Re: Wanted EMI consultant for PCB design
Dear Mr. Balasubramanian, I think you have a large task ahead of you, especially as it is only a two layer board. Also think the 6db margin is a little harsh. A 3 db would be enough I'm sure. Anyway I would be willing to review your schematic and board layout and make recommendations if required. I charge $750 U.S D. a day. I'm sure this would only take about 1 day to review. I need a deposit of 50% to proceed. I could arrange for testing here in Canada to verify the design, this of course would cost more money. Please let me know if you wish to proceed. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Ottawa, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 12 Nov 2008 at 19:38, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in wrote: Dear Experts, We have done a 2 layer PCB design for a smart card reader cum PC keyboard. 3 revisions of PCB completed so far but still we could not clear the radiated emission testing as per customer spec. Customer demands 6 dB margin wrt the CISPR22 Class B limits. We look for consultants who can help us in designing the PCB. Our delivery to the customer is only a PCBA and this will get enclosed in their keyboard casing. The keyboard matrix is designed manufactured by the customer. I request to reply to my personal ID. Sincerely                                                          SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. K. Balasubramanian                                         Modules 0506, 0507 0508, D ⬠Block, Manager ⬠Hardware                                        South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 42931391                                      #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) Fax :+91 44 22540029                                       Taramani, Chennai ⬠600113. India E-mail:kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in         Web : http://scmmicro.com â¬ÜThis email and any attachment may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you have received this information in error, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing and using the information. If you are not a named addressee or otherwise an intended recipient you are requested to immediately notify the sender and to delete this email and all attachments from your system.⬠- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.2/1783 - Release Date: 11/12/2008 10:01 AM - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
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Dear Colleagues, Please accept my apology for sending a personal email to the distribution list. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: dhe...@gmail.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Labeling Requirements per Industry Canada
Grace, Don't forget that your client will require a Canadian representative to hold the certification and test reports in-case the product is audited. Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates From: Mark Briggs mbri...@elliottlabs.com Reply-To: Mark Briggs mbri...@elliottlabs.com To: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com,Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com, emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Labeling Requirements per Industry Canada Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2008 08:35:54 -0700 (PDT) Grace, Charles My understanding is that model number and brand name on the label need to match the information related to the IC number that is detailed on Canada's Radio Equipment List (REL) ... follow the link on the left side of Industry Canada's wireless certification page http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/site/ceb-bhst.nsf/en/h_tt00010e.html There are ways to get variants with a new model number with the same brand name (family listing) or different brand name (multiple listing) onto the REL but these do require that an application be filed and, in the case of a multiple listing, the new company have a Canadian Company Number. Regards Mark - Original Message From: Grasso, Charles charles.gra...@echostar.com To: Grace Lin graceli...@gmail.com; emc-p...@ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, October 8, 2008 4:27:42 PM Subject: RE: Labeling Requirements per Industry Canada Hi Grace, I ran into this issue too! Although the standard states very specifically that it must be the manufacturers name etc on the label, you can – by going through a TCB, get the label listed the way you describe. Chas From:emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of Grace Lin Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 12:17 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Labeling Requirements per Industry Canada Dear Members, Could someone please advise if a marketing company is able to mark an Industry Canada certified OEM product by using the manufacturer's (applicant's) IC number and the marketing company's name and model number? I excerpt Section 5.2 of RSS-Gen below for your convenience. If yes for the above question, is there any procedure we or our OEM supplier has to follow (permissive change, etc.) ? Thank you and look forward to hear from you. Best regards, Grace Lin All Category I radio equipment intended for use in Canada shall permanently display on each transmitter, receiver, or inseparable combination thereof, the applicant's name (i.e. manufacturer's name, trade name or brand name), model number and certification number. This information shall be affixed in such a manner as not to be removable except by destruction or defacement. The size of the lettering shall be legible without the aid of magnification but is not required to be larger than 8-point font size. If the device is too small to meet this condition, the information can be included in the user manual upon agreement with Industry Canada . The label for medical implants which are designed to be used within the human body, can be placed on the package and user manual. The certification number is made up of a Company Number (CN) assigned by