Re: Y3K
Derek Walton wrote: > > Gary, > > as a European school kid, we had it driven into us that: > > K is for the binary world, i.e. 1K=1024 > k is the metric symbol for 1000 > > The trouble comes in when folks get sloppy and substitute willy nilly. Perhaps > we should measure current in volts...;-))) Someone on this thread mentioned the new IEC units for binary numbers 1024=killi (ki) etc. The following posting is from the T11 reflector. The website refered to is www.t11.org try the DOCS link on the left. When downloading documents click on the file desription PDF TXT etc on the right of the file name to download. __start of posting_ * * From the fc reflector, posted by: * Ed Grivna * Hi Gang, it took a while, but I was able to track down the IEC reference that documents usage of extensions to the SI system of units for binary-weighted numbers. The IEC standard is: IEC 60027-2. Letter symbols to be used in electrical technology. Part-2: Telecommunications and electronics. Amendment 2, 1999-01. I have also found out that the IEEE has a draft standard in place (P1541/D2) documenting the usage of these same units. I will post a copy of the IEEE draft, and a couple pages of the IEC standard to the t11 web site. With this information in hand, I will be making a formal request for adoption of same at the next T11.2 and T11 plenaries. end of posting___ Regards, -- Regards Dave Instone. Compliance Engineer Test Systems, MP24/22 Xyratex, Langstone Rd., Havant, Hampshire, P09 1SA, UK. Tel: +44 (0)23-92-496862 (direct line) Fax: +44 (0)23-92-496014 http://www.xyratex.com Tel: +44 (0)23-92-486363 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
In my notes from university (when cps was prevalent) I see that originally kcps was written and even mcps (handwriting was terrible hard to tell whether the m was capital or not, the m for millivolts was always written mV), then when the change to Hertz came about (that probably should be hertz) all of a sudden the k became a capital K, as in: KHz KOhm & KVolts, MHz & MOhm, GHz & GOhm all meaning LARGE mHz, mOhm, mV & mA, uV uF uT & uA, nV nF nT & nA, pV pF pT & pA, fV fF fT & fA all meaning SMALL So it appeared the common sense approach started to reign with the descriptor as capital for large values and small letter for small values with the denominations capital to show you've come to the end of the descriptor and are now reading the denomination, else Farad would be misinterpreted as femto. Since this "adopted" protocol is so readable, you'd be hard pressed to get me to change now. - Robert - -Original Message- From: Ralph Cameron To: roger.vi...@wwgsolutions.com ; emc-p...@majordomo.ieee.org List-Post: emc-pstc@listserv.ieee.org Date: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 7:57 AM Subject: Re: Y3K > >Roger, > >Most of this problem occurs from the Latin M= 1000 >and the Greek K=1000 What came later just confused the issue- is this an >example of a decision >by committee(s) ? > >Ralph Cameron > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Roger, Most of this problem occurs from the Latin M= 1000 and the Greek K=1000 What came later just confused the issue- is this an example of a decision by committee(s) ? Ralph Cameron - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2000 5:38 AM Subject: RE: Y3K > > > Thanks to all who made their comments following my complaint about the misuse of > K for 1000. Maybe a final word about this problem! > > The IEC (even more pedantic!) are attempting to fix this by creating a new set > of units for binary multiples (Amendment 2 to IEC International Standard IEC > 60027-2: Letter symbols to be used in electrical technology - Part 2: > Telecommunications and electronics.): > > Ki (kibi) = 2E10 (1024) > > Mi (mebi)= 2E20 (1 048 576) > > Gi (gibi) = 2E30 (1 073 741 824) etc. > > For details (and to check this is not some early April 1 joke) see the SI prefix > description on the US National Institute of Standards and Technology website at: > http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html (confirms that x1000 is small > k!) and then the binary prefix description at: > > http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html > > > I don?t see the whole IT industry changing its usage to this new set of prefixes > ! > > > Roger > > > > > Gary McInturff on 06/01/2000 22:49:38 > > Please respond to Gary McInturff > > To: "'Egon H. Varju'" , EMC-PSTC > cc:(bcc: Roger Viles/PLY/Global) > > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > > > Oh my last birthday my children wanted to know if I was really, really sad > when the Dinosaur's all died - heavy sigh! > Anyway - M is for Mega or 1,000,000 and K for Kilo or 1,000 > But I'm sorta betting you're getting tired of hearing that. > Gary > -Original Message- > From: Egon H. Varju [mailto:e...@varju.bc.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:17 AM > To: EMC-PSTC > Subject: Re: Y3K > > > > >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 > ohms. Guess > >going metric changed everything. > > Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to > be = 1 000 000 > ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... > > Egon :-) > > __ > > Egon H. Varju, PEng > E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. > North Vancouver, Canada > > Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM > Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL > > E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca > eva...@compuserve.com > egon.va...@csa-international.org > __ > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
