Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[john Allen]

Ted

  

Like your choice in beers (not so sure about Stout – although I’m drinking 
Guinness ATM, out of “necessity”) but never tasted “Free Wi-Fi”, so what’s that 
like? J

 

John E Allen

W.London, UK

 

From: Ted Eckert [mailto:07cf6ebeab9d-dmarc-requ...@ieee.org] 
Sent: 21 June 2017 16:58
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

In my opinion, a good tech pub combines the words “Free Wi-Fi” with “IPA”, 
“Hefeweizen”, “Porter” and “Stout”. 

 

Ted Eckert

Microsoft Corporation

 

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

 

From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:27 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

Maybe Tech Pubs won’t use the word “shall” because plainlanguage.gov says not 
to:

 

http://www.plainlanguage.gov/howto/guidelines/bigdoc/writeMust.cfm

 

Jim Hulbert

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:12 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

I stand corrected.  I use “shall” in our warning statements in our User’s 
Manual but our Tech Pub people always changes it to “must”. They have their 
reasons and I’m tired of fighting them on this.  But you are absolutely right 
on this. Hee hee.

The Other Brian

 

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
>“but must lead to”.  

 

I think it would say “Shall lead to” 

 

The phrase is

“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document 
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained”

So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a 
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t 
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not 
meant to just put “Declarations are available from www.ourcompany.com 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourcompany.com=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C724d7c40badb4c4ab3ec08d4b8bc1317%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636336565292273999=MbUyexRUGo6eoN9qfzdJtac08vbEU3f6FWzNpcnRA%2BQ%3D=0>
 ” 

 

This requirement is not new as it was in the R Directive, and plenty of 
companies have been providing a single page for years.

 

Regards

Charlie

 

Charlie Blackham

Sulis Consultants Ltd

Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317

Web:  
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foutlook.hslive.net%2Fowa%2Fredir.aspx%3FC%3D02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5%26URL%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.sulisconsultants.com%252f=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C724d7c40badb4c4ab3ec08d4b8bc1317%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636336565292273999=c6MMBpO5hLTiF3qvqoQbUqSdqkar0AfZzQDTSxBHboM%3D=0>
 www.sulisconsultants.com

Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

 

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
“but must lead to”.  

 

Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the 
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that 
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of 
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million 
different DoCs on file.   This is not practical. 

 

So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your 
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC, 
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating 
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file 
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website 
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC 
for their specific product.  

 

Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose.  But this interpretation does meet the 
requirements, does it not?

 

My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.  

 

The Other Brian

 

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 

Brian

 

Quoting from the RED Guide 
<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europ

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Ted Eckert]

In my opinion, a good tech pub combines the words “Free Wi-Fi” with “IPA”, 
“Hefeweizen”, “Porter” and “Stout”.

Ted Eckert
Microsoft Corporation

The opinions expressed are my own and do not necessarily reflect those of my 
employer.

From: Jim Hulbert [mailto:jim.hulb...@pb.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 8:27 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Maybe Tech Pubs won’t use the word “shall” because plainlanguage.gov says not 
to:

http://www.plainlanguage.gov/howto/guidelines/bigdoc/writeMust.cfm

Jim Hulbert

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:12 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

I stand corrected.  I use “shall” in our warning statements in our User’s 
Manual but our Tech Pub people always changes it to “must”. They have their 
reasons and I’m tired of fighting them on this.  But you are absolutely right 
on this. Hee hee.
The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
>“but must lead to”.

I think it would say “Shall lead to” 

The phrase is
“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document 
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained”
So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a 
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t 
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not 
meant to just put “Declarations are available from 
www.ourcompany.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ourcompany.com=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C724d7c40badb4c4ab3ec08d4b8bc1317%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636336565292273999=MbUyexRUGo6eoN9qfzdJtac08vbEU3f6FWzNpcnRA%2BQ%3D=0>”

This requirement is not new as it was in the R Directive, and plenty of 
companies have been providing a single page for years.

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Foutlook.hslive.net%2Fowa%2Fredir.aspx%3FC%3D02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5%26URL%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.sulisconsultants.com%252f=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C724d7c40badb4c4ab3ec08d4b8bc1317%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636336565292273999=c6MMBpO5hLTiF3qvqoQbUqSdqkar0AfZzQDTSxBHboM%3D=0>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>; 
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
“but must lead to”.

Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the 
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that 
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of 
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million 
different DoCs on file.   This is not practical.

So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your 
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC, 
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating 
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file 
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website 
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC 
for their specific product.

Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose.  But this interpretation does meet the 
requirements, does it not?

My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.

The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]


Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fec.europa.eu%2Fdocsroom%2Fdocuments%2F23321%2Fattachments%2F1%2Ftranslations%2Fen%2Frenditions%2Fpdf=02%7C01%7Cted.eckert%40microsoft.com%7C724d7c40badb4c4ab3ec08d4b8bc1317%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C636336565292273999=q4VwZ97aFzECfJ8x98UEI%2BA%2Bb160M7DVG41AXlbR61w%3D=0>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate th

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Dan Roman]

Gary,


For #2 I could understand the argument that if the device itself did not have a 
means to read a CD that it would not be allowed.  A smartphone or tablet should 
be allowed to display the DoC electronically.  Expanding further, if the 
product was used in conjunction with a phone app (like a fitness band) should 
it be acceptable if the written instructions included with the device directed 
the user to a menu in the phone app that displayed the DoC?  The DoC could be 
updated as needed with an app update.  It is not "the exact internet address" 
but it would be the location of the DoC in electronic form.  Strictly following 
the language in the Directive, this would not be allowed.  Another example of 
specific language stifling flexibility in meeting the same end goal.


--
Dan Roman
Senior Member

dan.ro...@ieee.org
danp...@verizon.net





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From: Myers, Gary <gary.my...@xerox.com>
To: EMC-PSTC <EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Sent: Wed, Jun 21, 2017 7:47 am
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



Charlie and all,
Regarding RED and the simplified DoC that accompanies a radio product being 
sold into ALL EU countries, has it been formally documented somewhere:
1.   Exactly which EU country languages the Doc has to be translated into 
(All, select key languages, etc..). 
2.   Whether it would be acceptable to provide this simplified DoC language 
on a CD that accompanies the product rather than a hard copy
Regarding item #1 above, some believe that English only is sufficient as 
English is generally easily understood by most EU customers..
Regarding item #2 above, some believe that user information that accompanies 
the product must be hard copy and not on a CD that is shipped with the unit.
 
Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.
 
Regards,
Gary Myers
Xerox Corp
 

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

 
Brian
 
Quoting from the  RED Guide:
 
The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment
 
This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.
 
Regards
Charlie
 
Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: www.sulisconsultants.com
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247
 
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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
 
" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained"
 
Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include 
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to 
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?
 
For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can 
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?
 
The Other Brian
 
 
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From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM
To:  EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
 
Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the 
product;
 
Article 1.9
 
Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by 
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declaration of 
conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity is provided, it 
shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained.
 
 
For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an 
electronic copy on a webpage.
 
 
 
Sincerely,
 
Dieter Paasche
Senior Product Developer, Electrical
CHRISTIE
809 Wellington Street North
Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7
Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211
www.christiedigital.com
 
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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Jim Hulbert]

Maybe Tech Pubs won’t use the word “shall” because plainlanguage.gov says not 
to:

http://www.plainlanguage.gov/howto/guidelines/bigdoc/writeMust.cfm

Jim Hulbert

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2017 11:12 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

I stand corrected.  I use “shall” in our warning statements in our User’s 
Manual but our Tech Pub people always changes it to “must”. They have their 
reasons and I’m tired of fighting them on this.  But you are absolutely right 
on this. Hee hee.
The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
>“but must lead to”.

I think it would say “Shall lead to” 

The phrase is
“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document 
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained”
So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a 
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t 
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not 
meant to just put “Declarations are available from 
www.ourcompany.com<http://www.ourcompany.com>”

This requirement is not new as it was in the R Directive, and plenty of 
companies have been providing a single page for years.

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>; 
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
“but must lead to”.

Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the 
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that 
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of 
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million 
different DoCs on file.   This is not practical.

So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your 
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC, 
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating 
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file 
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website 
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC 
for their specific product.

Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose.  But this interpretation does meet the 
requirements, does it not?

My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.

The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]


Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment



This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.



Regards

Charlie


Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
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Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



" it shall contain the exact internet address where the f

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Kunde, Brian]

I stand corrected.  I use “shall” in our warning statements in our User’s 
Manual but our Tech Pub people always changes it to “must”. They have their 
reasons and I’m tired of fighting them on this.  But you are absolutely right 
on this. Hee hee.
The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 4:47 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
>“but must lead to”.

I think it would say “Shall lead to” 

The phrase is
“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document 
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained”
So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a 
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t 
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not 
meant to just put “Declarations are available from 
www.ourcompany.com<http://www.ourcompany.com>”

This requirement is not new as it was in the R Directive, and plenty of 
companies have been providing a single page for years.

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham 
<char...@sulisconsultants.com<mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com>>; 
EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
“but must lead to”.

Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the 
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that 
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of 
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million 
different DoCs on file.   This is not practical.

So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your 
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC, 
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating 
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file 
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website 
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC 
for their specific product.

Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose.  But this interpretation does meet the 
requirements, does it not?

My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.

The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]


Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment



This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.



Regards

Charlie


Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



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Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained"



Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include 
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to 
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?



For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can 
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the r

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Myers, Gary]

Charlie and all,
Regarding RED and the simplified DoC that accompanies a radio product being 
sold into ALL EU countries, has it been formally documented somewhere:

1.   Exactly which EU country languages the Doc has to be translated into 
(All, select key languages, etc..).

2.   Whether it would be acceptable to provide this simplified DoC language 
on a CD that accompanies the product rather than a hard copy
Regarding item #1 above, some believe that English only is sufficient as 
English is generally easily understood by most EU customers..
Regarding item #2 above, some believe that user information that accompanies 
the product must be hard copy and not on a CD that is shipped with the unit.

Thanks in advance for any information you can provide.

Regards,
Gary Myers
Xerox Corp

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]


Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC's are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment



This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.



Regards

Charlie


Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained"



Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include 
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to 
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?



For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can 
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?



The Other Brian





-Original Message-

From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the 
product;



Article 1.9



Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by 
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declaration of 
conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity is provided, it 
shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained.





For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an 
electronic copy on a webpage.







Sincerely,



Dieter Paasche

Senior Product Developer, Electrical

CHRISTIE

809 Wellington Street North

Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7

Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211

www.christiedigital.com<http://www.christiedigital.com>



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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:04 AM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to 
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many end-users 
insist on it.



With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only 
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh England



Sylvae in aeternum manent.



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From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)

[mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com]

Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)]

Thanks everyone for your help.

Regards
Andy






 Andrew Price
 Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division
 Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC)

 Leonardo MW Ltd
 Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL, UK
 Tel  EMC LAB : +44 (0)1268 883308
 Mobile: +44 (0)7507 854888
 
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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Charlie Blackham]

Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC's are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment



This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.



Regards

Charlie


Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained"



Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include 
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to 
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?



For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can 
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?



The Other Brian





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From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the 
product;



Article 1.9



Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by 
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declaration of 
conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity is provided, it 
shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained.





For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an 
electronic copy on a webpage.







Sincerely,



Dieter Paasche

Senior Product Developer, Electrical

CHRISTIE

809 Wellington Street North

Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7

Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211

www.christiedigital.com<http://www.christiedigital.com>



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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:04 AM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to 
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many end-users 
insist on it.



With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only 
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk<http://www.jmwa.demon.co.uk> J M Woodgate and Associates 
Rayleigh England



Sylvae in aeternum manent.



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From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)

[mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com]

Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



Hi all,



Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC 
or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof of conformity 
or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which states compliance 
with the Directive via appropriate standards???

Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user or 
can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??



Regards

Andy









 Andrew Price

 Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division

Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC)



 Leonardo MW Ltd

 Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL, UK

 Tel  EMC LAB : +44 (0)1268 883308

 Mobile: +44 (0)7507 854888



andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com<mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com<mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com%3cmailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com>

&g

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Charlie Blackham]

>“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
>“but must lead to”.

I think it would say “Shall lead to” 

The phrase is
“This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the document 
but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained”
So, if you don’t provide a direct link to the document, then you can provide a 
link to the page where they are listed – the guide is saying that you don’t 
have to provide a specific URL for each individual DoC, but equally you are not 
meant to just put “Declarations are available from www.ourcompany.com”

This requirement is not new as it was in the R Directive, and plenty of 
companies have been providing a single page for years.

Regards
Charlie

Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247

From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 21:00
To: Charlie Blackham <char...@sulisconsultants.com>; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

“but can lead to”, means it does not have to lead to, otherwise it would say, 
“but must lead to”.

Some interpret the Machinery Directive, which has similar requirements for the 
DoC, to mean that each individual product built must have a unique DoC that 
lists the product’s specific serial number (or some other unique way of 
identifying it). So if you built a million products, you would have a million 
different DoCs on file.   This is not practical.

So if you literally do what the Directive say, you will have an officer of your 
company sitting at the end of every production line with a stack of DoC, 
filling in the model and serial number for each product, signing and dating 
each, then making a photo copy of each placing one in the box and one in a file 
cabinet. Or scan the DoC and place an electronic copy on your Corporate Website 
with some type of search utility so people can find that one and only one DoC 
for their specific product.

Yes, I’m being absurd on purpose.  But this interpretation does meet the 
requirements, does it not?

My advice is to find a practical way of providing the DoC to your customers.

The Other Brian

From: Charlie Blackham [mailto:char...@sulisconsultants.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 3:29 PM
To: Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: RE: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]


Brian



Quoting from the RED 
Guide<http://ec.europa.eu/docsroom/documents/23321/attachments/1/translations/en/renditions/pdf>:



The simplified DoC shall indicate the web-address where the complete DoC can be 
found. This web-address does not necessarily need to directly refer to the 
document but can lead to a specific Internet address (URL) where the DoC’s are 
maintained by the manufacturer enabling a simple identification or search for 
the relevant DoC. Even if the simplified DoC refers only to RED, the complete 
DoC located on Internet has to refer to all applicable legislation to the radio 
equipment



This option is allowed as an alternative to shipping a full DoC with the actual 
product, so the full DoC should be readily available and you should not have to 
request it.



Regards

Charlie


Charlie Blackham
Sulis Consultants Ltd
Tel: +44 (0)7946 624317
Web: 
www.sulisconsultants.com<https://outlook.hslive.net/owa/redir.aspx?C=02be3bf3e3a544d1bdf7b6c99fbd12f5=http%3a%2f%2fwww.sulisconsultants.com%2f>
Registered in England and Wales, number 05466247



-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained"



Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include 
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link to 
the electronic copy of the DoC itself?



For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can 
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?



The Other Brian





-Original Message-

From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com]

Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM

To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG<mailto:EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG>

Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]



Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the 
product;



Article 1.9



Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by 
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declara

Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[John Woodgate]

I don't think so, but I don't even play a lawyer on TV. The requirement is
for a direct link to the text, not to a request form.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

-Original Message-
From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: 20 June 2017 20:09
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

" it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU
declaration of conformity can be obtained"

Can I interpret the above to mean that the website only has to include
instructions on how to obtain the full DcC and not necessarily a direct link
to the electronic copy of the DoC itself?

For instance, we have a link on our corporate website where a person can
Request the DoC. Doesn't that meet the requirement of "can be obtained"?

The Other Brian


-Original Message-
From: Paasche, Dieter [mailto:dieter.paas...@christiedigital.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 1:26 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with
the product;

Article 1.9

Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied
by a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU
declaration of conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity
is provided, it shall contain the exact internet address where the full text
of the EU declaration of conformity can be obtained.


For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an
electronic copy on a webpage.



Sincerely,

Dieter Paasche
Senior Product Developer, Electrical
CHRISTIE
809 Wellington Street North
Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7
Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211
www.christiedigital.com

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From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:04 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many
end-users insist on it.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk
J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

-Original Message-
From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
[mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Hi all,

Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive
2004/108/EC or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof
of conformity or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which
states compliance with the Directive via appropriate standards???
Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user
or can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??

Regards
Andy




 Andrew Price
 Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division
 Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC)

 Leonardo MW Ltd
 Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL, UK
 Tel  EMC LAB : +44 (0)1268 883308
 Mobile: +44 (0)7507 854888

andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com<mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com
>
 leonardocomapany.com
HELICOPTERS / AERONAUTICS / ELECTRONICS, DEFENCE AND SECURITY SYSTEMS /
SPACE

* Please consider the environment before printing this email.




