Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
It may also be significant that the Council of Europe disbanded the committee that produced that resolution. Post hoc is not necessarily propter hoc, but on the other hand, it often is. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-06 16:29, Pete Perkins wrote: It’s easy to raise questions regarding results derived from data without providing the technical detail and the arguments refuting the original results. This technique needs to be rejected outright and only pay attention to substantive arguments backed by data; the complainer should start the argument with the folks who have published their data and work to change their mind; then we will accept the new limits announced by INCIRP. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 IEEE Life Fellow p.perk...@ieee.org <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> *From:*John Woodgate *Sent:* Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:25 PM *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID The Wikipedia page repeats part of the Buss document, which cites no figures, not even any verifiable evidence. The resulting Council resolution, while recommending ALARA, is overall typically alarmist and even anti-science in its approach. Let us all now don our tinfoil hats. The probity of ICNIRP can be investigated at: https://www.icnirp.org/en/about-icnirp/funding-governance/index.html It should be noted that IEEE concluded that recommended limits higher than those of ICNIRP are acceptable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-05 20:35, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com <mailto:gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com> wrote: Respectfully acknowledged. However, the following needs to be taken into consideration. With the advent of 5G, this becomes an increasingly urgent issue that demands sorting out. (Alarm klaxons sounding) SPAM.really? *** Despite or because of the wide use of ICNIRP guidance, it also encounters criticism. The Council of Europe says: "it is most curious, to say the least, that the applicable official threshold values for limiting the health impact of extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields and high frequency waves were drawn up and proposed to international political institutions (WHO, European Commission, governments) by the ICNIRP, an NGO whose origin and structure are none too clear and which is furthermore suspected of having rather close links with the industries whose expansion is shaped by recommendations for maximum threshold values for the different frequencies of electromagnetic fields".[3] See also Mobile phone radiation and health International Radiation Protection Association - IRPA References [1]"Framework for Developing Health-Based EMF Standards" (pdf). World Health Organization. Retrieved 7 January 2011. [2]"WHO - International Organizations". Retrieved 27 October 2012. [3]Huss, Jean (2011-05-06). "B. Explanatory memorandum by Mr Huss, rapporteur - Section 7. Technological progress and economic growth at the expense of environment and health protection - Subsection 29". The potential dangers of electromagnetic fields and their effect on the environment - Report - Doc. 12608. Council of Europe - Parliamentary Assembly - Committee on the Environment, Agriculture and Local and Regional Affairs. Retrieved 2013-04-10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_on_Non-Ionizing_Radiation_Protection *** Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting On Wed, 4/4/18, John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> wrote: Subject: Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID To:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 3:59 PM As is usual with these things, about 20% of the words are justified, the rest are not, or vice versa. For example, in the first citation, the first 7 words are not justified by any peer-reviewed research reports, the rest are largely true. In the second citation, the first 14 words are asserted without proof. In the third citation, the words 'produced by EMF exposures' and 'of EMFs' are asserted without proof. The sentence without these words is claimed to be true. In the fourth statement, the words 'reduce the harmful effects of EMFs' are superfluous; everyone knows that the rest of the sentence is tr
Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
It’s easy to raise questions regarding results derived from data without providing the technical detail and the arguments refuting the original results. This technique needs to be rejected outright and only pay attention to substantive arguments backed by data; the complainer should start the argument with the folks who have published their data and work to change their mind; then we will accept the new limits announced by INCIRP. :>) br, Pete Peter E Perkins, PE Principal Product Safety & Regulatory Affairs Consultant PO Box 23427 Tigard, ORe 97281-3427 503/452-1201 IEEE Life Fellow <mailto:p.perk...@ieee.org> p.perk...@ieee.org From: John Woodgate Sent: Thursday, April 5, 2018 1:25 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID The Wikipedia page repeats part of the Buss document, which cites no figures, not even any verifiable evidence. The resulting Council resolution, while recommending ALARA, is overall typically alarmist and even anti-science in its approach. Let us all now don our tinfoil hats. The probity of ICNIRP can be investigated at: https://www.icnirp.org/en/about-icnirp/funding-governance/index.html It should be noted that IEEE concluded that recommended limits higher than those of ICNIRP are acceptable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-05 20:35, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com <mailto:gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com> wrote: Respectfully acknowledged. However, the following needs to be taken into consideration. With the advent of 5G, this becomes an increasingly urgent issue that demands sorting out. (Alarm klaxons sounding) SPAM.really? *** Despite or because of the wide use of ICNIRP guidance, it also encounters criticism. The Council of Europe says: "it is most curious, to say the least, that the applicable official threshold values for limiting the health impact of extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields and high frequency waves were drawn up and proposed to international political institutions (WHO, European Commission, governments) by the ICNIRP, an NGO whose origin and structure are none too clear and which is furthermore suspected of having rather close links with the industries whose expansion is shaped by recommendations for maximum threshold values for the different frequencies of electromagnetic fields".