Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is, no longer supported?
Hi The real problem it seems to me, is one of philosophy rather than what is practically possible. The use of Ubuntu as a carrier vehicle has enabled a lot of people with minimal Linux knowledge to use EMC. As Kirk said, if a better technical solution were used at the expense of usability, that would impact upon the user base unless someone could be bothered to wrapper it for the uninitiated (which is the overwhelming majority). There should be no reason why the user could not have a choice of kernels from the distro at install time, one for SMP another for UP say. That immediately would answer a lot of problems. I personally do not like the later versions of Ubuntu and strip it out and use a light display manager and windowing system, because I hate the bloat and long initialisation time of Gnome and KDE. I have been doing a lot of rtai kernel building recently. Initially to test the effect of different configs on a quad core MB latency and more latterly to try to build a very light Debian based EMC distro, suitable for old machines. In the course of this I found that EMC runs well on a single processor build of both Lenny and Squeeze and will install on both new and old machines. I currently use a Debian Lenny build, not Ubuntu to run EMC. The longer term problem is that EMC has created a dependency upon a version number of Ubuntu to bring the latest version of EMC to the average user. It does not matter how many times users are told that you can run the latest 2.6 RIP on a Ubuntu 8.04 installation. Because it involves the unknown territory of compilation, they are not interested, all they want is another Live CD release that installs everything for them. So cater for them or it is just us geeks! regards -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 24.11.11 19:21, Moses McKnight wrote: Another option to consider is not using Unity or Gnome3 but maybe LXDE or XFCE instead. Both of these are quite adequate for a machine control and general desktop use. I used Xubuntu on my router table because it took less resources, and it works just fine. Given the grumbling I've seen on a local linux users list, about new gnome releases, and having heard favourable comments about xfce, that sounds attractive. I prefer to have separate machines for web browsing and machine control anyway, so a minimalist GUI would be fine here. Incidentally, EMC2 is the only thing stopping me from chucking ubuntu, and returning to debian. Every ubuntu install requires deletion of sabotaging packages such as NetworkManager. Also, the increasing occurrence of warnings against manual editing of standard config files, makes ubuntu less and less a unix distro, I feel. All that dumbing down eventually has to become a burden for serious users, who neither need nor want another colour of M$. ... I'm willing to help work on the next release again btw if I can carve out a little time. Many thanks for the splendid results of the work done already. :-) Erik -- [..] but the delight and pride of Aule is in the deed of making, and in the thing made, and neither in possession nor in his own mastery; wherefore he gives and hoards not, and is free from care, passing ever on to some new work. - J.R.R.T, Ainulindale (Silmarillion) -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
It seems to me that if you have an opinion on this matter, and you are posting it to this thread, then you, personally, are not the type of user we should be considering. Is there anyone here with a strong opinion on specific Linux distributions who has a plain, unmodified, LiveCD installation? I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, have a built-from-source or a grabbed-from-buildbot version. The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
Andy, you hit me severely there. My respect to all developers and programmers of EMC, but I am sure there is a large silent majority of EMC users who participate without writing to the list, just reading and enjoying. andy pugh schrieb: It seems to me that if you have an opinion on this matter, and you are posting it to this thread, then you, personally, are not the type of user we should be considering. I surely have an opinion on EMC and the OS it's running on. Are you only considering computer freaks to be worthy of participating? Remember, there are plain EMC users, too! Is there anyone here with a strong opinion on specific Linux distributions who has a plain, unmodified, LiveCD installation? I Yes, I do. And it works well, and I don't want to spoil it by experimenting. would hazard a guess that most, if not all, have a built-from-source or a grabbed-from-buildbot version. Wrong, I don't want to put up with a rarely used Unix OS just in order to run my machine. I want to download a CD image, put it into my control PC and start running. If this would't be possible any more, I will have to drop EMC2. I want to have nothing to do with OS questions. The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. The best for new users is to have no bother with operating the system, but running the software needed for machine control. Considering todays computer prices there is absolutely no need to do all computer work on only one computer. I am using all Microsoft software for writing, designing, calculation, mailing etc. on a high rated PC in my home office (and so does my wife) for reasons of compatibility with the 99% rest of the world. And I have a cheap, old low-performance computer in my workshop running ubuntu and EMC. They are connected by our home network, though. I wouldn't want to stand in a cold workshop trying to write an article, edit a book or do energy calculations or other office work. And I couldn't really control my machines from the distant office without seeing and hearing what happened with them. So, with EMC, please stay on the carpet and don't imitate those commercial software gods by complicating matters until they are ununderstandable and unpayable! Peter -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is, no longer supported?
