[Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a Bridgeport Interact mill
I have been using the mill, today, for making a part where most of the time was spent engraving small text. Due to low setting of acceleration (which I picked out of abundance of caution), the mill could not reach the desired speed when engraving those letters. So, for a big Bridgeport Interact mill, what kind of acceleration for X and Y are possible? i -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a BridgeportInteract mill
I would recommend setting up Hal Scope to show the commanded position and the actual position (or perhaps following error or velocity error if there is a setting for that), then program some back and forth motion, increase acceleration until the following error grows at the point where direction is reversed. Then back off acceleration until the machine no longer has difficulty following the command. Simply put, accelerate as fast as the motor and drive are capable of, using Hal Scope to find that speed. If you do that and it seems excessive, you can always lower it. Roger Neal - Original Message - From: Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2010 1:34 AM Subject: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a BridgeportInteract mill I have been using the mill, today, for making a part where most of the time was spent engraving small text. Due to low setting of acceleration (which I picked out of abundance of caution), the mill could not reach the desired speed when engraving those letters. So, for a big Bridgeport Interact mill, what kind of acceleration for X and Y are possible? i -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Enshu progress
Holy crap Stuart, you must have one hell of a wiring diagram for that machine! Nicely done! Mark At 07:01 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote: I will post some pictures of the entire machine :) On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I am lost, is that a machine or just a cabinet with electronics? he cabinet looks neat, however. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Gentlemen, Pictures of the Enshu. This should be the final configuration. http://www.mpm1.com:8080/machines/enshu/pictures/Gallery thank you EMC2 gentlemen Stuart On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jim Coleman drunkenwhip...@gmail.com wrote: thats a nice clean lookin setup. good job. I plan on re-using as many of the honda connectors I have as I can. did you buy new or re-use? I've got a bunch of MR-25L, MR-30L and MR-50Ls from my mill and the one I scrapped for the employer. looks like it should be pretty easy o clean up the solder tabs and reuse them. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: the Enshu lives again I moved the XYZ axes under EMC2 control this afternoon. I should be able to work on the I/O config and tuning tomorrow. I will post some more pictures. -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Enshu progress
Mark, I will put our final schematic in the enshu directory when we are happy with what we have. thanks Stuart On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor) mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Holy crap Stuart, you must have one hell of a wiring diagram for that machine! Nicely done! Mark At 07:01 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote: I will post some pictures of the entire machine :) On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I am lost, is that a machine or just a cabinet with electronics? he cabinet looks neat, however. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Gentlemen, Pictures of the Enshu. This should be the final configuration. http://www.mpm1.com:8080/machines/enshu/pictures/Gallery thank you EMC2 gentlemen Stuart On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jim Coleman drunkenwhip...@gmail.com wrote: thats a nice clean lookin setup. good job. I plan on re-using as many of the honda connectors I have as I can. did you buy new or re-use? I've got a bunch of MR-25L, MR-30L and MR-50Ls from my mill and the one I scrapped for the employer. looks like it should be pretty easy o clean up the solder tabs and reuse them. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: the Enshu lives again I moved the XYZ axes under EMC2 control this afternoon. I should be able to work on the I/O config and tuning tomorrow. I will post some more pictures. -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed
Re: [Emc-users] Enshu progress
Wow! What a clean conversion. Love that star ground. :-) Dave On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 09:04 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Mark, I will put our final schematic in the enshu directory when we are happy with what we have. thanks Stuart On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Mark Wendt (Contractor) mark.we...@nrl.navy.mil wrote: Holy crap Stuart, you must have one hell of a wiring diagram for that machine! Nicely done! Mark At 07:01 PM 8/28/2010, you wrote: I will post some pictures of the entire machine :) On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I am lost, is that a machine or just a cabinet with electronics? he cabinet looks neat, however. On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: Gentlemen, Pictures of the Enshu. This should be the final configuration. http://www.mpm1.com:8080/machines/enshu/pictures/Gallery thank you EMC2 gentlemen Stuart On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:23 AM, Jim Coleman drunkenwhip...