[3] See also Mobile phone radiation and health International Radiation Protection Association - IRPA References [1]"Framework for Developing Health-Based EMF Standards" (pdf). World Health Organization. Retrieved 7 January 2011. [2]"WHO - International Organizations". Retrieved 27 October 2012. [3]Huss, Jean (2011-05-06). "B. Explanatory memorandum by Mr Huss, rapporteur - Section 7. Technological progress and economic growth at the expense of environment and health protection - Subsection 29". The potential dangers of electromagnetic fields and their effect on the environment - Report - Doc. 12608. Council of Europe - Parliamentary Assembly - Committee on the Environment, Agriculture and Local and Regional Affairs. Retrieved 2013-04-10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_on_Non-Ionizing_Radiation_Protection *** Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting On Wed, 4/4/18, John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> wrote: Subject: Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 3:59 PM As is usual with these things, about 20% of the words are justified, the rest are not, or vice versa. For example, in the first citation, the first 7 words are not justified by any peer-reviewed research reports, the rest are largely true. In the second citation, the first 14 words are asserted without proof. In the third citation, the words 'produced by EMF exposures' and 'of EMFs' are asserted without proof. The sentence without these words is claimed to be true. In the fourth statement, the words 'reduce the harmful effects of EMFs' are superfluous; everyone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 20:41, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com <mailto:gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com> wrote: Re: Expo
Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
The Wikipedia page repeats part of the Buss document, which cites no figures, not even any verifiable evidence. The resulting Council resolution, while recommending ALARA, is overalltypically alarmist and even anti-science in its approach. Let us all now don our tinfoil hats. The probity of ICNIRP can be investigated at: https://www.icnirp.org/en/about-icnirp/funding-governance/index.html It should be noted that IEEE concluded that recommended limits higher than those of ICNIRP are acceptable. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-05 20:35, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com wrote: Respectfully acknowledged. However, the following needs to be taken into consideration. With the advent of 5G, this becomes an increasingly urgent issue that demands sorting out. (Alarm klaxons sounding) SPAM.really? *** Despite or because of the wide use of ICNIRP guidance, it also encounters criticism. The Council of Europe says: "it is most curious, to say the least, that the applicable official threshold values for limiting the health impact of extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields and high frequency waves were drawn up and proposed to international political institutions (WHO, European Commission, governments) by the ICNIRP, an NGO whose origin and structure are none too clear and which is furthermore suspected of having rather close links with the industries whose expansion is shaped by recommendations for maximum threshold values for the different frequencies of electromagnetic fields".[3] See also Mobile phone radiation and health International Radiation Protection Association - IRPA References [1]"Framework for Developing Health-Based EMF Standards" (pdf). World Health Organization. Retrieved 7 January 2011. [2]"WHO - International Organizations". Retrieved 27 October 2012. [3]Huss, Jean (2011-05-06). "B. Explanatory memorandum by Mr Huss, rapporteur - Section 7. Technological progress and economic growth at the expense of environment and health protection - Subsection 29". The potential dangers of electromagnetic fields and their effect on the environment - Report - Doc. 12608. Council of Europe - Parliamentary Assembly - Committee on the Environment, Agriculture and Local and Regional Affairs. Retrieved 2013-04-10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_on_Non-Ionizing_Radiation_Protection *** Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting On Wed, 4/4/18, John Woodgate wrote: Subject: Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 3:59 PM As is usual with these things, about 20% of the words are justified, the rest are not, or vice versa. For example, in the first citation, the first 7 words are not justified by any peer-reviewed research reports, the rest are largely true. In the second citation, the first 14 words are asserted without proof. In the third citation, the words 'produced by EMF exposures' and 'of EMFs' are asserted without proof. The sentence without these words is claimed to be true. In the fourth statement, the words 'reduce the harmful effects of EMFs' are superfluous; everyone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 20:41, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: Exposure Limits Thought I would post this to the group as it has been the subject of debate for many years. I found it Interesting as it gets into the mechanisms at work and symptoms while underscoring the importance of our work. Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAINED http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/09/03/electromagnetic-fields-harmful-effects.aspx September 03, 2017 • 148,493 views Story at-a-glance - Exposure to microwave EMFs, like cellphones, causes massive mitochondrial dysfunction due to damage done by free radicals from peroxynitrite that also cause single and double stranded breaks in your DNA - Excessive free radicals triggered by low-frequency microwave exposure from cellphones and Wi-Fi networks have been linked to chronic diseases such as cardiac arrhythmias, anxiety, depression, autism, Alzheimer’s and infertility - Excessive calcium signaling produced by EMF exposures also has important roles in producing p