is it not possible automate compilation processes? --- On Fri, 11/25/11, Schooner schoone...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: From: Schooner schoone...@tiscali.co.uk Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is, no longer supported? To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Date: Friday, November 25, 2011, 12:49 AM Hi The real problem it seems to me, is one of philosophy rather than what is practically possible. The use of Ubuntu as a carrier vehicle has enabled a lot of people with minimal Linux knowledge to use EMC. As Kirk said, if a better technical solution were used at the expense of usability, that would impact upon the user base unless someone could be bothered to wrapper it for the uninitiated (which is the overwhelming majority). There should be no reason why the user could not have a choice of kernels from the distro at install time, one for SMP another for UP say. That immediately would answer a lot of problems. I personally do not like the later versions of Ubuntu and strip it out and use a light display manager and windowing system, because I hate the bloat and long initialisation time of Gnome and KDE. I have been doing a lot of rtai kernel building recently. Initially to test the effect of different configs on a quad core MB latency and more latterly to try to build a very light Debian based EMC distro, suitable for old machines. In the course of this I found that EMC runs well on a single processor build of both Lenny and Squeeze and will install on both new and old machines. I currently use a Debian Lenny build, not Ubuntu to run EMC. The longer term problem is that EMC has created a dependency upon a version number of Ubuntu to bring the latest version of EMC to the average user. It does not matter how many times users are told that you can run the latest 2.6 RIP on a Ubuntu 8.04 installation. Because it involves the unknown territory of compilation, they are not interested, all they want is another Live CD release that installs everything for them. So cater for them or it is just us geeks! regards -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
I am using Debian squeeze + Trinity Desktop + Kernel and EMC2 from EMC Repository. Basicly it's identical to Exe Linux Live-CD http://exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/ with some tweaking (replace kernel and some libs for emc). Basicly it's a good way to go for me, as I like KDE3.5. Nik Am Freitag, 25. November 2011 schrieb Moses McKnight: Another option to consider is not using Unity or Gnome3 but maybe LXDE or XFCE instead. Both of these are quite adequate for a machine control and general desktop use. I used Xubuntu on my router table because it took less resources, and it works just fine. Another thing I thought of last time and it may be a good idea still, is to have a UP kernel and a SMP kernel and people could chose the one that works best for their computer. There may be a way to have the liveCD install pick the right kernel, but if not at least it could be an option in the repository for after the install. I'm willing to help work on the next release again btw if I can carve out a little time. Moses On 11/24/2011 12:55 PM, Karl Schmidt wrote: In the long run, I think it would be MUCH better to target Debian stable. There is no need for most of the bleeding edge issues that come with Ubuntu for an application like EMC. The stable dist of Debian is really stable and used by many as servers. The only things that change have to do with security issues. For a 'live' edition, Debian live could be tweaked with a realtime kernel. Ubuntu is really Debian with some rather ugly hacks to make it easy for desktop users (to play flash etc.) - --- Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Truth is mighty and will prevail. There is nothing wrong with this, except that it ain't so. --Mark Twain - --- - - All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users --- --- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Mag. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp Einnehmerstraße 14 A-4810 Gmunden Tel.: +43 650 82 11 724 email: off...@klepp.biz dr.kl...@gmx.at -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. From my experience - those people, who are unfamiliar with EMC, are unfamiliar with Linux. The fact that EMC is running on Ubuntu has helped to convince those people I have dealt with that it is worth trying it, because it is working out-of-box. Hobby users have time to spend on compiling the software and do other things. My customers can be considered as industrial users and they like the fact that no special linux knowledge is required to run EMC. A simple system can be set up within hours, completely restored on different PC hardware within 1 hour - just reinstall OS and copy config files. If additional installation of customized kinematics module or some realtime component is required, it adds just a few minutes to overall time. I would like to add my vote for Ubuntu + light GUI like LXDE. Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 25 November 2011 10:51, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Andy, you hit me severely there. My respect to all developers and programmers of EMC, but I am sure there is a large silent majority of EMC users who participate without writing to the list, just reading and enjoying. Indeed, my point is that those are the people who we should consider when choosing an OS to base the LiveCD on. I surely have an opinion on EMC and the OS it's running on. Are you only considering computer freaks to be worthy of participating? Absolutely not. I am saying that most of the people suggesting that we run on RedHat or Debian or Puppy or Poky because they are doing so, and like it, would be running on that distro regardless of the choice of OS used on the LiveCD. Hence, for those people the LiveCD OS is irrelevant, and suggesting that their favourite super-hardcore OS is best of the liveCD is missing the point of who the LiveCD is aimed at. Actually, I am disproving my own point here, as I am posting here, and have no intention of ever using anything other than a LiveCD OS, as I have very little clue about Linux, I am a Mac user. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] rsync causes 'ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay'
Each night I backup my EMC machine home directory to a different computer If I leave EMC running I get 'ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay' The rsync cronjob causes this I have varied time and disabled job so I am sure of this I use 'rsync -vcupotrile ssh' and the files copied are sending incremental file list .d..t.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/ fcst.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/emc.var fcst.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/emc.var.bak sent 540302 bytes received 497188 bytes 3907.68 bytes/sec total size is 4510283718 speedup is 4347.30 Other than 'don't do that' any suggestions And a side note, I use pretty much stock LiveCD install I use Gnome but hate it and KDE, too bloated and slow I would vote for XFCE I use it at the office on Centos Richard -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Thu, Nov 24, 2011 at 11:11:42AM -0800, Kirk Wallace wrote: So, if I have a UP motherboard and upgrade to 10.04, which pulls SMP and APIC. I might be able to fix my system by learning how to compile my kernel and select UP instead of SMP? You would have to build your own version of the kernel, rtai, and emc2. rtai and emc2 depend on the exact version and configuration flags of the kernel---mixing and matching don't work. That's why for each distribution we support, we only support a single kernel: supporting two doubles the work of packaging and testing. Jeff -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] rsync causes 'ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay'
On Friday, November 25, 2011 11:17:21 AM kqt4a...@comcast.net did opine: Each night I backup my EMC machine home directory to a different computer If I leave EMC running I get 'ERROR: Unexpected realtime delay' I'll have to test this myself as I do a backup of: FQDNdir level MB-IN MB-OUT CMP% MM:ss KB/sec MM:SS KB/Sec shop/etc0 10 2 18.1 0:05 399.0 0:00 18140.0 shop/home 0 530 232 43.7 3:46 1048.5 0:05 47434.6 shop/root 0 719 269 37.5 6:09 746.3 0:05 55133.6 shop/usr/lib/amanda 1 0 0 3.3 0:05 0.4 0:0010.0 shop/usr/local 0 2 1 27.7 0:01 540.4 0:00 6900.0 shop/usr/src0 54 10 17.9 0:19 532.7 0:00 99110.0 shop/var/lib/amanda 1 3 1 17.2 0:01 661.6 0:00 6030.0 Using amanda, which uses tar The rsync cronjob causes this I have varied time and disabled job so I am sure of this I use 'rsync -vcupotrile ssh' and the files copied are sending incremental file list .d..t.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/ fcst.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/emc.var fcst.. emc2/configs/FireballCNCV90/emc.var.bak sent 540302 bytes received 497188 bytes 3907.68 bytes/sec total size is 4510283718 speedup is 4347.30 Other than 'don't do that' any suggestions That particular message is only reported the first time it is encountered. In my case it is at emc startup almost instantly on AXIS drawing the logo's backplot, but only about 25% of the time. So obviously you are not seeing that, then but later. So I'll make it a point to leave it running after a clean restart, then check the next morning to see if it has been reported. FWIW, if I get a clean start, the only thing I've noted that will cause that error later, is to fire up some kde-based gfx utility such as kaffeine. As I often have a screen with FF running, and a 3rd screen with Konversation running, I have not noted that either of those can trigger it on my machine. I found the kaffeine trigger while running the latency-test which had at that point been returning about a 10 u-sec figure max started an installed but useless program since I don't have a tv card in that box, but the kaffeine startup caused a 400 u-sec latency. I assume there would be others just as bad on my box/video card. In my use of FF konversation, I don't switch off the emc screen unless it is halted/paused, because I have never rigged a manual e-stop, and when on some other screen, the