@gmail.com wrote: thats a nice clean lookin setup. good job. I plan on re-using as many of the honda connectors I have as I can. did you buy new or re-use? I've got a bunch of MR-25L, MR-30L and MR-50Ls from my mill and the one I scrapped for the employer. looks like it should be pretty easy o clean up the solder tabs and reuse them. On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 10:05 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: the Enshu lives again I moved the XYZ axes under EMC2 control this afternoon. I should be able to work on the I/O config and tuning tomorrow. I will post some more pictures. -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Enshu progress
Makes me even more curious what our Mori Seiki is going to be like when it's done. Very nice job. On Aug 29, 2010 11:30 AM, dave dengv...@charter.net wrote: Wow! What a clean conversion. Love that star ground. :-) Dave On Sun, 2010-08-29 at 09:04 -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: Mark, I will put our final schemat... -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
We plan on using 2 24 LCD monitors on our lathe. 1680x1050 is the resolution of some we have in house. I was wondering if anyone can share their experience with DVI-D/DVI-I cable lengths past the specification's 5m/16ft. I think I trust some comments on here than more anonymous comments elsewhere. We replaced a crt in one lathe with a lcd, it shows some strange sync issues the crt never had. And that's only lowres 15 vga. So it would be nice to know what to expect with a higher resolution signal. Also interesting how some sites also recommend vga over dvi-d/i for longer cable runs. My expectation was a digital signal can be run longer than an analog one. Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] My waterjet machine, retrofitted to EMC (also - a sales ad)
Hello! Following other members on this list, I also would like to share information about my abrasive waterjet cutting machine that has been converted to EMC2. Originally it was produced in 2001 by PTV, working envelope is 3000 * 2000 mm. Here are first 3 pictures I have taken: http://www.cutting.lv/en/waterjet-pictures (if anyone is curious to look around my webpage, then LV version contains more pictures, showing different completed jobs, apologies for my laziness, but all my clients are from LV) What I have done: 1) first of all, a PCB was created that converts usual step/dir signal to a step/dir signal in a twisted pair (servo drives accept only 24 V step/dir signal or 5V step/dir signal in a twisted pair; 2) PCB with optoisolators was created to join existing limit and homing switches with EMC. All the existing hardware is working with 24V signal level, which is not directly compatible with LPT port; 3) relays for control of water jet and abrasive have been added. Water jet is a spindle for EMC and abrasive is coolant flood. 4) I installed EMC2 :); 5) I created new panel for control cabinet, where: 5.1) old 10 monitor is upgraded to 17, 5.2) I also have duplicated 2 buttons and 3 signal lights from the pump - it has made my life much easier, as I do not have to run to pump to switch it to high pressure and back to low pressure after cutting is finished (it is not recommended to stay in high pressure mode, when not cutting, as it puts a lot of stress to high pressure tubing - water pressure is ~ 4000 bar) 5.3) I have added 2 switches for manual control of waterjet and abrasive together and abrasive only. It allows me to turn off jet and abrasive manually, when running file as well as I can easily switch to water only cutting, because g-code always contains both commands - for water jet (M3 and M5 respectively) and for abrasive (M8 and M9 respectively). It can now be managed easily and effectively. 5.4) I cut, welded and painted the new sheet for a panel. It twisted during welding, so there are few dents from hammer as I tried to straighten it out :) Painting has not covered them completely. 5 axis cutting capability is still a work-in-progress due to different difficulties with stepper motors and my Gecko drives. I still owe a lot of thanks to Andy Pugh, who devoted a lot of time and effort to the kinematics module that handles all the compensating moves, as well as takes tilt angle from G-code (where it is included as a command for A axis), then calculates tangent of the nozzle's movement - C axis and then converts all that to actual commands for A and B axis. First tests indicate that the module is working, but more tweaking is necessary to make it more precise. One of the reasons I am sharing all this information is that I would like to sell this machine - my financial position is insufficient to cover my bank payments. If anyone is interested, please do not hesitate to contact me. If there are any other things that You would like to see - servo motors, pump or anything else, let me know and I will post the pictures in my homepage. Unfortunately max available size for pictures is 800 * 600 pixels. Viesturs -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Emc2 Safe Zone ?