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Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex
SS14 3EL A company registered in England & Wales.  Company no. 02426132

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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Paasche, Dieter]

Agreed, but the for the new Radio Directive the DoC shall be included with the 
product;

Article 1.9

Manufacturers shall ensure that each item of radio equipment is accompanied by 
a copy of the EU declaration of conformity or by a simplified EU declaration of 
conformity. Where a simplified EU declaration of conformity is provided, it 
shall contain the exact internet address where the full text of the EU 
declaration of conformity can be obtained.


For all other Directive it is not mandatory. As an alternative it can be an 
electronic copy on a webpage. 



Sincerely, 

Dieter Paasche
Senior Product Developer, Electrical
CHRISTIE
809 Wellington Street North
Kitchener, ON N2G 4Y7
Phone: 519-744-8005 ext.7211
www.christiedigital.com

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-Original Message-
From: John Woodgate [mailto:jmw1...@btinternet.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 9:04 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to 
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many end-users 
insist on it.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M 
Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

-Original Message-
From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
[mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com]
Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Hi all,

Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC 
or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof of conformity 
or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which states compliance 
with the Directive via appropriate standards???
Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user or 
can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??

Regards
Andy




 Andrew Price
 Land & Naval Defence Electronics Division
 Prinicpal Environmental Engineer (EMC)

 Leonardo MW Ltd
 Sigma House, Christopher Martin Rd, Basildon SS14 3EL, UK
 Tel  EMC LAB : +44 (0)1268 883308
 Mobile: +44 (0)7507 854888
 
andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com<mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com
>
 leonardocomapany.com
HELICOPTERS / AERONAUTICS / ELECTRONICS, DEFENCE AND SECURITY SYSTEMS / SPACE

* Please consider the environment before printing this email.




Leonardo MW Ltd
Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex
SS14 3EL A company registered in England & Wales.  Company no. 02426132

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may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it 
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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Scott Aldous]

See section 4.4. of the 2016 Blue Guide
,
as well as Article 15 and Annex IV of the EMC Directive
.
Article 15 mandates that the DoC follow the model outlined in Annex IV,
which includes 8 specific elements. Article 15 also requires that the DoC
"be continuously updated".

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:53 AM, Brian O'Connell 
wrote:

> ISO17050-1,-2 provides a generic specification for the D of C. The
> directive itself clearly indicates the scope of the requirements (to
> include the various party responsibilities) for the mark and the
> declaration.
>
> There is a difference between 'proof' and the basis for a presumption of
> conformity. 'Proof' is not necessarily part of the D of C.
>
> Brian
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK) [mailto:andrew.p.price@
> LEONARDOCOMPANY.COM]
> Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:46 AM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]
>
> Hi all,
>
> Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive
> 2004/108/EC or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof
> of conformity or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which
> states compliance with the Directive via appropriate standards???
> Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end
> user or can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??
>
> Regards
> Andy
>
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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[Brian O'Connell]

ISO17050-1,-2 provides a generic specification for the D of C. The directive 
itself clearly indicates the scope of the requirements (to include the various 
party responsibilities) for the mark and the declaration.

There is a difference between 'proof' and the basis for a presumption of 
conformity. 'Proof' is not necessarily part of the D of C.

Brian


-Original Message-
From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK) [mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2017 5:46 AM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Hi all,

Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive 2004/108/EC 
or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof of conformity 
or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which states compliance 
with the Directive via appropriate standards???
Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user or 
can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??

Regards
Andy

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Re: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

[John Woodgate]

The Declaration of Conformity is essential. While it is not compulsory to
supply it to the end-user unasked, it is advisable to do so and many
end-users insist on it.

With best wishes DESIGN IT IN! OOO - Own Opinions Only
www.jmwa.demon.co.uk J M Woodgate and Associates Rayleigh England

Sylvae in aeternum manent.

-Original Message-
From: Price, Andrew (Leonardo, UK)
[mailto:andrew.p.pr...@leonardocompany.com] 
Sent: 20 June 2017 13:46
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CE Compliance [General Use]

Hi all,

Can a statement that a product is compliant with the EMC Directive
2004/108/EC or 2014/30/EU in the support documentation be regarded as proof
of conformity or does there have to be a Declaration of Conformity which
states compliance with the Directive via appropriate standards???
Also to refresh my memory does the DofC have to be supplied to the end user
or can it be held by the products distributor in the EU??

Regards
Andy




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