Re: NARTE questions
Brian, As the PSE Certification is new, I suspect it will take some time for it to become necessary in the job hunt. I can, however, speak for eight months of reading job boards (i.e. still looking for a job) that NARTE EMC Certification is becoming more and more mandatory in the job hunt. I've been turned down by at least two employers because I never took the time to get my EMC certification; their posting clearly said NARTE Certification required. So you figure it out. Regards, Scott Douglas NARTE Certified PSE Brian O'Connell wrote: Good People I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from NARTE. Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification as significant? Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? Thanks much for advice and opinion. R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc
NARTE questions
Good People I have downloaded the Product Safety Certification Application package from NARTE. Is this a certification that hiring managers recognize? Is it anticipated that managers and/or hiring speacilists will come to recognized this certification as significant? Also, is there any relationship between NARTE and the IECEE? Thanks much for advice and opinion. R/S, Brian O'Connell Taiyo Yuden (USA), Inc
NARTE's Product Safety Certification
FYI I just received notice of NARTE’s Product Safety Certification program. For details, see www.narte.org http://www.narte.org/ Ned Devine Entela, Inc. 3033 Madison Ave. SE Grand Rapids, MI 49548 Phone: 616 248 9671 Fax: 616 574 9752 e-mail: ndev...@entela.com www.entela.com This message is confidential and intended only for the individual to whom or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or addressee, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying, in whole or part, of this message is strictly prohibited. If you believe that you have been sent this message in error, please do not read it. Please immediately reply to sender that you have received this message in error. Then permanently delete all copies of the message. Thank you.
RE: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook
Hello Amund, Rather than looking at this from what is required, what about what makes sense? I wouldn't expect someone in Norway to be very pleased to only get documentation in Japanese or Chinese. The end-user would most likely be very dissatisfied and probably return the product. Companies need to make decisions on how they want their customers to understand their product. A good rule of thumb is to make sure that you know what the primary language is for a country and at least provide the appropriate information in that language. It's not only a regulatory issue but a Customer satisfaction issue as well. Best regards, Ron Wellman This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Class 1 AC/DC adapter
Raymond - Again, assuming 60950 applies to the power supply; also assuming that by 'power adaptor,' you mean an enclosed plug-in power supply unit: If the 'earthing plate' is not required for safety reasons and provides only a functional earth, whether for EMC or other purposes, the earthing continuity or impedances tests are not required. However, if the secondaries are earthed, even for functional reasons, the product would be required to meet either electric strength testing for Reinforced Insulation or the earthing impedance test on the production line. Since you have stated the 'earthing plate' can not comply with an electric strength testing for Reinforced Insulation, the earthing impedance test would be necessary. On the basis of practical testing, it is not necessary that this test be performed after the enclosure is sealed. You should be able to negotiate with the safety certification houses to allow the earthing impedance test to be performed with the power supply unsealed, between the earthing pin, if a direct plug-in or permanently connected power supply cord, and the point of earthing in the secondary. Regards, Peter L. Tarver, PE Product Safety Manager Homologation Services Sanmina-SCI Corp. San Jose, CA peter.tar...@sanmina-sci.com From: raymond...@omnisourceasia.com.hk Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2003 9:59 AM Dear CW Lai, Many thanks for your reply useful information. I still have some queries and look forward to your further explanation. 1. Earth continuity test As the class 1 is due to the additional earthing plate, how can I ignore the earth continuity test? Without this earthing plate, the unit is in fact a class 2 construction. Thus, I am a bit confused with such construction and should I follow the required safety tests for class 1 or class 2. I have another thought that actually, the earthing plate and the DC output plug earthing are functional earthing, not safety earthing, so electrical continuity test using multitester is sufficient and earth continuity test using low voltage and 25A current is not applicable. 2. Hi-pot test The unit passes the hi-pot test at 3,000Vac if the grounding plate and the bridging capacitor are removed. If only the bridging capacitor is removed, the test voltage goes upto about 2,100Vac max. I note that there is breakdown around the grounding plate and the pcd side of mains female connector at the max. voltage. It seems once the production of the converter is completed, proper earth continuity test and hipot test are unable to be done at IQC of receiving warehouse. Any suggestion to do some extend of safety test without destruction of the finished goods is appreciated. Thanks and regards, Raymond Li OSA This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
SV: Denmark AC outlets
Hi again No, the shown plug was a special EDB (Computer) plug which was introduced years ago. This plug is not at all mandatory. It is used where you wants to separate computers from being fed from same outlets as vacuumcleaners etc. which could generate electrical noise or other problems. Forget that you have seen this plug unless your are directly asked to deliver products with it. Normally a 3 plug mains outlet in DK is protected by a fault current protector, but for industrial use it is not always true. Office and home use have fault current protection ! Kim Boll Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af aiken Sendt: 24. oktober 2003 15:52 Til: richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Emne: Re: Denmark AC outlets Rich, The Shuko plug will not fit the special Danish grounded outlet. The Shuko pins are 4.8mm round pins and the special Danish grounded socket outlet will only accept the special Danish grounding type plug with unique (almost flat) pins. Here are some details I copied off the Feller web page. The top is the Danish plug, the bottom is the Shuko Rgds, Lou Aiken, LaMer LLC 27109 Palmetto Drive Orange Beach, AL 36561 USA tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 From: richwo...@tycoint.com To: emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 7:20 AM Subject: RE: Denmark AC outlets Kim, thanks for your input. Do I understand correctly that a 3-pin, earthing-type Danish outlet is fault-current protected such that if a Shuko plug is used and there is a mains to chassis fault, persons will be protected? Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International -Original Message- From: Kim Boll Jensen [mailto:k...@bolls.dk] Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 3:53 AM To: EMC PSTC Subject: SV: Denmark AC outlets Hi all I think I ought to comment this since I live in Denmark. The situation is not so simple. It depends on the installation location, industrial, commercial, wet-room, type of equipment etc. 1. The most widely used system is a non-grounded socket protected by a fault-current circuit (app. 30 mA). Here a Schuko type plug is preferred. This covers 90% of all commercial installations and 50% of all office installations. Therefore for in commercial use people have problems with the grounded Danish plug and will have to change it to an un-grounded type themselves. 2. New requirements for installations calls for installation of the Danish grounded socket every-where. Here a Schuko is not good. But this requirement is only for new building installation NOT a requirements for equipment at the moment. 3. For professional use (laboratories etc.) most installations can use grounded plugs. 4. Some product standards have national deviations which requires a warning on Schuko connector that the installation shall have a fault current circuit or a correct grounding plug shall be fitted. Best regards, Kim Boll Jensen Bolls Raadgivning Denmark -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]På vegne af aiken Sendt: 22. oktober 2003 21:13 Til: richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org; Ronald R. Wellman Emne: Re: Denmark AC outlets Ron, Thanks. Your note below is believable. I only added that comment because I know the special Danish grounding plug requires the special Danish grounded socket outlet. The Danish people I have dealt with preferred the Schuko plug because fits the ordinary socket outlets (grounded and ungrounded) installed throughout Denmark. I have also been told by Danish people that if a grounded socket outlet is required for a particular product, an ordinary grounding type socket outlet can be installed quicker than the special Danish socket - availability I guess. The notion that a special grounding type plug and socket outlet was necessary, that is incompatible with ordinary plugs and socket outlets, never spread beyond the boarders of Denmark. My background is mostly ITE and Domestic appliances. So I sometimes get to thinking the world revolves around those two categories. Best Regards, Lou Aiken, LaMer LLC 27109 Palmetto Drive Orange Beach, AL 36561 USA tel ++ 1 251 981 6786 fax ++ 1 251 981 3054 Cell ++ 1 251 979 4648 - Original Message - From: Ronald R. Wellman rwell...@wellman.com To: aiken ai...@gulftel.com; richwo...@tycoint.com; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Denmark AC outlets Hello Lou, You mention that In practice, everyone I know sends Schuko plugs to Denmark. Well, that is not necessarily true for manufacturers of test and measurement, and laboratory equipment. I have always specified the Danish plugs for Denmark without any problems for TM equipment. In fact, I had requests from people in Denmark to not ship Schuko power cords
RE: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook
The German Equipment Safety Law requires the installation and maintenance manuals to be in German. Reference Annex ZC.1.7.12 of EN 60950. Richard Woods Sensormatic Electronics Tyco International From: am...@westin-emission.no [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:43 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook Are there any requirements in IEC60950 which says that the language of installation / user handbook, must be in the official language where the product is for sale? Thanks. Best regards Amund Westin Oslo, NORWAY This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook
No. But in most countries, if not all, the laws for consumer protection require this. Ari Honkala -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org]On Behalf Of ext am...@westin-emission.no Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:43 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook Are there any requirements in IEC60950 which says that the language of installation / user handbook, must be in the official language where the product is for sale? Thanks. Best regards Amund Westin Oslo, NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook
Amund, IEC 60950-1 Clause 1.7.12: Instructions and equipment marking related to safety shall be in a language which is acceptable in the country in which the equipment is to be installed. NOTE 1 Documentation intended for use only by SERVICE PERSONS is permitted to be in the English language only. NOTE 2 In Germany, safety related information also for SERVICE PERSONS has to be in the English language. Please note also that the declared European deviations require some statements in particular to be translated into native languages, and give the text in those languages. Canadian deviations require French translations, and additional warnings / installation statements, particularly for DC Mains equipment, are given in Annex NAA of UL60950-1. Installation and user instructions, as well as markings, must be translated if safety is involved. Best regards, Doug Massey Product Safety Engineer Advanced Compliance Solutions Ph. (770) 831-8048 FAX (770) 831-8598 Visit our web home at http://www.acstestlab.com From: owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org] On Behalf Of am...@westin-emission.no Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 4:43 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: IEC60950 - Language of user handbook Are there any requirements in IEC60950 which says that the language of installation / user handbook, must be in the official language where the product is for sale? Thanks. Best regards Amund Westin Oslo, NORWAY This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
FW: Vacuum cleaner for car use only exporting from China to Japan
There can't be any requirement for the automotive e mark, as I presume your vacuum cleaner is never in control of the vehicle, nor indeed is ever used during the normal operation of the vehicle i.e. whilst driving! From: Paul Chan [mailto:ncc...@tuvps.com.hk] Sent: 27 October 2003 10:16 To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Vacuum cleaner for car use only exporting from China to Japan Dear group, Is anyone familiar with the requirements for vacuum cleaner for Japan? AFAIK, no requirement, except may be E Mark? Thanks Paul Chan
Vacuum cleaner for car use only exporting from China to Japan
Dear group, Is anyone familiar with the requirements for vacuum cleaner for Japan? AFAIK, no requirement, except may be E Mark? Thanks Paul Chan
