Re: [PSES] 61010-1 hazardous live classification
James: I think it was Richard Nute, who has been instrumental is grounding and safe equipment throughout his carrier. He would love to hear from you. He will be guest speaker for Virtual chapter of PSES (Product Safety Engineering Society) of IEEE in coming months. Please send me an email and I can provide you with the details. Best Regards and Be Safe Bansi Patel BRP Consultants PSES BoG at large 2020-2023 PSES Vice President of Conferences 2020-2024 bansipate...@gmail.com <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> M: 909-260-9403 Please plan to attend Face-to-Face event: ISPCE 2024, (April 30-May 2, 2024); Chicago Area, Illinois, USA https://2024.psessymposium.org <https://2024.psessymposium.org/> From: James Pawson (U3C) Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2024 1:39 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] 61010-1 hazardous live classification Hello all, Thanks for all the responses and for some thoughts on the nuances. I'm helping a customer with their risk assessment so being able to understand the risks a little better is most useful. Someone pointed out the relaxation in EN 62368-1 for pulse amplitudes based on duty cycle which is also going to be useful. Much appreciated as always. All the best James James Pawson Managing Director & EMC Problem Solver Unit 3 Compliance Ltd EMC : Environmental & Vibration : Electrical Safety : CE & UKCA : Consultancy www.unit3compliance.co.uk <http://www.unit3compliance.co.uk/> | ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk <mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> +44(0)1274 911747 | +44(0)7811 139957 2 Wellington Business Park, New Lane, Bradford, BD4 8AL Registered in England and Wales # 10574298 Office hours: Every morning my full attention is on consultancy, testing, and troubleshooting activities for our customers' projects. I'm available/contactable between 1300h to 1730h Mon/Tue/Thurs/Fri. For inquiries, bookings, and testing updates please send us an email on <mailto:he...@unit3compliance.co.uk> he...@unit3compliance.co.uk or call 01274 911747. Our lead times for testing and consultancy are typically 4-5 weeks. From: James Pawson (U3C) mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> > Sent: Monday, February 26, 2024 1:38 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: [PSES] 61010-1 hazardous live classification Hello all, I hope this safety question is a fairly simple one for you, it being Monday after all. 1. A piece of equipment with a power supply output for driving a lamp. It has two modes, DC and pulsed. 2. Both of the output voltage connections are on accessible terminals (checked using finger probe) 3. Classifying voltages as per EN 61010-1 clause 6.3.1 (limit values for accessible parts, normal operating conditions) 4. DC mode runs at 46Vdc maximum. This is less than 60Vdc so is not Hazardous Live 5. Pulse mode runs at 46Vdc pulsed (frequency up to 1kHz, duty cycle can vary down to 0.01%) which is an AC waveform greater than 42.4V peak so is Hazardous Live 6. The output from the equipment is low impedance so is more than capable of sourcing the required 0.7mA through the IEC 60990 body model. Quick sketch attached to illustrate the concept. I even ran a SPICE simulation to make sure I wasn't getting something wrong. I would appreciate the sanity check! All the best James James Pawson Managing Director & EMC Problem Solver Unit 3 Compliance Ltd EMC : Environmental & Vibration : Electrical Safety : CE & UKCA : Consultancy www.unit3compliance.co.uk <http://www.unit3compliance.co.uk/> | ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk <mailto:ja...@unit3compliance.co.uk> +44(0)1274 911747 | +44(0)7811 139957 2 Wellington Business Park, New Lane, Bradford, BD4 8AL Registered in England and Wales # 10574298 Office hours: Every morning my full attention is on consultancy, testing, and troubleshooting activities for our customers' projects. I'm available/contactable between 1300h to 1730h Mon/Tue/Thurs/Fri. For inquiries, bookings, and testing updates please send us an email on <mailto:he...@unit3compliance.co.uk> he...@unit3compliance.co.uk or call 01274 911747. Our lead times for testing and consultancy are typically 4-5 weeks. _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscrib
Re: [PSES] EN, ISO, or IEC adhesive label durability standards?