We are wondering if emc2 can have a Safe Zone. We would like to define where chuck and tail stock are and keep the machine from smacking into those. Like an extended soft limit. Possible difficulties I see in this is that often we get the turret within .050 of the tail stock quill. Which means this safe zone would require a rather fine grained resolution in Z, to avoid false alarms while still being able to stop the actual crash. Is there something emc2 already has that could be used for this? Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a Bridgeport Interact mill
Igor Chudov wrote: I have been using the mill, today, for making a part where most of the time was spent engraving small text. Due to low setting of acceleration (which I picked out of abundance of caution), the mill could not reach the desired speed when engraving those letters. So, for a big Bridgeport Interact mill, what kind of acceleration for X and Y are possible? Depends on your servo amps, motors, etc. You can actually measure it, using EMC. What you can do is incrementally up the MAX_ACCELERATION values in the .ini file, and have following error showing in HalScope. As you raise the acceleration, you may see error peaks during the acceleration/deceleration part of moves. Adding a little FF2 may help damp these down. (Note it is real easy to overshoot with FF2 and start making the error worse.) When you can't increase acceleration any more without serious spikes in the following error, you are probably maxing out your servo amps. If the current limit on the amps is set as high as you think prudent, that is your limit. I am using 3 in/sec^2 accleration on my Bridgeport, but I have puny servo amps and motors. If I increase it, it starts breaking timing belts, because they are only 3/8 wide belts. (This drive system came from a machine with a much lighter axis setup.) I have no idea what values other people are using, but I'm sure you can go higher than 3. Jon -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
I had good experience with appx. that long VGA cable. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Goller mor...@gmail.com wrote: We plan on using 2 24 LCD monitors on our lathe. 1680x1050 is the resolution of some we have in house. I was wondering if anyone can share their experience with DVI-D/DVI-I cable lengths past the specification's 5m/16ft. I think I trust some comments on here than more anonymous comments elsewhere. We replaced a crt in one lathe with a lcd, it shows some strange sync issues the crt never had. And that's only lowres 15 vga. So it would be nice to know what to expect with a higher resolution signal. Also interesting how some sites also recommend vga over dvi-d/i for longer cable runs. My expectation was a digital signal can be run longer than an analog one. Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a Bridgeport Interact mill
Jon, I messed around a bit until I saw max following error at about 0.0012. At that point I backed out a bit. I have acceleration set to 8 for X and 6 for Y and 15 for Z. This feels adequate. i On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:49 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I have been using the mill, today, for making a part where most of the time was spent engraving small text. Due to low setting of acceleration (which I picked out of abundance of caution), the mill could not reach the desired speed when engraving those letters. So, for a big Bridgeport Interact mill, what kind of acceleration for X and Y are possible? Depends on your servo amps, motors, etc. You can actually measure it, using EMC. What you can do is incrementally up the MAX_ACCELERATION values in the .ini file, and have following error showing in HalScope. As you raise the acceleration, you may see error peaks during the acceleration/deceleration part of moves. Adding a little FF2 may help damp these down. (Note it is real easy to overshoot with FF2 and start making the error worse.) When you can't increase acceleration any more without serious spikes in the following error, you are probably maxing out your servo amps. If the current limit on the amps is set as high as you think prudent, that is your limit. I am using 3 in/sec^2 accleration on my Bridgeport, but I have puny servo amps and motors. If I increase it, it starts breaking timing belts, because they are only 3/8 wide belts. (This drive system came from a machine with a much lighter axis setup.) I have no idea what values other people are using, but I'm sure you can go higher than 3. Jon -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
The vga cable on the MDSI 5 axis Cinci is probably 25 feet long. We have had zero problems with it. The computer is on the side of the machine and the monitor is out front. The cable runs through the machine. The mouse and keyboard and touch screen cables are all the same length and we have had no problems with any cables. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I had good experience with appx. that long VGA cable. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Goller mor...@gmail.com wrote: We plan on using 2 24 LCD monitors on our lathe. 1680x1050 is the resolution of some we have in house. I was wondering if anyone can share their experience with DVI-D/DVI-I cable lengths past the specification's 5m/16ft. I think I trust some comments on here than more anonymous comments elsewhere. We replaced a crt in one lathe with a lcd, it shows some strange sync issues the crt never had. And that's only lowres 15 vga. So it would be nice to know what to expect with a higher resolution signal. Also interesting how some sites also recommend vga over dvi-d/i for longer cable runs. My expectation was a digital signal can be run longer than an analog one. Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: The vga cable on the MDSI 5 axis Cinci is probably 25 feet long. We have had zero problems with it. The computer is on the side of the machine and the monitor is out front. The cable runs through the machine. The mouse and keyboard and touch screen cables are all the same length and we have had no problems with any cables. Exactly the same here, all cables run through the pendant arm now. i On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I had good experience with appx. that long VGA cable. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Goller mor...@gmail.com wrote: We plan on using 2 24 LCD monitors on our lathe. 1680x1050 is the resolution of some we have in house. I was wondering if anyone can share their experience with DVI-D/DVI-I cable lengths past the specification's 5m/16ft. I think I trust some comments on here than more anonymous comments elsewhere. We replaced a crt in one lathe with a lcd, it shows some strange sync issues the crt never had. And that's only lowres 15 vga. So it would be nice to know what to expect with a higher resolution signal. Also interesting how some sites also recommend vga over dvi-d/i for longer cable runs. My expectation was a digital signal can be run longer than an analog one. Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
This is probably going to seem like a ridiculously obvious question, but before I start buying and cutting too much material I wanted to double-check my understanding of how the various parts of a complete system interact. The project I'm working on is to build a really comprehensive physical interface panel for my milling machine. Namely I want to have dedicated buttons for lots of functions, some with LEDs to indicate current status. For instance, I'd like a button that toggles flood coolant on and off, with an LED that shows whether it's on or off, (in case I don't happen to notice the lube spraying everywhere) I've gotten the basic HAL-Arduino example from the Axis unpy.net site to work, and I've used the Arduino for other things before, so I feel like I have at least one idea of where to start on the hardware side. Now, my question is what happens with the various GUIs like Axis if there is something like my keypanel in the system. Does Axis (or TkEMC, etc.) actively poll HAL every so often to see if the status of things (like flood coolant) have changed? Ideally, I'd like to see the following sequence of events occur: 1. Flood coolant is off. Both the control panel LED and the Axis UI show flood coolant off. 2. I load and start a G-code program which uses flood. The LED turns on as the flood G-code is executed. 3. I press the flood button on the keypanel which sends a signal to HAL to toggle the flood coolant off. 4. HAL shuts off the flood coolant. The keypanel LED goes out and the Axis UI shows flood coolant as off. Essentially, I think my question boils down to whether I understand HAL correctly as being the source of truth for both my physical keypanel as well as for the GUI, or whether the GUI thinks it's the only thing affecting machine state? -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
When the analog signal degrades it still maintains a high level of information compared to a degrading digital signal. Compare that with a lithium Ion Battery driven tool and an older NiCad driven tool. The Nicad performance degrades slowly and in case of a drill you might manage to squeeze one or two of those last holes out of the tool. The digitally controlled Li battery will stop form one moment to the other. So, analog becomes gradually more 'fuzzy' and digital either works, or not in a rather catastrophic way. Having that said, the focus is clearly on signal quality. You can either switch to fiberglass transmission with encoders and decoders on either end, or better cables (makes a HUGE HUGE difference!), signal amplifiers, broad band cables with en and de coders. You can reach FAR but the distance comes with a price. 10-20 ft should be doable with cables made for the signals intended. And as expected... those will not come from China and cost money. Cheers Rainer On Aug 29, 2010, at 2:34 PM, Igor Chudov wrote: I had good experience with appx. that long VGA cable. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:56 AM, Daniel Goller mor...@gmail.com wrote: We plan on using 2 24 LCD monitors on our lathe. 1680x1050 is the resolution of some we have in house. I was wondering if anyone can share their experience with DVI-D/DVI-I cable lengths past the specification's 5m/16ft. I think I trust some comments on here than more anonymous comments elsewhere. We replaced a crt in one lathe with a lcd, it shows some strange sync issues the crt never had. And that's only lowres 15 vga. So it would be nice to know what to expect with a higher resolution signal. Also interesting how some sites also recommend vga over dvi-d/i for longer cable runs. My expectation was a digital signal can be run longer than an analog one. Thanks, Daniel -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Rainer Schmidt lemonn...@gmail.com -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
Wonder if this means vga actually does win over dvi in this use case. For one I will make sure the monitors allow analog and digital input, just in case. On a desktop or laptop the answer is simple. Digital analog. At least vga cables are an inexpensive alternative to dvi boosters or fibre dvi cables. On Aug 29, 2010 1:46 PM, Stuart Stevenson stus...@gmail.com wrote: The vga cable on the MDSI 5 axis Cinci is probably 25 feet long. We have had zero problems with it. The computer is on the side of the machine and the monitor is out front. The cable runs through the machine. The mouse and keyboard and touch screen cables are all the same length and we have had no problems with any cables. On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 1:34 PM, Igor Chudov ichu...@gmail.com wrote: I had good experience wi... -- dos centavos -- Sell apps to millions... -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] touchy no start machine
