Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Chris Epicier

Brian

> I wonder if staring with a "stock
> Ubuntu 6.06" install and fiddle with
> peripherals, upgrade to stock 8.04 correcting any
> peripheral issues.  Once
> Stock 8.04 is working this way, only then installing EMC.
> 
> Not sure if this is a viable route.  I know upgrading
> Ubuntu 6.06 with EMC
> is a deal breaker, but doing a Stock upgrade first before
> loading EMC might
> work???

I did this with ubuntu 7.10. Stock 7.10 installs nicely. I then upgraded to 
stock 8.04 and again, no X11, black screen after starting to process initrd, 
thus loading the kernel. Going this way, I still sit on the very same Problem.

thx for the tip

greets chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot2 disabling download of FPGA configuration

2009-11-25 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Eric H. Johnson wrote:
> I mentioned a while back about a problem with an occasional run-away
> condition when dropping out and going back into EMC. I received some more
> information that they could tell when this would occur from a relay (I/O
> initialization) which will click when system comes up normally, and when
> they do not hear it, know they will have the run-away condition. I got a
> dmesg dump from immediately following the error, but the m5i20 seems to load
> properly. I did however post the dmesg dump here:
> http://pastebin.com/m106bc820

That dmesg looks perfectly normal.

When the computer powers on, the 5i20 I/O pins are all weakly pulled 
high.  When the hm2 driver & firmware loads, the state of the pins is 
determined by the firmware & config.  Pins configured as GPIOs default 
to inputs, which again are weakly pulled high.

On this machine, is the relay connected to an I/O pin configured as 
GPIO?  Is this I/O pin set to be an output in HAL (gpio.XXX.is_output = 1)?


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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Dave
Chris,

Did you try burning a second CD?  The first CD I burned two months ago 
would not install no matter what I did.  I went back and burned a second 
CD (on a windows machine using Nero, using the ISO I downloaded) and my 
problems vanished.

I figured I had a bad CD, however the live CD seems to be fairly 
sensitive during it's loading.  Have you tried a different CD drive?   
Can you swap out the one you have for another?

Dave

Chris Epicier wrote:
> Dear Richard 
>
> I guess many of you good guys are getting me wrong somehow:
>
>   
> The part that lets me stay unsatisfied is,
>   
>> that I
>> 
>   cannot boot or install ubuntu past 7.10.
>   
>> 8.04 emc live cd
>> 
> boots but the screen is garbled
>   
>
> I cannot *work* with the live cd in any way!
>
>   
>> I have found Midnight Commander (a visual file manager) to
>> be a very 
>> useful tool. It doesn't need x to run.
>> 
>
> I know mc and appreciate it as you do, every where I go it gets installed, 
> but I cannot install. So thanks for the hint.
>
> The tip I will be testing next, is to use a serial console, which will 
> hopefully get more light into this.
>
> best regards chris
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Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot2 disabling download of FPGA configuration

2009-11-25 Thread Sebastian Kuzminsky
Eric H. Johnson wrote:
> One thing I would like to try is to simply not load the FPGA configuration
> on initialization. I recall there was a switch for this in the old 5i20
> driver. Does that exit for the hostmot drivers, and what is it? I so far
> have not managed to find it.

It's in the hostmot2(9) manpage, in the "config modparam" section:



Look for the "firmware" subsection.


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2009-11-25 Thread Stuart Stevenson
I set them to zero on purpose. I use 'halcmd setp pid.3.Pgain xxx' to turn
it on and still get nothing. I have the Y axis and the W axis set to zero at
startup because I do not have them tuned yet. The brake on Y is sticking.

