RE: Mains Color Codes
Flying leads are acceptable, input filters use them often. It is the final termination that has the control. Crimp splices are not allowed, however crimp terminations (double crimp type for primary or hazardous voltages) and terminal blocks as terminations are allowed. I have never seen a flying lead this long but there are some requirements for length, I believe 3M is the longest for a wire run. Scott Barrows Senior Product Safety Engineer KTL Dallas -Original Message- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 12:58 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes Richard, Under EN 60065 Clause 15.3.2 there is reference to soldered or crimped connectors. This would tend to lead me to believe that flying leads are allowed. Robert Mavis -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [ mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes I am under the impression that pig-tails are not allowed in most countries outside North America. I know for a fact that wire nuts are not allowed by TUV. Richard Woods -- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Mains Color Codes
RE: Mains Color CodesRobert, The only sections I could find in the NEC allowing light blue wire for neutral was in Chapter 4 Equipment for General Use, article 400 Flexible Cords and Cables. This would apply to flexible power cords for computers and such. I'm not sure what your product is or if this would apply. Hope this is helpful. Brian 402-8. Grounded Conductor Identification One conductor of fixture wires that is intended to be used as a grounded conductor shall be identified by means of stripes or by the means described in Sections 400-22(a) through (e). 400-22. Grounded-Conductor Identification One conductor of flexible cords that is intended to be used as a grounded circuit conductor shall have a continuous marker that readily distinguishes it from the other conductor or conductors. The identification shall consist of one of the methods indicated in (a) through (f). (a) Colored Braid. A braid finished to show a white or natural gray color and the braid on the other conductor or conductors finished to show a readily distinguishable solid color or colors. (b) Tracer in Braid. A tracer in a braid of any color contrasting with that of the braid and no tracer in the braid of the other conductor or conductors. No tracer shall be used in the braid of any conductor of a flexible cord that contains a conductor having a braid finished to show white or natural gray. Exception: In the case of Types C and PD and cords having the braids on the individual conductors finished to show white or natural gray. In such cords, the identifying marker shall be permitted to consist of the solid white or natural gray finish on one conductor provided there is a colored tracer in the braid of each other conductor. (c) Colored Insulation. A white or natural gray insulation on one conductor and insulation of a readily distinguishable color or colors on the other conductor or conductors for cords having no braids on the individual conductors. For jacketed cords furnished with appliances, one conductor having its insulation colored light blue, with the other conductors having their insulation of a readily distinguishable color other than white or natural gray. Exception: Cords that have insulation on the individual conductors integral with the jacket. The insulation shall be permitted to be covered with an outer finish to provide the desired color. -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Mavis, Robert Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 1:28 PM To: Lacey,Scott Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes I am running into a problem with UL not accepting the Brown/Blue color code due to UL 2044 and The NEC stating that the Neutral must be white or Natural grey. Has there been any updates to the NEC that allows the Euro Color code? -Original Message- From: Lacey,Scott [mailto:sla...@foxboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:48 AM To: Mavis, Robert Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes Robert, I have always found the European color codes (brown/light blue/green w/yellow) to be best for dual market use. UL and CSA seem to have no problem with the use of these. You will need to provide some kind of legend plate or tag explaining the color codes, as many U.S. electricians are still not familiar with these. Scott Lacey -Original Message- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination
Re: Mains Color Codes
Hi Robert: I am running into a problem with UL not accepting the Brown/Blue color code due to UL 2044 and The NEC stating that the Neutral must be white or Natural grey. The NEC specifies colors for the neutral (grounded) conductor and for the protective earthing (grounding) conductor. See Articles 400-22 and 400-23 respectively. The NEC does not specify colors for the live conductors. For the neutral, the color must be white or natural gray. For the neutral, light blue is permitted with the following conditions: in jacketed cords which are provided with your equipment. The NEC is the base standard. A UL standard cannot supercede the NEC. So, if you are providing a jacketed cord with your equipment, you can use blue for the neutral conductor and brown (or any other color) for the live conductor. If you refer your UL engineer to the NEC reference, UL will accept the color (provided you meet the two conditions). Best regards, Rich --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Mains Color Codes
Clause 3.3.1 of EN60950 allows screws, nuts or equally effective devices for wiring terminals for external supply conductors. Clause 3.3.2 allows soldered, welded, crimped and similar connections for terminals for non-detachable power cords only. My experience with TUV is that they do not accept wire nuts as being equally effective devices. Richard Woods -- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 1:58 PM To: wo...@sensormatic.com Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes Richard, Under EN 60065 Clause 15.3.2 there is reference to soldered or crimped connectors. This would tend to lead me to believe that flying leads are allowed. Robert Mavis -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [ mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com ] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes I am under the impression that pig-tails are not allowed in most countries outside North America. I know for a fact that wire nuts are not allowed by TUV. Richard Woods -- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Mains Color Codes
Richard, Under EN 60065 Clause 15.3.2 there is reference to soldered or crimped connectors. This would tend to lead me to believe that flying leads are allowed. Robert Mavis -Original Message- From: wo...@sensormatic.com [mailto:wo...@sensormatic.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:18 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes I am under the impression that pig-tails are not allowed in most countries outside North America. I know for a fact that wire nuts are not allowed by TUV. Richard Woods -- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient.