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 04:08:21PM -0500, Stuart Stevenson wrote: [19076.980342] io[19939]: segfault at 08a40880 eip 0804b222 esp bfa1bcc0 error 6 This is now fixed in v2.4_branch and master. Chris -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
On 8/29/2010 9:49 PM, Colin Kingsbury wrote: snip Essentially, I think my question boils down to whether I understand HAL correctly as being the source of truth for both my physical keypanel as well as for the GUI, or whether the GUI thinks it's the only thing affecting machine state? EMC2 was designed with the idea in mind that there are always more than one possible control sources. That means you can run multiple GUIs and each will update emc2 status (which is shown in all GUIs). so if you push a button on the HALUI (HAL User Interface) the result will be visible on all the GUIs (including AXIS and HALUI itself). That said you should remember that the multiple control means you don't want exclusive control items: potentiometers, on/off switches, selection switches, etc, but rather momentary control items. Instead of a potentiometer for feedrate override use an encoder - that way when the GUI changes feedrate override the potentiometer doesn't show something that isn't accurate. Likewise for on/off switches (if it's a momentary toggle button, then it's ok, but you need some extra HAL components: as it is now halui takes a button for coolant-on and coolant-off - both momentary pushbutton entries). With pyvcp you can build a sample control and simulate everything you'll lateron physically wire at the machine, so that you can prove beforehand that it works as you expect it. There is a sample config where there's almost a complete GUI using pyVCP. Regards, Alex -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
On Sunday, August 29, 2010 04:57:33 pm Daniel Goller did opine: Wonder if this means vga actually does win over dvi in this use case. That will, speaking as a broadcast engineer with a good working knowledge of cables and terminations, depend on the overall quality of the cable used, and the precision of the terminations used AT BOTH ENDS of the cable. vga is an analog signal, and is best at almost any distance as long as the cable and terminating impedances are well matched.. And by matched, I mean if the cable is a 73 ohm cable (and most of the so-called video cables are) but it is terminated with the out of the box 75 ohm resistor, as a parallel load on the receiving end, and as a source from a video amplifier with a very low output impedance that is running at 2x the signal level, then its going to be quite decent for goodly run lengths, for good low loss cabling, 2 or 3 hundred feet. Digital, OTOH, is often thought of as a yes or no signal so the designers tend to play economy games with the terminations and cable qualities. Digital errors you will often see as blinky pixels when right at the end of that cables length that it can maintain a picture at all. Generally speaking, distance runs should be in vga, but that in turn limits the available max pixels, usually to less than the 1680x1050 that this monitor is natively capable of. If a digital cable can't seem to make the run, then I expect it could be fixed with cabling that more nearly matches the termination schemes used, paying more attention to the terminating load at the monitor, than to the source impedance at the video card source. If there isn't much echo from the monitor that could bounce back off a poor source termination, that would be the ideal target to shoot for. And there will probably be stubborn cases where the monitors input circuitry just simply isn't correct for any available cabling, one might have to play in the monitors circuitry to see if it could be improved. However, in terms of making it work in a reasonable time frame, the best choice might be to throw money at a different monitor brand name, with the understanding that its returnable the next day if it doesn't work. The well designed one will Just Work(TM) on a surprising length of decent cabling. For one I will make sure the monitors allow analog and digital input, just in case. I have so far, had great results from SamSung, even their hidef tvs, when driven by a computer, are quite stunning. This 205bw is about 4 years old now and I had to replace that pair of filter capacitors on the power board about a year ago as the ccfl backlight was getting intermittent, but for me that is the cost of running it the 25 miles to the tv station using their stock of those caps, which we use by the shoebox full. One of the 'perks' of being the retired CE. ;-) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) What I need is a MATURE RELATIONSHIP with a FLOPPY DISK ... -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
Do i understand you right that you expect VGA cables to be better engineered compared to digital cables that tend to be more engineered with a zeros and ones signal doesn't need all that great quality cabling and we can make more profit with cheaper cables and noone will notice in mind. What would you vote for if the quality of the analog and digital cables would be both of high quality, properly terminated? (I know which i prefer on a short run from tower to lcd, which is what made reading about all of this rather surprising.) Thanks, Daniel On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, August 29, 2010 04:57:33 pm Daniel Goller did opine: Wonder if this means vga actually does win over dvi in this use case. That will, speaking as a broadcast engineer with a good working knowledge of cables and terminations, depend on the overall quality of the cable used, and the precision of the terminations used AT BOTH ENDS of the cable. vga is an analog signal, and is best at almost any distance as long as the cable and terminating impedances are well matched.. And by matched, I mean if the cable is a 73 ohm cable (and most of the so-called video cables are) but it is terminated with the out of the box 75 ohm resistor, as a parallel load on the receiving end, and as a source from a video amplifier with a very low output impedance that is running at 2x the signal level, then its going to be quite decent for goodly run lengths, for good low loss cabling, 2 or 3 hundred feet. Digital, OTOH, is often thought of as a yes or no signal so the designers tend to play economy games with the terminations and cable qualities. Digital errors you will often see as blinky pixels when right at the end of that cables length that it can maintain a picture at all. Generally speaking, distance runs should be in vga, but that in turn limits the available max pixels, usually to less than the 1680x1050 that this monitor is natively capable of. If a digital cable can't seem to make the run, then I expect it could be fixed with cabling that more nearly matches the termination schemes used, paying more attention to the terminating load at the monitor, than to the source impedance at the video card source. If there isn't much echo from the monitor that could bounce back off a poor source termination, that would be the ideal target to shoot for. And there will probably be stubborn cases where the monitors input circuitry just simply isn't correct for any available cabling, one might have to play in the monitors circuitry to see if it could be improved. However, in terms of making it work in a reasonable time frame, the best choice might be to throw money at a different monitor brand name, with the understanding that its returnable the next day if it doesn't work. The well designed one will Just Work(TM) on a surprising length of decent cabling. For one I will make sure the monitors allow analog and digital input, just in case. I have so far, had great results from SamSung, even their hidef tvs, when driven by a computer, are quite stunning. This 205bw is about 4 years old now and I had to replace that pair of filter capacitors on the power board about a year ago as the ccfl backlight was getting intermittent, but for me that is the cost of running it the 25 miles to the tv station using their stock of those caps, which we use by the shoebox full. One of the 'perks' of being the retired CE. ;-) -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) What I need is a MATURE RELATIONSHIP with a FLOPPY DISK ... -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
Guys, would you recommend some inexpensive encoder type hand controls? I would like to control speed override with a rugged encoder type rotary control. i On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Alex Joni alex.j...@robcon.ro wrote: On 8/29/2010 9:49 PM, Colin Kingsbury wrote: snip Essentially, I think my question boils down to whether I understand HAL correctly as being the source of truth for both my physical keypanel as well as for the GUI, or whether the GUI thinks it's the only thing affecting machine state? EMC2 was designed with the idea in mind that there are always more than one possible control sources. That means you can run multiple GUIs and each will update emc2 status (which is shown in all GUIs). so if you push a button on the HALUI (HAL User Interface) the result will be visible on all the GUIs (including AXIS and HALUI itself). That said you should remember that the multiple control means you don't want exclusive control items: potentiometers, on/off switches, selection switches, etc, but rather momentary control items. Instead of a potentiometer for feedrate override use an encoder - that way when the GUI changes feedrate override the potentiometer doesn't show something that isn't accurate. Likewise for on/off switches (if it's a momentary toggle button, then it's ok, but you need some extra HAL components: as it is now halui takes a button for coolant-on and coolant-off - both momentary pushbutton entries). With pyvcp you can build a sample control and simulate everything you'll lateron physically wire at the machine, so that you can prove beforehand that it works as you expect it. There is a sample config where there's almost a complete GUI using pyVCP. Regards, Alex -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] Play/Pause and One Step buttons?
My mill has two buttons, one is a green one and another is red. The way I would like to use them is as Play and Pause. As follows: * If a program is not running, or is suspended, green button starts it. * If a program is running, green button has no effect. * If a program is running, red button suspends it. * If a program is not running, or is suspended, red button has no effect. In other words, I want to use them as Play and Pause buttons, like on a VCR. I also have another button that I want to use as do one G-code instruction button. When pressed, one G code instruction will be executed and then execution will stop. Am I on the right track with this logic and if so, what sorts of Axis elements should I use? I am finally able to work on them because I removed a shipload of unused wiring from the pendant arm and can deal with extra wiring without the horrid mess of 100+ other wires that were in the arm. This is because the old control was in the pendant, but the PC with EMC will be in the main cabinet. Also, for simplicity, for these extra signals, I wants to use a Cat6 cable, because of its compactness. There is no problems with those wires twisted together, right? (I am using PPMC). -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Play/Pause and One Step buttons?