On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Chris Radek  wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:31:17PM -0600, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> > Gentlemen,
> >   I am unable to control the 4th linear axis (W). I get feedback for both
> > the scale and motor encoder through ppmc. I get no feedback to the
> screen. I
> > get no DAC output.
> >
> > config files are here
> > www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.ini
> > www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.hal
> > www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/touchy.hal
> >
> > suggestions - comments - what am I missing?
>
>
> Is it just that AXIS_8's pid gains are zero?
>
>
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2009-11-25 Thread Chris Radek
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 03:31:17PM -0600, Stuart Stevenson wrote:
> Gentlemen,
>   I am unable to control the 4th linear axis (W). I get feedback for both
> the scale and motor encoder through ppmc. I get no feedback to the screen. I
> get no DAC output.
> 
> config files are here
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.ini
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.hal
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/touchy.hal
> 
> suggestions - comments - what am I missing?


Is it just that AXIS_8's pid gains are zero?


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2009-11-25 Thread Leonardo Marsaglia
I'm not an expert but in the hal file when you set the feedback and the
scale for the W axis you used the pin axis.8.motor-pos-fb but i understand
that W is the number 9 axis.

I'm not sure if that affects the correct operation of the axis, but
something similar happened to me.

I hope i can help you with that, if not sorry for my poor knowledge hehe.

Best regards.

Leonardo.


2009/11/25 Stuart Stevenson 

> Gentlemen,
>  I am unable to control the 4th linear axis (W). I get feedback for both
> the scale and motor encoder through ppmc. I get no feedback to the screen.
> I
> get no DAC output.
>
> config files are here
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.ini
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.hal
> www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/touchy.hal
>
> suggestions - comments - what am I missing?
>
> thanks
> Stuart
>
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2009-11-25 Thread Stuart Stevenson
Gentlemen,
  I am unable to control the 4th linear axis (W). I get feedback for both
the scale and motor encoder through ppmc. I get no feedback to the screen. I
get no DAC output.

config files are here
www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.ini
www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/GL.hal
www.mpm1.com:8080/GandL/touchy.hal

suggestions - comments - what am I missing?

thanks
Stuart

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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/11/25 BRIAN GLACKIN :
>
> I wonder if staring with a "stock Ubuntu 6.06" install and fiddle with
> peripherals, upgrade to stock 8.04 correcting any peripheral issues.  Once
> Stock 8.04 is working this way, only then installing EMC.

Probably doable. Neo_the_user put together this how-to for me that
worked (building a custom kernel then compiling in-situ)

Though one would really hope for a less extreme solution.

http://neo-technical.wikispaces.com/emc2-ubuntu

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Re: [Emc-users] Installing

2009-11-25 Thread Frank Tkalcevic
> 8.04/EMC2 from Probotix, I tried running and installing 8.04 
> and it did not work, so I tried 6.06 which did not work with 
> my onboard video but did install when I used an ATI PCI video 
> card.  Every thing ran fine until the update manager asked if 
> I wanted to update to Ubuntu 8.04, I figured why not it 
> should keep the configuration and should run.  

Sorry for stating the obvious, but can't you revert back to 6.06?  

There are warnings sprinkled around the emc wiki warning not to perform
upgrades of the system.  You will end up with problems like you've had.

As for the 8.04 problem, when I first started with EMC, the 8.04 live CD ran
fine, but failed when I tried to install from it.  I had to change bios
settings for my disk drive...

> Enhanced Mode Support On:
>
> I had it set to "P-ATA+S-ATA".  I changed it to S-ATA.  


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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread BRIAN GLACKIN
I wonder if staring with a "stock Ubuntu 6.06" install and fiddle with
peripherals, upgrade to stock 8.04 correcting any peripheral issues.  Once
Stock 8.04 is working this way, only then installing EMC.

Not sure if this is a viable route.  I know upgrading Ubuntu 6.06 with EMC
is a deal breaker, but doing a Stock upgrade first before loading EMC might
work???

Just a thought.

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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Chris Epicier
Jon and Andy
> 
> > I know of no way to make the boot messages get copied
> to the serial port
> > live while it is booting.  That doesn't mean it isn't
> possible, though.
> 
> It might be a BIOS option. My CNC/EMC2 computer can do it,
> but it was
> designed as a server and I don't know how widespread
> the  facility is.

