[PSES] Support for Europe Drinking water regulations

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all
I am looking a consultant that has knowledge in Europe Drinking water 
regulations and can support for backflow approval devices according to DVGW, 
Kiwa, WRAS,...
Any one recommendation?
Thank


Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen



Daniel Rodríguez

Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA

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[PSES] ISO 20560-compliant pipe markers

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning, everybody
I have found that there is a global standard for marking piping with colours 
and safety marks

ISO - ISO 20560-1:2020 - Safety information for the content of piping systems 
and tanks - Part 1: Piping systems

Does anyone know if this standard has been transposed to any country 
legislation in Europe? As far as I know there are local standards not unified 
that cover this requirement

Thank you for your answers?

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[PSES] RF exposure minimum exclusion distance

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning, all
We have a router that is installed in industrial environment in a production 
line where normally there are not workers close only for maintenance
According to EU EMF exposure for workers, is there any distance limit that we 
don't need to do an assessment like EN 62311?
I mean, if we can assess in our Risk Assessment that because in normal 
conditions a operator is not close to the unit (approx. 3 meters) we don't need 
to assess for EN 62311?

Thank you very much for your always great answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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[PSES] equipment without CE marked not sold since more than 10 years

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all
I know that CE technical file needs to be kept for 10 years.
If there is an equipment already sold without CE marked since more than 10 
years, do we have the obligation to CE mark?
Or we can say that as it passed 10 years, it expired the obligation to CE mark 
by the manufacturer.

Thank you for your answer!


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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all emails with your advices?
About Pressure Equipment Directive, I have review H-04 and I don’t see any 
indication of Functional Safety??
Thank you

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Did you look at the EU Pressure Equipment Directive 2014/68/EU. They have a 
guideline for it, Read Guideline H-04
It addresses wording in Annex I and Annex III of the PED
< 
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Thanks,
David

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Thank you all!!
Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety check for non 
Machinery?
Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Re: [PSES] Demonstrating Compliance to the LVD w/o using 62368

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Sorry to reopen this topic
The question is the version to apply for EU testing?
1-Last harmonized version is EN IEC 62368-1:2014+AC:2015
2-Last available version is EN IEC 62368-1:2020+A11:2020

Which one shall we test? The equivalent IEC are IEC 62368-1:2014 (ED. 2.0) and 
IEC 62368-1:2018 (ED. 3.0)?
My preference is to test the last available version to avoid future retesting 
next years

Thank you for your answers.


Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen



Daniel Rodríguez

Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA



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Hi Chuck,



The biggest change that I have seen is for touch temperatures. IEC 60950-1 
allows continuous contact with plastic at 75 C. Even glass is allows a 
continuous temperature of 70 C. Imagine using one of those new glass-bodied 
cell phones with it at that temperature. IEC 62368-1 reduces the continuous 
contact temperature limit to 48 C for all materials.



There were probably many older laptop computers with plastic cases that could 
exceed 48 C on the bottom surface during use. Those laptops would not comply 
with IEC 62368-1.



This isn’t the only item to consider, but it’s the one I’m most familiar with. 
There are additional issues related to fire enclosures where a product could 
pass IEC 60950-1 but fail IEC 62368-1 2nd Edition. However, these issues have 
largely be resolved with IEC 62368-1 3rd edition. TC 108 recognized that there 
were many constructions allowed under IEC 60950-1 that were shown to be 
acceptable through years of use, yet disallowed by IEC 62368-1 2nd edition. 
Many issues were resolved with the update.



Ted Eckert

Microsoft Corporation



The opinions experessed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer or TC 108.







From: Chuck August-McDowell 
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62368



Hi Charles,



Only slightly off your topic “Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that 
complies with IEC60950 requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 
62368?“

I work on the audio side so our base standard is 60065. So to rephrase the 
question;

“Has anyone experienced having an audio product that complies with IEC 60065 
requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368? “

I was informed during factory audit the Hipot test voltage changed from 1500 
VAC to 1768 VAC ?