the Bureau followed by the Unique Product Number (UPN ), assigned by the applicant. The certification number shall appear as follows: IC: XX-YYY Where: * XX-YYY is the certification number; * XX is the Company Number (CN) assigned by Industry Canada , made of at most 6 alphanumeric characters (A-Z, 0-9), including a letter at the end of the CN to distinguish between different company addresses; * YYY is the Unique Product Number (UPN ) assigned by the applicant, made of at most 11 alphanumeric characters (A-Z, 0-9); and * the letters IC have no other meaning or purpose than to identify the Industry Canada certification number. Permitted alphanumerical characters used in the CN and UPN are limited to capital letters (A-Z) and digits (0-9). An example of the new format for a company having a CN of 21A and wishing to use a UPN of WILAN3 would thus be: IC: 21A-WILAN3. Each equipment model shall be explicitly identified. The use of characters, such as #, / or -, in the certification number is not allowed. The use of wild card characters in the model number (for the purpose of identifying multiple models with one name) is not allowed. Equipment that has received certification but is not labelled with the applicant's name, model number and the certification number as outlined above is not considered certified. Category II equipment shall be labelled in accordance with the requirements of RSS -310. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee
[SPAM] Re: Cable Assemblies for EU
Sorry Doug, I should have said a power cable with a customized connector that forms part of the assembly, not and IEC connector I'm familiar with those requirements. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 27 Aug 2008 at 16:40, Doug Nix wrote: Cable is not normally CE marked because it is a component - not apparatus as defined in the directive. To my knowledge there is no 'legitimate' CE mark for cable, only the assemblies into which it is incorporated. There are safety marks, such as those mentioned by Brian, and these are legitimate. -- Doug Nix, A.Sc.T. IEEE PSES Kitchener-Waterloo Section, Ontario, Canada d...@ieee.org mobile (519) 729-5704 fax (519) 653-1318 Find me LinkedIn at http://www.linkedin.com/in/dougnix On Aug 27, 2008, at 16:30, Brian O'Connell wrote: It depends. Is the cable part of a cord-set = an end item, or is it included as part of the end-use equipment ? I do not know of any directives listed by the marking directive that are scoped for mains cables. The LVD would seem to apply (to a cordset) - which includes HD21.x and 60227; and 60320 for the connector/adapter. Came back from a walk in the warehouse (needed to pilfer some other stuff), and the spooled cables do NOT have a 'CE' mark, but have UL, BSI, VDE, and SGS marks. The end-use cordsets did have the 'CE' mark. Seems ok to me, anyone disagree ? luck, Brian -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Kevin Keegan Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:51 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Cable Assemblies for EU Hello Colleagues, Is anyone aware of the safety standards required for CE marking on primary voltage Cable Assemblies and what Directive would apply? Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1637 - Release Date: 8/27/2008 7:01 AM - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher
[SPAM] Cable Assemblies for EU
Hello Colleagues, Is anyone aware of the safety standards required for CE marking on primary voltage Cable Assemblies and what Directive would apply? Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product
No, you will need a test report showing compliance with Industry Canada requirements. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 9 Jun 2008 at 15:58, kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in wrote: Dear Experts, We have tested our ITE device for FCC Part15 Class B compliance in an NVLAP accredited lab. In the same lab for the same device we conducted testing for CISPR22 Class B compliance also. Based on these 2 reports we have issued DoC for placing the device in US EU market. Now the same device we plan to sell in Canada. Do we need another testing or can we issue a DoC based on the FCC CISPR reports. Sincerely                                                          SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. K. Balasubramanian                                         Modules 0506, 0507 0508, D ⬠Block, Manager ⬠Hardware                                        South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 22540020  Ext : 305                       #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) Fax :+91 44 22540029                                       Taramani, Chennai ⬠600113. India E-mail:kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in         Web : http://scmmicro.com â¬ÜThis email and any attachment may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you have received this information in error, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing and using the information. If you are not a named addressee or otherwise an intended recipient you are requested to immediately notify the sender and to delete this email and all attachments from your system.⬠- This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.1.0/1492 - Release Date: 6/9/2008 10:29 AM - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product