I do indeed hope I can get the output there, so I can really pin at what stage 
the textmode output while booting gets blacked out. I do not have enough time 
now but will have soon. I'll be back :-)

thx for the tips

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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Chris Epicier

Dear Richard 

I guess many of you good guys are getting me wrong somehow:
   
> >>> The part that lets me stay unsatisfied is,
> that I
> >>>  cannot boot or install ubuntu past 7.10.
> 8.04 emc live cd
> >>> boots but the screen is garbled

I cannot *work* with the live cd in any way!

> I have found Midnight Commander (a visual file manager) to
> be a very 
> useful tool. It doesn't need x to run.

I know mc and appreciate it as you do, every where I go it gets installed, but 
I cannot install. So thanks for the hint.

The tip I will be testing next, is to use a serial console, which will 
hopefully get more light into this.

best regards chris

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Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot2 disabling download of FPGA configuration

2009-11-25 Thread Rob Jansen
Jeff Epler wrote:
> based on reading the source code, simply not specifying firmware= will
> skip loading a firmware:
and as I remember this is confirmed by the documentation.
Good to know that the documentation and the source code are in line :-)

Just remember that specifying the firmware= will download the code 
directly into the FPGA.
In order to have to FPGA download its config from the EEPROM on the 
board you need to program it first

That is what I love on EMC; there is proper, up to date, documentation.
As a minus one might state that there is too much documentation to 
absorb it all ...

Regards,

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[Emc-users] Installing

2009-11-25 Thread Raymond Deucher
Hello All,
Sorry, I thought the message below would give a clue to what is wrong 
without having to go into the full history.
Here it is from the beginning:

I received live cd's with Ubuntu 6.06/EMC2 and Ubuntu 8.04/EMC2 from 
Probotix, I tried running and installing 8.04 and it did not work, so I tried 
6.06 which did not work with my onboard video but did install when I used an 
ATI PCI video card.  Every thing ran fine until the update manager asked if I 
wanted to update to Ubuntu 8.04, I figured why not it should keep the 
configuration and should run.  Of course I know now that the EMC is lost doing 
that, so I downloaded and ran the install script.  When I tried running EMC2 it 
returned the message "EMC2 requires the real time kernel 2.6.24-16-rtai to 
run."  I rebooted using the rtai kernel and got the Ubuntu progress bar for a 
long time, I walked away from the computer, when I returned I had the message 
detailed below on my screen.
Then I downloaded, did the checksum and burned the image of a new live cd 
from the EMC website,and Ubuntu 8.04.3 i386 and 8.04.3 amd64 from the Ubuntu 
website.  The new live cd still did not work.  Both versions of Ubuntu worked 
until I ran the EMC2 install script and tried booting the rtai kernel.
Now I stayed in front of the computer while waiting for it to boot the rtai 
kernel and found there was another message that preceded the one detailed 
below, and it was different for each way I tried to boot the system
.
Trying to run or install from the live cd with the ATI video card I 
received the following message:

vdevd-event [1285]: run-program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit

Trying to run or install from the live cd with the onboard video, I 
received the following message:

vdevd-event [1290]: run-program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit

Trying to boot the rtai kernel from the hard drive with the ATI card I 
received the following message:

vdevd-event [1277]: run-program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit


Trying to boot the rtai kernel from the hard drive with the onboard video I 
received the following message: 

vdevd-event [1280]: run-program: '/sbin/modprobe' abnormal exit

I hope that this is enough information to solve the problem but not so much 
that it puts you all to sleep reading it!

Ray


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8.04 and it ran fine, but when I installed EMC2 and tried booting the rtai 
kernel I received this message:

Loading, please wait...
check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices : 
cat/proc/modules ls/dev
ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/04305177-f75e-4da0-8f56-f258c89ba7db does not exist.  
Dropping to shell!

I know nothing about Linux, is there any chance someone can explain how to fix 
this problem?