Oh, and outdoor use also changes from IEC 62368 2ed, calls for using 60950-22 
at current editions, which the 2005 edition did not require a dust test, but 
new (required) 2nd edition requires a dust test, where as 60065 required only 
IPX4 testing.



Let the testing begin!



Respectfully,



Chuck August-McDowell





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[EXTERNAL EMAIL]

Has anyone experienced having an ITE product that complies with IEC60950 
requirements, but does not comply with some portions IEC 62368?  In particular 
the use of a non-LPS psu.  Is there some sort of risk analysis that can be done 
to prove up conformance to the directive based on 60950 with or without 
supplemental test??



Thanks in advance

Chuck

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Re: [PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all!!
Any other recommendations how to justify functional safety check for non 
Machinery?
Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Brian is correct regarding risk assessment under 61010-1 (and I had to make, 
and prove, that “point” to my last contract employer – and without doing that, 
some of their products could never be legitimately certified to the previous 
edition of that standard) , but, frankly, the same is true (or should be, even 
if not specifically referenced ) for any safety (and possibly other categories 
of ) standards.

Thus one needs to consider, and prove compliance with, any likely-relevant 
standards, and any “not mentioned in the standard” risks that are unique to 
“your product” , or, otherwise, you may  risk some form of legal action if 
“something goes wrong” and damage /environmental damage / injury /death then 
ensues – “We never thought that could happen” probably won’t “cut the mustard” 
if it comes to a court action, and the penalties may then be very severe.

John E Allen
W. London, UK.

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IEC/EN/UL 61010-1 standard in section 17 states that if there is a hazard not 
addressed by the standard that you must perform a risk assessment.  In a note, 
it lists some Risk Assessment standards, but the most used and current standard 
is the ISO 12100 which calls out many other standards including the ISO 13849-1.

Hope this is helpful.

The Other Brian

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Good morning all
We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro 
valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1
There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas 
detector for that.
The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don’t we need 
to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the Performance Level 
of the Safety Control?

EN 61010-1 doesn’t refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in 
bibliography...

Thank you for your answers!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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[PSES] EN 61010-1 under LVD and Functional safety

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all
We have a system that generates a chemical but without pumps and only electro 
valves as moving part. The system has been checked for EN 61010-1
There is a risk that an hazardous gas release can happen and we have a gas 
detector for that.
The question is that as it is not a Machinery (no moving part) , don't we need 
to apply functional safety under EN 13849-1 and confirm the Performance Level 
of the Safety Control?

EN 61010-1 doesn't refer to functional safety and only list IEC 61508 in 
bibliography...

Thank you for your answers!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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Re: [PSES] Australia: IEC 62368-1 or IEC 61010-1 for controller with radio

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all
The summary is that as AS/NZS 62368-1 is a standard defined by ACMA for radio 
equipment, we will test for this standard, additionally tested for EN 61010-1
Telecommunications (Customer Equipment Safety) Technical Standard 2018 
(legislation.gov.au)<https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/F2018L01725/Explanatory%20Statement/Text>

Perhaps in the future it will good to test an industrial controller with radio 
communication only for EN 62368-1 as a safety standard. Any one has a concern 
about this?

Thank you

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Daniel,  The world gets more complicated by the day.  This is both the exciting 
technologically challenging part of this work as well as the difficult, 
slogging regulatory stuff, too.

   Historically, 40 years ago,  61010 & 60950 (now 62368) were 
designed by folks working in overlapping businesses who understood that these 
two standards were aimed at providing safe electronic equipment (contrasted to 
electrical equipment).  61010 for commercial and industrial electronic 
equipment and 60950/62368 for consumer & commercial electronic equipment.  The 
products used the same components and techniques in the design for products so 
the requirements needed to be the same.  At the time there was consideration of 
making this one standard for all this equipment but this was a bridge too far.

   Today, electronics have been incorporated in many products, the 
term IoT (Internet of Things) describes this phenomenon well.

   Now this leaves us with a couple of choices; everything 
electronic goes into one or two standards or electronic devices are accepted in 
all product standards.  For the latter there has to be consideration as to the 
additional issues arising from the electronic portions, including the radio.