Thanks to all who made their comments following my complaint about the misuse of K for 1000. Maybe a final word about this problem! The IEC (even more pedantic!) are attempting to fix this by creating a new set of units for binary multiples (Amendment 2 to IEC International Standard IEC 60027-2: Letter symbols to be used in electrical technology - Part 2: Telecommunications and electronics.): Ki (kibi) = 2E10 (1024) Mi (mebi)= 2E20 (1 048 576) Gi (gibi) = 2E30 (1 073 741 824) etc. For details (and to check this is not some early April 1 joke) see the SI prefix description on the US National Institute of Standards and Technology website at: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/prefixes.html (confirms that x1000 is small k!) and then the binary prefix description at: http://physics.nist.gov/cuu/Units/binary.html I don?t see the whole IT industry changing its usage to this new set of prefixes ! Roger Gary McInturff on 06/01/2000 22:49:38 Please respond to Gary McInturff To: "'Egon H. Varju'" , EMC-PSTC cc:(bcc: Roger Viles/PLY/Global) Subject: RE: Y3K Oh my last birthday my children wanted to know if I was really, really sad when the Dinosaur's all died - heavy sigh! Anyway - M is for Mega or 1,000,000 and K for Kilo or 1,000 But I'm sorta betting you're getting tired of hearing that. Gary -Original Message- From: Egon H. Varju [mailto:e...@varju.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: Y3K >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess >going metric changed everything. Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to be = 1 000 000 ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... Egon :-) __ Egon H. Varju, PEng E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. North Vancouver, Canada Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca eva...@compuserve.com egon.va...@csa-international.org __ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
I wrote: > But I'm going to bite (though I'll regret it later no doubt) - what's > CPS? Yes, I regret asking... funny how some things are just too obvious? Especially as most of my test equipment is marked in Mc/s. Regards, Mark PS has anyone got an Excel spread sheet they can send me to convert between cps and Hz, so that I don't have to plot any of those complicated graphs? -- Mark Hone Wellman CJB Limited Email: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk Airport Service Road Tel: +44 (0)2392 629239 (Direct) Portsmouth, HampshireTel: +44 (0)2392 664911 PO3 5PG, ENGLAND Fax: +44 (0)2392 697864 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Hi Wolf, Yes, 53kbps does seem to ring the bell. With my POP located a mile from the CO, the connection speed rarely exceeds 49kbps using an USR 56K Sportster modem. My other Lucent 56K Winmodem usually achieves a 37kbps connection speed from the same POP. Thanks for the confirmation. Regards, Dan Kwok wolfgang_josenh...@3com.com wrote: > Dan, > The speed limit for 56K modem is approx. 53Kb/s due to the digital interface > encoded signal power limit of -11dBm per the FCC rules. > > The actual speed obtained is based upon the noise level, distance from your > POP > and line losses present. Suffice it to say that 53kb/s speeds are obtainable > only if you are located less than 1 mile from RBOC point of presence. > > Regards, > > Wolf Josenhans > -- = Dan KwokVancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc. Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com "FREE EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com"; = - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Hi Anil, I regularly achieve speeds in excess of 150kbits/sec (or is it K, oh well) dowloading plain text log files from my website over a "56k" modem. This is possible because most modern modems do compression which works very well on text files and bmp impages, and not very well on jpeg images since they are already compressed. Doug Anil Allamaneni wrote: > > I dont think this is right. There are times when my modem says data is being > transferred at 10k/s. So does that mean actual throughput is 10x8 = 80kbps > from a 56kbps modem ?? Data transfer over an analog line would essentially > depend on your line and the distance from CO (besides your system). > > Remember, a 56kpbs modem is not promising data transfer at 56kbps; what the > modem does do is PROCESS information (you know..modulation...demodulation) > at 56kbps. So for the same data transfer of 4k/s a 56k modem would appear to > be "faster" than a 28.8k modem. It is smart; it understands faster :-) > > To transfer data at speeds higher than 10k/s you need to "Push" and "pull" > the information over an analog line. Standard modems can't do that. But DSL > modems can. > > Anil > > -Original Message- > From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf > Of Dan Kwok > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:02 PM > To: EMC-PSTC Group > Subject: Y3K > > Hello everyone; > > Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for > many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download > speeds: K/sec versus kbps. > > It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files > at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated > on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec > actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot > closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the > range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. > > -- > === > Dan Kwok Vancouver, BC, Canada > Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 > > Email dk...@intetron.com > *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com > === > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). -- --- ___ _ Doug Smith \ / ) P.O. Box 1457 = Los Gatos, CA 95031-1457 _ / \ / \ _ TEL/FAX: 408-356-4186/358-3799 / /\ \ ] / /\ \ Mobile: 408-858-4528 | q-( ) | o |Email: d...@dsmith.org \ _ /]\ _ / Website: http://www.dsmith.org --- - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Anil Allamaneni wrote: > > I might have "faux-pas"ed (nice way of saying, "screwed up"). Apologies! > Hi Anil, No harm done. There is a modem speed test at http://www.computingcentral.com/topics/bandwidth/ . Click on "Bandwidth Speed Test" and try it out. -- = Dan KwokVancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc. Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com "Free EMC Tips @ our web site http://www.intetron.com"; == - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
I might have "faux-pas"ed (nice way of saying, "screwed up"). Apologies! -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Dan Kwok Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 8:03 PM To: Anil Allamaneni; EMC-TSTC Group Subject: Re: Y3K Anil Allamaneni wrote: > > I dont think this is right. There are times when my modem says data is being > transferred at 10k/s. So does that mean actual throughput is 10x8 = 80kbps > from a 56kbps modem ?? Data transfer over an analog line would essentially > depend on your line and the distance from CO (besides your system). > Yes, I've seen 10K/sec data transfers with my modem too but only on short bursts and usually with ftp connections. Otherwise, for typical downloading from the WWW, I rarely encounter transfer rates of more than 5 K/sec which translates to about 40 kbps- quite acceptable. According to my ISP, mauufacturers limit the speed of 56 Kbps modems to about 50 Kbps in order to reduce emissions. Anyone here care to comment? Regards, Dan - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
At 12:58 AM 08/01/2000 , you wrote: I saw a CPS to Hz conversion chart in a military (AF) test report back in the 70s. The 'X' axis (CPS) was decimal and the 'Y' axis (Hz) was Log. It provided an interesting conversion curve. It even had a formula to do the conversion long hand. We need more of this type of aids today =; > This brings to mind many jokes about "military intelligence." Indeed, I can see how they can consider this conversion to be extremely complicated, requiring a supercomputer and several rocket scientists on staff. I hear that the conversion program ran for several years, costing millions, and finally came up with the long-awaited answer: 42. Of course, those of us that don't have this kind of funding, have to do the conversion long hand. As complicated as it may seem, it actually can be done, by applying the complex formula: 1 CPS = 1 Hz Egon :-) "Beam me up Scotty. There is no intelligent life on this planet." __ Egon H. Varju, PEng E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. North Vancouver, Canada Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca eva...@compuserve.com egon.va...@csa-international.org __ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Ralph Cameron wrote: > > Hans and Dan: > > You're overlooking the fact that by definition in modern computers a byte = > 8 bits so when they say 100Mb drive they mean exactly that, 100 megabytes = > 800 megabits capacity. ( if you ignore the parity bit which is seldom > transmitted or recorded.). . Yes, I understand that part. The point I was trying to make is, the indication on the browser was "K/sec". Had the indication been kB/sec, that would have made the connection between kByte and kbit much more obvious. But that was not to be... Regards, Dan -- = Dan KwokVancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc. Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com "Free EMC Tips @ our web site http://www.intetron.com"; == - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Anil Allamaneni wrote: > > I dont think this is right. There are times when my modem says data is being > transferred at 10k/s. So does that mean actual throughput is 10x8 = 80kbps > from a 56kbps modem ?? Data transfer over an analog line would essentially > depend on your line and the distance from CO (besides your system). > Yes, I've seen 10K/sec data transfers with my modem too but only on short bursts and usually with ftp connections. Otherwise, for typical downloading from the WWW, I rarely encounter transfer rates of more than 5 K/sec which translates to about 40 kbps- quite acceptable. According to my ISP, mauufacturers limit the speed of 56 Kbps modems to about 50 Kbps in order to reduce emissions. Anyone here care to comment? Regards, Dan - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Hans and Dan: You're overlooking the fact that by definition in modern computers a byte = 8 bits so when they say 100Mb drive they mean exactly that, 100 megabytes = 800 megabits capacity. ( if you ignore the parity bit which is seldom transmitted or recorded.). . A 56K modem downloads files at 5Kbytes/sec = approx. 40kbps with the usual line loading. Ralph Cameron EMC Consultant and Suppression of Consumer Electronic Equipment (After Sale) - Original Message - From: "Dan Kwok" To: "EMC-PSTC Group" Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 6:01 PM Subject: Y3K > > Hello everyone; > > Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for > many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download > speeds: K/sec versus kbps. > > It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files > at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated > on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec > actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot > closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the > range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. > > > -- > === > Dan Kwok Vancouver, BC, Canada > Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 > > Email dk...@intetron.com > *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com > === > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
I dont think this is right. There are times when my modem says data is being transferred at 10k/s. So does that mean actual throughput is 10x8 = 80kbps from a 56kbps modem ?? Data transfer over an analog line would essentially depend on your line and the distance from CO (besides your system). Remember, a 56kpbs modem is not promising data transfer at 56kbps; what the modem does do is PROCESS information (you know..modulation...demodulation) at 56kbps. So for the same data transfer of 4k/s a 56k modem would appear to be "faster" than a 28.8k modem. It is smart; it understands faster :-) To transfer data at speeds higher than 10k/s you need to "Push" and "pull" the information over an analog line. Standard modems can't do that. But DSL modems can. Anil -Original Message- From: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org [mailto:owner-emc-p...@ieee.org]On Behalf Of Dan Kwok Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 3:02 PM To: EMC-PSTC Group Subject: Y3K Hello everyone; Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download speeds: K/sec versus kbps. It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. -- === Dan Kwok Vancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com === - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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kHz should stay this way, I think the large "K" was some kind of marketing abuse milli should still be small "m" micro should use a small "u" :-) rehel...@mmm.com wrote: > Recall it? I still use it ! > > === > > m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk (Mark) on 01/07/2000 07:00:20 AM > > Please respond to m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk (Mark) > > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > cc: (bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) > Subject: Re: Y3K > > > Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS > > unit. :-) > > > > Best regards, > > Ron Pickard > > rpick...@hypercom.com > When I was at school, we used fps Imperial units. Then > everything changed and we used cgs (centimetre, gram, second). > Then we changed again, to mks (metre, kilogram, second). And > finally we moved to SI (Systeme International). Since we were > using slide rules and log tables, getting the decimal point in the > right place was mostly guess work anyway, so the metric > changes weren't too bad, and I can now class myself as > incompetent in all units of measurement. > > But I'm going to bite (though I'll regret it later no doubt) - what's > CPS? > > Regards, Mark > > -- > Mark Hone > > Wellman CJB Limited Email: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk > Airport Service Road Tel: +44 (0)2392 629239 (Direct) > Portsmouth, HampshireTel: +44 (0)2392 664911 > PO3 5PG, ENGLAND Fax: +44 (0)2392 697864 > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Hello everyone; Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download speeds: K/sec versus kbps. It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. -- === Dan Kwok Vancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com === - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Y3K
Hello everyone; Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download speeds: K/sec versus kbps. It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. -- === Dan Kwok, P.Eng. Vancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com === - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Hello everyone; Of the more recent units that have been a major source of confusion for many Internet users, myself included, were the units for download speeds: K/sec versus kbps. It made a lot of users wonder why their 56K modem only downloaded files at 5K/sec instead of say- 40 kbps. It turns out the 5K/sec as indicated on the browser, is actually based on an 8-bit word length so 5K/sec actually represented 5x8 or 40 kilo-bits-per-second. That is a lot closer to 56 kbps even though typical connection speed is limited to the range of 40-50 kbps for most ISPs. -- === Dan Kwok Vancouver, BC, Canada Intetron Consulting, Inc.Telephone 604.432.9874 Email dk...@intetron.com *FREE* EMC Tips @ our website http://www.intetron.com === - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Cycles per second Ghery Pettit Intel -Original Message- From: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk [mailto:m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk] Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 5:00 AM To: emc-p...@ieee.org Subject: Re: Y3K > Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS > unit. :-) > > Best regards, > Ron Pickard > rpick...@hypercom.com When I was at school, we used fps Imperial units. Then everything changed and we used cgs (centimetre, gram, second). Then we changed again, to mks (metre, kilogram, second). And finally we moved to SI (Systeme International). Since we were using slide rules and log tables, getting the decimal point in the right place was mostly guess work anyway, so the metric changes weren't too bad, and I can now class myself as incompetent in all units of measurement. But I'm going to bite (though I'll regret it later no doubt) - what's CPS? Regards, Mark -- Mark Hone Wellman CJB Limited Email: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk Airport Service Road Tel: +44 (0)2392 629239 (Direct) Portsmouth, HampshireTel: +44 (0)2392 664911 PO3 5PG, ENGLAND Fax: +44 (0)2392 697864 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Recall it? I still use it ! === m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk (Mark) on 01/07/2000 07:00:20 AM Please respond to m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk (Mark) To: emc-p...@ieee.org cc:(bcc: Robert E. Heller/US-Corporate/3M/US) Subject: Re: Y3K > Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS > unit. :-) > > Best regards, > Ron Pickard > rpick...@hypercom.com When I was at school, we used fps Imperial units. Then everything changed and we used cgs (centimetre, gram, second). Then we changed again, to mks (metre, kilogram, second). And finally we moved to SI (Systeme International). Since we were using slide rules and log tables, getting the decimal point in the right place was mostly guess work anyway, so the metric changes weren't too bad, and I can now class myself as incompetent in all units of measurement. But I'm going to bite (though I'll regret it later no doubt) - what's CPS? Regards, Mark -- Mark Hone Wellman CJB Limited Email: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk Airport Service Road Tel: +44 (0)2392 629239 (Direct) Portsmouth, HampshireTel: +44 (0)2392 664911 PO3 5PG, ENGLAND Fax: +44 (0)2392 697864 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Not so strange these circuits from 1926- figs 34 and 34 are examples. Parallel , Yes. Ralph - Original Message - From: "Egon H. Varju" To: "EMC-PSTC" Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 12:17 PM Subject: Re: Y3K > > > >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess > >going metric changed everything. > > Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to be = 1 000 000 > ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... > > Egon :-) > > __ > > Egon H. Varju, PEng > E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. > North Vancouver, Canada > > Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM > Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL > > E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca >eva...@compuserve.com >egon.va...@csa-international.org > __ > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > <>
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Jim: I just plotted 7 decades of test data to check this out. Did you also know that if you use a linear Y axis instead of your recommended log format, that the data plots as a perfectly straight line? Incredible! I'll bet there's some fundamental, yet hidden truth, in this relationship. Next, I'm going to make BOTH axes log, and see what happens then. Ed :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) Ed Price ed.pr...@cubic.com Electromagnetic Compatibility Lab Cubic Defense Systems San Diego, CA. USA 858-505-2780 (Voice) 858-505-1583 (Fax) Military & Avionics EMC Services Is Our Specialty Shake-Bake-Shock - Metrology - Reliability Analysis :-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-):-) > -Original Message- > From: oover...@lexmark.com [SMTP:oover...@lexmark.com] > Sent: Friday, January 07, 2000 8:59 AM > To: james_al...@milgo.com > Cc: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > I saw a CPS to Hz conversion chart in a military (AF) test report back in > the > 70s. > > The 'X' axis (CPS) was decimal and the 'Y' axis (Hz) was Log. > > It provided an interesting conversion curve. It even had a formula to do > the > conversion long hand. > > We need more of this type of aids today =; > > > > > > > james_allan%milgo@interlock.lexmark.com on 01/07/2000 09:43:34 AM > > Please respond to james_allan%milgo@interlock.lexmark.com > > To: rpickard%hypercom@interlock.lexmark.com, > emc-pstc%ieee@interlock.lexmark.com > cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > > Seems like I remember a trade magazine editorial many years ago when Hertz > was first being used in the US by NASA. This editor was of the opinion > that > Steinmetz was the first practical user of alternating current systems and > thus deserved the honor more than Hertz. Since Steinmetzes was a bit of a > mouthful he proposed using only his initials as an abbreviation. > Steinmetz > was named Charles P. which abbreviated to CPS. > > Jim Allan > Senior Compliance Engineer > Milgo Solutions Inc. > E-mail james_al...@milgo.com > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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I forgot everybody... you don't know what CPS is ??? that Hertz... Bill Owsley, EMC Engineer EMC Design - Do It First... Do It Last... But It must be Done... - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Hans, The disk drive capacity is always expressed in Megabytes (the new ones are expressed in Gigabytes). However, when they talk of recording density on a disk surface, it is expressed in bits (or Megabits/Gigabits) per square inch. The current recording density achieved in laboratory is over 35 Gigabits /square inch. Regards, Ravinder PCB Development and Design Department IBM Corporation - Storage Systems Division *** Always do right. This will gratify some people and astonish the rest. Mark Twain Hans Mellberg @ieee.org on 01/07/2000 10:02:09 AM Please respond to Hans Mellberg Sent by: owner-emc-p...@ieee.org To: Derek Walton , Gary McInturff cc: "'Egon H. Varju'" , EMC-PSTC Subject: Re: Y3K speaking of garbled use of units, How many buy hardrives in bits? everyone I hear says "bytes" as in a 10 megabyte HD. They even abbreviate is as 10 MB when it should be called a 10 Megabit drive (10 Mb) with little b as big B is for Byte. = Best Regards Hans Mellberg EMC Consultant - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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> Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS > unit. :-) > > Best regards, > Ron Pickard > rpick...@hypercom.com When I was at school, we used fps Imperial units. Then everything changed and we used cgs (centimetre, gram, second). Then we changed again, to mks (metre, kilogram, second). And finally we moved to SI (Systeme International). Since we were using slide rules and log tables, getting the decimal point in the right place was mostly guess work anyway, so the metric changes weren't too bad, and I can now class myself as incompetent in all units of measurement. But I'm going to bite (though I'll regret it later no doubt) - what's CPS? Regards, Mark -- Mark Hone Wellman CJB Limited Email: m...