Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Belli Button
You don't have to be connected to Internet for Draftsight, it gives you a 
'proxy error warning something', just press OK and you're good!


- Original Message - 
From: John Stewart alex.stew...@crc.ca
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Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 12:24 AM
Subject: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity,is gonna run this cat plumb 
out of lives yet.


 All:

 I had the Draftsight registration issue, too. I also like to be able to do 
 CAD drawing on my laptop, without an internet connection.

 I got QCAD for my mac. Seems to work; it works better than my knowledge of 
 CAD 2D drawing is, anyway!

 If Draftsight is giving their software away, why bother about the arcane 
 licensing issue? When will they revoke the license? At least with QCad, I 
 own it until the cows come home.

 (I don't like paying for SW, but as a recent paid app developer, I enjoy 
 when people pay for my app!)

 JohnS.


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Re: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Marcus Bowman
I've been using Draftsight on the Mac for a little over a year, and had no 
problems with registration.
Of course I now receive the regular emails telling me about the wonders of 
training courses and add-ons, to entice me to upgrade to SolidWorks (where the 
real money is to be made). Pity I use Inventor instead...
I use AutoCAD on the PC, and Illustrator for things which are just too 
difficult to draw in Draftsight or AutoCAD.
I also tried the early TurboCAD on the Mac, which was given as a free trail 
version (time-limited). That had a major problem with text following a curve 
(the numerals on a clock face, for example). TurboCAD acknowledged that, but 
didn't offer a fix, so I don't use that software any more. I have the full 
TurboCAD for the PC, but I don't use that either, because if they can't fix a 
known bug on the Mac version, why would they bother supporting the PC version 
either. Strange way to promote their software to users. It's a pity, because 
the interface was nice and simple.
Of course I continue to get the emails offering upgrades to the latest version 
of TurboCAD at what seem like weekly intervals, so that's clearly where they 
make their money. 
I would be interested to know if there are any really good free 3D packages for 
Mac, PC or Linux. Something as capable as Inventor or SolidWorks. 

Regards,

Marcus

On 21 Aug 2012, at 23:49, Greg Bernard wrote:

I've been successfully running Draftsight for about 9 months but I don't recall 
any registration problems.


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fuel when we should be using Nature's inexhaustible sources of energy -- sun, 
wind and tide. ... I'd put my money on the sun and solar energy. 
What a source of power! I hope we don't have to wait until oil and coal 
run out before we tackle that. -Thomas Edison, inventor (1847-1931) 



 
 From: Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net 
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 2:28 PM
 Subject: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.
 
 Hi All;
 
 I'm curious.  How many of the members of this list has downloaded the 
 Dassault Systemes cad program and have successfully registered the freebie 
 copy?
 
 I am 0 for 2 here.  I am getting the impression they have no intention of 
 registering the freebie version, its beginning to feel like a bait  
 switch.
 
 Comments?
 
 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 August 2012 08:43, Marcus Bowman marcus.thebowm...@virgin.net wrote:

 I would be interested to know if there are any really good free 3D packages 
 for Mac, PC or Linux. Something as capable as Inventor or SolidWorks.

Answering a different question, have you seen Inventor Fusion? It's
even available for free  from the Mac App Store:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/autodesk-inventor-fusion/id529580720?mt=12

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[Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Dennis J. Murray
Gene:

Have you looked at gCNCCAM?  I normally use qCAD to generate my part, 
then gCNCCAM to turn it into gcode.  gCNCCAM will automatically generate 
multiple passes to handle deeper cuts than one Z-axis pass allows!  You 
just specify Z-axis depth of cut and target (final) depth and gCNCCAM 
generates the passes necessary to accomplish it.

Neither program is super sophisticated, but both work fine for my needs 
- AND they both run under Linux (10.04 here).

May not suit you, but I like them!

Let us know what you settle on and why (I might even consider changing!).
Dennis

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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 09:18:37 Dennis J. Murray did opine:

 Gene:
 
 Have you looked at gCNCCAM?  I normally use qCAD to generate my part,
 then gCNCCAM to turn it into gcode.  gCNCCAM will automatically generate
 multiple passes to handle deeper cuts than one Z-axis pass allows!  You
 just specify Z-axis depth of cut and target (final) depth and gCNCCAM
 generates the passes necessary to accomplish it.
 
 Neither program is super sophisticated, but both work fine for my needs
 - AND they both run under Linux (10.04 here).
 
 May not suit you, but I like them!
 