   I believe that the there needs to be the latitude to include 
complex digital electronic systems in any product.  in addition to the usual 
electronic controls and displays used, electronic motor controllers (VSDs) are 
becoming more popular in consumer equipment.  If the product standards are too 
slow to incorporate the needed safeguards for these electronic systems then it 
is not unreasonable to apply other requirements for them (think 61010 or 62368) 
but this should be the exception. I would believe.  This is a messy solution 
tho.

I have worked on a 'smart Relocatable Power Tap', an IoT combination which was 
to be certified to North American and European CB safety standards (specific 
outlet sockets for each market).  There was considerable negotiation with the 
safety test lab to get them to cooperate between their internal groups on the 
evaluation and ensure that any needed test was only run once.  The project 
covered the power delivery requirements as well as the electronic systems 
(including the radio) and, altho complex, went pretty well after that.
The EMC evaluation was straightforward, the RED evaluation was comprehensive 
covering all the needed requirements.

It would seem to me that you have properly evaluated your device and the radio 
requirements should not bring about a separate evaluation.  Are you prepared to 
defend your position in that regard?

   In your Australian case, this can only be clarified by the AU 
authorities who need to explain what they mean by the requirement.

   Perhaps, when this is resolved, you can provide all of us with 
an update as to how it is resolved.

:>) br,  Pete

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Subject: [PSES] Australia: IEC 62368-1 or IEC 61010-1 for controller with radio

Good day to all!!

We have a industrial controller with radio capabilities (4G, Wi-Fi) that is 
tested for IEC 61010-1:2010.

1.Related to safety do we n

[PSES] Retesting needed for EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019??

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all

I have just reviewed the EN 61010-1:2010/A1:2019 and there a lot of changes. 
Most of them seems clarifications but I am not sure if we need to retest 
equipment checked for EN 61010-1:2010 to add A1:2029
Does anyone have a clear picture:
1.if retesting is required
2.if yes there is any cases that not (or which clauses requires testing)

Thank you for your answers!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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[PSES] Australia: IEC 62368-1 or IEC 61010-1 for controller with radio

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good day to all!!

We have a industrial controller with radio capabilities (4G, Wi-Fi) that is 
tested for IEC 61010-1:2010.

1.Related to safety do we need to test for IEC 62368-1? According to the below 
ACMA Telecommunication Labelling Notice is required

2.If we have the radio modules approved for that standard, can we use that for 
compliance evidence?

It is confusing for me that we test the equipment for two different safety 
standards (IEC 61010-1 and IEC 62368-1). Normally we are using IEC 61010-1 for 
a controller and now Australia requires also IEC 62368-1

Thank you for your answer if you are able to support!!


IEC 62368-1 will only become mandatory in Australia when called up under the 
ACMA's Telecommunications Labelling Notice. It will eventually address 
requirements for acoustic safety which are currently under development within 
the IEC. Until such time the applicable Australian acoustic safety requirements 
will remain in AS/ACIF S004 and AS/CA S042.1
Communications Alliance - 3.13 Health and safety 
(commsalliance.com.au)

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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[PSES] UKCA MACHINERY-Address of technical file owner

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning everybody
I have a question related to information of person to contact for technical 
file for equipment placed in UK according to Supply of Machinery (Safety) 
Regulations 2008 that needs to be indicated in the UK DoC
If the UK legislation is similar to Machinery Directive, this person should be 
in the UK. But I have found the following link that indicates that can be 
everywhere

Can someone confirm the legislation link behind this ?
Thank you for your support!

https://www.machinebuilding.net/brexit-implications-for-machine-builders
"Whereas CE marking requires a person established in the EEA to be named on the 
DoC or DoI, there is no such requirement in the draft 'Mega SI' (statutory 
instrument) that is converting much EU law into UK law post-Brexit; in fact, 
the person authorised to compile the technical file can be anywhere in the 
world. The technical file must, however, be in English"