esc focus is not relayed to emc. Don't ask me how I know that, or how many bits broken or clamps cut into. I do learn eventually though. :) And a side note, I use pretty much stock LiveCD install I use Gnome but hate it and KDE, too bloated and slow I would vote for XFCE I use it at the office on Centos Richard Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene If you lived today as if it were your last, you'd buy up a box of rockets and fire them all off, wouldn't you? -- Garrison Keillor -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported? It seems to me that if you have an opinion on this matter, and you are posting it to this thread, then you, personally, are not the type of user we should be considering. Is there anyone here with a strong opinion on specific Linux distributions who has a plain, unmodified, LiveCD installation? I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, have a built-from-source or a grabbed-from-buildbot version. The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. I am one of those new users and while I find all this discussion interesting and informative I have been quite pleased with EMC2 up to this point. While I'm eager to learn more about Linux I have neither the knowledge or the time to do much tinkering with its innards so I'm grateful to those who have done all the hard work of making it functional and easy to use for folks like me. I've been lucky so far that Ubuntu has installed without hassle on all of the 4 or 5 machines I've used it on (all but the first of those installations has been from the EMC2 live CD). So, whatever distribution is used in the future is OK with me as long as it just works and will install on the older, used machilnes I prefer (because I can get them for free (; ). -Greg -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Friday, November 25, 2011 12:35:41 PM Edward Bernard did opine: You were going to say? :) From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported? It seems to me that if you have an opinion on this matter, and you are posting it to this thread, then you, personally, are not the type of user we should be considering. Is there anyone here with a strong opinion on specific Linux distributions who has a plain, unmodified, LiveCD installation? I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, have a built-from-source or a grabbed-from-buildbot version. The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. I am one of those new users and while I find all this discussion interesting and informative I have been quite pleased with EMC2 up to this point. While I'm eager to learn more about Linux I have neither the knowledge or the time to do much tinkering with its innards so I'm grateful to those who have done all the hard work of making it functional and easy to use for folks like me. I've been lucky so far that Ubuntu has installed without hassle on all of the 4 or 5 machines I've used it on (all but the first of those installations has been from the EMC2 live CD). So, whatever distribution is used in the future is OK with me as long as it just works and will install on the older, used machilnes I prefer (because I can get them for free (; ). -Greg -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Politics, as a practice, whatever its professions, has always been the systematic organisation of hatreds. -- Henry Adams, The Education of Henry Adams -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] PID BLDC
Hello! I am stuck with getting a servo motor moving again. I got it working a month ago, then I had lots of other things to solve and now that I have to assemble it all together to deliver the machine to client, motor is not moving any more. I tried to find the cause and what I have observed: When I press jogging key to jog particular joint, pid.0.command is changing; pid.0.output is changing to the same value; bldc.0.value is changing to the same value; bldc.0.A-value remains at 0; bldc.0.B-value remains at 0; bldc.0.C-value remains at 0; bldc.0.out is changing to the same value as input. So it seems to me that the problem is in bldc component. What might I be missing here? Thanks in advance! Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On 25 November 2011 17:56, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: So it seems to me that the problem is in bldc component. What might I be missing here? It is hard to say without knowing what mode the bldc component is operating in, and what hardware you are trying to drive. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
