleagues,

My company's products are under the EN60335-1 (household appliance safety
requirements). Since some countries have particular deviations from this
standard, I am trying to gather  information about these deviations in a
single file. I would be very grateful if someone could send me any
information concerning this subject particularly in the following countries:

Australia
Hong Kong
Korea
Philippines
Saudi Arabia
Singapore
Taiwan
Thailand

I would also appreciate receiving information about:

Voltage max/min limits
Frequency
Product Safety Certification Schemes
Energy Efficiency Requirements (labeling / targets)
EMC Requirements
Environmental Requirements

Any single note will be highly appreciated.

Regards,

Luiz



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Re: New Immunity/ESD Specs.

[David Gelfand]

New Immunity/ESD Specs.John,

EN 55024 for ITE replaced EN 50082-1, EN 61000-4-2 replaced IEC 803-2 calling 
also contact discharge.  This is not "new", if there is anything else I would 
like to know!  It has been my experience that those beloved "third party 
requests" often ask for specs that have been superceded.  I would imagine I am 
not alone...

Best regards,

David

David Gelfand 
Regulatory Approvals
Memotec Communications Inc.

New Immunity/ESD Specs.

[John Juhasz]

Hello all . . . 

A 3rd party statement was made to me today about 'new' immunity
specifications for ITE. More specifically
for ESD. 
I am currently using EN 50082-1:1997 for the immunity series, my ESD being
EN 61000-4-2:1995. 
Is there anything newer going to be introduced any time soon?

Thanks

John Juhasz
Fiber Options
Bohemia, NY

Re: [Fwd: Energy Hazard Graphical warning Symbol]

[Ron Pickard]

Hi Andrew,

There are three(3) that I could find and they all come out of ISO documents.

ISO 3864, symbol B.3.6 - Caution, risk of electric shock
ISO 7000, symbol 0085 - Hazard warning
ISO 7000, symbol 0232 - Electric energy

Maybe a combination of symbols might be appropriate. IMHO, as I do not know of 
the application in
mind, the above references may or may not be suitable for the intended 
application. To be confident,
consult with your certifying agency.

However, both of the above referenced standards are, in fact, normative 
references (Annex P) of the
IEC 60950 series of standards (both 2nd & 3rd editions).

I hope this helps.

Best regards,

Ron Pickard
rpick...@hypercom.com






 
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Re: UL1950 vs EN60950

[Tania Grant]

Amund,

To add to Peter's message why you need to purchase one or both of these 
standards:

1.)  UL1950 (now UL60950) is based on IEC 60950 and, while identical to the IEC 
document, also specifies mandatory requirements to meet the U.S. and the 
Canadian National Electrical Codes.   These NEC requirements may, in certain 
cases, disagree with the IEC requirements.   

2.)  EN 60950 is identical to the IEC 60950, however, it also specifies EC 
member country deviations which the IEC document does not address.

Thus, if you are shipping to European EC countries, you need the EN document.   
If you are shipping in North America and world-wide, you should be able to get 
by with just the UL standard, since it follows the IEC document faithfully and 
shows deviations and/or additions by crossing out requirements where not 
applicable and inserting new requirements shown underlined.   

However, since the UL document is based on the IEC document, I prefer to order 
the IEC latest edition as soon as it is released to get a heads-up knowledge of 
how the new requirements might/will affect our domestic market.   UL will then 
shortly up-date their standard to reflect the new requirements.

Now you find that you bought all three standards!!!

Tania Grant
taniagr...@msn.com

- Original Message -
From: Peter Tarver
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 11:14 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: UL1950 vs EN60950



Amund -

For the most part, installation code issues, component
standard issues, power cross (overvoltage) testing and a
number of other items sprinkled throughout the standard.
You will need to buy a copy of the standard to get the full
picture.  It is not simple enough to place in an e-mail.