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Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good afternoon all
Going back to this question, I found below plug approved BS1363, fixed and with 
a BSI Kitemark Licence No. KM 23223
Do you think it is appropriate for use even is adaptor?
Thank you

https://www.powerconnections.co.uk/convert_eurotouk_scp3.htm

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On 19 Nov 2020, at 15:15, MIKE SHERMAN 
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For Switzerland, the adaptor must be certified to SEV1011 and must be "fixed." 
Be aware that most "travel adaptors" are not certified and are not fixed.
I found the authorities in Switzerland to be quite helpful; contact me directly 
for more information.
Mike Sherman
Graco Inc.
On 11/19/2020 8:49 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
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Good morning all
I got from engineering that they want to provide a plug adaptor for Europe 
plugs instead of adding the cord and each European plug (UK, Germany, 
Switzerland,). This is only for professional use as the user is trained

I know that it is not advisable and the best is to use a IEC 60320 connector 
but...
Do you know if there any EU country regulation that forbids expressly to use 
it? If yes can you provide the link

Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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Re: [PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you every body for your support
Then the summary is accepted but with the right certifications.
Switzerland certified to SEV1011 and must be "fixed" (I understand that cannot 
easily removed)
UK certified for BS 1363

Do you know if they are any similar requirement for  France & German?
Thank you for your support and happy holidays for USA members!


Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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On 19 Nov 2020, at 15:15, MIKE SHERMAN 
mailto:msherma...@comcast.net>> wrote:

For Switzerland, the adaptor must be certified to SEV1011 and must be "fixed." 
Be aware that most "travel adaptors" are not certified and are not fixed.
I found the authorities in Switzerland to be quite helpful; contact me directly 
for more information.
Mike Sherman
Graco Inc.
On 11/19/2020 8:49 AM Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) 
<123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org<mailto:123de38bd494-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ieee.org>>
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Good morning all
I got from engineering that they want to provide a plug adaptor for Europe 
plugs instead of adding the cord and each European plug (UK, Germany, 
Switzerland,). This is only for professional use as the user is trained

I know that it is not advisable and the best is to use a IEC 60320 connector 
but...
Do you know if there any EU country regulation that forbids expressly to use 
it? If yes can you provide the link

Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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[PSES] TRAVEL ADAPTORS-EU regulation that forbids use in professional equipment?

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all
I got from engineering that they want to provide a plug adaptor for Europe 
plugs instead of adding the cord and each European plug (UK, Germany, 
Switzerland,). This is only for professional use as the user is trained

I know that it is not advisable and the best is to use a IEC 60320 connector 
but...
Do you know if there any EU country regulation that forbids expressly to use 
it? If yes can you provide the link

Thank you for your support!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

Daniel Rodríguez
Sr. Equipment Compliance Specialist EMEA
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E drodrig...@ecolab.com
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[PSES] EN 61010-1 ANNEX E POLLUTION DEGREE REDUCTION

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning everybody

There is a table E.2 related to Reduction of Pollution Degrees in EN 61010-1.
I am a little confuse how to use ☹
For example: If we have equipment in Pollution Degree 3 environment and we want 
test internally for Pollution Degree 2, we need to use an enclosure IPx7 or 
IPx8 as a minimum but only in uncontrolled environment type B. Right?
Is this the only solution to use tested equipment for Pollution Degree 2 in 
Pollution Degree environment (Industrial)??

Thank you for your answer
I wish you a nice weekend


Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen

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Re: [PSES] Radio Equipment Directive radio equipment at trade fairs, demonstrations

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you Andreas but this link is for the short term use of frequencies that 
normally requires a license. My question is about testing equipment that is not 
fully compliance with Radio Equipment Directive but has a radio transmitter 
inside that is compliance with harmonized frequencies and power transmission 
limit.

Do we still require to notify the authorities? Which is the link?
Or if the radio transmitter inside is compliance for the harmonized frequencies 
is not needed?