Sorry 'bout that. : I am one of those new users and while I find all this discussion interesting and informative I have been quite pleased with EMC2 up to this point. While I'm eager to learn more about Linux I have neither the knowledge or the time to do much tinkering with its innards so I'm grateful to those who have done all the hard work of making it functional and easy to use for folks like me. I've been lucky so far that Ubuntu has installed without hassle on all of the 4 or 5 machines I've used it on (all but the first of those installations has been from the EMC2 live CD). So, whatever distribution is used in the future is OK with me as long as it just works and will install on the older, used machilnes I prefer (because I can get them for free :) ). From: gene heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported? On Friday, November 25, 2011 12:35:41 PM Edward Bernard did opine: You were going to say? :) From: andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Sent: Friday, November 25, 2011 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported? It seems to me that if you have an opinion on this matter, and you are posting it to this thread, then you, personally, are not the type of user we should be considering. Is there anyone here with a strong opinion on specific Linux distributions who has a plain, unmodified, LiveCD installation? I would hazard a guess that most, if not all, have a built-from-source or a grabbed-from-buildbot version. The question to answer it not which distro _you_ prefer, but which will be best for the project, and best for new users. I am one of those new users and while I find all this discussion interesting and informative I have been quite pleased with EMC2 up to this point. While I'm eager to learn more about Linux I have neither the knowledge or the time to do much tinkering with its innards so I'm grateful to those who have done all the hard work of making it functional and easy to use for folks like me. I've been lucky so far that Ubuntu has installed without hassle on all of the 4 or 5 machines I've used it on (all but the first of those installations has been from the EMC2 live CD). So, whatever distribution is used in the future is OK with me as long as it just works and will install on the older, used machilnes I prefer (because I can get them for free (; ). -Greg -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Politics, as a practice, whatever its professions, has always been the systematic organisation of hatreds. -- Henry Adams, The Education of Henry Adams -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 17:56, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: So it seems to me that the problem is in bldc component. What might I be missing here? It is hard to say without knowing what mode the bldc component is operating in, and what hardware you are trying to drive. Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh I have 7i43 and 7i39 cards with Keling servos. Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On 25 November 2011 18:21, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: What input do the Keling drives use? Ah, sorry, Keling servos and 7i39. I need to read more carefully. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? Can you see the Hall signals changing? How about the rotor and phase angles? What input do the Keling drives use? -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
Also remember that bit about either tying the fault input to the correct state or changing its polarity in the HAL file so its default state is inactive Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... Well, it is back... So now in addition to nonworking motor I have also a nonworking PC hardware. That is not good, because the deadline for delivery was a week ago and client already is not happy about me. Is there any chance that magnetic field from PSU's transformer might be affecting 7i43? They are located pretty closely, approximately 10 cm apart. Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:52:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs L??cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... I think that just requires EMC = 2.46, that has the workaround for the Intel D525 BIOS parallel port mode reporting error Well, it is back... So now in addition to nonworking motor I have also a nonworking PC hardware. That is not good, because the deadline for delivery was a week ago and client already is not happy about me. Is there any chance that magnetic field from PSU's transformer might be affecting 7i43? They are located pretty closely, approximately 10 cm apart. Viesturs Possibly but what error do you get? -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2011 10:51, Peter Blodow p.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Andy, you hit me severely there. My respect to all developers and programmers of EMC, but I am sure there is a large silent majority of EMC users who participate without writing to the list, just reading and enjoying. Indeed, my point is that those are the people who we should consider when choosing an OS to base the LiveCD on. I have been a fairly hardcore user of Linux, RTAI, realtime linux, and for that matter emc from back in the old source tarball days. My preference is to continue using Ubuntu for the livecd unless there is a real crisis. As Andy says, it's not that hard to install emc2 on another machine if you are moderately skilled at using Linux. I have really gotten used to apt-get installs, and I hate building from source. Even the most minimal source build seems to require ridiculous dependency hassles that just aren't worth it to me any more. Unless you get