This is because the standards are so similar, a test report for ICES003 is still required as well as everything else you mentioned. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 9 Jun 2008 at 8:52, Bill Stumpf wrote: Currently, Industry Canada will accept FCC test data for devices subject to ICES-003. I'd have your test lab provide you a test report for ICES-003 based on the FCC data. Also, be sure that your labeling and information to the user meet IC requirements. You mentioned Declaration of Conformity. DOC and DOC labeling is only applicable to some types of ITE. Bill Stumpf D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc. EMC Testing Consulting 166 South Carter Street Genoa City WI, 53128 262-279-0210 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:22 AM To: kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product No you don't. The latest version is ICES-003 2004 Issue 4. Actually the FCC will accept test data done to CISPR 22 (see CFR 47, Part 15.109 (g)). If the ITE device is an intentional radiator, then the testing site will have to be listed by the FCC and IC. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc 06/09/2008 05:33 Subject AMICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product Dear Experts, We have tested our ITE device for FCC Part15 Class B compliance in an NVLAP accredited lab. In the same lab for the same device we conducted testing for CISPR22 Class B compliance also. Based on these 2 reports we have issued DoC for placing the device in US EU market. Now the same device we plan to sell in Canada. Do we need another testing or can we issue a DoC based on the FCC CISPR reports. Sincerely SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. K. Balasubramanian Modules 0506, 0507 0508, D - Block, Manager - Hardware South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 22540020 Ext : 305 #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) Fax :+91 44 22540029 Taramani, Chennai - 600113. India E- mail:kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Web : http://scmmicro.com 'This email and any attachment may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you have
RE: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product
Bill, Good piece of information. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 9 Jun 2008 at 7:02, Bill Owsley wrote: Another little detail that gets lost in the shuffle is that while the FCC will accept CISPR 22 test data showing comliance to the those limits, the FCC also requires that the tests be done according to ANSI C63.4 which specifies that the mains power bethe usualUSA voltage and frequency; 120vac/60Hz. And so... two tests - FCC CISPR. Annoying details! The MRA's between countries for the EMC regulations is helpful for a common ICES- 003, FCC, CISPR 22, except for the mains power part. It also appears to be necessary since numerous products I've tested have passed at one main voltage and failed at the other. - Bill Stumpf bstu...@dlsemc.com wrote: Currently, Industry Canada will accept FCC test data for devices subject to ICES- 003. I'd have your test lab provide you a test report for ICES-003 based on the FCC data. Also, be sure that your labeling and information to the user meet IC requirements. You mentioned Declaration of Conformity. DOC and DOC labeling is only applicable to some types of ITE. Bill Stumpf D.L.S. Electronic Systems, Inc. EMC Testing Consulting 166 South Carter Street Genoa City WI, 53128 262-279-0210 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation -Original Message- From: emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org] On Behalf Of rehel...@mmm.com Sent: Monday, June 09, 2008 7:22 AM To: kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product No you don't. The latest version is ICES-003 2004 Issue 4. Actually the FCC will accept test data done to CISPR 22 (see CFR 47, Part 15.109 (g)). If the ITE device is an intentional radiator, then the testing site will have to be listed by the FCC and IC. Bob Heller 3M EMC Laboratory, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 === Kbalasubramanian@ scmmicro.co.in Sent by: To emc-p...@ieee.org emc-p...@ieee.org cc 06/09/2008 05:33 Subject AM ICES -003 approval for FCC DoC product Dear Experts, We have tested our ITE device for FCC Part15 Class B compliance in an NVLAP accredited lab. In the same lab for the same device we conducted testing for CISPR22 Class B compliance also. Based on these 2 reports we have issued DoC for placing the device in US EU market. Now the same device we plan to sell in Canada. Do we need another testing or can we issue a DoC based on the FCC CISPR reports. Sincerely SCM Microsystems (India) Pvt. Ltd. K. Balasubramanian Modules 0506, 0507 0508, D - Block, Manager - Hardware South Wing, TIDEL Park, Tel : +91 44 22540020 Ext : 305 #4, Rajiv Gandhi Road,(formerly Canal Bank Road) Fax :+91 44 22540029 Taramani, Chennai - 600113. India E- mail:kbalasubraman...@scmmicro.co.in Web : http://scmmicro.com 'This email and any attachment may contain confidential information and are intended solely for the use of the named recipient(s). If you have received this information in error, you are prohibited from reading, copying, distributing and using the information. If you are not a named addressee or otherwise an intended recipient you are requested to immediately notify the sender and to delete this email and all attachments from your
Re: need for cUL/CSA approvals on 48VDC electrical distribution equipment
Hi Paul, I'm not sure why you are saying UL is not valid in Canada. They are an NRTL and therefore recognized. I agree a cUL would be better if there is a specific requirement difference for Canada. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 5 Jun 2008 at 22:16, Paul Dobrovolny wrote: Hi I'm wondering if there are safety standards, perhaps such as IEC/UL 60950, that requirea safety approvals certification file listing on 48VDCelectrical distribution equipment - i.e. fused disconnect switch, with blown fuse indicator (could be a QIFFI fuse or electronic circuit module). Application is a station battery needinga 1200A disconnect means,with 66 kA short- circuit amps capability. I've found that some OEMs offer only products with UL recognition - which is notvalid in Canada. Other OEMs (even Canadian ones) claim that approvals are unnecessary because 48V is a safe touch voltage (never mind the energy discharge and arc flashhazards!) signed, PERPLEXED Thanks! Please reply directly to: Paul.Dobrovolny at nasittuq.com www.nasittuq.com Work (613) 787-9650 - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee- pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: EMC immunity requirements for medical device in Canada?