Re: [PSES] [SPAM?] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Respectfully acknowledged. However, the following needs to be taken into consideration. With the advent of 5G, this becomes an increasingly urgent issue that demands sorting out. (Alarm klaxons sounding) SPAM.really? *** Despite or because of the wide use of ICNIRP guidance, it also encounters criticism. The Council of Europe says: "it is most curious, to say the least, that the applicable official threshold values for limiting the health impact of extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields and high frequency waves were drawn up and proposed to international political institutions (WHO, European Commission, governments) by the ICNIRP, an NGO whose origin and structure are none too clear and which is furthermore suspected of having rather close links with the industries whose expansion is shaped by recommendations for maximum threshold values for the different frequencies of electromagnetic fields".[3] See also Mobile phone radiation and health International Radiation Protection Association - IRPA References [1]"Framework for Developing Health-Based EMF Standards" (pdf). World Health Organization. Retrieved 7 January 2011. [2]"WHO - International Organizations". Retrieved 27 October 2012. [3]Huss, Jean (2011-05-06). "B. Explanatory memorandum by Mr Huss, rapporteur - Section 7. Technological progress and economic growth at the expense of environment and health protection - Subsection 29". The potential dangers of electromagnetic fields and their effect on the environment - Report - Doc. 12608. Council of Europe - Parliamentary Assembly - Committee on the Environment, Agriculture and Local and Regional Affairs. Retrieved 2013-04-10. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Commission_on_Non-Ionizing_Radiation_Protection *** Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting On Wed, 4/4/18, John Woodgate wrote: Subject: Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Date: Wednesday, April 4, 2018, 3:59 PM As is usual with these things, about 20% of the words are justified, the rest are not, or vice versa. For example, in the first citation, the first 7 words are not justified by any peer-reviewed research reports, the rest are largely true. In the second citation, the first 14 words are asserted without proof. In the third citation, the words 'produced by EMF exposures' and 'of EMFs' are asserted without proof. The sentence without these words is claimed to be true. In the fourth statement, the words 'reduce the harmful effects of EMFs' are superfluous; everyone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 20:41, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: Exposure Limits Thought I would post this to the group as it has been the subject of debate for many years. I found it Interesting as it gets into the mechanisms at work and symptoms while underscoring the importance of our work. Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAINED http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/09/03/electromagnetic-fields-harmful-effects.aspx September 03, 2017 • 148,493 views Story at-a-glance - Exposure to microwave EMFs, like cellphones, causes massive mitochondrial dysfunction due to damage done by free radicals from peroxynitrite that also cause single and double stranded breaks in your DNA - Excessive free radicals triggered by low-frequency microwave exposure from cellphones and Wi-Fi networks have been linked to chronic diseases such as cardiac arrhythmias, anxiety, depression, autism, Alzheimer’s and infertility - Excessive calcium signaling produced by EMF exposures also has important roles in producing pathophysiological effects of EMFs including each of the effects listed above - Strategies that may help reduce the harmful effects of EMFs include optimizing your magnesium level, certain Nrf2-boosting foods, exercise, calorie restriction and strategies that boost nitric oxide signaling (which acts, in turn, by raising Nrf2) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES O
Re: [PSES] [SPAM] Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
As is usual with these things, about 20% of the words are justified, the rest are not, or vice versa. For example, in the first citation, the first 7 words are not justified by any peer-reviewed research reports, the rest are largely true. In the second citation, the first 14 words are asserted without proof. In the third citation, the words 'produced by EMF exposures' and 'of EMFs' are asserted without proof. The sentence without these words is claimed to be true. In the fourth statement, the words 'reduce the harmful effects of EMFs' are superfluous; everyone knows that the rest of the sentence is true, whether one is exposed to EMF or not. Alternatively, you can believe that the relevant IEEE and ICNIRP research reports are all falsehoods. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 20:41, gdstuyvenb...@yahoo.com wrote: Re: Exposure Limits Thought I would post this to the group as it has been the subject of debate for many years. I found it Interesting as it gets into the mechanisms at work and symptoms while underscoring the importance of our work. Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAINED http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/09/03/electromagnetic-fields-harmful-effects.aspx September 03, 2017 • 148,493 views Story at-a-glance Exposure to microwave EMFs, like cellphones, causes massive mitochondrial dysfunction due to damage done by free radicals from peroxynitrite that also cause single and double stranded breaks in your DNA Excessive free radicals triggered by low-frequency microwave exposure from cellphones and Wi-Fi networks have been linked to chronic diseases such as cardiac arrhythmias, anxiety, depression, autism, Alzheimer’s and infertility Excessive calcium signaling produced by EMF exposures also has important roles in producing pathophysiological effects of EMFs including each of the effects listed above Strategies that may help reduce the harmful effects of EMFs include optimizing your magnesium level, certain Nrf2-boosting foods, exercise, calorie restriction and strategies that boost nitric oxide signaling (which acts, in turn, by raising Nrf2) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Re: Exposure Limits Thought I would post this to the group as it has been the subject of debate for many years. I found it Interesting as it gets into the mechanisms at work and symptoms while underscoring the importance of our work. Gary Stuyvenberg Sr. EMC Engineer Thompson Consulting THE HARMFUL EFFECTS OF ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELDS EXPLAINED http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2017/09/03/electromagnetic-fields-harmful-effects.aspx September 03, 2017 • 148,493 views Story at-a-glance >Exposure to microwave EMFs, like cellphones, causes massive mitochondrial >dysfunction due to damage done by free radicals from peroxynitrite that also >cause single and double stranded breaks in your DNA >Excessive free radicals triggered by low-frequency microwave exposure from >cellphones and Wi-Fi networks have been linked to chronic diseases such as >cardiac arrhythmias, anxiety, depression, autism, Alzheimer’s and infertility >Excessive calcium signaling produced by EMF exposures also has important roles >in producing pathophysiological effects of EMFs including each of the effects >listed above >Strategies that may help reduce the harmful effects of EMFs include optimizing >your magnesium level, certain Nrf2-boosting foods, exercise, calorie >restriction and strategies that boost nitric oxide signaling (which acts, in >turn, by raising Nrf2) - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
So it sounds similar to the MD with respect to the LVD requirements and you don’t declare to the LVD. From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2018 12:09 PM To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID OK, the LVD does not apply, but all its provisions apply. Is that pernickety enough? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:57, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: The LVD does NOT apply. For elektrical safety and EMC the RED will use it's proper list of harmonised standards. As says: Art 1.4 Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU, except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive. Art 3.1(a) says : the protection of health and safety of persons and of domestic animals and the protection of property, including the objectives with respect to safety requirements set out in Directive 2014/35/EU, but with no voltage limit applying; One cannot legally apply a directive and say at the same time that some part of it is not applicable. It's the objectives as set-out in the LV-directive, that are an essential requirement to the RED, not the directive itself. I agree that such IS somewhat obscurantist wording. The fact that no standards for electrical safety have been published yet does NOT help in good understanding the directives wording, of course. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 17:44, John Woodgate wrote: Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> Sent: 04 April 2018 16:05 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com<http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail:micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 14:38 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Hello, Actually a safety assessment equivalent to the LVD (but without the lower voltage limit) does apply to RED devices, but the LV Directive (LVD) itself does not apply to RED equipment. Thanks, Michael. From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 16:44 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: <https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> www.sulisconsultants.com Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> Sent: 04 April 2018 16:05 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> micha...@acbcert.com Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 14:38 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
OK, the LVD does not apply, but all its provisions apply. Is that pernickety enough? John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:57, Gert Gremmen; ce-test wrote: The LVD does NOT apply. For elektrical safety and EMC the RED will use it's proper list of harmonised standards. As says: Art 1.4 /Radio equipment//falling within//the scope of this Directive//shall _*not*_ be subject//to Directive//2014/35/EU,//except as//set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive. / Art 3.1(a) says : /the protection of health//and safety of persons//and of domestic//animals//and the protection//of proper//ty, including//the//objectives//with respect//to safety requirements//set out in Directive//2014/35/EU,//but with no voltage limit applying; / One cannot legally apply a directive and say at the same time that some part of it is not applicable. It's the _objectives as set-out in the LV-directive_, that are an essential requirement to the RED, not the directive itself. I agree that such IS somewhat obscurantist wording. The fact that no standards for electrical safety have been published yet does NOT help in good understanding the directives wording, of course. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 17:44, John Woodgate wrote: Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: **www.sulisconsultants.com* <https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*John Woodgate *Sent:* 04 April 2018 16:05 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 *From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] *Sent:* 04 April 2018 14:38 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