the source package from a distribution, of course. Eric -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:52:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lяяcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... I think that just requires EMC = 2.46, that has the workaround for the Intel D525 BIOS parallel port mode reporting error And I have 2.5. Possibly but what error do you get? I copied this error message from my previous emails. As much as I can see, it is the same text (except that I am trying different firmware): ... Debug file information: insmod: error inserting '/usr/realtime-2.6.32-122-rtai/modules/emc2/hm2_7i43.ko': -1 Invalid parameters hm2-servo.hal:46: exit value: 1 hm2-servo.hal:46: insmod failed, returned -1 See the output of 'dmesg' for more information. 3043 PID TTY STAT TIME COMMAND Stopping realtime threads Unloading hal components Kernel message information: ... [ 768.595052] hm2: loading Mesa HostMot2 driver version 0.15 [ 768.606662] hm2_7i43: loading HostMot2 Mesa 7i43 driver version 0.3 [ 768.609263] hm2_7i43.0: firmware: requesting hm2/7i43-4/SVST6_6.BIT [ 768.614416] hm2/hm2_7i43.0: board has FPGA '3s200tq144', but the firmware in hm2/7i43-4/SVST6_6.BIT is for FPGA '3s400tq144' [ 768.614434] hm2_7i43.0: board at (ioaddr=0x0378, ioaddr_hi=0x0778, epp_wide ON) not found! ... Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:40:09 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:52:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lяяcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... I think that just requires EMC = 2.46, that has the workaround for the Intel D525 BIOS parallel port mode reporting error And I have 2.5. Possibly but what error do you get? I copied this error message from my previous emails. As much as I can see, it is the same text (except that I am trying different firmware): And you have a 400K 7I43? (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:40:09 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:52:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lяяcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... I think that just requires EMC = 2.46, that has the workaround for the Intel D525 BIOS parallel port mode reporting error And I have 2.5. Possibly but what error do you get? I copied this error message from my previous emails. As much as I can see, it is the same text (except that I am trying different firmware): And you have a 400K 7I43? Yes! I had that problem ~3 months ago. It disappeared suddenly. Today I was working on getting the servo motor to move, I was opening EMC, trying and failing, then closing it, changing settings and trying once again. And in one of the moments, when opening EMC, I got this error. Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:49:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 21:40:09 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Viesturs L?cis wrote: Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2011 20:52:23 +0200 From: [UTF-8] Viesturs L?cis viesturs.la...@gmail.com Reply-To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lяяcis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... I think that just requires EMC = 2.46, that has the workaround for the Intel D525 BIOS parallel port mode reporting error And I have 2.5. Possibly but what error do you get? I copied this error message from my previous emails. As much as I can see, it is the same text (except that I am trying different firmware): And you have a 400K 7I43? Yes! I had that problem ~3 months ago. It disappeared suddenly. Today I was working on getting the servo motor to move, I was opening EMC, trying and failing, then closing it, changing settings and trying once again. And in one of the moments, when opening EMC, I got this error. Viesturs Can you unplug any daughterboard connectors on the 7I43 and launch one of EMCs sample configs just to see if this is software or hardware related? -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Peter Wallace Mesa Electronics (\__/) (='.'=) This is Bunny. Copy and paste bunny into your ()_() signature to help him gain world domination. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 11/25/2011 01:11 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 7:51 AM, andy pughbodge...@gmail.com wrote: On 25 November 2011 10:51, Peter Blodowp.blo...