Doug: Happy New year, friend: I haven’t dealt with Labeling issues for few years. But here are two links that may help. labeling for EU: https://www.trade.gov/country-commercial-guides/eu-labelingmarking-requirements https://echa.europa.eu/documents/10162/23036412/clp_labelling_en.pdf/89628d94-573a-4024-86cc-0b4052a74d65 Best Regards and Be Safe Bansi Patel BRP Consultants PSES BoG at large 2020-2023 PSES Vice President of Conferences 2020-2024 <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> bansipate...@gmail.com M: 909-260-9403 Please plan to attend Face-to-Face event: ISPCE 2024, (April 30-May 2, 2024); Chicago Area, Illinois, USA <https://2024.psessymposium.org/> https://2024.psessymposium.org From: Doug Nix Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2024 1:20 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN, ISO, or IEC adhesive label durability standards? Dear colleagues, I am looking for EN, ISO, or IEC standards that are equivalent to CSA C22.2 No. 0.15, Adhesive Labels or UL 969 2023, Marking and Labeling Systems. I’ve done some searching on cencenelec.org, iso.org, and webstore.iec.ch, without finding any standards that appear to cover similar requirements. Specifically, I’m interested in the label durability tests, like the solvent test defined in CSA C22.2 No. 0.15. Any suggestions are appreciated. Best regards, Doug Nix d...@ieee.org <mailto:d...@ieee.org> +1 (519) 729-5704 _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] Lithium battery label / marking
Amund: Markings and cautions are described in the product safety Standards i.e., UL (UL 1973) some IEC (IEC 62133-1). You may want to refer to them for battery models, rating of the cabinet or battery pack, replacement instructions etc. Best Regards and Be Safe Bansi Patel BRP Consultants PSES BoG at large 2020-2023 PSES Vice President of Conferences 2020-2024 <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> bansipate...@gmail.com M: 909-260-9403 Please plan to attend Face-to-Face event: ISPCE 2024, (April 30-May 2, 2024); Chicago Area, Illinois, USA <https://2024.psessymposium.org/> https://2024.psessymposium.org From: Amund Westin Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 10:40 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Lithium battery label / marking Product (Multimedia Equipment) that contains Lithium battery We know there are various required labels on packaging for ground/air transportation. But the product itself, does it need a battery label / marking on the outside enclosure? Can’t remember seeing such a label. BR Amund _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1
Re: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings
John: In this case I would ask manufacturer (thru your purchasing channel) regarding marking requirements agreed as a certification requirement from the UL. That should be condition of acceptability. Have that letter or document available at time of UL inspection. Other way, I handed was to ask for certificate (or document) of acceptance (CofA or DofA) of shipment form your supplier, stating quantity part number order number meets UL component marking requirements. And store it with incoming inspection. Best Regards and Be Safe Bansi Patel BRP Consultants PSES BoG at large 2020-2023 PSES Vice President of Conferences 2020-2024 bansipate...@gmail.com <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> M: 909-260-9403 Please plan to attend (Face-2-Face event): ISPCE 2024 , May 2024 (Dates to be determined soon); Chicago Area, Illinois, USA https://2024.psessymposium.org <https://2024.psessymposium.org/> From: John Allen Sent: Tuesday, July 18, 2023 9:41 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] Lithium Button Cell Battery - NRTL markings Hi guys, We are having a heck of time proving a button cell is actually UR - CR2354. UL IQ says it's UR. The Battery is not marked. The Guide Card allows the marking to be on "packaging". Our customer purchases the CR2354 on-line. The packaging it comes in is not marked. Is it possible the UR mark is on the Bulk packaging that the on-line supplier would have? Best Regards and Be Safe, John John Allen | President & CEO | Product Safety Consulting, Inc. Your Outsourced Compliance DepartmentR 630-238-0188, Cell: 630-330-3145 <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Product-Safety-Consulting-Inc/97306850917> <http://twitter.com/SafetyTesting> <http://www.linkedin.com/in/productsafetyconsultinginc> <https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVSzENmSoWeNFSBQcOYN7-A> https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVSzENmSoWeNFSBQcOYN7-A <http://www.productsafetyinc.com/> www.productsafetyinc.com IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society President Elect 2023, President 2024-2025, Past President 2026 President 2016-2019 Compliance 101 Technical Committee Chairman IEEE Senior Member Keeping our members informed and educated on Product Safety and Compliance <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/index.html> https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/index.html Although PSC maintains the highest level of virus protection, this e-mail and any attachments should be scanned by your virus protection software. It is the responsibility of the recipient to check that it is virus free. PSC does not accept any responsibility for data loss or systems damage arising in any way from its use. This message is confidential and intended only for the individual to whom or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or addressee, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying, in whole or part, of this message is strictly prohibited. If you believe that you have been sent this message in error, please do not read it. Please immediately reply to sender that you have received this message in error. Then permanently delete all copies of the message. Thank you. _ This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ <https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/%20> Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/> Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html> List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Mike Sherman at: msherma...@comcast.net <mailto:msherma...@comcast.net> Rick Linford at: linf...@ieee.org <mailto:linf...@ieee.org> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher at: j.bac...@ieee.org <mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> _ To unsubscribe from the EMC-PSTC list, click the following link: https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC <https://listserv.ieee.org/cgi-bin/wa?SUBED1=EMC-PSTC=1> =1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: https://www.mail-archive.com/emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org/ Website: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/ Instructions: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: https://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/listrules.html For h
Re: [PSES] engineering rules of thumb
Mark Sorry to see cancellation. I hope you do it very soon. These are the saving tips that helps up engineers. Hoping to hear from you soon. Cheers and be safe Bansi Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2021, at 9:21 AM, Stultz, Mark > <0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> wrote: > > > My apologies for the meeting spam… > > Mark Stultz | CMSE® | Sealed Air | Automated Packaging Systems | Streetsboro, > OH | 330-342-2402 > > -Original Appointment- > From: Stultz, Mark <0f79f2e10e47-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> On > Behalf Of Stultz, Mark > Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2021 9:19 AM > To: doug emcesd.com; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] Canceled: engineering rules of thumb > When: Thursday, March 18, 2021 11:00 AM-12:00 PM (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US > & Canada). > Where: Microsoft Teams Meeting > Importance: High > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > > > Microsoft Teams meeting > Join on your computer or mobile app > Click here to join the meeting > > Learn More | Meeting options > > > > _ > From: doug emcesd.com > Sent: Monday, March 15, 2021 7:13 PM > To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG > Subject: [PSES] engineering rules of thumb > > > CAUTION: This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not > click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. > > Hi All, > > I am going to do a 30 minute informal “Rules of Thumb in Electrical > Engineering” presentation on Thursday at 11 am PDT (US West coast time). All > are welcome and there is no cost. There will not be a set of slides to > distribute but you are encouraged to take screenshots of anything that > interests you (in Windows you can use the built in app “Snip n’ Sketch” to do > this or on Mac you already know what to do). > > My GoToMeeting session can accommodate 150 computers and the session will be > first come first served. I will cover some rules of thumb for design and > safety (my safety) that I have accumulated over the last 60 years in > engineering. > > Afterwards all are welcome to hang around for my rules of thumb on personal > health. Rules that have me in my mid-seventies running 500 miles so far this > year. Tons of energy and rarely getting sick (last time I missed a day of > work was 30 years ago, last flu, cold, or sore throat was about 47 years ago). > > Here is the information: > > Engineering presentation by Doug > Thu, Mar 18, 2021 11:00 AM - 12:00 PM (PDT) > > Please join my meeting from your computer, tablet or smartphone. > > https://global.gotomeeting.com/join/619784445 > > You can also dial in using your phone. > (For supported devices, tap a one-touch number below to join instantly.) > > United States: +1 (872) 240-3412 > - One-touch: tel:+18722403412,,619784445# > > Access Code: 619-784-445 > > New to GoToMeeting? Get the app now and be ready when your first meeting > starts: https://global.gotomeeting.com/install/619784445 > > Doug > > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list administrators: > Scott Douglas > Mike Cantwell > > For policy questions, send mail to: > Jim Bacher > David Heald > > - > > This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc > discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to > > > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: > http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html > > Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at > http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used > formats), large files, etc. > > Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ > Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to > unsubscribe) > List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html > > For help, send mail to the list
Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC
Brian: I am glad you got the answers and help you were looking for thru the PSES forum. And all of you who is giving your thoughts and help, thank you very much. Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel BRP Consultants <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> bansipate...@gmail.com M: 909-260-9403 IEEE, Life Senior Member IEEE PSES, Vice President of Conferences IEEE PSES, Board of Governors-at Large (2018-2023) PSES Virtual Chapter, VP Membership http://ewh.ieee.org/soc/pses/virtual-chapter/ Member Services Region 1-6 coordinator IEEE 1184, Chair PSES San Diego Chapter Chair ISPCE 2021 Symposium Co-Chair SPCE 2020 Symposium Co-Chair Symposium Chair; 2006, 2011, 2016 Symposium co-chair; 2017-2020 <mailto:bansi.pa...@ieee.org> bansi.pa...@ieee.org Please plan to attend: ISPCE 2021, San Diego, CA, USA; May 18-20, 2021 From: Brian Kunde Sent: Wednesday, November 25, 2020 8:47 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC Our motivation for including information on our EU DoCs that may not be technically required is two-fold; 1. to better inform our customers, and 2. to reduce the number of questions/complaints from the field. We could drastically reduce the number of requests from the field if we provide the information on the DoC; in this case, the 2015/863 amendment. I agree that technically it should not be necessary, but there are benefits here to consider. And as far as I know, there is no rule against it. So why not? BTW, thanks to everyone who participated in this thread. It has been very informative and I appreciate it. Have a great Thanksgiving if you celebrate such a thing. We have the next few days off which I'm looking forward to. Brian On Sun, Nov 22, 2020 at 4:47 AM Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> > wrote: A lot of articles were published when 2015/863 was published, so people are more aware of it that the other amendments, but RoHS compliance is very much a moving target due to a wide variety of exemptions and exemption expiration dates – such as this example: 6(c) Copper alloy containing up to 4 % lead by weight Expires on: — 21 July 2021 for categories 1-7 and 10, — 21 July 2021 for categories 8 and 9 other than in vitro diagnostic medical devices and industrial monitoring and control instruments, — 21 July 2023 for category 8 in vitro diagnostic medical devices, — 21 July 2024 for category 9 industrial monitoring and control instruments, and for category 11. By declaring compliance to RoHS you are automatically declaring compliance with all applicable amending Delegated Directives – none of these, including 2015/863, amended Annex VI which tells you how to declare compliance with RoHS: The object of the declaration described above is in conformity with Directive 2011/65/EU of the European Parliament and of the Council of 8 June 2011 on the restriction of the use of certain hazardous substances in electrical and electronic equipment @Scott Douglas I presume the complaints were from customers and not market enforcement? Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Brian Kunde mailto:bkundew...@gmail.com> > Sent: 22 November 2020 05:26 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] ROHS and DoC Because we provide DoCs translated into over 30 languages, we try to avoid text that has to be translated. Our type of products do not have to comply with these new regulations until next year, but when we do, we plan to use the same nomenclature that is used for the amendments of Standards by using the Plus Sign (+). So under the RoHS Directive, we plan to list it like this: 2011/65/EU + 2015/863 Does anyone see any issue with this? Regards, The Other Brian On Sat, Nov 21, 2020 at 4:26 PM Scott Douglas mailto:sdouglas...@gmail.com> > wrote: I used to get complaints I was not up to date when I said 2011/65/EU as amended. Now I say 2011/65/EU as amended by 2015/863. No more complaints. On Sat, Nov 21, 2020, 12:57 PM Charlie Blackham mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com> > wrote: Amund Whilst 2015/863 updates 2011/65/EU, you do not CE mark to it. The DoC must be to 2011/65/EU Some people concentrate a lot on 2015/863 but there have been far more Delegated Directives dealing with exemptions than just this one dealing with substances (https://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/legis_en.htm) Best regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: https://sulisconsultants.com/ Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 -Original Message- From: Amund Westin mailto:am...@westin-emi
Re: [PSES] EN55024 and EN55035