RE: Mains Color Codes
I am running into a problem with UL not accepting the Brown/Blue color code due to UL 2044 and The NEC stating that the Neutral must be white or Natural grey. Has there been any updates to the NEC that allows the Euro Color code? -Original Message- From: Lacey,Scott [mailto:sla...@foxboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 4:48 AM To: Mavis, Robert Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject: RE: Mains Color Codes Robert, I have always found the European color codes (brown/light blue/green w/yellow) to be best for dual market use. UL and CSA seem to have no problem with the use of these. You will need to provide some kind of legend plate or tag explaining the color codes, as many U.S. electricians are still not familiar with these. Scott Lacey -Original Message- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient.
RE: Mains Color Codes
And what would the recommendations be for three phase? -Original Message- From: Lacey,Scott [mailto:sla...@foxboro.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 05, 2000 5:48 AM To: 'Mavis, Robert' Cc: 'emc-p...@ieee.org' Subject:RE: Mains Color Codes Robert, I have always found the European color codes (brown/light blue/green w/yellow) to be best for dual market use. UL and CSA seem to have no problem with the use of these. You will need to provide some kind of legend plate or tag explaining the color codes, as many U.S. electricians are still not familiar with these. Scott Lacey -Original Message- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Mains Color Codes
I am under the impression that pig-tails are not allowed in most countries outside North America. I know for a fact that wire nuts are not allowed by TUV. Richard Woods -- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
RE: Mains Color Codes
Robert, I have always found the European color codes (brown/light blue/green w/yellow) to be best for dual market use. UL and CSA seem to have no problem with the use of these. You will need to provide some kind of legend plate or tag explaining the color codes, as many U.S. electricians are still not familiar with these. Scott Lacey -Original Message- From: Mavis, Robert [SMTP:rma...@pelco.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 04, 2000 5:33 PM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject:Mains Color Codes I know this was kicked around a while back but here we go again. What are the allowable color codes for pigtails that come from a permanently connected apparatus to be connected to mains for US and Europe? Is there a color code that is allowable for both? Thanks in advance for any help.. Robert L. Mavis Agency Compliance Coordinator Engineering Department, Compliance Engineering Group Pelco 300 W. Pontiac Way Clovis, CA 93612 Phone: (559) 292-1981 x2309 Toll Free: (800) 292-1981 x2309 Fax:(559) 291-3775 email: rma...@pelco.com URL:http://www.pelco.com http://www.pelco.com - Note: If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, contact administra...@pelco.com or call (559) 292-1981. Information contained may be confidential. Dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is prohibited if you are not the intended recipient. --- This message is from the IEEE EMC Society Product Safety Technical Committee emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to: majord...@ieee.org with the single line: unsubscribe emc-pstc For help, send mail to the list administrators: Jim Bacher: jim_bac...@mail.monarch.com Michael Garretson:pstc_ad...@garretson.org For policy questions, send mail to: Richard Nute: ri...@ieee.org