@dreki.de wrote: Andy, you hit me severely there. My respect to all developers and programmers of EMC, but I am sure there is a large silent majority of EMC users who participate without writing to the list, just reading and enjoying. Indeed, my point is that those are the people who we should consider when choosing an OS to base the LiveCD on. I have been a fairly hardcore user of Linux, RTAI, realtime linux, and for that matter emc from back in the old source tarball days. My preference is to continue using Ubuntu for the livecd unless there is a real crisis. As Andy says, it's not that hard to install emc2 on another machine if you are moderately skilled at using Linux. I have really gotten used to apt-get installs, and I hate building from source. Even the most minimal source build seems to require ridiculous dependency hassles that just aren't worth it to me any more. Unless you get the source package from a distribution, of course. Eric I don't believe the goal is to make anything harder, or to go away from the debian packaging system (apt-get etc). I think the problem is that the newest version of Gnome (v3) is more bloated and less usable than ever. Xubuntu is a complete Ubuntu system but it uses XFCE for the desktop instead of Gnome. Lubuntu is Ubuntu with LXDE. Both of these require a lot less system resources than Gnome or KDE, but are fully functional and nice enough looking. And of course Debian is what Ubuntu is based on but it tends to be more stable. It has not historically had as good hardware and media format support out of the box as Ubuntu partly due to a more strict adherence to an open-source-only policy. That may have changed a little now, but I don't know since I haven't used it much for a while. Moses -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
2011/11/25 Peter C. Wallace p...@mesanet.com: Can you unplug any daughterboard connectors on the 7I43 and launch one of EMCs sample configs just to see if this is software or hardware related? It is pretty late, 21:56 for me now, I have to go, so I will try it tomorrow and report results. Viesturs -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Moses McKnight mo...@texband.net wrote: And of course Debian is what Ubuntu is based on but it tends to be more stable. It has not historically had as good hardware and media format support out of the box as Ubuntu partly due to a more strict adherence to an open-source-only policy. That may have changed a little now, but I don't know since I haven't used it much for a while. Moses When I got tired of Fedora's desire to only ship broken, untested software a couple of years ago, I tried Debian. The installer was a nightmare that reminded me of the old 10 floppy install days. I don't know if they have changed that or not, but if they haven't, it's a complete non-starter. The liveCD effort was only peripherally official for the longest time, anyone that feels strongly about this issue can make their own livecd and I suspect we can find a place to host it. If the idea is that the current system is broken and the people that maintain it should use something else, i.e., someone else should do something, that is an entirely different matter and a fairly weak argument. The first step is to find out how hard it is to make an installer disk with custom kernels and software packages. Eric -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] EMC a digital pantograph milling machine?
Hi, I wonder if it would be possible to extend EMC in a way that I could ad a 3D digitiser as an input device and control the position of a 3aces CNC mill live via that digitiser so that I could use the CNC mill just like a digital pantograph milling machine. The digitiser, a Immersion Microscribe II, gives me a stream of xyz coordinates, either via USB or a serial RS-232 interface. I guess the serial connection is much easier to use and probably fast enough, too. My problem is that I have no clue how I might be able to feed these coordinate into EMC, to make EMC move according to these coordinates. I haven't done any development vor EMC yet, except some minor extensions to trivkins, to compensate some errors on my machine. How could I link the digitise and EMC? I hope you can give me some ideas, see you Flo -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] live backplot clear from G code?
Hello, Is it possible to clear the live backplot at the start of part program from the part program? I am using Axis. Thanks, Mike -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] PID BLDC
Viesturs Lācis wrote: 2011/11/25 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com: On 25 November 2011 18:11, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure I understand about the operating mode. I suppose it has to do something with this: loadrt bldc cfg=qh,qh,qh Oh, I did change the h mode recently, though that was intended to make the parport work properly shouldn't have broken a Mesa config. Which version of EMC2? EMC 2.5 that was installed 7-8 weeks ago from buidlbot package. Does anyone remember that I had mysterious problem of getting 7i43 card working with D525MW motherboard. The problem disappeared... Well, it is back... My guess is this is the D525MW EPP problem. I assume you are using it in parallel port mode. The PPMC driver now correctly sets up the port in EPP mode, using the high address field. It does produce an error message, but does the right thing. Maybe the Mesa driver is not reliably setting the extended config register for this particular parallel port to EPP mode. You could try using my pcisetup program, and if it works after that, you will then know the port was not in EPP mode before. Download from : http://pico-systems.com/codes/pcisetup.tgz unpack with tar xzvf pcisetup.tgz and then run with sudo ./pcisetup 378 Jon Jon -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] live backplot clear from G code?