 Let us know what you settle on and why (I might even consider
 changing!). Dennis

Sounds useful, so I downloaded the src tarball, tried to build it.  
configure bailed out missing gnome pieces.  Fixed that, then the make 
bailed out:

FrameTool_glade.cc:39:34: error: sigc++/compatibility.h: No such file or 
directory
FrameTool_glade.cc: In constructor 
‘FrameTool_glade::FrameTool_glade(GlademmData*)’:
FrameTool_glade.cc:184: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
FrameTool_glade.cc:185: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
FrameTool_glade.cc:186: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
make[2]: *** [FrameTool_glade.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gene/gcnccam/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

No obvious clues as to what I need to install in a synaptic search for 
glade.  Ideas?  Ways to coax synaptic to spit out the answer?

Thanks. Dennis.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Jan de Kruyf
on Debian I guess it would be
libsigc++-2.0-devbut then I did not build it yet [?]

cheers,

j.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:

 On Wednesday 22 August 2012 09:18:37 Dennis J. Murray did opine:

  Gene:
 
  Have you looked at gCNCCAM?  I normally use qCAD to generate my part,
  then gCNCCAM to turn it into gcode.  gCNCCAM will automatically generate
  multiple passes to handle deeper cuts than one Z-axis pass allows!  You
  just specify Z-axis depth of cut and target (final) depth and gCNCCAM
  generates the passes necessary to accomplish it.
 
  Neither program is super sophisticated, but both work fine for my needs
  - AND they both run under Linux (10.04 here).
 
  May not suit you, but I like them!
 
  Let us know what you settle on and why (I might even consider
  changing!). Dennis

 Sounds useful, so I downloaded the src tarball, tried to build it.
 configure bailed out missing gnome pieces.  Fixed that, then the make
 bailed out:

 FrameTool_glade.cc:39:34: error: sigc++/compatibility.h: No such file or
 directory
 FrameTool_glade.cc: In constructor
 ‘FrameTool_glade::FrameTool_glade(GlademmData*)’:
 FrameTool_glade.cc:184: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
 FrameTool_glade.cc:185: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
 FrameTool_glade.cc:186: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
 make[2]: *** [FrameTool_glade.o] Error 1
 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gene/gcnccam/src'
 make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

 No obvious clues as to what I need to install in a synaptic search for
 glade.  Ideas?  Ways to coax synaptic to spit out the answer?

 Thanks. Dennis.

 Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Ralph Stirling
Given that gcadcam shows no signs of activity since 2008, it doesn't
seem too surprising that it is difficult to compile with current libraries.

Has anybody played with freecad?  It seems to be under very active
development and looks like somebody plans to work on cam for it.

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[Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, , cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Dennis J. Murray
Gene:

I didn't recompile gCNCCAM, I just loaded the .deb file and ran that. 
Worked fine on my system.

Good Luck!
Dennis

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[Emc-users] (no subject)

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
hi folks, i have been testing emc2 for motion control from a time now, and
came to some questions about motion blending in my setup, that i like  to
contribute to solve (and dont have enough knowledge! for that im asking)

The setup is a fairly simple aplication for a filament winding machine,
similar to a lathe, but with naming convention as this:

x linear carriage parallel to mandrel
rotation about mandrel axis is A
transversal axis is Y.
I think this is trivial, and use trivkins.

Running some files(copy a portion below) with y axis fixed at some
position, Axis Gui plot something similar to a thread back and forth, the
plot is ok (change repeat to 1 to see 1 cycle)
i have use inverse time feed rate (to some fixed filament speed), machine
is metric, A is angular in degrees with 2000°/sec speed and 5000°/sec´2
accel.
X have 400mm/sec and 3000mm/sec´2. EMC2 version is 2.4.6

The problem is with motion blending, A axis comes to a dead stop between
segments, and i dont know how to make a movement similar to CV . The
machine is shaking hardly due to high accel and deceleration between
segments in A axis.
I have try to write small segments like A1.8, interpolation and blending
are fine but speed goes down (i think is the interpreter speed is limiting
this).

Any clues?

