RE: Ivory Coast ITE Compliance Requirements

2001-12-10 Thread Bandele Adepoju

Hello Collins,

Meeting the IEC standards applicable to your product should 
get you into the Ivory Coast.

To be sure, get ARSO (Africa Regional Organization for 
Standardization) approval.  You would probably need to get 
approval thru an NSB (National Standards Body) of a member 
country (The Ivory Coast is not one). Testing is based on the 
IEC standards. The mark itself consists of three circles 
(inner and outer) with the Africa map in the middle. It is 
usually affixed to the product with the mark of the approving
NSB. There is a Quality System to ISO9000 and surveillance 
program required.

The ARSO page is at:

http://www.arso-oran.org/English/Main_menu.htm

Regards,

Bandele 
Jetstream Communications, Inc.
badep...@jetstream.com




-Original Message-
From: Collins, Jeffrey [mailto:jcoll...@ciena.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2001 11:01 PM
To: 'emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org'
Subject: Ivory Coast ITE Compliance Requirements



Group,

Anyone familiar with Compliance requirements to deploy ITE 
into the Ivory
Coast? I've done some research and found that 
France, Nigeria, China, Italy, and Germany in that order are 
their biggest
import partners.
With France leading the way I would assume that meeting the NF ( French
Norms ) or CE
Mark requirements would suffice.

Thanks in advance,

Jeffrey Collins
Sr. HW Engineering Manager 
EMC/ NEBS/ Safety/ Reliability
CIENA  Core Switching Division
10480 Ridgeview Court, Cupertino, CA. 95014
(408) 366-4806, Fax (408) 366-4866
jcoll...@ciena.com
http://www.ciena.com


 



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IPC TM-650

2001-12-10 Thread Leslie Bai

Is there anybody in this group who knows what is IPC
TM-650? Where can we get a copy of this Test Method (I
thought TM stands for Test Method)?

Thanks,
Leslie

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Re: BSMI (Taiwan) or MIC (Korea)

2001-12-10 Thread John Woodgate

I read in !emc-pstc that Jennifer Banh jb...@bb-elec.com wrote (in
ndbblhfjolohjickdldooeliclaa.jb...@bb-elec.com) about 'BSMI (Taiwan)
or MIC (Korea)', on Mon, 10 Dec 2001:
I have been asked to give a cost/feasability analysis on testing to BSMI
(Taiwan) and/or MIC (Korea) for a product we currently test to EN 50082-1
(with only 61000-4-2, -3, -4, and -6 applying)for CE marking purposes.  What
I want to know is if the tests for BSMI and MIC are similar, and any other
requirements like if you have to test in the country or something.

We can't advise you with confidence without knowing what the product is.
It must be something unusual if you have to apply the Generic Standard.

What about 61000-3-2 and -3?
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk 
After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. 

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RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.

2001-12-10 Thread Price, Ed

Ken and I have been talking this over off-line, and it seems like an
important thing to note is that the HP / Agilent spectrum analyzers tune
over a measurement range by continuously sweeping their local oscillator.
Setting a resolution bandwidth and a span width does not mean that the
analyzer will tune in discreet hops. Even under external HP software
control, the analyzer firmware still does (perhaps a series of) analog
sweeps.

OTOH, if you use your own software, specify a resolution bandwidth, and then
send a series of tune, measure, tune,... commands, then you can miss
emissions between the skirts of the passbands if your step size is too
large.

You have to understand how your receiver or analyzer actually covers a
frequency range.

Regards,

Ed


Ed Price
ed.pr...@cubic.com
Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab
Cubic Defense Systems
San Diego, CA  USA
858-505-2780  (Voice)
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Military  Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty
Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis


-Original Message-
From: HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:ken_h...@hp.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:38 AM
To: 'Pettit, Ghery'; HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1); 'John Woodgate';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



Hello Gary and all,

The point is do an experiment with your Stepping receiver.

Ken 

-Original Message-
From: Pettit, Ghery [mailto:ghery.pet...@intel.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:36 AM
To: 'HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)'; 'John Woodgate';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.


Ken,

A spectrum analyzer sweeps through a range of frequencies.  
The resolution
of the display merely impacts the accuracy of the frequency 
determination
for a signal when digitized and sent to a computer over the 
bus.  Each point
on the display simply shows the highest level obtained in the 
range covered
by that point.  This is different than step tuning a receiver.

Or am I missing something?

Ghery Pettit
Intel

-Original Message-
From: HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:ken_h...@hp.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:09 AM
To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



Hello all,

We typically measure in 500 MHz spans, our spectrum analyzer 
has 400 bits so
1.25 MHz/bit. Concerned that we could miss an emission I 
perfromed the below
experiment, try it:

Injected a 2950 MHz signal into EMI Receiver, set for 1MHz 
RBW, and measured
it using diffrent Spans

3 000 MHz 67 dBuV signal, 400 bits 1 MHz RBW   
Span [MHz] Amplitude   Step/bit [MHz]
10 66  0.025
50067  1.25
1000   67  2.5
2000   67  5
3000   66  7.5
4000   67  10
6000   67  15

What we see is even with the step size 15 times the RBW the 
signal is not
lost.

Regards,

Ken Hall

 

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:16 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote
(in 
20011206195802.LCFL6698.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27])
about 'Stepping receiver, step sizes.', on Thu, 6 Dec 2001:
Keeping the step size to one-half the measurement bandwidth 
is an accepted
way of assuring that all possible signals are captured.  
Using a step size
equal to a measurement bandwidth is not quite as good but reasonable.

In the context of 8, 20 or 80 kHz steps to cover 4 GHz, I think
reasonableness wins. One would be extraordinarily unlucky to lose a
significant signal under those conditions.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. 
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. 


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RE: ETS 300 440 Status

2001-12-10 Thread richwoods

EN 300 440-3 has not been published in the OJ.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


-Original Message-
From: Kevin Harris [mailto:harr...@dscltd.com]
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 10:36 AM
To: 'EMC-PSTC (E-mail)'
Subject: ETS 300 440 Status



I got just a little hasty with the send button with my last message. The
original email should have said I was looking in the OJ for the RTTE
directive





Hello Group,

I was just looking at the http://europa.eu.int  site and looking at their
(somewhat dated) version of the OJ. I noticed there was no variant of ETS
300 440 listed. Is this still the case? If it is, does anybody have some
information as to it's status. Finally is there a better place to see up to
date OJ information?


Best Regards,

Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls
3301 Langstaff Road
Concord, Ontario
CANADA
L4K 4L2

Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378
Fax +1 905 760 3020

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Re: Korean EMC Requirements

2001-12-10 Thread Chun Kim
Hi Randy,

The official government sites are as follows:
RRL (Radio Research Laboratory) - www.rrl.go.kr
MIC (Ministry of Information and Communication) - www.mic.go.kr

They do not have a great deal of information in English. Depending on what 
specifically you are looking for (general overview, EMC standards, etc), you 
can also reference our newsletter site 
http://www.approvalspecialists.com/news.html.

We have several recent articles pertaining to new immunity requirements for 
2002 and other recent developments in the Korean regulatory environment. We 
also have a few articles from early 2001, reviewing the EMC standards in detail 
and a guide/overview of Korean approvals.

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact off-line.

Best Regards,
Chun Kim
The Approval Specialists
  - Original Message - 
  From: Flinders, Randall 
  To: Emc-Pstc (E-mail) 
  Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 9:11 AM
  Subject: Korean EMC Requirements


  Hello EMC Gurus!

  Could anyone please direct me to some good web information resources 
pertaining to EMC Certification of ITE products in Korea?

  Thanks!

  Randy Flinders
  Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineer

  Emulex Corporation - We Network Storage   
  3535 Harbor Blvd.
  Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626

  Direct:  (714) 513-8012 
  Fax: (714) 513-8265 
  Email:   randall.flind...@emulex.com
  Web: http://www.emulex.com   

   
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RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.

2001-12-10 Thread HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)

Hello Ed,

With the  signal @2955 MHz (CF2950MHz)I get similar results. In all Spans I
get approximately 65 dBuV which is 10 to 20 dB above noise floor.

Regards,

Ken Hall

-Original Message-
From: Price, Ed [mailto:ed.pr...@cubic.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 10:25 AM
To: 'HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1)'; 'John Woodgate';
emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



Ken:

Did you do your test by first setting the receiver to the 2950 MHz signal,
and then setting up a symmetrical scan from that reference?

For example, if I used a spectrum analyzer to look at 2950 MHz, by setting
the CENTER FREQUENCY, and then selected a FREQUENCY SPAN of 4000 MHz with a
RESOLUTION BANDWIDTH of 10 MHz, the SA would start its scan at 950 MHz and
end at 4950 MHz. The 2950 MHz would be the mid-point sample frequency.
Regardless of what SPAN and BANDWIDTH I might choose, the mid-point will
always stay the same and always be measured. 100 % probability.

Try setting the signal generator to 2955 MHz. Then scan from 2900 MHz to
3000 MHz, using a resolution bandwidth of 1 MHz.

BTW, my 8571A system uses an 8566B SA, and that analyzer actually uses an
analog swept oscillator. But under software control, it will obey the
software requests to look only at the directed frequency with a view of only
the selected resolution bandwidth. In the above example, it would see 2949.5
MHz to 2950.5 MHz (3 dB down points), then next see 2959.5 MHz to 2960.5
MHz. Signals between 2950.5 MHz and 2959.5 MHz would be seen anywhere from 3
dB too low to completely missed in the SA noise.

Regards,

Ed


Ed Price
ed.pr...@cubic.com
Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab
Cubic Defense Systems
San Diego, CA  USA
858-505-2780  (Voice)
858-505-1583  (Fax)
Military  Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty
Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis


-Original Message-
From: HALL,KEN (HP-Roseville,ex1) [mailto:ken_h...@hp.com]
Sent: Friday, December 07, 2001 8:09 AM
To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: RE: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



Hello all,

We typically measure in 500 MHz spans, our spectrum analyzer 
has 400 bits so
1.25 MHz/bit. Concerned that we could miss an emission I 
perfromed the below
experiment, try it:

Injected a 2950 MHz signal into EMI Receiver, set for 1MHz 
RBW, and measured
it using diffrent Spans

3 000 MHz 67 dBuV signal, 400 bits 1 MHz RBW   
Span [MHz] Amplitude   Step/bit [MHz]
10 66  0.025
50067  1.25
1000   67  2.5
2000   67  5
3000   66  7.5
4000   67  10
6000   67  15

What we see is even with the step size 15 times the RBW the 
signal is not
lost.