OFCOM link provided by Charlie (Thank you!) seems to be related also to short 
term use of frequencies

Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


From: Graevinghoff Andreas (ETAS/NE) 
Sent: Friday, 13 March 2020 17:49
To: Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] Radio Equipment Directive radio equipment at trade fairs, 
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Hello Daniel,

For Germany, you will find everything (rules, forms, …) at the following link:

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Mit freundlichen Grüßen / Best regards,

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Sent: Friday, 13 March, 2020 17:23
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Subject: [PSES] Radio Equipment Directive radio equipment at trade fairs, 
demonstrations

Good morningall
Radio Equipment Directive requires that equipment for demonstration not CE 
marked requires notification to the local authorities (I suppose local spectrum 
authority). I though that if you can use the harmonized frequencies at the 
limit power, is not needed authorization by authorities…

Does anyone experience in contacting spectrum authorities in the country like 
UK or Germany for asking for authorization of a demonstration of radio 
equipment?
Which are the documentation and date that we need to provide?
Is there a webpage  (for example in UK and Germany) or it is just asking by 
email to the spectrum authorities?

Thank you for your feedback!




1.5 Special measures regarding radio equipment at trade fairs, etc.
According to Chapter 2.3 of the Blue Guide, placing on the market is considered 
not to take place where a product is displayed or operated under controlled 
conditions at trade fairs, exhibitions or demonstrations.

Article 9.2 of the RED contains the following details on the conditions 
applicable at trade fairs, exhibitions or demonstrations:

 A visible sign clearly indicates that such radio equipment may not be made 
available on the market or put into service until it has been brought into 
conformity with this Directive;

 Demonstration of radio equipment may only take place provided that adequate 
measures, as prescribed by Member States, have been taken to avoid harmful 
interference, electromagnetic disturbances and risk to the health or safety of 
persons or of domestic animals or to property.

If the radio equipment contains a transmitter, the relevant national spectrum 
authorities have to be contacted if a manufacturer wishes to demonstrate the 
use of such equipment

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[PSES] Radio Equipment Directive radio equipment at trade fairs, demonstrations

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morningall
Radio Equipment Directive requires that equipment for demonstration not CE 
marked requires notification to the local authorities (I suppose local spectrum 
authority). I though that if you can use the harmonized frequencies at the 
limit power, is not needed authorization by authorities…

Does anyone experience in contacting spectrum authorities in the country like 
UK or Germany for asking for authorization of a demonstration of radio 
equipment?
Which are the documentation and date that we need to provide?
Is there a webpage  (for example in UK and Germany) or it is just asking by 
email to the spectrum authorities?

Thank you for your feedback!




1.5 Special measures regarding radio equipment at trade fairs, etc.
According to Chapter 2.3 of the Blue Guide, placing on the market is considered 
not to take place where a product is displayed or operated under controlled 
conditions at trade fairs, exhibitions or demonstrations.

Article 9.2 of the RED contains the following details on the conditions 
applicable at trade fairs, exhibitions or demonstrations:

 A visible sign clearly indicates that such radio equipment may not be made 
available on the market or put into service until it has been brought into 
conformity with this Directive;

 Demonstration of radio equipment may only take place provided that adequate 
measures, as prescribed by Member States, have been taken to avoid harmful 
interference, electromagnetic disturbances and risk to the health or safety of 
persons or of domestic animals or to property.

If the radio equipment contains a transmitter, the relevant national spectrum 
authorities have to be contacted if a manufacturer wishes to demonstrate the 
use of such equipment

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez



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Re: [PSES] CE marking quality manufacturing requirements

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morningRegan
I agree with you that most manufacturers don’t conduct audits
In my opinion I recommend the following actions

  1.  Implement safety test in the production. For example Annex F of  EN 
61010-1:2010 indicate some routine test
  2.  Spot check. Select a sample of a batch and perform a representative test 
(for example Radiated Emissions for EMC)
But at the end is manufacturer responsibility to decide what level of test to 
do.

I hope that it helps. Let me know if you have additional questions.

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez


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Regan

CE marking of course applies to all products manufactured on an ongoing basis, 
and the requirement you refer to is in the Directives

Quoting from the LVD as an example (Annex III, Module A)


3. Manufacturing
The manufacturer shall take all measures necessary so that the manufacturing 
process and its monitoring ensure compliance of the manufactured electrical 
equipment with the technical documentation referred to in point 2 and with the 
requirements of this Directive that apply to it.