Peter: First we need to know what product you are talking about ITE, A/V or Medical, etc.? Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel M: 909-260-9403 bansipate...@gmail.com <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> From: 06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org <06cee064502d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org> Sent: Friday, November 13, 2020 10:45 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EN55024 and EN55035 Friends, Currently in the EU OJ, both EN55024 and EN55035 are listed and there is no date of withdrawal for EN55024. Can you guys let me know which one we should be using please? Thanks Peter - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] electric shock from capacitor discharge
Rich: There are incidents where there are capacitors in the equipment, that can have hazardous energy. UL 1778, safety standard for UPS has requirement for protection of safety personnel, where there is clause to make sure that makes sure that energy in the capacitor is discharged before service personnel has an access to the capacitor. Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel M: 909-260-9403 bansipate...@gmail.com <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> From: Richard Nute Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 3:04 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] electric shock from capacitor discharge Hi Lauren: Thanks, but I recognize that many standards include such requirements. I am looking for instances (other than the pins of a power plug) where such requirements must be invoked. Stay safe! Rich From: lauren.cr...@us.tel.com <mailto:lauren.cr...@us.tel.com> mailto:lauren.cr...@us.tel.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2020 2:52 PM To: ri...@ieee.org <mailto:ri...@ieee.org> Cc: EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org <mailto:EMC-PSTC@listserv.ieee.org> Subject: Re: [PSES] electric shock from capacitor discharge Hi Rich, Discharge requirements are already in some electrical safety standards. Not at my desk so recall is poor, but likely 61010 or even NFPA 79 have something about caps with stored energy above x joules have to discharge within N seconds of power off... Cheers, -Lauren Sent from my mobile phone - please excuse typos, brevity, etc. On Sep 29, 2020, at 4:27 PM, Richard Nute mailto:ri...@ieee.org> > wrote: I am interested in knowing what constructions, situations, and products where a capacitive discharge into a body could take place. I am aware of the X and Y capacitors discharge at the prongs of a power plug. I don’t immediately know of other situations or products that might discharge a capacitor into a body. I would appreciate descriptions of such discharges into a body, not conjecture. Preferably, normal conditions and some single-fault conditions. Do we need to include capacitive discharge requirements in the safety standards? Stay safe! Rich - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] High voltage versus High tension
Reagan: Back in early 1980’s during CSA investigation, they had me use “Haute Tension” for French translation for “high voltage”. Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread – Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel M: 909-260-9403 bansipate...@gmail.com <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> From: Regan Arndt Sent: Monday, August 3, 2020 4:35 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] High voltage versus High tension Hi folks, I never encountered this before but am curious if anyone had any problems in using the European verbiage ‘High Tension’ in lieu of ‘High voltage’ during their 61010 assessment on their labels and documentation. Unless I am mistaken on the Group & National differences, IEC 61010-1 does not mention anything specific on allowing this alternative language. I also want to know if ‘High tension’ would be a problem in the USA and Canada during a Field evaluation or NRTL certification? (I only ask to avoid having 2 labels/wording on a global product) Thanks for sharing any experiences you had. Regan Arndt - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] UL 60065 7th & 8th Edition
Ian: You are mixing up EU vs North America. NRTL is US requirements. UL standards don't get withdrawn. As long as you comply with the requirement of a American standards it is up to approving agency issuing NRTL mark. Agency i.e. UL let you carry product with NRTL mark in US market place as long as you comply with the requirements. Please be safe Stay Home - Stop the Spread - Save Lives Best Regards Bansi Patel M: 909-260-9403 <mailto:bansipate...@gmail.com> bansipate...@gmail.com From: McBurney, Ian Sent: Thursday, May 7, 2020 6:56 AM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] UL 60065 7th & 8th Edition Dear Colleagues. Does anyone know if products approved to the above standard will still be able to be NRTL marked after 20th December 2020? This is the date the EN version can no longer be used to declare conformity with the EU LVD. I would like to know if the same event will happen in the USA, or when it is likely to occur. Many thanks in advance. Ian McBurney Compliance Engineer Allen & Heath Ltd. Allen & Heath Ltd is a registered business in England and Wales, Company number: 4163451. Any views expressed in this email are those of the individual and not necessarily those of the company. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