Hi Joe, I believe the device could fall under Medical but also would need CSO3 Approval for the modem portion. I suggest you contact Garry Lee at Global Advantage in Toronto as he tests medical products. Regards, Kevin Keegan Senior Associate KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: 613-592-0820 Email: kkee...@kesandassociates.com Web: http://www.kesandassociates.com Regulatory Approval Forum Chairperson IMPORTANT NOTICE: This email is intended only for the individual or entity to which it is specifically addressed and should not be read by, or delivered to, any other person. Such material may contain privileged or confidential information, the disclosure or other use of which by other than the intended recipient may result in the breach of certain laws or the infringement of rights of third parties. If you have received this email in error, please delete it immediately and notify the sender. I thank you in advance for your co-operation and assistance. On 29 May 2008 at 0:17, Joe Randolph wrote: Hello All: I am looking at a device that is used in the home for monitoring various medical parameters (such as blood pressure). This device uploads data to a server via a modem, using a regular phone line. There is some uncertainty whether this device should be treated as ITE or as medical equipment. If it is ITE, there are no EMC immunity requirements for Canada such as static discharge, radiated immunity, EFT, etc. If the device is classified as medical equipment, are there EMC immunity requirements for Canada? If so, what standards are called out? Thanks, Joe Randolph Telecom Design Consultant Randolph Telecom, Inc. 781-721-2848 (USA) j...@randolph-telecom.com http://www.randolph-telecom.com - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. Website: http://www.ieee- pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald: emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list.Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to emc-p...@ieee.org Instructions: http://listserv.ieee.org/request/user-guide.html List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas emcp...@ptcnh.net Mike Cantwell mcantw...@ieee.org For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org David Heald:emc-p...@daveheald.com All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
RE: Canadian requirements for reception of Closed Captioning
Mat/Naftali: There might also be some documents available on the subject with Standards Council of Canada http://www.scc.ca/ Regards Kevin Kevin Keegan KES Associates 1 Stonecroft Terrace Kanata, Ontario Canada K2K 2V1 Tel: + 613-592-0820 email: kkee...@igs.net or kkee...@sympatico.ca This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: emc_p...@symbol.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: SAR Testing
Resent as never posted! Andrew: Get in contact with Kathy MacLean of Aprel, they are experts in the field. k.macl...@aprel.com Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates From: Price, Andrew andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com To: Majordomo (E-mail) majord...@ieee.org; IEEE EMC-PSTC E-mail Forum (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: SAR Testing Help needed. Has anyone carried out or know of anywhere that can carryout SAR testing for a bluetooth transmitter with a power 100mW to 500mW. Regards Andy Andrew Price Principal Development Engineer (EMC Specialist) BAE SYSTEMS Avionics A125 Christopher Martin Road Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL tel: +44 (0) 1268 883308 email: andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: SAR Testing
Resent as never posted! Andrew: Get in contact with Kathy MacLean of Aprel, they are experts in the field. k.macl...@aprel.com Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates From: Price, Andrew andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com To: Majordomo (E-mail) majord...@ieee.org; IEEE EMC-PSTC E-mail Forum (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 5:20 AM Subject: SAR Testing Help needed. Has anyone carried out or know of anywhere that can carryout SAR testing for a bluetooth transmitter with a power 100mW to 500mW. Regards Andy Andrew Price Principal Development Engineer (EMC Specialist) BAE SYSTEMS Avionics A125 Christopher Martin Road Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL tel: +44 (0) 1268 883308 email: andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc From: Price, Andrew andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com To: Majordomo (E-mail) majord...@ieee.org; IEEE EMC-PSTC E-mail Forum (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:20 AM Subject: SAR Testing Help needed. Has anyone carried out or know of anywhere that can carryout SAR testing for a bluetooth transmitter with a power 100mW to 500mW. Regards Andy Andrew Price Principal Development Engineer (EMC Specialist) BAE SYSTEMS Avionics A125 Christopher Martin Road Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL tel: +44 (0) 1268 883308 email: andrew.p.pr...@baesystems.com This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org Archive is being moved, we will announce when it is back on-line. All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieeecommunities.org/emc-pstc
Re: Electrical Safety - Canada
Ditto if your using CSA 950 Kevin Keegan KES Associates Ottawa, Canada From: Cereceres, David dcerece...@pelco.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: RE: Electrical Safety - Canada My understanding is that if you meet the US (UL) requirements you meet the Canadian requirements (cUL). At least that has been what I've experienced when submitting product under UL 6500 and UL 60950. David Cereceres Product Safety Engineer Pelco -Original Message- From: Amund Westin [mailto:am...@westin-emission.no] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 1:54 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: Electrical Safety - Canada In Europe we follow the Low Voltage Directive (LVD) and the it applies in the range 50-1000VAC and 75-1500VDC. A 27VDC operated product will therefore in Europe, not be within the scope of LVD. One reason for this must be that 27VDC is not assumed to be hazardous voltage. How is it in Canada ? I have been told that electrical safety apply even with DC voltage way below 27V if the rated normal current is above a specified level. So it seems that Canada is not strictly bounded to a voltage limit as in Europe, but rather to the amount of energy with can flow into the 27VDC input terminal. Can anybody confirm this ? Best regards Amund Westin Oslo / Norway --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Japan MITI and Telecommunication Certification
John: Take a look at these links. http://www.vcci.or.jp/vcci_e/index.html http://www.jate.or.jp/index-e.html Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates Ontario Canada - Original Message - From: John Smith To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Japan MITI and Telecommunication Certification Can anyone point me to a source of information on Japan certifications? If there is no readily available source of information, can you send me a quick list of the steps for certification in Japan? I am relatively familiar with MITI but have never certified a product for Japan. I have a product that is on the line between being a switch located in a Central Office and a router that would be located in a customer location. Thanks, John
Re: EMC immunity requirements in Canada?
Amund: Industry Canada does not have immunity requirements for Class A/B products. Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates Ottawa Canada - Original Message - From: am...@westin-emission.no To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, September 19, 2002 8:22 AM Subject: EMC immunity requirements in Canada? As far as I remember, US (FCC) do only have emission (radiated / conducted) requirements. What about Canada (IC) do they have immunity requirements in addition ? Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/ NORWAY --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: Cellular Telephone Testing
Peter: Aprel Labs in Ottawa Canada may be able to help. Try www.aprel.com Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates - Original Message - From: Peter Merguerian pmerguer...@itl.co.il To: EMC-PSTC (E-mail) emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Monday, August 05, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Cellular Telephone Testing Dear All, I am looking for test laboratories that can perform cellular phone testing (complete service) for 2.5G and 3G networks. This e-mail message may contain privileged or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not disclose, use, disseminate, distribute, copy or rely upon this message or attachment in any way. If you received this e-mail message in error, please return by forwarding the message and its attachments to the sender. PETER S. MERGUERIAN Technical Director I.T.L. (Product Testing) Ltd. 26 Hacharoshet St., POB 211 Or Yehuda 60251, Israel Tel: + 972-(0)3-5339022 Fax: + 972-(0)3-5339019 Mobile: + 972-(0)54-838175 http://www.itl.co.il http://www.i-spec.com --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@attbi.com For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: LVD - Test lab in EU
Try KTL in the U.K. Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates - Original Message - From: am...@westin-emission.no To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: LVD - Test lab in EU Hi all, We are searching for a test lab in Europe, which can carry out electrical safety tests on a Residual current monitor (earth fault detector). We assume that electrical safety on this unit is covered by the harmonized LVD standard EN62020:1998/IEC62020:1998 Electrical accessories - Residual current monitors for household and similar uses (RCMs). Been in contact with DEMKO/UL (Denmark), SEMKO (Sweden), SP (Sweden) and NEMKO (Norway), but it seems that they have problems with this standard. Any suggestion of other relevant test labs in EU? and contact persons, please ... Best regards Amund Westin, Oslo/Norway --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Ron Pickard: emc-p...@hypercom.com Dave Heald: davehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://ieeepstc.mindcruiser.com/ Click on browse and then emc-pstc mailing list
Re: SAR Test Equipment
Bob: Email Kathy MacLean at Aprel she will be able to assist you. Her email is k.macl...@aprel.com web site www.aprel.com Regards Kevin Keegan KES Associates 613-592-0820 - Original Message - From: rehel...@mmm.com To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: SAR Test Equipment We are looking into SAR testing. Anyone know of manufacturers of SAR test equipment? Bob Heller 3M Product Safety, 76-1-01 St. Paul, MN 55107-1208 Tel: 651- 778-6336 Fax: 651-778-6252 --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server.
Re: My departure
I echo Kate's opinion, I think the group deserves to understand what happened so that these things don't happen in the future. Regards Kevin Kevin Keegan KES Associates - Original Message - From: k.macl...@aprel.com To: chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk; j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 8:40 AM Subject: RE: My departure I agree wholeheartedly with Chris. And I must add that whatever this representation is, it sounds very Draconian to me. Unless John is secretly an Al-Quaeda operative, I cannot see any reason to force him off this group. Could we request a justification from the moderators, please. Regards to all, Kate Kathy M. MacLean President, APREL Laboratories -EMC-RF Safety-Antenna Design/Test-SAR/MPE-SAR/Near-Field Tools-Acoustics-Wireless- 51 Spectrum Way, Nepean, Ontario K2R 1E6 (613) 820-2730 fax (613) 820-4161 cell (613) 791-3777 Web site: http://www.aprel.com - watch for our new web site coming soon! -Original Message- From: Chris Chileshe [mailto:chris.chile...@ultronics.co.uk] Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 6:04 AM To: 'John Woodgate'; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: RE: My departure Any possibility of reconsidering your decision John? I think it would be a real shame to lose John's presence on the list. While it would obviously be possible for us to contact him directly ( and I for one have done so in the past), I have always found it educational to read John's responses to others' queries, and then related it all to my own products. True, there have been times when some of John's responses have been somewhat 'direct' and possibly frightening for the uninitiated newcomer, but a week on the list and you learn to expect responses like: Surely you don't expect us to replicate the entire scope of EN abc on this forum to the less specific queries like: Can someone tell me what EN abc covers but as with all lists it is just a matter of time before you pick up on the different personalities, and learn to expect a certain 'tone' from contributions by the likes of John, The many Chris's, Ken, Bob, Tania, Rich, Ed, Kyle, Amund to mention but a few. One also knows when to expect responses on IT, Audio, Power, Automotive, Marine, Aerospace etc. I would therefore like to appeal to John and the administrator - and indeed to Kofi Annan should he find time in his otherwise busy schedule, to try and work this out for the sake of all of us. Thank you. - Chris -Original Message- From: John Woodgate [SMTP:j...@jmwa.demon.co.uk] Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2001 9:07 PM To: emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org Subject: My departure As a result of representations from one of the administrators, which I consider totally unjustified, I am leaving the group. I regret having to break contact with those that responded favourably to my input. You are free to e-mail me if you wish. -- Regards, John Woodgate, OOO - Own Opinions Only. http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk Eat mink and be dreary! --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org Dave Healddavehe...@mediaone.net For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Jim Bacher: j.bac...@ieee.org All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: No longer online until our new server is brought online and the old messages are imported into the new server. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. _ This message has been checked for all known viruses by Star Internet delivered through the MessageLabs Virus Scanning Service. For further information visit http://www.star.net.uk/stats.asp or alternatively call Star Internet for details on the Virus Scanning Service. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. Visit our web site at: http://www.ewh.ieee.org/soc/emcs/pstc/ To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Michael
