NPSS Member Dinner Meeting, Wednesday, May 28, 2008 at the Holiday Inn, Marlborough MA
You are invited to the Northeast Product Safety Societys 20th annual membership dinner meeting on Wednesday, May 28th, at the Holiday Inn, Marlborough MA featuring Edward T. Butt Jr., Attorney with Swanson Martin Bell, LLP, will discuss what you can do to better defend and prevent product liability suits. Attorney Butts discussion will focus on what you can do now so that you can defend future products liability cases more successfully and better yet prevent them in the first place. If you will be in the area on May 28th, please consider joining us for dinner and the opportunity to mingle with interesting people involved with product safety. If you are not yet an NPSS member, this is a great opportunity for you to become a member. Further information about the NPSS 20th annual membership dinner is available at http://www.nepss.net. A Filet Mignon entrée dinner with salad, assorted vegetables and potato will be served. Dessert will include assorted apple crisp, pies, coffee, and tea. Coffee service will be available at 5:00 PM and the cash bar will open at 6:00 PM. The dinner service will begin at 7:00 PM. If you require a secondary entrée selection, please indicate your primary and secondary choices when you make your reservation and every effort will be made to provide it. If you are planning to attend please make your reservations today or as soon as possible so NPSS may make proper accommodations with the hotel for the number of people attending. If you are planning to attend, please make your reservations with Donna Kearney at 978-486-8880 X272 (email to dkear...@curtis-straus.com) or Matthew Campanella at 508-786-7629 (email to matthew.campane...@motorola.com). There is no charge to NPSS members whose dues are paid before or at registration. Non-NPSS members are charged a $35 nominal fee. All attendees are asked to check in at a sign-up table which will be available at registration for dues payments by new or existing members. Bring a business card and we can speed things up at registration by scanning it. Please provide any special dietary requirements information with your reservation confirmation and every attempt will be made to provide for your needs. Membership or dinner fees may soon be paid with Visa or Master Card credit cards through an online ticket service for a nominal ticketing fee. Further details will soon be available at http://www.nepss.net. Please RSVP by May 26th as reservations are required. Attorney Edward Butt has spent over thirty-five years defending technically complex lawsuits. For the past twenty years his practice has become increasingly focused to the point where now almost all of his work is defending several manufacturers of industrial machinery on a nationwide basis in products liability cases and consulting with them on product safety and products liability prevention. Ed is admitted to practice law in Illinois, Wisconsin and Michigan, but he has handled cases in at least twenty-nine states throughout the country. Ed is of counsel to the law firm of Swanson, Martin Bell, LLP, based in Chicago. He is a 1971 graduate of the University of Michigan Law School and a 1968 graduate of Lawrence University. In college he majored in economics, but he also took a heavy concentration of math, chemistry and physics courses. Additional information about our keynote speakers and his presentation is available at http://www.nepss.net. The Dinner agenda is 6:00 6:50 Registration Social (Cash bar) 6:50 7:00 Opening remarks and Welcome message from Steve Brody, NPSS President 7:00 8:00 Dinner 8:00 8:10 Introductions by Steve Brody, NPSS President, Paul Smith, Assistant VP of Meetings, will introduce our keynote speaker. 8:20 Keynote speaker Further information about the Northeast Product Safety Society and how to become a member is available at http://www.nepss.net. A membership application form is available at http://www.nepss.net/page18.html. Directions to the Holiday Inn: The Holiday Inn is located on 265 Lakeview Drive (Rt. 20), Marlborough, MA (508-481-3000). From I-495 North or South, take exit 24A (Rte. 20 East / Marlborough) and take your first left into the Holiday Inn Drive. The hotel will be on the hill. We are looking for a few volunteers to help on the registration table on the 28st. If you would like to be one of these volunteers, please contact David Wheeler, Dinner Chairman, at inter...@aol.com or myself at matthew.campane...@motorola.com. Matt Campanella NPSS Secretary Compliance Engineer Motorola, Inc. Broadband Communications Sector 111 Locke Drive Marlborough, MA 01752 (508) 786-7629 Direct (508) 786-7500 Main (508) 480-6332 Fax matthew.campane...@motorola.com email - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions:
RE: Transformer Safety Design
The CSA publishes design guides for its clients that are somewhat useable by developers. FWIW, UL60950-1 specifies, in addition to the stated requirements, IEC61558-x for some general xfmr tests, and UL 1585 (to be obsoleted by UL 5085-x) for Class 2/3 power sources. The comment by Mr Woodgate is good advice - as my employer's designers seem to have many problems with using the 'raw' safety standard as a design guide. So for each project, I write some summary tables of construction requirements, performance/test requirements, and spacings that would apply to the particular project. For component transformers, I point all new product designs to use only IEC61558-x and/or UL5085-x, which can get them into most IT and consumer products. luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of MacArthur, Don Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 8:48 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Transformer Safety Design I am looking for a comprehensive standard, book, or technical article which describes designing a transformer to pass the safety requirements (Creepage, Clearance, Insulation Properties, etc.). Overall product must pass UL 60950. There seems to be a lot of standards out there to choose from. I would like to receive suggestions on best possible one(s) to purchase. Thanks, Don Don MacArthur Compliance Engineer General Dynamics Itronix Corporation - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25
There was a previous PSTC thread that discussed the use of software as a safety-critical component. The Therac-25 is an oft-cited example in school ethics papers. This incident is poorly understood by people that have not performed formal software verification and validation. From a purely software engineering point of view, in the philosophic meaning, there was no breach of ethics by the design team, and there was no failure of the Therac software. While poor test design failed to reveal the problem, the root-cause was an incorrect design specification. It my opinion, it seems that the manufacturer's management had a morals problem. Let the software wars begin... luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Bender, Curtis Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 7:57 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Ethics grad work Therac-25 Greetings fellow IEEE PS forum members. I am a Grad student writing an ethics paper on the Therac-25 radiation machine. http://www.computingcases.org/case_materials/therac/therac_case_i ntro.html My paper is focusing on the ethical situation from the manufacturer's point of view and hypothetically what they should or could have done differently to solve the issue if I was their consultant. Primarily I am interested in the ISO/IEC or international safety standards for software programming of industrial equipment or medical devices. Not necessarily to reference them but to understand the scope and to realize what the manufacturer needed/needs to do. This would also hypothetically be presented to the business management team that contracted me. I am a little curious too as to what extent this event has taken the existing industry. I have read that the standards have added unnecessary time to an already laborious process. I look forward, as always, to your comments. Best regards, Curt Bender Curtis Bender Tennant Company curtis.ben...@tennantco.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Ethics grad work Therac-25
In message 004501c8b1ea$6e005bc0$d600a...@tamuracorp.com, dated Fri, 9 May 2008, Brian O'Connell oconne...@tamuracorp.com writes: It my opinion, it seems that the manufacturer's management had a morals problem. Are there any that don't? There's always at least one guy who believes that the ends justify the means. -- OOO - Own Opinions Only. Try www.jmwa.demon.co.uk and www.isce.org.uk Murphy's Law has now been officially re-named The Certainty Principle John Woodgate, J M Woodgate and Associates, Rayleigh, Essex UK - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Kalmus Amplifiers
Kalmus was bought by AR. If I remember correctly, the units that did not use a standard GPIB connector had the pin-out in the manual. luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of jharring...@f2labs.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:08 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Kalmus Amplifiers Does any one remember or still use a Kalmus amplifier. We have one but in a recent move we lost the special GPIB cable for it. Does any one know what the pin out is for this cable or better still have a spare one? Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Best regards John Harrington EMC Laboratory Manager F-Squared Laboratories Tel: 440 632 5541 x 203 Fax: 440 632 5542 Cell: 440 832 0558 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Kalmus Amplifiers
Hi John We do have a Kalmus that we use and also have the manuals for it. Will look Monday and see if I can get the pinouts. Which connector number is the one you are talking about and model number of the amp? Regards, Mac From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Brian O'Connell Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 12:04 PM To: jharring...@f2labs.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Kalmus Amplifiers Kalmus was bought by AR. If I remember correctly, the units that did not use a standard GPIB connector had the pin-out in the manual. luck, Brian From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of jharring...@f2labs.com Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:08 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Kalmus Amplifiers Does any one remember or still use a Kalmus amplifier. We have one but in a recent move we lost the special GPIB cable for it. Does any one know what the pin out is for this cable or better still have a spare one? Any help would be gratefully appreciated. Best regards John Harrington EMC Laboratory Manager F-Squared Laboratories Tel: 440 632 5541 x 203 Fax: 440 632 5542 Cell: 440 832 0558 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25
Thank you everyone for your help! This is great information. Sincerely, Curt Bender PGS - Cornerstone University The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the informational purposes of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for Tennant Company nor does the writer represent Tennant Company's official position on any matter. From: Glyn Garside [mailto:lis...@garside.us] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:00 PM To: Bender, Curtis Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25 You wrote, Primarily I am interested in the ISO/IEC or international safety standards for software programming of industrial equipment or medical devices. I'll defer to others (Marcelo...) for the medical standards, but since you also asked about industrial equipment, consider, Generic (electrical/electronic products): IEC 61508 www.iec.ch/61508/ This is massive, about 700 pages in 7 parts. For software, consider especially parts 1 and 3. Machinery-specific (electrical/electronic only): IEC 62061 [derived from IEC 61508] Machinery-specific (all technologies: e ectrical/pneumatic/hydraulic/mechanical) ISO 13849-1 and -2 (There are many other standards based on/derived from IEC 61508.) Regards, Glyn Garside - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Ethics grad work Therac-25
Thought it would be interesting to review what we have recommended a grad student acquire. I hope he has a good library. I brings up the problem of trying to make the right moral decisions. I assume anyone writing safety related software will start with this. CHF $ IEC 61508-SER 1216 1,168.11 IEC 60601-1-SER 1520 1,460.13 ISO 14971 189 181.55 IEC 62304 270 259.36 IEC 62061 281 269.93 ISO 13849-1 189 181.55 ISO 13849-2 146 140.25 Nancy Levison's book, Safeware: System Safety and Computers 49.50 3,710.38 Obviously IEC, ISO and the other standards agencies are encouraging you all to do the right thing. It brings up a situation I ran into where our town was building a children's playground. The playground safety standard price was larger than the budget for the playground. The standard was ignored. Bob Johnson ITE Safety http://www.itesafety.com Bender, Curtis wrote: Thank you everyone for your help! This is great information. Sincerely, Curt Bender PGS - Cornerstone University The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the informational purposes of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for Tennant Company nor does the writer represent Tennant Company's official position on any matter. From: Glyn Garside [mailto:lis...@garside.us] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:00 PM To: Bender, Curtis Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25 You wrote, Primarily I am interested in the ISO/IEC or international safety standards for software programming of industrial equipment or medical devices. I'll defer to others (Marcelo...) for the medical standards, but since you also asked about industrial equipment, consider, Generic (electrical/electronic products): IEC 61508 www.iec.ch/61508/ This is massive, about 700 pages in 7 parts. For software, consider especially parts 1 and 3. Machinery-specific (electrical/electronic only): IEC 62061 [derived from IEC 61508] Machinery-specific (all technologies: lectrical/pneumatic/hydraulic/mechanical) ISO 13849-1 and -2 (There are many other standards based on/derived from IEC 61508.) Regards, Glyn Garside - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: ANSI Z535 Graphics/Label Design
Hello Rick, It has taken me a while to re-locate this valuable resource. St. Claire, Inc. offers their web-based Safety Sign Builder 2.0 at no cost other than a simple registration a request for a donation once you have logged-in. It's very useful and enables on to design ANSI or OSHA safety signs in English, Spanish and French. I've mounted their link in the Safety Link's EHS OHS Resources section at: www.safetylink.com/resources/ergonomics-occupational-health-resources/ The abovmentioned resource is the sixth link in that section. Best regards, Art Michael, Webmaster of the Safety Link http://www.safetylink.com/ o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--0--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o--o The Safety Link is the most comprehensive collection of product safety and standards resources on the WEB. Nearly one million visitors can't be wrong! = On Wed, 23 Apr 2008, rick.m.bus...@l-3com.com wrote: I am looking to create a single safety label in accordance with ANSI Z535 standards. Obviously I would like to create this label myself using the correct graphics, colors, etc. Can anyone tell me if icons are available on line of if there might be a CD or software package I could purchase to design unique labels? FYI, these will not be used on product, but rather for identification of hazards for test equipment. Thanks Rick Rick Busche Environmental Test Engineer L-3 Communications (801) 594-2546 rick.m.bus...@l-3com.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25
Thanks for the sympathetic encouragement Bob!! Someone recently brought up a point that I am wrestling with though. What EXACTLY are the manufacturer's root ethical issue(s) here? I have the following so far: 0.) doing a software safety analysis AFTER the machine has been commercially available - what kind of motivation would the manufacturer have to pass!! 1.) Releasing software that that had an insufficient safety analysis - was fau lt tree bad or was that accepted practice in 1983? if 1.) is not the root, then: 2.) Inadequate response to 6 injuries/overdoses in 9 months. this was a million dollar machine but hey, what is the value of a human life? 3.) Knowingly leaving an unsafe product on the market for 10 months until units were required to be shutdown by the FDA CRPB. same comment as above. As always, I welcome you comments. Sincerely, Curtis Bender PGS - Cornerstone University The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the informational purposes of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for Tennant Company nor does the writer represent Tennant Company's official position on any matter. From: emc-p...@ieee.org on behalf of Robert Johnson Sent: Fri 5/9/2008 6:36 PM To: owner-emc-p...@listserv.ieee.org Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Ethics grad work Therac-25 Thought it would be interesting to review what we have recommended a grad student acquire. I hope he has a good library. I brings up the problem of trying to make the right moral decisions. I assume anyone writing safety related software will start with this. CHF $ IEC 61508-SER 1216 1,168.11 IEC 60601-1-SER 1520 1,460.13 ISO 14971 189 181.55 IEC 62304 270 259.36 IEC 62061 281 269.93 ISO 13849-1 189 181.55 ISO 13849-2 146 140.25 Nancy Levison's book, Safeware: System Safety and Computers 49.50 3,710.38 Obviously IEC, ISO and the other standards agencies are encouraging you all to do the right thing. It brings up a situation I ran into where our town was building a children's playground. The playground safety standard price was larger than the budget for the playground. The standard was ignored. Bob Johnson ITE Safety http://www.itesafety.com/ Bender, Curtis wrote: Thank you everyone for your help! This is great information. Sincerely, Curt Bender PGS - Cornerstone University The items contained in this e-mail reflect the personal opinions of the writer and are only provided for the informational purposes of the reader. The writer is not speaking in an official capacity for Tennant Company nor does the writer represent Tennant Company's official position on any matter. From: Glyn Garside [mailto:lis...@garside.us] Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 1:00 PM To: Bender, Curtis Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Ethics grad work Therac-25 You wrote, Primarily I am interested in the ISO/IEC or international safety standards for software programming of industrial equipment or medical devices. I'll defer to others (Marcelo...) for the medical standards, but since you also asked about industrial equipment, consider, Generic (electrical/electronic products): IEC 61508 www.iec.ch/61508/ This is massive, about 700 pages in 7 parts. For software, consider especially parts 1 and 3. Machinery-specific (electrical/electronic only): IEC 62061 [derived from IEC 61508] Machinery-specific (all technologies: lectrical/pneumatic/hydraulic/mechanical) ISO 13849-1 and -2 (There are many other standards based on/derived from IEC 61508.) Regards, Glyn Garside - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-pstc@ ieee.org mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc http://www.ieeecommuni ties.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc