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Re: [Emc-users] Hostmot2 disabling download of FPGA configuration

2009-11-25 Thread Jeff Epler
On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 10:51:40AM -0500, Eric H. Johnson wrote:
> One thing I would like to try is to simply not load the FPGA configuration
> on initialization. I recall there was a switch for this in the old 5i20
> driver. Does that exit for the hostmot drivers, and what is it? I so far
> have not managed to find it.

based on reading the source code, simply not specifying firmware= will
skip loading a firmware:
static int hm2_parse_config_string(hostmot2_t *hm2, char *config_string) {
...
hm2->config.firmware = NULL;
...
} else if (strncmp(token, "firmware=", 9) == 0) {
hm2->config.firmware = token + 9;
...
}

int hm2_register(hm2_lowlevel_io_t *llio, char *config_string) {
...
if ((llio->program_fpga != NULL) && (hm2->config.firmware != NULL)) {
...
r = llio->program_fpga(llio, &bitfile);
...
}

Jeff

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[Emc-users] Hostmot2 disabling download of FPGA configuration

2009-11-25 Thread Eric H. Johnson
Hi all,

I mentioned a while back about a problem with an occasional run-away
condition when dropping out and going back into EMC. I received some more
information that they could tell when this would occur from a relay (I/O
initialization) which will click when system comes up normally, and when
they do not hear it, know they will have the run-away condition. I got a
dmesg dump from immediately following the error, but the m5i20 seems to load
properly. I did however post the dmesg dump here:
http://pastebin.com/m106bc820

One thing I would like to try is to simply not load the FPGA configuration
on initialization. I recall there was a switch for this in the old 5i20
driver. Does that exit for the hostmot drivers, and what is it? I so far
have not managed to find it.

Thanks,
Eric
 


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Re: [Emc-users] How can I invert my x-axis? (Servos system)

2009-11-25 Thread Sven Wesley
Don't blame me, my machine works. ;)


2009/11/25 Ian W. Wright 

> Sven,
>
> Put OUTPUT_SCALE back to where it was and try putting a
> minus in front of INPUT_SCALE
>
> Ian
>
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Re: [Emc-users] How can I invert my x-axis? (Servos system)

2009-11-25 Thread Ian W. Wright
Sven,

Put OUTPUT_SCALE back to where it was and try putting a 
minus in front of INPUT_SCALE

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Re: [Emc-users] How can I invert my x-axis? (Servos system)

2009-11-25 Thread Sven Wesley
2009/11/25 Pat Lyons 

> I got my mill working yesterday only to find out that the x-axis is
> backwards and mills mirror images of what I intended.
>
> I tried flipping "OUTPUT SCALE" 's polarity but it didnt seem to do
> anything
> at all...  I went looking for some other ini or hal file change to make and
> couldnt find any.
>
> Any suggestions?
>
> Thanks!
> This mailing list is truly awesome.
> (thanks for all the help!!!)
> -pat
>


Add a minus on one of the variables that affect the gear ratio, if I don't
remember wrong I changed the thread pitch to a negative number.

Regards,
Sven
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[Emc-users] How can I invert my x-axis? (Servos system)

2009-11-25 Thread Pat Lyons
I got my mill working yesterday only to find out that the x-axis is
backwards and mills mirror images of what I intended.

I tried flipping "OUTPUT SCALE" 's polarity but it didnt seem to do anything
at all...  I went looking for some other ini or hal file change to make and
couldnt find any.

Any suggestions?

Thanks!
This mailing list is truly awesome.
(thanks for all the help!!!)
-pat
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Re: [Emc-users] Installing

2009-11-25 Thread Leslie Newell
Hi Ray,

It is looking for a drive that doesn't exist. Either you have changed 
your hardware configuration or you installed over the previous Ubuntu 
installation and something got left behind. I would suggest that you 
re-install from the live cd but make sure the hard drive is reformatted 
when you install.