On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:37:25 -0500, you wrote: My mill has two buttons, one is a green one and another is red. The way I would like to use them is as Play and Pause. As follows: * If a program is not running, or is suspended, green button starts it. * If a program is running, green button has no effect. * If a program is running, red button suspends it. * If a program is not running, or is suspended, red button has no effect. You're missing a stop button. Steve Blackmore -- -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Play/Pause and One Step buttons?
Well, I have two choices regarding Stop behavior. 1) I can do stop from GUI. 2) I can say that if I press the red button when the program is suspended, it stops execution altogether as a stop button. My preferred choice for now is 1). i On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Steve Blackmore st...@pilotltd.net wrote: On Sun, 29 Aug 2010 19:37:25 -0500, you wrote: My mill has two buttons, one is a green one and another is red. The way I would like to use them is as Play and Pause. As follows: * If a program is not running, or is suspended, green button starts it. * If a program is running, green button has no effect. * If a program is running, red button suspends it. * If a program is not running, or is suspended, red button has no effect. You're missing a stop button. Steve Blackmore -- -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
I had an issue with this back in the dot-bomb days when setting up a data center. We got a KVM extender, that allowed us to have a 'direct connected' ethernet cable a couple of hundred feet long or so, and it passed VGA quality signal along with keyboard and mouse (they had some with sound too) over the 8 wire twisted pair ethernet cable. It was not ethernet, and did not go through ANY ethernet switch gear. Not cheap, but worked for our situation. ... I just purchased it at a local electronic supply store, not Fry's but a similar more local store in the Houston TX area. -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
On Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:23:04 pm Daniel Goller did opine: Do i understand you right that you expect VGA cables to be better engineered compared to digital cables that tend to be more engineered with a zeros and ones signal doesn't need all that great quality cabling and we can make more profit with cheaper cables and noone will notice in mind. That is about the size of it. For short runs in digital, say 4 feet or so, you can get away with cabling murder because the cable is shorter than the time of one pixel. Longer runs will often cause breakups because the echos are sufficiently time displaced to be thought of as a status change for the next pixel when it really isn't. That will cause the pixel to the right of the edge of an object to flicker or some such error. What would you vote for if the quality of the analog and digital cables would be both of high quality, properly terminated? Digital. Then it is usually up to the monitor to match the requested color to a very fine match. That said, my lashup has an extension cable so the run is about 6 feet, and the analog and digital modes seem very close to identical, on this monitor. I have not been able to see the difference if there is any. (I know which i prefer on a short run from tower to lcd, which is what made reading about all of this rather surprising.) Thanks, Daniel [...] -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) This is National Non-Dairy Creamer Week. -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
On Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:38:12 pm Igor Chudov did opine: Guys, would you recommend some inexpensive encoder type hand controls? I would like to control speed override with a rugged encoder type rotary control. A thought that I have played with in my mind, and gone as far as to order a few parts, is to use a more or less std small stepper motor with 12 or 24 volt rated coils, as an encoder by feeding it to a pair of comparators which should give a quadrature A B output. I haven't worked out a 100% reliable method of protecting the comparator inputs from the over-voltage a fast spin of the knob on the motor shaft would feed them, nor have I worked out the most reliable hysteresis feedback to prevent low level vibrations and such from outputting spurious signals. But, based on the fact that the average $3 stepper motor is also a heck of a good generator, I see no reason why it couldn't be done. Suitable stepper motors can be had for small change. I have a box that I was going to use that would hold one encoder/motor for each of the 4 axis's I have, a bit big, but with one knob per axis I think it would be more usable than a game pad that I have hooked up now. A 5th motor could be installed for feed rate control, and a 6th for spindle speed is not a huge problem a long as I could get some help with the hal stuff. But my box would be pretty crowded by the time I shoehorned 6 of the motors I have right now into it. So its an idea I'm tossing out because I could do all 6 of those for less than a single pendant with one dial at the current prices. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You will be divorced within a year. -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a Bridgeport Interact mill