From the RED guide, http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321 Relationship between the RED and LVD/EMCD Radio equipment falling under the scope of the RED are excluded from both the Low Voltage Directive (LVD) and Electromagnetic Compatibility Directive (EMCD) 33: * Art. 1.4 RED: “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” * Art. 2.2(a) EMCD: “This Directive shall not apply to equipment covered by Directive 1999/5/EC.”34 Therefore, where RED is applicable to radio equipment, the LVD and EMCD do not apply, however the RED refers to the essential requirements of the LVD and EMCD (on the essential requirements, see Chapter 3). Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: John Woodgate Sent: 04 April 2018 16:44 To: Charlie Blackham ; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: John Woodgate <mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk> Sent: 04 April 2018 16:05 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com<http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail:micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 14:38 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit valu
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
The LVD does NOT apply. For elektrical safety and EMC the RED will use it's proper list of harmonised standards. As says: Art 1.4 /Radio equipment//falling within//the scope of this Directive//shall _*not*_ be subject//to Directive//2014/35/EU,//except as//set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive. / Art 3.1(a) says : /the protection of health//and safety of persons//and of domestic//animals//and the protection//of proper//ty, including//the//objectives//with respect//to safety requirements//set out in Directive//2014/35/EU,//but with no voltage limit applying; / One cannot legally apply a directive and say at the same time that some part of it is not applicable. It's the _objectives as set-out in the LV-directive_, that are an essential requirement to the RED, not the directive itself. I agree that such IS somewhat obscurantist wording. The fact that no standards for electrical safety have been published yet does NOT help in good understanding the directives wording, of course. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 17:44, John Woodgate wrote: Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: **www.sulisconsultants.com* <https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*John Woodgate *Sent:* 04 April 2018 16:05 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 *From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] *Sent:* 04 April 2018 14:38 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Yes, well, it's typical obscurantist wording. The LVD DOES apply, but without its low-voltage limit. That is what Article 3 1 (a) says, quite explicitly. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 16:33, Charlie Blackham wrote: The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie *Charlie Blackham* *Sulis Consultants Ltd* *Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317* *Web: **www.sulisconsultants.com* <https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 *From:*John Woodgate *Sent:* 04 April 2018 16:05 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 *From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] *Sent:* 04 April 2018 14:38 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG <mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - --
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
The LVD is cited, but the RED is the applicable Directive, as per article Art. 1.4 of the RED which states “Radio equipment falling within the scope of this Directive shall not be subject to Directive 2014/35/EU (LVD), except as set out in point (a) of Article 3(1) of this Directive.” In due course, all product EMF standards will be harmonised under RED Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: John Woodgate Sent: 04 April 2018 16:05 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com<http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail:micha...@acbcert.com<mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 14:38 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG> Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk<http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
As LVD (2014/35) is not applicable for Radio devices and so RFID, this standard is set up to be harmonized under the RED. Be it as an Electrical Safety Standard under the RED. Look at the provided link. Gert Gremmen On 4-4-2018 15:37, John Woodgate wrote: SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Yes, I cited the wrong Directive. Wrong citations are quite common, due to the Commission and the SMBs citing the largely meaningless '/nn' numbers instead of the titles of the Directives. . The actual situation is that the Directive concerned is the Low Voltage Directive. The involvement of the RED is ONLY Article 3 1 (a), which applies the LVD without its low-voltage limit. Nothing else of the RED is relevant. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 14:51, Michael Derby wrote: John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: micha...@acbcert.com <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 *From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] *Sent:* 04 April 2018 14:38 *To:* EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG *Subject:* Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used f
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