@cjbdev.demon.co.uk Airport Service Road Tel: +44 (0)2392 629239 (Direct) Portsmouth, HampshireTel: +44 (0)2392 664911 PO3 5PG, ENGLAND Fax: +44 (0)2392 697864 - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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speaking of garbled use of units, How many buy hardrives in bits? everyone I hear says "bytes" as in a 10 megabyte HD. They even abbreviate is as 10 MB when it should be called a 10 Megabit drive (10 Mb) with little b as big B is for Byte. = Best Regards Hans Mellberg EMC Consultant __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Our magazine's standard is k for both 1000 and for 1024. So, 1024 bytes appears as 1 kbyte (we always spell out byte. I suppose we'd use k for Boltzmann's constant. Upper case K is for Kelvin. We use M for mega (1 million) and m for milli (1/1000). We also use M for the binary, as in 1 Mbytes. /\ | Martin Rowe | / \ | Senior Technical Editor | /\ /\ | Test & Measurement World | / \/ \/\ | voice 617-558-4426 |/\ /\ / \/ | fax 617-928-4426 | \/ \/ | e-mail m.r...@ieee.org | \ / | http://www.tmworld.com |\/ -- > According to IEEE's standard dictionary of Electrical and Electronics Terms, > there are two meanings for k (lower case) and two for K (upper case): > > K:cathode (vacuum tube) > K:kelvin > k:kilo > k:Bolzmann's constant > > Note: They do NOT list M (caps) as Mega, but do list m (lower case) as > milli. > > The 1998 EMC Encyclopedia shows M = mega and m = milli. > > Mike Hopkins > KeyTek > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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I saw a CPS to Hz conversion chart in a military (AF) test report back in the 70s. The 'X' axis (CPS) was decimal and the 'Y' axis (Hz) was Log. It provided an interesting conversion curve. It even had a formula to do the conversion long hand. We need more of this type of aids today =; > james_allan%milgo@interlock.lexmark.com on 01/07/2000 09:43:34 AM Please respond to james_allan%milgo@interlock.lexmark.com To: rpickard%hypercom@interlock.lexmark.com, emc-pstc%ieee@interlock.lexmark.com cc:(bcc: Oscar Overton/Lex/Lexmark) Subject: RE: Y3K Seems like I remember a trade magazine editorial many years ago when Hertz was first being used in the US by NASA. This editor was of the opinion that Steinmetz was the first practical user of alternating current systems and thus deserved the honor more than Hertz. Since Steinmetzes was a bit of a mouthful he proposed using only his initials as an abbreviation. Steinmetz was named Charles P. which abbreviated to CPS. Jim Allan Senior Compliance Engineer Milgo Solutions Inc. E-mail james_al...@milgo.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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>From a previous life where we tried to build computer boxes using plastic, it was; CPS = Cheap Plastic S... sometimes referred to as case hardened latex. Bill Owsley, EMC Engineer EMC Design - Do It First... Do It Last... But It must be Done... - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Seems like I remember a trade magazine editorial many years ago when Hertz was first being used in the US by NASA. This editor was of the opinion that Steinmetz was the first practical user of alternating current systems and thus deserved the honor more than Hertz. Since Steinmetzes was a bit of a mouthful he proposed using only his initials as an abbreviation. Steinmetz was named Charles P. which abbreviated to CPS. Jim Allan Senior Compliance Engineer Milgo Solutions Inc. E-mail james_al...@milgo.com > -Original Message- > From: Ron Pickard/Hypercom/US [SMTP:rpick...@hypercom.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 10:09 AM > To: emc-p...@ieee.org > Subject: Re: Y3K > > > > Hello all, > > Personally, I thought the Y3.doc was fairly clever, even making it > non-readable. Maybe the meeting place is encrypted or coded into the > document? > > Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS unit. > :-) > > Best regards, > Ron Pickard > rpick...@hypercom.com > > > > > > > > > > "Ralph > > Cameron" To: > , "Jon Griver" > > > et> cc: > > Sent by: Subject: Re: Y3K > > owner-emc-pst > > c...@ieee.org > > > > > > 01/05/00 > > 03:14 PM > > Please > > respond to > > "Ralph > > Cameron" > > > > > > > > > > Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess > going metric changed everything. > > Ralph Cameron > > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Jon Griver" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:09 PM > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > > > > > > > Personally I'm still waiting for another 48 years until the Y2K bug > bites! > > > > Aside from its real meaning as degrees Kelvin, capital K was first used > by > the > > computer guys as a de-facto agreed unit for binary thousand (1024) as in > Kbytes. > > Sloppiness by the financial community led to its use there for thousands > of > > dollars, etc. and ignorance by the media has resulted in its general > use. > > Together with the shorthand loved by Americans this has led to Y2K! > > > > However of course the official unit for 1000 has always been lower case > k, > as in > > km, kHz, etc. > > > > Happy Y2k ! (I won't see Y2K!) > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > - > > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
According to IEEE's standard dictionary of Electrical and Electronics Terms, there are two meanings for k (lower case) and two for K (upper case): K: cathode (vacuum tube) K: kelvin k: kilo k: Bolzmann's constant Note: They do NOT list M (caps) as Mega, but do list m (lower case) as milli. The 1998 EMC Encyclopedia shows M = mega and m = milli. Mike Hopkins KeyTek > -Original Message- > From: Gary McInturff [SMTP:gmcintu...@telect.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 5:50 PM > To: 'Egon H. Varju'; EMC-PSTC > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > Oh my last birthday my children wanted to know if I was really, really sad > when the Dinosaur's all died - heavy sigh! > Anyway - M is for Mega or 1,000,000 and K for Kilo or 1,000 > But I'm sorta betting you're getting tired of hearing that. > Gary > -Original Message- > From: Egon H. Varju [mailto:e...@varju.bc.