Igor Chudov wrote: Jon, I messed around a bit until I saw max following error at about 0.0012. At that point I backed out a bit. I have acceleration set to 8 for X and 6 for Y and 15 for Z. This feels adequate. Yes, without really strong servos, like the SEM motors that Bridgeport uses in the EZ-Trak and such machines, those numbers sound reasonable. So, how does that perform on your engraving programs? Jon -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Gene Heskett gene.hesk...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday, August 29, 2010 11:38:12 pm Igor Chudov did opine: Guys, would you recommend some inexpensive encoder type hand controls? I would like to control speed override with a rugged encoder type rotary control. A thought that I have played with in my mind, and gone as far as to order a few parts, is to use a more or less std small stepper motor with 12 or 24 volt rated coils, as an encoder by feeding it to a pair of comparators Gene, I have a feeling that what I need, can be bought for $20-50 at Digikey as a complete package. (hand controlled encoder) Am I mistaken? i which should give a quadrature A B output. I haven't worked out a 100% reliable method of protecting the comparator inputs from the over-voltage a fast spin of the knob on the motor shaft would feed them, nor have I worked out the most reliable hysteresis feedback to prevent low level vibrations and such from outputting spurious signals. But, based on the fact that the average $3 stepper motor is also a heck of a good generator, I see no reason why it couldn't be done. Suitable stepper motors can be had for small change. I have a box that I was going to use that would hold one encoder/motor for each of the 4 axis's I have, a bit big, but with one knob per axis I think it would be more usable than a game pad that I have hooked up now. A 5th motor could be installed for feed rate control, and a 6th for spindle speed is not a huge problem a long as I could get some help with the hal stuff. But my box would be pretty crowded by the time I shoehorned 6 of the motors I have right now into it. So its an idea I'm tossing out because I could do all 6 of those for less than a single pendant with one dial at the current prices. -- Cheers, Gene There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) You will be divorced within a year. -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] What ACCELERATION values can I expect from a Bridgeport Interact mill
Jon, I do have those strong SEM servos. 30 amp peak, 145v. I take it as a hint that my machine is capable of more. I am afraid that I may have set DIP switches on some of my axis drives to limit current too much. I will revisit it. It did make engraving faster, perhaps 2x faster or so. i On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:53 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Jon, I messed around a bit until I saw max following error at about 0.0012. At that point I backed out a bit. I have acceleration set to 8 for X and 6 for Y and 15 for Z. This feels adequate. Yes, without really strong servos, like the SEM motors that Bridgeport uses in the EZ-Trak and such machines, those numbers sound reasonable. So, how does that perform on your engraving programs? Jon -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Monitor cable lengths
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 11:51 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: I had good experience with appx. that long VGA cable. I've had terrible luck with even expensive VGA extension cables, and opened one up. It was just a whole bunch of wires in one overall foil shield! So, I have been making my own VGA cables for a while, with 5 lengths of RG-178 coax (75 Ohm). Well, I have no problem whatsoever, other than some excessive length of that cable cluttering my control cabinet. i Jon (who always does things the hard way) -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, would you recommend some inexpensive encoder type hand controls? I would like to control speed override with a rugged encoder type rotary control. I needed to make another pendant, and looked on eBay for a while, but didn't find much except a guy selling HEDSS handwheel encoders from China for $56 delivered in the US. So, I got one of those, and it has worked out well. If you don't need the detents, then much cheaper encoders are available, like Agilent (formerly HP) HEDS encoders, probably available surplus for ~ $10. Jon -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Do I understand the EMC/HAL/UI architecture properly?
On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 12:00 AM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: Igor Chudov wrote: Guys, would you recommend some inexpensive encoder type hand controls? I would like to control speed override with a rugged encoder type rotary control. I needed to make another pendant, and looked on eBay for a while, but didn't find much except a guy selling HEDSS handwheel encoders from China for $56 delivered in the US. So, I got one of those, and it has worked out well. If you don't need the detents, then much cheaper encoders are available, like Agilent (formerly HP) HEDS encoders, probably available surplus for ~ $10. Jon, do you have some examples of this that I can look at online, thanks a lot Igor -- Sell apps to millions through the Intel(R) Atom(Tm) Developer Program Be part of this innovative community and reach millions of netbook users worldwide. Take advantage of special opportunities to increase revenue and speed time-to-market. Join now, and jumpstart your future. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-atom-d2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