On Wed, 4 Apr 2018 05:38:41 -0700, Grace Lin wrote: > Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? > > The following four standards are listed in the latest published list > standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 > MHz RFID device. Will EN 50364 applicable to the device? Although it is not listed under 2014/53/EU yet, EN 50364:2010 is listed under 2014/35/EU, and it appears EN 50364:2018 is intended to be harmonized under 2014/35/EU and 2014/53/EU. EN 50364:2018 Product standard for human exposure to electromagnetic fields from devices operating in the frequency range 0 Hz to 300 GHz, used in Electronic Article Surveillance (EAS), Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) and similar applications https://www.cenelec.eu/dyn/www/f?p=104:110:1541743784364801FSP_ORG_ID,FSP_PROJECT,FSP_LANG_ID:1258483,62212,25 Regards, Tom -- Tomonori Sato URL: http://t-sato.in.coocan.jp - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
John, I think the physical agents Directive is concerned with the workplace, not with products. For assessment of RF Exposure risk/safety from products, the RED is indeed the correct Directive and it would be covered in Article 3.1a. Thanks, Michael. Michael Derby Senior Regulatory Engineer Director ACB Europe Certification Resource for the Wireless Industry Web: www.acbcert.com <http://www.acbcert.com/> e-mail: <mailto:micha...@acbcert.com> micha...@acbcert.com Mobile phone: (+44) 7939 880829 (UK area code) Corporate office phone: USA: (+1) 703 847 4700 From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] Sent: 04 April 2018 14:38 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk> Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org> > All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) <http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org> > Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org> > For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org> > David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com> > -
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
SECOND RESPONSE I should have mentioned that exposure standards have nothing to do with RED but are relevant to a different Directive: DIRECTIVE 2013/35/EU OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 26 June 2013 on the minimum health and safety requirements regarding the exposure of workers to the risks arising from physical agents (electromagnetic fields) (20th individual Directive within the meaning of Article 16(1) of Directive 89/391/EEC) and repealing Directive 2004/40/EC John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Grace Assuming the device is not transmitting with 100% duty cycle, it is very likely to meet requirements for low power devices, so the appropriate standard would be EN 50663:2017 This is not yet harmonised under the RED, but Harmonised Standards are not mandatory for article 3.1a Regards Charlie Charlie Blackham Sulis Consultants Ltd Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317 Web: www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5&URL=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f> Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247 From: Grace Lin Sent: 04 April 2018 13:39 To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG Subject: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe)<http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html> List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
Re: [PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
The published lists are often very much out-of-date, and some have been found with serious mistakes. The original standard for RFID is EN 50364, and others relevant are EN 62369-1 and EN 62479. The latter two are versions of the corresponding IEC standards. Another IEC standard is IEC 62331. You can find details of these standards from the public parts of the CENELEC (TC106X) web site and IEC (TC106) web site. John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk Rayleigh, Essex UK On 2018-04-04 13:38, Grace Lin wrote: Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to mailto:emc-p...@ieee.org>> All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas mailto:sdoug...@ieee.org>> Mike Cantwell mailto:mcantw...@ieee.org>> For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher mailto:j.bac...@ieee.org>> David Heald mailto:dhe...@gmail.com>> - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald:
[PSES] EU Harmonized RF Exposure Standards per RED for 13.56 MHz RFID
Dear Members, Is there any harmonized standards applicable to 13.56 MHz RFID devices? The following four standards are listed in the latest published list standards (March 9, 2018). It seems there is no one applicable to a 13.56 MHz RFID device. EN 50360:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices, with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 300 MHz to 6 GHz: devices used next to the ear EN 50385:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when placed on the market EN 50401:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of base station equipment with radiofrequency electromagnetic field exposure limits (110 MHz — 100 GHz), when put into service EN 50566:2017 Product standard to demonstrate the compliance of wireless communication devices with the basic restrictions and exposure limit values related to human exposure to electromagnetic fields in the frequency range from 30 MHz to 6 GHz: hand-held and body mounted devices in close proximity to the human body Thank you very much and I look forward to hearing from you. Best regards, Grace Lin - This message is from the IEEE Product Safety Engineering Society emc-pstc discussion list. To post a message to the list, send your e-mail to All emc-pstc postings are archived and searchable on the web at: http://www.ieee-pses.org/emc-pstc.html Attachments are not permitted but the IEEE PSES Online Communities site at http://product-compliance.oc.ieee.org/ can be used for graphics (in well-used formats), large files, etc. Website: http://www.ieee-pses.org/ Instructions: http://www.ieee-pses.org/list.html (including how to unsubscribe) List rules: http://www.ieee-pses.org/listrules.html For help, send mail to the list administrators: Scott Douglas Mike Cantwell For policy questions, send mail to: Jim Bacher: David Heald: