Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Allen]

FWIW,

Brian could also see if it is possible to run the XP-based system under 
virtualization s/w (such as VWware - which I use to run a VERY old 16-bit game 
that can otherwise only be run under W7, or earlier, 32 bit - but I know 
"without actually knowing" that other virtualization apps could be used).

John. E Allen
W.London, UK.

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From: Ralph McDiarmid [mailto:ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com] 
Sent: 31 December 2017 20:53
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

That’s what we do here, when needed.

Ralph McDiarmid
Product Compliance
Engineering
Solar Business
Schneider Electric


From: Pat Lawler [mailto:plawl...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

Hi Brian,

Can you ask your IT people to disable network access on the XP computer?  It 
would no longer be a risk to the company.  Data transfer would have to be via 
diskette or USB thumbdrive. 

I've worked at other facilities with specialized engineering computers 'off the 
network'.

Pat

On Dec 20, 2017 1:14 PM, "Kunde, Brian" <mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com> wrote:
It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in 
only a few years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts 
on how the test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Ralph McDiarmid]

That’s what we do here, when needed.

Ralph McDiarmid
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From: Pat Lawler [mailto:plawl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 6:18 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

Hi Brian,

Can you ask your IT people to disable network access on the XP computer?  It 
would no longer be a risk to the company.  Data transfer would have to be via 
diskette or USB thumbdrive. 

I've worked at other facilities with specialized engineering computers 'off the 
network'.

Pat

On Dec 20, 2017 1:14 PM, "Kunde, Brian" <mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com> wrote:
It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in 
only a few years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts 
on how the test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Pat Lawler]

Hi Brian,

Can you ask your IT people to disable network access on the XP computer?
It would no longer be a risk to the company.  Data transfer would have to
be via diskette or USB thumbdrive.

I've worked at other facilities with specialized engineering computers 'off
the network'.

Pat

On Dec 20, 2017 1:14 PM, "Kunde, Brian"  wrote:

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of
you who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions
testing, you can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is
no longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to
upgrade. I contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software
will not run on anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update
my A/D card and cable and software to THEIR latest which will only run on
32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will
ONLY work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be
unsupported in only a few years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that
makes better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with
the CI PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and
operating system (Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and
flicker?  It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a
document or paper that describes how the data is collected and what math
has to be applied to do the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key"
system about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to
become experts on how the test results are actually calculated and
presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Woodgate]

I recommend that you discuss these issues with Mathieu direct. FYI, he 
is one of those who is continually commuting around the world, so you 
might have to wait a few days for a reply.


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-21 22:08, Kunde, Brian wrote:


John,

Thanks for the information. I think with will be most helpful. I’m 
very interested in the stand-a-lone “small box” he refers to.


BTW, I believe the CI software does seem to install on windows 7 but 
it is the drivers for the A/D card that won’t, so we cannot get past 
that error.  We have the ExacQ A/D card in our system and we are being 
told that we have no choice but to upgrade the hardware.  Maybe the 
small-box is the answer.  Is anyone out there using this alternative? 
Willing to give a review?


Thanks so much.

The Other Brian

*From:*John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
*Sent:* Thursday, December 21, 2017 11:09 AM
*To:* Kunde, Brian; EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
*Subject:* Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

I asked Mathieu van den Bergh of CNS, who knows about this in depth. 
Here is his response, which I have permission to quote.


QUOTE

/Ametek Cal. Inst. offers software that runs under Windows-7 *(both 32 
and 64 bit).* So does Teseq (they sell the same system under the Teseq 
brand. Note that the CTS and WIN2100V3 version 3.2.0.35 were released 
in 2012 and are operating mostly on Windows 7 (64 bit) computers since 
that time. There are 2 versions of this software, one for XP the other 
for W-7.


In fact, your contact can download the Cal. Inst. CTS version *4.17 
*(runs under XP as well as W-7) software from the Ametek web site. 
CTS4 installs in parallel to the existing CTS Version 3.x. and uses 
the same cal file, so upgrade does not require new calibration.This is 
actually stated on the web site.


http://www.programmablepower.com/ac-power-source/CTS/Downloads.htm

*Also, Windows-7 software for both - the CTS and also the Teseq 
Profline version can be downloaded from my web site*


http://www.cnspoway.com/

I will post WIN2100V4 version 4.17 shortly on my software download 
page ( I have 4.14 on there now). Teseq also has WIN2100V4 available 
for download from their web site.


I can also answer positively to the other question. Yes, I have 
developed a stand-alone (small) box that has a USB interface. The box 
can either interface to an existing PACS or CCN1000 unit, or it can 
fully replace the California Instruments / Teseq measurement unit. I 
attach a couple documents with screen shots and a sample test report.


The software for the new product is supported / owned / copy righted 
by CNS Inc./


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk <http://www.woodjohn.uk>
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote:

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is 
no longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will 
ONLY work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in only a 
few years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that 
makes better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the 
CI PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating 
system (Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and 
flicker?  It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document 
or paper that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be 
applied to do the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" 
system about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts on 
how the test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian



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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Woodgate]

Sorry, I forgot about the attachments. I think the best way to go is for 
anyone who wants them to ask Mathieu by email.


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-21 16:08, John Woodgate wrote:


I asked Mathieu van den Bergh of CNS, who knows about this in depth. 
Here is his response, which I have permission to quote.


QUOTE

/Ametek Cal. Inst. offers software that runs under Windows-7 //*(both 
32 and 64 bit).*//So does Teseq (they sell the same system under the 
Teseq brand. Note that the CTS and WIN2100V3 version 3.2.0.35 were 
released in 2012 and are operating mostly on Windows 7 (64 bit) 
computers since that time. There are 2 versions of this software, one 
for XP the other for W-7.//


//In fact, your contact can download the Cal. Inst. CTS version 
//*4.17 *//(runs under XP as well as W-7) software from the Ametek web 
site. CTS4 installs in parallel to the existing CTS Version 3.x. and 
uses the same cal file, so upgrade does not require new 
calibration.This is actually stated on the web site.//


http://www.programmablepower.com/ac-power-source/CTS/Downloads.htm//

*Also, Windows-7 software for both - the CTS and also the Teseq 
Profline version can be downloaded from my web site*//


http://www.cnspoway.com///

//I will post WIN2100V4 version 4.17 shortly on my software download 
page ( I have 4.14 on there now). Teseq also has WIN2100V4 available 
for download from their web site.//


//I can also answer positively to the other question. Yes, I have 
developed a stand-alone (small) box that has a USB interface. The box 
can either interface to an existing PACS or CCN1000 unit, or it can 
fully replace the California Instruments / Teseq measurement unit. I 
attach a couple documents with screen shots and a sample test report. //


//The software for the new product is supported / owned / copy righted 
by CNS Inc./


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associateswww.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Woodgate]

I asked Mathieu van den Bergh of CNS, who knows about this in depth. 
Here is his response, which I have permission to quote.


QUOTE

/Ametek Cal. Inst. offers software that runs under Windows-7 //*(both 32 
and 64 bit).*//So does Teseq (they sell the same system under the Teseq 
brand. Note that the CTS and WIN2100V3 version 3.2.0.35 were released in 
2012 and are operating mostly on Windows 7 (64 bit) computers since that 
time. There are 2 versions of this software, one for XP the other for W-7.//


//In fact, your contact can download the Cal. Inst. CTS version //*4.17 
*//(runs under XP as well as W-7) software from the Ametek web site. 
CTS4 installs in parallel to the existing CTS Version 3.x. and uses the 
same cal file, so upgrade does not require new calibration.This is 
actually stated on the web site.//


http://www.programmablepower.com/ac-power-source/CTS/Downloads.htm//

*Also, Windows-7 software for both - the CTS and also the Teseq 
Profline version can be downloaded from my web site*//


http://www.cnspoway.com///

//I will post WIN2100V4 version 4.17 shortly on my software download 
page ( I have 4.14 on there now). Teseq also has WIN2100V4 available for 
download from their web site.//


//I can also answer positively to the other question. Yes, I have 
developed a stand-alone (small) box that has a USB interface. The box 
can either interface to an existing PACS or CCN1000 unit, or it can 
fully replace the California Instruments / Teseq measurement unit. I 
attach a couple documents with screen shots and a sample test report. //


//The software for the new product is supported / owned / copy righted 
by CNS Inc./


John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote:

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in only a few 
years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts on how the 
test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Adam Dixon]

Both VMWare and college CS/engineering intern are good recommendations in
my opinion.

Here's a MATLAB code sample for the DIY 61000-4-7 route (not checked for
correctness, but see the 'Functions' tab):
https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/fileexchange/43496-iec-61000-4-7-for-harmonics-calculations


Cheers,
Adam in Atlanta



On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 5:19 PM, Ralph McDiarmid <
ralph.mcdiar...@schneider-electric.com> wrote:

> A co-op computer science student on a work term would probably wrestle
> that to the ground in short order.
>
> Ralph McDiarmid
> Product Compliance
> Engineering
> Solar Business
> Schneider Electric
>
>
> From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:26 PM
> To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
> Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics
>
> SECOND RESPONSE
> I see you asked about writing software. The math involved in IEC 61000-4-7
> and IEC 61000-4-15 is incredibly complicated. Of course, it could be
> re-coded, but it would be a major undertaking. The Block 5 math of
> 61000-4-15 is in fact under review at present, not for the first time.
> John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
> J M Woodgate and Associates http://www.woodjohn.uk
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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Ralph McDiarmid]

A co-op computer science student on a work term would probably wrestle that to 
the ground in short order.

Ralph McDiarmid
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From: John Woodgate [mailto:j...@woodjohn.uk] 
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Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

SECOND RESPONSE
I see you asked about writing software. The math involved in IEC 61000-4-7 and 
IEC 61000-4-15 is incredibly complicated. Of course, it could be re-coded, but 
it would be a major undertaking. The Block 5 math of 61000-4-15 is in fact 
under review at present, not for the first time.
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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Michael Cantwell]

Another option is run Win98 in a VMware and run the test software from
there. You can download VMware for free, and if it works out for you, you
can pay the $50 commercial license fee.

You can run the VMware image from a system that IT can support. And yes,
you can talk to the ports from a VMware image.

On Wed, Dec 20, 2017 at 4:03 PM, Cortland Richmond 
wrote:

> I'm awaiting a heart bypass operation in a long-term hotel chain's local
> facility, and they're still using a VT-520 terminal.
> If it ain't broke – it'll never break.
>
> Cortland Richmond
>
>
> On 12/20/2017 4:23 PM, James Pawson (U3C) wrote:
>
>> Full sympathies. Currently Win98 here!
>> James
>>
>>  Kunde, Brian wrote 
>>
>> It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting
>> California Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For
>> those of you who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker
>> emissions testing, you can sympathize.
>>
>> Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which
>> is no longer supported
>>
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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Allen]

Or maybe Digital Research DRDOS?

(DRDOS 6 was, for its time, “brilliant” IMHO, and a lot better than the 
then-current Microsoft equivalent J)

 

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Sent: 20 December 2017 22:04
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

 

Watch out! We'll get someone from Yorkshire saying that they still have to use 
QDOS. :-)

 

 


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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Ralph McDiarmid]

One way to sidestep the "we want to you upgrade that machine" nagging problem 
is to tell IT that engineering will assume responsibility for the asset and it 
will not be connected (an cannot log-on to) the company's LAN.  

I've told our IT dept "no that computer in the basement does not need 8G of ram 
nor does it need Windows 10, we're happy with it thanks and it only control 
this or that instrument and there is no network connectivity . . .  so kindly 
buzz off" (or words to that effect)  ;^))

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From: Kunde, Brian [mailto:brian_ku...@lecotc.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2017 1:14 PM
To: EMC-PSTC@LISTSERV.IEEE.ORG
Subject: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in 
only a few years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts 
on how the test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Woodgate]

Watch out! We'll get someone from Yorkshire saying that they still have 
to use QDOS. :-)


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J M Woodgate and Associates www.woodjohn.uk
Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-20 21:23, James Pawson (U3C) wrote:

Full sympathies. Currently Win98 here!
James

 Kunde, Brian wrote 

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting 
California Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  
For those of you who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and 
Flicker emissions testing, you can sympathize.


Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, 
which is no longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring 
me to upgrade. I contacted CI and found out that my current 
hardware/software will not run on anything newer than XP. I will once 
again have to update my A/D card and cable and software to THEIR 
latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.


So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that 
will ONLY work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to 
be unsupported in only a few years.


So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution 
that makes better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is 
compatible with the CI PACS and 3rd party software that will run on 
the latest PC and operating system (Win 10)??


Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and 
flicker?  It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a 
document or paper that describes how the data is collected and what 
math has to be applied to do the test?


Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but 
where I could still use the CT power supply?


I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this 
"turn-key" system about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a 
reason to become experts on how the test results are actually 
calculated and presented.


Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[Cortland Richmond]

I'm awaiting a heart bypass operation in a long-term hotel chain's local 
facility, and they're still using a VT-520 terminal.


If it ain't broke – it'll never break.

Cortland Richmond


On 12/20/2017 4:23 PM, James Pawson (U3C) wrote:

Full sympathies. Currently Win98 here!
James

 Kunde, Brian wrote 

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting 
California Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  
For those of you who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and 
Flicker emissions testing, you can sympathize.


Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, 
which is no longer supported


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Full sympathies. Currently Win98 here!
James

 Kunde, Brian wrote 

>It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
>Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
>who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
>can sympathize.
>
>Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
>longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
>contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
>anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and 
>cable and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.
>
>So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will 
>ONLY work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported 
>in only a few years.
>
>So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
>better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
>PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating 
>system (Win 10)??
>
>Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
>It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
>that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
>the test?
>
>Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
>could still use the CT power supply?
>
>I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" 
>system about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become 
>experts on how the test results are actually calculated and presented.
>
>Thanks to all for any advice.
>
>The Other Brian
>
>
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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

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SECOND RESPONSE

I see you asked about writing software. The math involved in IEC 
61000-4-7 and IEC 61000-4-15 is incredibly complicated. Of course, it 
could be re-coded, but it would be a major undertaking. The Block 5 math 
of 61000-4-15 is in fact under review at present, not for the first time.


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On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote:

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in only a few 
years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts on how the 
test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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Re: [PSES] CI Software Flicker/Harmonics

[John Woodgate]

I will ask someone who might know.  It's not a good scenario.

John Woodgate OOO-Own Opinions Only
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Rayleigh, Essex UK

On 2017-12-20 21:13, Kunde, Brian wrote:

It will be difficult for me to ask what I want without insulting California 
Instruments (Emetek), so I apologize in advance if I fail.  For those of you 
who owns a CI CTS Series for doing Harmonic and Flicker emissions testing, you 
can sympathize.

Our CTS system is currently running off of a Windows XP computer, which is no 
longer supported by MS. So our IT guys/gals are pressuring me to upgrade. I 
contacted CI and found out that my current hardware/software will not run on 
anything newer than XP.  I will once again have to update my A/D card and cable 
and software to THEIR latest which will only run on 32bit Windows 7.

So it is going to cost me $5K-$8KUSD to "upgrade" to CI's latest that will ONLY 
work on a 12 year old operating system and which is due to be unsupported in only a few 
years.

So here is my request. Does anyone out there have another solution that makes 
better sense?  How about a modern A/D system that is compatible with the CI 
PACS and 3rd party software that will run on the latest PC and operating system 
(Win 10)??

Has anyone attempted to write their own software to do harmonics and flicker?  
It seems complicated from reading the standard. Is there a document or paper 
that describes how the data is collected and what math has to be applied to do 
the test?

Is there a 3rd party solution that replaces the CI PACS system but where I 
could still use the CT power supply?

I apologize for my ignorance on this topic. We purchased this "turn-key" system 
about 15 years ago and since it works we never had a reason to become experts on how the 
test results are actually calculated and presented.

Thanks to all for any advice.

The Other Brian




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