Regards,

Peter L. Tarver, PE
Product Safety Manager
Sanmina Homologation Services
peter.tar...@sanmina.com

> -Original Message-
> From: am...@westin.org
> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 1:48 AM
> Safety folks,
>
> What are the major differences between UL1950 and
> EN60950 ?
>
> Best regards
> Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway


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RE: ITE Laser Markings

[Colgan, Chris]

According to EN60825, for a Class I product all you need is the label
stating "Class I laser product" unless the product is too small to bear the
label in which case you can put in the user manual.  The word "warning"
isn't necessary.  The label doesn't have to be black on yellow either.

Regards

Chris Colgan
Compliance Engineer
TAG McLaren Audio Ltd
The Summit, Latham Road
Huntingdon, Cambs, PE29 6ZU
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> -Original Message-
> From: Gorodetsky, Vitaly [SMTP:vgorodet...@canoga.com]
> Sent: 30 April 2001 16:54
> To:   'John Woodgate'; Peter Merguerian
> Cc:   'mike harris'; emc-p...@ieee.org
> Subject:  RE: ITE Laser Markings
> 
> 
> These are all fine.  However, I could not find a requirement for adding to
> neither the label nor "the statement in the information for the user"  for
> Class 1 Laser Product the word "Warning, Waarschuwing, etc."   In fact,
> "Caution" is recommended for radiation in excess of the AEL for Class 1.
> Warning is a very strong safety term and I would not advise to use it
> unless
> it is required.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Vitaly  Gorodetsky
> Compliance Engineer   Direct: (818) 678-3840
> Canoga Perkins Corp.  Main:   (818) 718-6300
> 20600 Prairie Street  FAX:(818) 678-3740
> Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008 e-mail:
> vgorodet...@canoga.com 
> 
> The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the
> reader
> 
> 
>   -Original Message-
>   From:   John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
>   Sent:   Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:56 AM
>   To: Peter Merguerian
>   Cc: 'mike harris'; emc-p...@ieee.org
>   Subject:Re: ITE Laser Markings
> 
> 
>   
> <2d1037012914d4118db8204c4f4f502026b...@itlltd01.barakitc.co.il>, Peter
>   Merguerian  wrote:
>   >Warning Class 1 laser product.
>   English
>   > 
>   >Waarschuwing   Klasse-1 laser produkt.
>   Dutch
>   >
>   >Varoitus   Luokan 1 lasertuote.
>   Finnish
>   >
>   >Attention   Produit laser de classe 1.
>   French
>   >
>   >Warnung   Laserprodukt der Klasse 1.
>   German
>   >
>   >Avvertenza   Prodotto laser di Classe 1.
>   Italian
>   >
>   >Advarsel   Laserprodukt av klasse 1.
>   Norwegian
>   >
>   >Aviso   Produto laser de classe 1.
>   Portuguese
>   >
>   >Advertencia!   Producto láser Clase I.
>   Spanish
>   >
>   >Varning!   Laserprodukt av klass 1.
>   Swedish.
> 
>   I don't see Danish or Greek there. The Danish may be nearly
> identical
>   with the Norwegian or Swedish.
>   -- 
>   Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44
> (0)1268 747839
>   Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not
> call a vertically-
>   applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar
> chernozem-penetrating and 
>   excavating implement a SPADE?
> 
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RE: ITE Laser Markings

[Gorodetsky, Vitaly]

These are all fine.  However, I could not find a requirement for adding to
neither the label nor "the statement in the information for the user"  for
Class 1 Laser Product the word "Warning, Waarschuwing, etc."   In fact,
"Caution" is recommended for radiation in excess of the AEL for Class 1.
Warning is a very strong safety term and I would not advise to use it unless
it is required.

Best Regards,
Vitaly  Gorodetsky
Compliance Engineer Direct: (818) 678-3840
Canoga Perkins Corp.Main:   (818) 718-6300
20600 Prairie StreetFAX:(818) 678-3740
Chatsworth, CA 91311-6008   e-mail:
vgorodet...@canoga.com   

The suitability of this information for making decision is solely with the
reader


-Original Message-
From:   John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent:   Sunday, April 29, 2001 11:56 AM
To: Peter Merguerian
Cc: 'mike harris'; emc-p...@ieee.org
Subject:Re: ITE Laser Markings



<2d1037012914d4118db8204c4f4f502026b...@itlltd01.barakitc.co.il>, Peter
Merguerian  wrote:
>Warning Class 1 laser product.
English
> 
>Waarschuwing   Klasse-1 laser produkt.
Dutch
>
>Varoitus   Luokan 1 lasertuote.
Finnish
>
>Attention   Produit laser de classe 1.
French
>
>Warnung   Laserprodukt der Klasse 1.
German
>
>Avvertenza   Prodotto laser di Classe 1.
Italian
>
>Advarsel   Laserprodukt av klasse 1.
Norwegian
>
>Aviso   Produto laser de classe 1.
Portuguese
>
>Advertencia!   Producto láser Clase I.
Spanish
>
>Varning!   Laserprodukt av klass 1.
Swedish.

I don't see Danish or Greek there. The Danish may be nearly
identical
with the Norwegian or Swedish.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. Phone +44
(0)1268 747839
Fax +44 (0)1268 777124. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Why not
call a vertically-
applied manulo-pedally-operated quasi-planar
chernozem-penetrating and 
excavating implement a SPADE?

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RE: Medical Directive

[Dick Grobner]

With regards to your questions:
Mobile or not does not make a difference. We manufacturer diagnostic
equipment and use "off the shelf" PC's to do the number crunching. CE
marking on the PC has always been an issue with us. About two years ago I
did a PC search regarding CE marked equipment under the MDD - no such luck!
I contacted UL in Northbrook and asked the question if they have ever
evaluated a PC under UL2601 - no luck! What we have done is used a line
isolation transformer for the PC, opto-isolated the RS232 to eliminate any
ground loop currents. Test the combination per 60601-1-1. We also assure
that the PC's, monitors and printers we re-sell have CE (low voltage
directive) with our equipment being CE marked under the MDD.
CE marking under the MDD can become quite involved, depending on what you do
in your facility you may need to pursue quality certification by a Notified
Body (NB). If you already have an NB I would definitely contact them
regarding this issue, if you don't I would get one, at least to consult
with!
With regards to 60601-1-2, there is a second draft of this document. I have
a copy which I received from a colleague. If there is a web site for the
draft I'm not aware of the address. Perhaps one of the other forum members
knows of a site and will share with us!
We just tested one of our systems, with the recommendation of our NB we
added 61000-4-11 (voltage dips), 61000-3-2 (harmonics), 61000-3-3 (flicker).
This addresses some of the changes (additions) coming with 60601-1-2. With
regards to EN 55011, we tested group 1, class A. I'm not aware of the Sweden
and Germany requirement for class B.
With regards to the "demo" equipment. You can distribute to Europe without
CE marking, however the unit needs to be clearly labeled as "Demo Use Only"
(or similar) and must be used only by your people or your authorized
representative / distributor. They must be made aware of any potential harm
that may be imposed upon the patient, operator or bystander or the
environment (EMI/RFI, landfill waste, etc.). You are still held responsible
for your equipment!
I hope this sheds some light on your issues, & good luck!
  



-Original Message-
From: Binnom, Cyril A [mailto:binno...@ems-t.com]
Sent: Friday, April 27, 2001 9:46 AM
To: emc-pstc
Subject: Medical Directive



Group:

I am attempting to send ITE equipment to the European Union, and the unit
will be used in a hospital environment. I have no problem testing to the
Medical or EMC Directive,  whichever is applicable, but I am in need of some
clarification

My questions are:

*   I have been told that if the unit is mobile, (which it is) then the
Medical Directive applies. There is no patient interface but it will be in a
hospital environment.
*   Will EN 60601-1-2 (Medical Immunity) be upgraded in the near future
as I do not want to test to the current standard and have to go back in a
year or two and retest the unit, and if so is there a proposed standard for
review.
*   Does the unit under EN 55011 have to be tested to Class B or Class A
limits for hospital use. I have been told that in Sweden and Germany, Class
B is mandatory.
*   A demo has been requested A.S.A.P. Does the demo have to be CE mark,
(it will not be sold) or is there room or a  clause that allows this one
unit to be shipped to the EU while compliance is being completed. I am under
the assumption, that the demo will be used in the hospital during this time.

Regards,

Cyril A. Binnom Jr.
EMI/EMC Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3240
(770) 447-6928 Fax
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RE: Medical Directive

[Jim Conrad]

I don't think my first reply went out.  This a second try.  Sorry Cyril.

Best regards,

Jim


Cyril, Please see my answers to your questions below:

 -Original Message-
From:   owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]  On Behalf
Of Binnom, Cyril A
Sent:   Friday, April 27, 2001 7:46 AM
To: emc-pstc
Subject:Medical Directive


Group:

I am attempting to send ITE equipment to the European Union, and the unit
will be used in a hospital environment. I have no problem testing to the
Medical or EMC Directive,  whichever is applicable, but I am in need of some
clarification

My questions are:

*   I have been told that if the unit is mobile, (which it is) then the
Medical Directive applies. There is no patient interface but it will be in a
hospital environment.

I your device does not have a PATIENT APPLIED PART, you do not have medical
electrical equipment and do not have to comply with 60601-1.  However, you
must ensure that it does not get used in the PATIENT vicinity, i.e. within
1.5 meters of the patient (see Figure 201 in IEC 60601-1-1)  You may have a
Medical System if this device attaches to Medical Electrical Equipment in
which case IEC 60601-1-1 will apply.  The software should comply with
60601-1-4.

*   Will EN 60601-1-2 (EMC) be upgraded in the near future
as I do not want to test to the current standard and have to go back in a
year or two and retest the unit, and if so is there a proposed standard for
review.

IEC 60601-1-2: Second edition will be published in July.  Completely new.
Uses 61000-4-XX for immunity.  New test levels.  Harmonics requirements.
Exclusion for ITE, etc.

*   Does the unit under EN 55011 have to be tested to Class B or Class A
limits for hospital use. I have been told that in Sweden and Germany, Class
B is mandatory.

The hospital environment is considered Class A.  Sweden has finally agreed.
Germany has always accepted Class A in the Hospital.  Check clause 4 of
CISPR 11.


*   A demo has been requested A.S.A.P. Does the demo have to be CE mark,
(it will not be sold) or is there room or a  clause that allows this one
unit to be shipped to the EU while compliance is being completed. I am under
the assumption, that the demo will be used in the hospital during this time.

You MUST have the CE mark if you plan to show it in an EU country.

Best regards,

Jim

Regards,

Cyril A. Binnom Jr.
EMI/EMC Approvals Engineer
LXE, Inc.
(770) 447-4224 Ext. 3240
(770) 447-6928 Fax
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[Fwd: Energy Hazard Graphical warning Symbol]

[Andrew Carson]

If anyone could help with this, it would be most appreciated.

--

Andrew Carson - Product Safety Engineer
Xyratex Engineering Laboratory
Tele 023 92496855 Fax 023 92496014

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Is there a graphical symbol that indicates an energy Hazard, (>240VA) ?

Thanks
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Industrial Surge Test Levels

[Bouse, John]

Hello All, 


For "industrial locations",  EN 61326  specifies Surge test levels of  1 kV
line-to-line
and  2 kV line-to-ground.

For the same "industrial environment" (defined as Type 2),  EN 50270
specifies Surge test 
levels of  2 kV line-to-line (differential mode)  and  4 kV line-to-ground
(common mode).

I'd like to find out  

(1)  why is there a difference in the Surge levels  (could it possibly be
because EN 50270 
also applies to apparatus for use in hazardous areas?)

and 

(2)  if there is a commercially available AC-to-DC power supply  [an AC
adapter style, 
230 VAC to 12 VDC at 2 Amps]  that could handle the Surge defined in EN
50270.


Thanks in advance for any information.  If desired,  responses to this
question may be 
forwarded directly to my attention at:
john.bo...@perkinelmer.com

Best regards,
John Bouse
PerkinElmer Instruments


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