To which the LVD guide adds

The manufacturer has to ensure, that the manufacturing process permanently 
leads to compliant electrical equipment. One means to achieve this could be a 
supervised QM-System.

You as the manufacturer need to decide what is prudent, for example:

  *   NRTL audits generally concern themselves with safety critical components 
– which assists with safety, but doesn’t cover EMC
  *   Alternative components may well meet all necessary safety standards and 
have equivalent electrical performance for EMC compliance, but what about RoHS?

The manufacturing quote is similar in the EMC Directive: Annex II, Module A, 
section 4

Regards
Charlie


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From: Regan Arndt mailto:reganar...@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [PSES] CE marking quality manufacturing requirements

Greetings team members,

I seem to recall somewhere either in a directive or the blue guide where it 
states (or implies) that part of the CE marking requirements entails that the 
manufacture must have a product quality system/production control..and 
this is where I need clarification: Does it imply that the quality system 
entail that one must conduct an internal product safety audit (or the like) to 
reassure themselves that there has been no deviation to the product 
design/documentation that originally supported their CE marking 
testing/declaration.

Note that I am not referring to the module conformity assessment protocol which 
involves a notified body, but just the simple self-declaration scheme. My 
search always seems to point me towards the notified body modules section, 
where they say that the 3rd party conducts factory audits, etc. but there is 
nothing that states this for the non-notified body involvement.

If there is no such production verification audit required, would it not be 
prudent to do this? ….just like the NRTL program? My experience indicates that 
most manufacturers do not conduct internal product audits relating to CE 
marking unless they forced to because they also have a certification mark on 
the product (i.e. NRTL program or other certification scheme via a Notified 
Body).

Thanks for any help you can provide me with an official exact 
clause/text/excerpt from the OJ, guides and/or directives.

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Re: [PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you Dave and John for your answers.

The question is if the equipment is a control panel made of off-the-shelf 
components with UL/CE mark,
1. then UL 508A should be enough or do we need to apply UL 61010-1 or NFPA79?
2. In the case of Europe, EN 60204-1 should be enough then?

Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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UL 508A is intended to cover the control panel itself while 61010-1 applies to 
the "equipment" it is used in.That being said I have had NRTLs apply 508A 
to machinery "equipment" using such control panels (not separately listed) 
because they have to use "some" UL standard for an NRTL listing, and use NFPA 
79 for the equipment standard.  NFPA 79 is harmonized with EN 60204-1.
-Dave

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Subject: Re: [PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment


Hello, Daniel. The word is actually 'criterion', 'criteria' is plural.

UL508A seems to be restricted to something that switches other things on or 
off, or alters their operating modes.  UL61010-1 is for something that sends 
analog or digital control values, such as heater temperature or rate of 
rotation, to other things. If your panel does that, 61010-1 applies.

Best wishes and seasonal felicitations

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On 2019-12-13 08:50, Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP) wrote:
Good morningall
I have a industrial control equipment with sensors and flowmeters made in an 
electrical panel of standard components.
Is there a criteria to use UL508A or UL61010-1?

It seems that UL508A is applicable for:
This equipment consists of assemblies of two or more power circuit components, 
such as motor
controllers, overload relays, fused disconnect switches, and circuit breakers, 
or control circuit
components, such as pushbuttons, pilot lights, selector switches, timers, and 
control relays, or a
combination of power and control circuit components, with associated wiring, 
and terminals . These
components are mounted on, or contained within, an enclosure, or are mounted on 
a sub-panel.

And UL61010-1 is for
Electrical industrial process-control equipment
This is equipment which controls one or more output quantities to specific 
values, with
each value determined by manual setting, by local or remote programming, or by 
one or
more input variables.

But it is not clear if a industrial panel made of UL approved components needs 
to be certified for UL508A or can be UL61010-1? Or there is any restriction

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] UL508A vs UL61010-1 for control and monitoring equipment

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morningall
I have a industrial control equipment with sensors and flowmeters made in an 
electrical panel of standard components.
Is there a criteria to use UL508A or UL61010-1?