Regads and many thanks for reading!
Rick


PS: GCODE

g91
g91.1
g94
g64
g90
G0Y0.00
X17.41B0C0
Y50
m00
o100 repeat [24]
g91
g93
G1A 11.98 X 1.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 902.26
A 11.66 X 2.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 925.93
A 11.29 X 2.28 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 956.94
A 11.38 X 2.50 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 949.37
A 12.08 X 2.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 894.19
A 10.11 X 2.54 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1067.62
A 11.27 X 3.47 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 958.47
A 10.98 X 3.73 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 983.61
A 12.32 X 4.60 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 875.91
A 10.89 X 4.46 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 991.74
A 11.66 X 5.22 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 925.93
A 10.49 X 5.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1029.16
A 11.05 X 5.93 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 977.20
A 10.06 X 5.92 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1073.35
A 10.51 X 6.75 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1027.40
A 11.38 X 6.11 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 949.37
A 10.21 X 4.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1058.20
A 1002.41 X 421.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 10.77
A 11.79 X 4.60 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 916.03
A 10.16 X 3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1061.95
A 10.18 X 3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1060.07
A 11.61 X 4.48 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 930.23
A 11.01 X 5.06 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 980.39
A 12.19 X 1.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 886.26
A 10.86 X 1.16 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 995.02
A 12.08 X 1.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 894.19
A 13.61 X 1.03 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 793.65
A 19.05 X 1.03 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 567.11
A 56.34 X -1.23 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 191.69
A 15.33 X -1.22 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 704.23
A 13.84 X -1.14 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 780.23
A 12.68 X -1.42 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 851.06
A 12.03 X -1.51 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 896.86
A 12.02 X -1.74 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 898.20
A 11.91 X -2.07 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 907.72
A 11.53 X -2.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 936.04
A 11.21 X -2.37 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 23.45 X -5.05 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 460.48
A 12.10 X -3.41 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 892.86
A 11.12 X -3.61 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 970.87
A 10.58 X -3.75 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1020.41
A 11.68 X -4.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 924.50
A 10.42 X -4.42 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1036.27
A 11.22 X -5.19 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 10.15 X -5.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1063.83
A 10.76 X -5.93 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1003.34
A 11.13 X -6.76 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 970.87
A 10.84 X -6.80 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 996.68
A 10.81 X -5.33 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1000.00
A 10.86 X -4.66 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 995.02
A 991.27 X -417.19 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 10.90
A 11.21 X -4.68 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 12.34 X -4.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 875.91
A 10.18 X -3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1060.07
A 10.12 X -3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1067.62
A 10.07 X -4.48 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1073.35
A 10.14 X -3.86 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1065.72
A 13.08 X -1.68 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 826.45
A 11.24 X -1.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 961.54
A 12.55 X -1.10 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 860.83
A 19.03 X -1.26 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 567.64
A 69.16 X 1.10 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 156.17
A 16.30 X 1.25 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 662.98
A 13.71 X 1.24 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 787.40
A 11.25 X 1.34 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 960.00
A 17.09 X 2.39 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 632.24
o100 endrepeat
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[Emc-users] Angular/Linear Motion Blending!?

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
hi folks, i have been testing emc2 for motion control from a time now, and
came to some questions about motion blending in my setup, that i like  to
contribute to solve (and dont have enough knowledge! for that im asking)

The setup is a fairly simple aplication for a filament winding machine,
similar to a lathe, but with naming convention as this:

x linear carriage parallel to mandrel
rotation about mandrel axis is A
transversal axis is Y.
I think this is trivial, and use trivkins.

Running some files(copy a portion below) with y axis fixed at some
position, Axis Gui plot something similar to a thread back and forth, the
plot is ok (change repeat to 1 to see 1 cycle)
i have use inverse time feed rate (to some fixed filament speed), machine
is metric, A is angular in degrees with 2000°/sec speed and 5000°/sec´2
accel.
X have 400mm/sec and 3000mm/sec´2. EMC2 version is 2.4.6

The problem is with motion blending, A axis comes to a dead stop between
segments, and i dont know how to make a movement similar to CV . The
machine is shaking hardly due to high accel and deceleration between
segments in A axis.
I have try to write small segments like A1.8, interpolation and blending
are fine but speed goes down (i think is the interpreter speed is limiting
this).

Any clues?