Regards,

Ken Hall

 

-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk]
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 2:16 PM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: Re: Stepping receiver, step sizes.



I read in !emc-pstc that Ken Javor ken.ja...@emccompliance.com wrote
(in 
20011206195802.LCFL6698.femail7.sdc1.sfba.home.com@[65.11.150.27])
about 'Stepping receiver, step sizes.', on Thu, 6 Dec 2001:
Keeping the step size to one-half the measurement bandwidth 
is an accepted
way of assuring that all possible signals are captured.  
Using a step size
equal to a measurement bandwidth is not quite as good but reasonable.

In the context of 8, 20 or 80 kHz steps to cover 4 GHz, I think
reasonableness wins. One would be extraordinarily unlucky to lose a
significant signal under those conditions.
-- 
Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. 
http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk

After swimming across the Hellespont, I felt like a Hero. 

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Korean EMC Requirements

2001-12-10 Thread Flinders, Randall
Hello EMC Gurus!
 
Could anyone please direct me to some good web information resources
pertaining to EMC Certification of ITE products in Korea?
 
Thanks!
 
Randy Flinders
Electromagnetic Compatibility Engineer
 
Emulex Corporation - We Network Storage   
3535 Harbor Blvd.
Costa Mesa, Ca. 92626
 
Direct:  (714) 513-8012 
Fax: (714) 513-8265 
Email:   randall.flind...@emulex.com mailto:randall.flind...@emulex.com 
Web:  http://www.emulex.com http://www.emulex.com/
 
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BSMI (Taiwan) or MIC (Korea)

2001-12-10 Thread Jennifer Banh

Hello everyone,
I have been asked to give a cost/feasability analysis on testing to BSMI
(Taiwan) and/or MIC (Korea) for a product we currently test to EN 50082-1
(with only 61000-4-2, -3, -4, and -6 applying)for CE marking purposes.  What
I want to know is if the tests for BSMI and MIC are similar, and any other
requirements like if you have to test in the country or something.

Thanks for your help,
Jennifer Banh

Electrical Engineer
BB Electronics Mfg. Co.


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RE: EMI guard bands

2001-12-10 Thread Jim Conrad

Cecil,

We design our products for -10 dB limit,  accept -8 dB for a lab prototype
 pre-production) and allow -6 dB for production units.  We feel this is not
conservative based on past history of measurement uncertainty and production
variations.

Jim

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From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
[mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of
cecil.gitt...@kodak.com
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2001 7:46 AM
To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org
Subject: EMI guard bands


From: Cecil A. Gittens

I am in the process of putting a document together for products that are
tested for  Radiated  Conducted Emissions
that should have a Guard-band of 6 dB for FCC or CISPR22 class A or B.
Does it depend if the product is class A or B?
Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions?

Thanks.


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ETS 300 440 Status

2001-12-10 Thread Kevin Harris

I got just a little hasty with the send button with my last message. The
original email should have said I was looking in the OJ for the RTTE
directive





Hello Group,

I was just looking at the http://europa.eu.int  site and looking at their
(somewhat dated) version of the OJ. I noticed there was no variant of ETS
300 440 listed. Is this still the case? If it is, does anybody have some
information as to it's status. Finally is there a better place to see up to
date OJ information?


Best Regards,

Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls
3301 Langstaff Road
Concord, Ontario
CANADA
L4K 4L2

Tel: +1 905 760 3000 Ext. 2378
Fax +1 905 760 3020

Email: harr...@dscltd.com
 

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ETS 300 440 Status

2001-12-10 Thread Kevin Harris

Hello Group,

I was just looking at the http://europa.eu.int  site and looking at their
(somewhat dated) version of the OJ. I noticed there was no variant of ETS
300 440 listed. Is this still the case? If it is, does anybody have some
information as to it's status. Finally is there a better place to see up to
date OJ information?


Best Regards,

Kevin Harris
Manager, Approval Services
Digital Security Controls
3301 Langstaff Road
Concord, Ontario
CANADA
L4K 4L2

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Australian RF lab

2001-12-10 Thread richwoods

I am seeking recommendations for an RF test lab in Australia that can
perform near field (30 cm) magnetic field measurements in the frequency
range of 2-8 MHz.

Richard Woods
Sensormatic Electronics
Tyco International


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EMI guard bands

2001-12-10 Thread cecil . gittens

From: Cecil A. Gittens

I am in the process of putting a document together for products that are
tested for  Radiated  Conducted Emissions
that should have a Guard-band of 6 dB for FCC or CISPR22 class A or B.
Does it depend if the product is class A or B?
Does anyone have any pointers or suggestions?

Thanks.


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