It seems that UL508A is applicable for:
This equipment consists of assemblies of two or more power circuit components, 
such as motor
controllers, overload relays, fused disconnect switches, and circuit breakers, 
or control circuit
components, such as pushbuttons, pilot lights, selector switches, timers, and 
control relays, or a
combination of power and control circuit components, with associated wiring, 
and terminals . These
components are mounted on, or contained within, an enclosure, or are mounted on 
a sub-panel.

And UL61010-1 is for
Electrical industrial process-control equipment
This is equipment which controls one or more output quantities to specific 
values, with
each value determined by manual setting, by local or remote programming, or by 
one or
more input variables.

But it is not clear if a industrial panel made of UL approved components needs 
to be certified for UL508A or can be UL61010-1? Or there is any restriction

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] Class Div: Safe flashpoint for a tank installation

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morningall

When do you consider that flashpoint of a liquid can produce an explosion and 
then needs to be Class Div?. See below some flammable liquid classification.
Liquid with a flashpoint more than 140 ºF are considered safe or do we need to 
go over 200ºF?. Always considering that are in a tank and we are not heating it

Thank you for your answer and I wish you a nice weekend

According to NFPA 497 liquids are classified as below

3.3.6 Flammable Liquid. Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point below 
100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the test procedures and apparatus set forth in 
NFPA 30 and a Reid
vapor pressure that does not exceed an absolute pressure of 40 psi (276 kPa) at 
100°F (37.8°C), as determined by ASTM D323, Standard Test Method for Vapor 
Pressure of Petroleum Products (Reid Method).

3.3.4 Combustible Liquid. Any liquid that has a closed-cup flash point at or 
above 100°F (37.8°C), as determined by the test procedures and apparatus set 
forth in NFPA 30. Combustible liquids are classified in accordance with the 
following:
(1) Class II Liquid - Any liquid that has a flash point at or above 100°F 
(37.8°C) and below 140°F (60°C);
(2) Class III Liquid - Any liquid that has a flash point at or above 140°F 
(60°C);
(a) Class IIIA Liquid - Any liquid that has a flash point at or above 140°F 
(60°C), but below 200°F (93°C);
(b) Class IIIB Liquid - Any liquid that has a flash point at or above 200°F 
(93°C).


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Re: [PSES] Electrical equipment in an EU ship

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you all for your answers!

But the equipment is not in the list of equipment that requires Wheel Mark…Then 
I can assume that it is need to have only normal regulations/directives (EMC, 
LVD, RoHS)

Thank you

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Good morning   all
Is there any regulation specifically for equipment to an EU ship apart of 
normal regulations/directives (EMC, LVD, RoHS)?
Consider that this equipment is not lifesaving, marine pollution, fire 
protection, navigation equipment, radio communication. Just soap dosing system 
for washing machines.

Thank you for your answers!!

I wish you nice day!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
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[PSES] Electrical equipment in an EU ship

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning   all
Is there any regulation specifically for equipment to an EU ship apart of 
normal regulations/directives (EMC, LVD, RoHS)?
Consider that this equipment is not lifesaving, marine pollution, fire 
protection, navigation equipment, radio communication. Just soap dosing system 
for washing machines.

Thank you for your answers!!

I wish you nice day!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] Trial of units compliance but without FCC Id

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning all

There is any FCC rule that allows temporary deploy a limited number of devices 
for customer testing with you FCC Id?. This device has been tested and pass  by 
the lab but is pending of review by the TCB. I mean to conduct a limited trial 
of units that are compliance but without FCC Id label

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Re: [PSES] 61010-1, UL/CSA to IEC

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning Frank
The answer is that is no if you want to be compliance with the EU Directives:

-UL 61010-1 is the US version of the IEC61010-1. You need to test the equipment 
for the EN61010-1:2010 which is the IEC61010-1 with the EU national deviations. 
UL and EN have the same root standard (IEC) then you can use part of the UL 
test for the EN test report
-As Lauren indicates depending of the equipment you need to show compliance 
with other EU Directives like EMC or RoHS as a minimum

I hope that it helps. Let me know if you need more information.