Regads and many thanks for reading!
Rick


PS: GCODE

g91
g91.1
g94
g64
g90
G0Y0.00
X17.41B0C0
Y50
m00
o100 repeat [24]
g91
g93
G1A 11.98 X 1.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 902.26
A 11.66 X 2.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 925.93
A 11.29 X 2.28 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 956.94
A 11.38 X 2.50 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 949.37
A 12.08 X 2.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 894.19
A 10.11 X 2.54 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1067.62
A 11.27 X 3.47 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 958.47
A 10.98 X 3.73 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 983.61
A 12.32 X 4.60 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 875.91
A 10.89 X 4.46 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 991.74
A 11.66 X 5.22 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 925.93
A 10.49 X 5.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1029.16
A 11.05 X 5.93 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 977.20
A 10.06 X 5.92 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1073.35
A 10.51 X 6.75 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1027.40
A 11.38 X 6.11 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 949.37
A 10.21 X 4.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1058.20
A 1002.41 X 421.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 10.77
A 11.79 X 4.60 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 916.03
A 10.16 X 3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1061.95
A 10.18 X 3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1060.07
A 11.61 X 4.48 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 930.23
A 11.01 X 5.06 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 980.39
A 12.19 X 1.87 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 886.26
A 10.86 X 1.16 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 995.02
A 12.08 X 1.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 894.19
A 13.61 X 1.03 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 793.65
A 19.05 X 1.03 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 567.11
A 56.34 X -1.23 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 191.69
A 15.33 X -1.22 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 704.23
A 13.84 X -1.14 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 780.23
A 12.68 X -1.42 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 851.06
A 12.03 X -1.51 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 896.86
A 12.02 X -1.74 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 898.20
A 11.91 X -2.07 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 907.72
A 11.53 X -2.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 936.04
A 11.21 X -2.37 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 23.45 X -5.05 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 460.48
A 12.10 X -3.41 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 892.86
A 11.12 X -3.61 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 970.87
A 10.58 X -3.75 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1020.41
A 11.68 X -4.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 924.50
A 10.42 X -4.42 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1036.27
A 11.22 X -5.19 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 10.15 X -5.13 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1063.83
A 10.76 X -5.93 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1003.34
A 11.13 X -6.76 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 970.87
A 10.84 X -6.80 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 996.68
A 10.81 X -5.33 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1000.00
A 10.86 X -4.66 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 995.02
A 991.27 X -417.19 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 10.90
A 11.21 X -4.68 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 963.08
A 12.34 X -4.53 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 875.91
A 10.18 X -3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1060.07
A 10.12 X -3.58 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1067.62
A 10.07 X -4.48 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1073.35
A 10.14 X -3.86 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 1065.72
A 13.08 X -1.68 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 826.45
A 11.24 X -1.15 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 961.54
A 12.55 X -1.10 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 860.83
A 19.03 X -1.26 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 567.64
A 69.16 X 1.10 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 156.17
A 16.30 X 1.25 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 662.98
A 13.71 X 1.24 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 787.40
A 11.25 X 1.34 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 960.00
A 17.09 X 2.39 Y 0 B 0 C 0 F 632.24
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Re: [Emc-users] (no subject)

2012-08-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 August 2012 16:54, Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com wrote:

 The setup is a fairly simple aplication for a filament winding machine,
 similar to a lathe, but with naming convention as this:

Do you really want to drive this machine with G-code?
I would be tempted just to mathematically link the X-stepgen to the A
stepgen position.

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Re: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 8/22/2012 2:43 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote:
 I would be interested to know if there are any really good free 3D packages 
 for Mac, PC or Linux. Something as capable as Inventor or SolidWorks.
Marcus:

I started creating a list of my own last spring. I got interrupted by 
family health problems before I could assess all of these. The following 
is my running list. I make no claim that it is complete nor than any 
entry is better or more suitable than another nor that any entry could 
possibly be of interest to anyone besides me. Because you asked about 3D 
modelers, I deleted the 2D drafting entries such as community QCAD, 
LibreCAD, DraftSight, Solid Edge 2D Drafting.

Note that I include commercial software if the license allows me to use 
it for free. Feel free to ignore those entries. I have been a paid-up 
customer of AlibreDesign since before I retired, so it's not like I 
won't pay real money for software. It's a bit like taxes; I don't want 
to pay more than I have to for what I want to do.

Note that not all of these are serious contenders for a CAD/CAM 
environment (BRL-CAD, for example, may well have Cow Power but it is 
constipated---I can't get any useful data file out of it; the Open 
Cascade project is not itself a CAD system but is the 3D CAD engine and 
file translator for many). Some are meshed surface modellers only and 
better suited for additive machining (e.g., 3D printing) than 
subtractive (e.g., milling). Some aren't far enough along yet to.

I have a companion spreadsheet I'm working on that compares input/import 
and save/export file options of different packages (it includes tools 
not show here) from which I can develop start-to-finish work flows. My 
goal is a wizard that allows me to enter what I have (e.g., a design 
model given to me in some format) and what I want to do with what I have 
(e.g., create G-Code) so it can recommend a tool chain. This is not 
ready for prime time.

Note that some of the products which I've loaded only on Win7 likely can 
be made to work on Linux using Wine. I just haven't bothered to try. 
Some may even have Linux versions in the works that I've overlooked.

My intent is to update the LinuxCNC wiki with my results, along with 
some examples, if I can just get the time to complete what I started.

If anyone has other candidates for the list I'd be happy to hear about them.

---start list---

Open Source or at least free-to-use 3D CAD modelers

1. BRL-CAD 7.20.2 - loaded on Win7/Linux 10.04LTS
2. Open Cascade Project
3. FreeCAD 0.12.5284 - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04LTS
4. HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC - no development in last year, mostly
5. SketchUp8 - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04
6. Autodesk 123D --- web-based
7. gCAD3D 1.80 - loaded on Win7
8. Salome 6.4.0 - loaded on Win7
9. Blender 2.62 - loaded on Win7
10. VisualCAD2012 - loaded on Win7
11. OpenSCAD (2011.06/.12) -loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04
12. Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 4.0 - loaded on Win7


Open Source or at least free-to-use CAM

1. VisualMILL2012 (plugin to VisualCAD2012)
2. NGCGUI (LinuxCNC)
3. PyCAM
4. OpenSCAM (early alpha) - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04

---end list---

As an aside, I had no problem getting a license key for DraftSight but 
it's been long enough ago that I don't remember what I had to do.

Good luck.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread andy pugh
On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com wrote:
 Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C, coordinated
 too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
 diferent layups patterns, etc,

OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).

I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
haven't checked).

You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
they are all just stepgens..


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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
Hi andy:

I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well, with Y
axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F words
by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
move come into this
If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI display
section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
know this!)
Do you know where to look at the source code?
I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at time.

Regards
Rick



2012/8/22 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

 On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C, coordinated
  too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
  diferent layups patterns, etc,

 OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
 function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
 normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
 to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).

 I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
 code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
 axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
 haven't checked).

 You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
 they are all just stepgens..


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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Ralph Stirling
I'm very interested in your machine, Ricardo.  I implemented a
very simple coil winder earlier this summer, with just an X and A
axis.  I set up the scaling such that the units of A were turns
(1.0 = 360 degrees).  Do you have any more information on your
machine available?  Photos or videos?

-- Ralph

From: Ricardo Moscoloni [rmoscol...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:52 AM
To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

Hi andy:

I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well, with Y
axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F words
by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
move come into this
If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI display
section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
know this!)
Do you know where to look at the source code?
I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at time.

Regards
Rick



2012/8/22 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

 On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com wrote:
  Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C, coordinated
  too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
  diferent layups patterns, etc,

 OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
 function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
 normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
 to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).

 I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
 code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
 axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
 haven't checked).

 You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
 they are all just stepgens..


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Re: [Emc-users] Ladder question

2012-08-22 Thread Viesturs Lācis
2012/8/21 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com:
 2012/8/20 Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com:
 Hi,

 Try:  loadrt classicladder_rt numTimersIec=15

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_realtime_module


 Thank You!

 I did not understand, what those variable names in table in section
 3.3 meant. Now I got it!


I am now trying to put all the things together, I have 12 rungs and I
feel that it already is getting messy.
Is there a way to add some kind of comments? I would like to make it
easier to remember, what exactly I have connected to input no:I5 or
output no:Q2. Or what exactly is the meaning for some internal
connection no:B4

How do other users handle these things? Is writing notes on paper
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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Dave
Have you tried G64 P.05 or something similar??

http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html

Dave

On 8/22/2012 12:52 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
 Hi andy:

 I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well, with Y
 axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F words
 by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
 this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
 Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
 continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
 I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
 working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
 move come into this
 If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI display
 section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
 know this!)
 Do you know where to look at the source code?
 I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at time.

 Regards
 Rick



 2012/8/22 andy pughbodge...@gmail.com


 On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscolonirmoscol...@gmail.com  wrote:
  
 Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C, coordinated
 too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
 diferent layups patterns, etc,

 OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
 function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
 normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
 to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).

 I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
 code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
 axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
 haven't checked).

 You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
 they are all just stepgens..