On 25 November 2011 21:55, andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com wrote: However, I just tried the command and got X server insecure (must use xauth-style authorization); command ignored so I am not sure if it works or not (this was in a VM, so might well be non-typical) OK, just tried it on a real machine, and it worked fine. So, in the directory referenced by PROGRAM_PREFIX in your INI file, (probably home/emc2/nc_files) create a text file containing the following lines. #!/bin/sh axis-remote --clear exit 0 Then save that file with the filename M101 (no suffix) Then give that file execute properties (in the file browser, right-click, properties, permissions flag, tick the execute tickbox) You probably need to restart EMC2 if it is open. Then, any time your Gcode contains M101, that file will be called, and will clear the screen. I checked it, and it worked. -- atp The idea that there is no such thing as objective truth is, quite simply, wrong. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] Next distribution after Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is no longer supported?
On 11/25/2011 02:38 PM, Eric Keller wrote: On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 2:57 PM, Moses McKnightmo...@texband.net wrote: And of course Debian is what Ubuntu is based on but it tends to be more stable. It has not historically had as good hardware and media format support out of the box as Ubuntu partly due to a more strict adherence to an open-source-only policy. That may have changed a little now, but I don't know since I haven't used it much for a while. Moses When I got tired of Fedora's desire to only ship broken, untested software a couple of years ago, I tried Debian. The installer was a nightmare that reminded me of the old 10 floppy install days. ... a couple of years ago: perhaps you mean a ( couple * 5 ) years ago? I use quite a few installers - the Debian one is one of the best. Of course if you have brandnew hardware without driver support you can have problems - as is true for all the Linux distros.. There are Debian firmware packages (they supply the binary heaps in /lib/firmware) in case you are using some proprietary firmware. Just isn't a problem these days and particularly so for the things in EMC2. Having a rock solid system is important for folks running EMC2 - There are many cases where bleeding edge support means a less stable system - not something I want on a machine tool. A lot bugs get fixed in Debian first. The fixes pass through experimental - unstable, testing then stable and it is possible to pull code in from unstable to a stable system if need be ( Ubuntu is mostly a mix of testing/unstable Debian packages anyway). (There is also way to pull in Debian packages to Ubuntu). The one thing that Ubuntu offers is paid support - but the comments I've heard from people that have used it say it is better to just search mailing lists.. There are many that are now saying that mint (it is also based on Debian) is displacing Ubuntu as the best desktop ( there is now a branch of mint that goes straight back to Debian to avoid some bugs) - , but I would say the differences are really small - most distros are running pretty much the same code - the important issue for controlling a machine is stability - and Debian is the stability king with the older, time-tested, and debugged code - a good thing for machine control. The other difference between distros is if bugs actually get back to the developers -- explained in detail here: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=338508801782476# Karl Schmidt EMail k...@xtronics.com Transtronics, Inc. WEB http://xtronics.com 3209 West 9th Street Ph (785) 841-3089 Lawrence, KS 66049 FAX (785) 841-0434 Postmodernism: nihilism in drag. -kps -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] live backplot clear from G code?
OK, just tried it on a real machine, and it worked fine. So, in the directory referenced by PROGRAM_PREFIX in your INI file, (probably home/emc2/nc_files) create a text file containing the following lines. #!/bin/sh axis-remote --clear exit 0 Then save that file with the filename M101 (no suffix) Then give that file execute properties (in the file browser, right-click, properties, permissions flag, tick the execute tickbox) You probably need to restart EMC2 if it is open. Then, any time your Gcode contains M101, that file will be called, and will clear the screen. I checked it, and it worked. Andy thanks for the quick response. I tried this but it did not work on my system. I am running Axis ver 2.3.5 could that have anything to do with it? I did not get any faults, it just executed the code but did not clear. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] live backplot clear from G code?
Andy thanks for the quick response. I tried this but it did not work on my system. I am running Axis ver 2.3.5 could that have anything to do with it? I did not get any faults, it just executed the code but did not clear. I think that is the problem. I ran the lines individually from a terminal window and the --clear is not available. Then ran --help and that verified it. I will update Axis then I am sure it will work work. Thanks again. Mike -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