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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Hi Frank,

I think more information is needed to give you a useful answer … of course, it 
can be shipped, and probably successfully imported and placed on the market, 
but maybe not in compliance with applicable regulations and directives.

I’m assuming if you pad out your question it is more like “Can a XYZ product be 
declared compliant with the QRS directive if it has passed an evaluation to 
UL/CSA 61010-1?”

In the context of that assumption, if you can reasonably argue/document the UL 
version adequately addresses the essential requirements of the directive(s) in 
question, then ‘yes’. Directives don’t require one to use harmonized standards, 
they just afford the harmonized standards a presumption of conformity.

(Note: ‘ENs’ are harmonized, not ‘IECs’ – and sometimes there are objective 
differences between the two… I do not know if that is the case for 61010-1)

But, of course, passing a UL 61010-1 evaluation is not a sufficient basis for 
declaring compliance to the RoHS directive.

Regards,
-Lauren

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Hi All,
If a product was evaluated to UL/CSA 61010-1 can EUT ship to EU nations?
If not, can UL/CSA test report data be leveraged for IEC-61010 evaluation?

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Re: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Thank you Robison for your reply!!

Then the summary is that a industrial controller to be used in  Class 1 Div 2 
needs to have NTRL approval for Hazloc and ordinary location. A self 
certification by the manufacturer for Hazloc is not accepted.

Which point of the regulation indicates it?
Perhaps below?

1910.307<https://www.osha.gov/pls/oshaweb/owadisp.show_document?p_table=STANDARDS_id=9884>
 - Hazardous (classified) locations
307(b) - Equipment, wiring methods, and installations of equipment in hazardous 
(classified) locations shall be intrinsically safe, approved for the hazardous 
(classified) location, or safe or for the hazardous (classified) location.

Thank you for your answer

Kind Regards
Daniel Rodríguez

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Daniel,

Generally yes, the product must be certified by a NRTL, however I seem to 
recall seeing some enclosures that were approved with certain assumptions on 
the internal equipment that you might be able to rely on the enclosure 
certification.  Keep in mind that the equipment also needs to meet normal 
location requirements.

If you have any questions about the NRTL program, feel free to reach out to me 
at my office robinson.ke...@dol.gov<mailto:robinson.ke...@dol.gov> or 
202-693-1911 as I manage the NTRL program for OSHA.

Kevin Robinson


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Subject: [PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

Good morning every body!!

In USA it is mandatory that Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure is 
reviewED by a NTRL lab?
If it mandatory where I can find it?
Or with the enclosure certificate is enough?

I wish you a nice day!
Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure requires NTRL?

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning every body!!

In USA it is mandatory that Class 1 Div 2 in a pressurized enclosure is 
reviewED by a NTRL lab?
If it mandatory where I can find it?
Or with the enclosure certificate is enough?

I wish you a nice day!
Thank you for your answers

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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[PSES] ROHS for non-electrical components

[Rodriguez, Daniel (ESP)]

Good morning

I have an equipment that is an electrical cabinet with standard breakers, 
valves, PLC and pumps and non electrical components like piping and enclosure 
that it is placed in the market as an unit

Can be consider according to EU ROHS Q (see below) that the non metallic 
parts like piping is outside of scope as they are not EEE and integrated part 
of the electrical components like PLC?

http://ec.europa.eu/environment/waste/rohs_eee/events_rohs3_en.htm
In order for a product to be EEE, its electricity dependent functions must in 
principle be integrated.
For the example of a wardrobe with lights, even if sold as a single unit, a 
distinction between the piece of furniture and the electric/electronic device 
the piece is or can be equipped with has to be drawn. If the lighting is EEE in 
itself and both the lighting and the wardrobe can be separated and used as 
fully functional separate products, only the electric/electronic equipment (the 
lighting) is in the RoHS 2 scope. The furniture itself would then be outside 
the scope.

Thank you for your answers!!

Kind Regards / Saludos cordiales / Mit freundlichen Grüßen
Daniel Rodríguez

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