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:17 AM > To: EMC-PSTC > Subject:Re: Y3K > > > > >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 > ohms. Guess > >going metric changed everything. > > Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to > be = 1 000 000 > ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... > > Egon :-) > > __ > > Egon H. Varju, PEng > E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. > North Vancouver, Canada > > Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM > Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL > > E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca > eva...@compuserve.com > egon.va...@csa-international.org > __ > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Gary, as a European school kid, we had it driven into us that: K is for the binary world, i.e. 1K=1024 k is the metric symbol for 1000 The trouble comes in when folks get sloppy and substitute willy nilly. Perhaps we should measure current in volts...;-))) Derek. Gary McInturff wrote: > Oh my last birthday my children wanted to know if I was really, really sad > when the Dinosaur's all died - heavy sigh! > Anyway - M is for Mega or 1,000,000 and K for Kilo or 1,000 > But I'm sorta betting you're getting tired of hearing that. > Gary > -Original Message- > From: Egon H. Varju [mailto:e...@varju.bc.ca] > Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:17 AM > To: EMC-PSTC > Subject:Re: Y3K > > >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 > ohms. Guess > >going metric changed everything. > > Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to > be = 1 000 000 > ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... > > Egon :-) > > __ > > Egon H. Varju, PEng > E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. > North Vancouver, Canada > > Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM > Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL > > E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca >eva...@compuserve.com >egon.va...@csa-international.org > __ > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
Oh my last birthday my children wanted to know if I was really, really sad when the Dinosaur's all died - heavy sigh! Anyway - M is for Mega or 1,000,000 and K for Kilo or 1,000 But I'm sorta betting you're getting tired of hearing that. Gary -Original Message- From: Egon H. Varju [mailto:e...@varju.bc.ca] Sent: Thursday, January 06, 2000 9:17 AM To: EMC-PSTC Subject:Re: Y3K >Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess >going metric changed everything. Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to be = 1 000 000 ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... Egon :-) __ Egon H. Varju, PEng E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. North Vancouver, Canada Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca eva...@compuserve.com egon.va...@csa-international.org __ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess going metric changed everything. Strange ... During my dinosaur hunting days, 1M ohm used to be = 1 000 000 ohms. Maybe we grew up in parallel universes ... Egon :-) __ Egon H. Varju, PEng E.H. Varju & Associates Ltd. North Vancouver, Canada Tel: 1 604 985 5710 HAVE MODEM Fax: 1 604 273 5815 WILL TRAVEL E-mail: e...@varju.bc.ca eva...@compuserve.com egon.va...@csa-international.org __ - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Hello all, Personally, I thought the Y3.doc was fairly clever, even making it non-readable. Maybe the meeting place is encrypted or coded into the document? Anyway, in waxing nostalgic, I wonder how many of us recall the CPS unit. :-) Best regards, Ron Pickard rpick...@hypercom.com "Ralph Cameron" To: , "Jon Griver" et> cc: Sent by: Subject: Re: Y3K owner-emc-pst c...@ieee.org 01/05/00 03:14 PM Please respond to "Ralph Cameron" Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess going metric changed everything. Ralph Cameron - Original Message - From: To: "Jon Griver" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > Personally I'm still waiting for another 48 years until the Y2K bug bites! > > Aside from its real meaning as degrees Kelvin, capital K was first used by the > computer guys as a de-facto agreed unit for binary thousand (1024) as in Kbytes. > Sloppiness by the financial community led to its use there for thousands of > dollars, etc. and ignorance by the media has resulted in its general use. > Together with the shorthand loved by Americans this has led to Y2K! > > However of course the official unit for 1000 has always been lower case k, as in > km, kHz, etc. > > Happy Y2k ! (I won't see Y2K!) > > Roger > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Greetings: I grew up and studied on the metric side of the pond. However, when I came to these here shores, "mhos" threw me for a loop. Successful New Millenium, whether metric or binary! Bogdan. Ralph Cameron wrote: > Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess > going metric changed everything. > > Ralph Cameron > > - Original Message - > From: > To: "Jon Griver" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:09 PM > Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > > > > > > Personally I'm still waiting for another 48 years until the Y2K bug bites! > > > > Aside from its real meaning as degrees Kelvin, capital K was first used by > the > > computer guys as a de-facto agreed unit for binary thousand (1024) as in > Kbytes. > > Sloppiness by the financial community led to its use there for thousands > of > > dollars, etc. and ignorance by the media has resulted in its general use. > > Together with the shorthand loved by Americans this has led to Y2K! > > > > However of course the official unit for 1000 has always been lower case k, > as in > > km, kHz, etc. > > > > Happy Y2k ! (I won't see Y2K!) > > > > Roger > > > > > > > > - > > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > > > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
Re: Y3K
Roger, way back in the days of the caveman, 1M ohms = 1000 ohms. Guess going metric changed everything. Ralph Cameron - Original Message - From: To: "Jon Griver" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 12:09 PM Subject: RE: Y3K > > > > Personally I'm still waiting for another 48 years until the Y2K bug bites! > > Aside from its real meaning as degrees Kelvin, capital K was first used by the > computer guys as a de-facto agreed unit for binary thousand (1024) as in Kbytes. > Sloppiness by the financial community led to its use there for thousands of > dollars, etc. and ignorance by the media has resulted in its general use. > Together with the shorthand loved by Americans this has led to Y2K! > > However of course the official unit for 1000 has always been lower case k, as in > km, kHz, etc. > > Happy Y2k ! (I won't see Y2K!) > > Roger > > > > - > This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. > To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org > with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the > quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, > jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or > roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
Personally I'm still waiting for another 48 years until the Y2K bug bites! Aside from its real meaning as degrees Kelvin, capital K was first used by the computer guys as a de-facto agreed unit for binary thousand (1024) as in Kbytes. Sloppiness by the financial community led to its use there for thousands of dollars, etc. and ignorance by the media has resulted in its general use. Together with the shorthand loved by Americans this has led to Y2K! However of course the official unit for 1000 has always been lower case k, as in km, kHz, etc. Happy Y2k ! (I won't see Y2K!) Roger - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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As an ex-programmer, I can say that Y3K shouldn't be a problem. But we really do have to be concerned about Y10K when we move from 4 digit to 5 digit years :) Jon Griver i-Spec.com The On-Line Compliance Guide http://www.i-spec.com >Y3K preparedness seminar >For those who thought they could sit back just because they survived Y2K. > >You will learn >How to create awareness >The advantages of early planning >How to communicate your problems >What companies have made plans for Y3K preparedness >What software is available for Y3K preparation. >Employment opportunities in the Y3K solutions field >How to use the media >Generating program funding >Threats of terrorism at Y3K >Useful web sites >Assessing the impact on your work and your family >What preparation steps should you take >Deployment >How to develop preparedness schedules >How to plan your investments >Readiness assessment >Post Y3K assessments and Y4K preparedness >Don't let Y3K sneak up on you. >Be prepared. >Seminar Date:April 1, 2000Location:A secure location in the Boston area. >Details upon registration.Payment:Send your money to Bob Johnson > >-Original Message- >From: raymond...@dixonsasia.com.hk [mailto:raymond...@dixonsasia.com.hk] >Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:32 AM >To: Robert Johnson >Cc: IEEE >Subject: Re: Y3K > > > > >Robert, > >Could you please tell us what the contents of Y3k.doc as it cannot be >opened by Word 97. > >Thanks, > >Raymond Li > > > > > > > >Robert Johnson on 05/01/2000 06:07:08 a > >Please respond to Robert Johnson > >To: IEEE >cc:(bcc: Raymond Li/DixonsNotes) > >Subject: Y3K > > > >- >This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. >To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org >with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the >quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, >jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or >roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators). > > > Jon Griver Managing Director i-Spec.com Ltd. i-Spec: Compliance On-Line http://www.i-spec.com email: jgri...@i-spec.com - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
RE: Y3K
Y3K preparedness seminar For those who thought they could sit back just because they survived Y2K. You will learn How to create awareness The advantages of early planning How to communicate your problems What companies have made plans for Y3K preparedness What software is available for Y3K preparation. Employment opportunities in the Y3K solutions field How to use the media Generating program funding Threats of terrorism at Y3K Useful web sites Assessing the impact on your work and your family What preparation steps should you take Deployment How to develop preparedness schedules How to plan your investments Readiness assessment Post Y3K assessments and Y4K preparedness Don't let Y3K sneak up on you. Be prepared. Seminar Date:April 1, 2000Location:A secure location in the Boston area. Details upon registration.Payment:Send your money to Bob Johnson -Original Message- From: raymond...@dixonsasia.com.hk [mailto:raymond...@dixonsasia.com.hk] Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2000 1:32 AM To: Robert Johnson Cc: IEEE Subject: Re: Y3K Robert, Could you please tell us what the contents of Y3k.doc as it cannot be opened by Word 97. Thanks, Raymond Li Robert Johnson on 05/01/2000 06:07:08 a Please respond to Robert Johnson To: IEEE cc:(bcc: Raymond Li/DixonsNotes) Subject: Y3K - This message is coming from the emc-pstc discussion list. To cancel your subscription, send mail to majord...@ieee.org with the single line: "unsubscribe emc-pstc" (without the quotes). For help, send mail to ed.pr...@cubic.com, jim_bac...@monarch.com, ri...@sdd.hp.com, or roger.volgst...@compaq.com (the list administrators).
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Robert, Could you please tell us what the contents of Y3k.doc as it cannot be opened by Word 97. Thanks, Raymond Li Robert Johnson on 05/01/2000 06:07:08 a Please respond to Robert Johnson To: IEEE cc:(bcc: Raymond Li/DixonsNotes) Subject: Y3K Y3K.doc Description: Lotus Manuscript 1.0
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