Les

>> I tried installing EMC2 from the live cd and it failed.  I installed
>> Ubuntu 8.04 and it ran fine, but when I installed EMC2 and tried
>> booting the rtai kernel I received this message:
>>
>> Loading, please wait...
>> check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices :
>> cat/proc/modules ls/dev
>> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/04305177-f75e-4da0-8f56-f258c89ba7db does
>> not exist.  Dropping to shell!
>>
>> I know nothing about Linux, is there any chance someone can explain
>> how to fix this problem?
>> 


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing

2009-11-25 Thread John Thornton
If you know nothing about linux then the LiveCD is your best bet. 

We need more information than "it failed" to help you. If 8.04 installed then 
the LiveCD 
should have installed. Try burning a new image on a CD.

John

On 24 Nov 2009 at 19:01, Raymond Deucher wrote:

> I tried installing EMC2 from the live cd and it failed.  I installed
> Ubuntu 8.04 and it ran fine, but when I installed EMC2 and tried
> booting the rtai kernel I received this message:
> 
> Loading, please wait...
> check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices :
> cat/proc/modules ls/dev
> ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/04305177-f75e-4da0-8f56-f258c89ba7db does
> not exist.  Dropping to shell!
> 
> I know nothing about Linux, is there any chance someone can explain
> how to fix this problem?
> 
> Ray
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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Andy Pugh
2009/11/25 Jon Elson :

> I know of no way to make the boot messages get copied to the serial port
> live while it is booting.  That doesn't mean it isn't possible, though.

It might be a BIOS option. My CNC/EMC2 computer can do it, but it was
designed as a server and I don't know how widespread the  facility is.


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Re: [Emc-users] Installing

2009-11-25 Thread yann jautard
Does the live CD work and just the installation crash, or nothing work with 
the live CD ?

May be a downloading/burning problem with the live CD and you should retry 
with it, checking CD's MD5 sum before burning it.



Le mercredi 25 novembre 2009 01:01:03, Raymond Deucher a écrit :

> I tried installing EMC2 from the live cd and it failed.  I installed Ubuntu
>  8.04 and it ran fine, but when I installed EMC2 and tried booting the rtai
>  kernel I received this message:
> 
> Loading, please wait...
> check root = bootarg cat /proc/cmdline or missing modules, devices :
>  cat/proc/modules ls/dev ALERT!
>  /dev/disk/by-uuid/04305177-f75e-4da0-8f56-f258c89ba7db does not exist. 
>  Dropping to shell!
> 
> I know nothing about Linux, is there any chance someone can explain how to
>  fix this problem?
> 
> Ray
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Re: [Emc-users] c&t f6900 problem

2009-11-25 Thread Richard Arthur
Chris Epicier wrote:
> Dear Jon
>
>   
>>> The part that lets me stay unsatisfied is, that I
>>>  cannot boot or install ubuntu past 7.10. 8.04 emc live cd
>>> boots but the screen is garbled, it finally shows an
>>> interlaced screen with the typical brown colour  of the
>>> desktop and as mentioned before, If I move the mouse, there
>>> is a grey pattern moving correspondingly to the mouse moves.
>>> I conclude: X11 is up but ill configured. That's for the
>>> live cd.
>>>
>>>   
>> This is clearly a video driver problem, not specifically
>> X11, but 
>> obviously the video driver affects what
>> X shows on the screen.
>> 
> OK, I agree, as soon as X11 is -up- it is a video driver problem of some 
> sort. If I was able to ssh into the 8.04 live cd, I could read out the config 
> it has setup automagically there and see what's wrong. SSH into it via one of 
> my SuSE and windose/putty boxes failes as connection is refused, although i 
> specified ssh on grub boot options. So how can I do that?
Ubuntu 6.06 never configured a monitor correctly for me. Maybe it is a 
video driver problem, but the description you give was typical of what I 
experienced many times with an incorrectly configured xorg.conf.

I have found Midnight Commander (a visual file manager) to be a very 
useful tool. It doesn't need x to run.

http://www.midnight-commander.org/

With this you can navigate to and edit your .conf. To install (from 
memory I think this will work - but it may be in the universe 
repository) sudo aptitude install mc (to subsequently launch at the 
command line type mc).

Richard

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