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Re: [Emc-users] Ladder question

2012-08-22 Thread Klemen Ozebek
Hi,

you can give inputs and outputs names with changing symbol name in symbol
window check link below:

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_symbol_window

after tahat you can display symbols in section display with
checking/unchecking option display symbols  check link below:

http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_section_display


in section display window you can also name rung.

On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:50 PM, Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.comwrote:

 2012/8/21 Viesturs Lācis viesturs.la...@gmail.com:
  2012/8/20 Klemen Ozebek klemen.oze...@gmail.com:
  Hi,
 
  Try:  loadrt classicladder_rt numTimersIec=15
 
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_realtime_module
 
 
  Thank You!
 
  I did not understand, what those variable names in table in section
  3.3 meant. Now I got it!
 

 I am now trying to put all the things together, I have 12 rungs and I
 feel that it already is getting messy.
 Is there a way to add some kind of comments? I would like to make it
 easier to remember, what exactly I have connected to input no:I5 or
 output no:Q2. Or what exactly is the meaning for some internal
 connection no:B4

 How do other users handle these things? Is writing notes on paper
 really my only option?

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Re: [Emc-users] Ladder question

2012-08-22 Thread Dave
On 8/22/2012 2:50 PM, Viesturs Lācis wrote:
 2012/8/21 Viesturs Lācisviesturs.la...@gmail.com:

 2012/8/20 Klemen Ozebekklemen.oze...@gmail.com:
  
 Hi,

 Try:  loadrt classicladder_rt numTimersIec=15

 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_realtime_module


 Thank You!

 I did not understand, what those variable names in table in section
 3.3 meant. Now I got it!

  
 I am now trying to put all the things together, I have 12 rungs and I
 feel that it already is getting messy.
 Is there a way to add some kind of comments? I would like to make it
 easier to remember, what exactly I have connected to input no:I5 or
 output no:Q2. Or what exactly is the meaning for some internal
 connection no:B4

 How do other users handle these things? Is writing notes on paper
 really my only option?



You can put one single line, limited length comment above each rung..   
You have to be in edit mode to add the comment line.
You could also use that comment space to put a reference to further 
documentation in a text file.  Open the text file on the same screen and 
now you have further documentation.  :-)

I used an spreadsheet running on a different laptop to document bits and 
words I used the last time I did that.   That was very handy.

Dave

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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
Yes, so far no results, im away from the machine until tomorrow, will give
another try, anyway a g64 without p parameter is in the sample code.
regards
rick


2012/8/22 Dave e...@dc9.tzo.com

 Have you tried G64 P.05 or something similar??

 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html

 Dave

 On 8/22/2012 12:52 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
  Hi andy:
 
  I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well,
 with Y
  axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F
 words
  by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
  this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
  Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
  continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
  I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
  working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
  move come into this
  If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI
 display
  section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
  know this!)
  Do you know where to look at the source code?
  I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at
 time.
 
  Regards
  Rick
 
 
 
  2012/8/22 andy pughbodge...@gmail.com
 
 
  On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscolonirmoscol...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C,
 coordinated
  too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
  diferent layups patterns, etc,
 
  OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
  function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
  normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
  to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).
 
  I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
  code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
  axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
  haven't checked).
 
  You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
  they are all just stepgens..
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Ricardo Moscoloni
Someone know how to post files in here? for everyone to see? i have pics,
and files, using the right units and a distance in y makes AXIS GUI to plot
what you are doing in an excellent way. Cheers for the one how do that!
Regards
rick

2012/8/22 Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu

 I'm very interested in your machine, Ricardo.  I implemented a
 very simple coil winder earlier this summer, with just an X and A
 axis.  I set up the scaling such that the units of A were turns
 (1.0 = 360 degrees).  Do you have any more information on your
 machine available?  Photos or videos?

 -- Ralph
 
 From: Ricardo Moscoloni [rmoscol...@gmail.com]
 Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 9:52 AM
 To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)
 Subject: Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

 Hi andy:

 I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well, with Y
 axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F words
 by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
 this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
 Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
 continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
 I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
 working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
 move come into this
 If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI display
 section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
 know this!)
 Do you know where to look at the source code?
 I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at time.

 Regards
 Rick



 2012/8/22 andy pugh bodge...@gmail.com

  On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscoloni rmoscol...@gmail.com wrote:
   Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C,
 coordinated
   too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
   diferent layups patterns, etc,
 
  OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
  function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
  normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
  to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).
 
  I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
  code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
  axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
  haven't checked).
 
  You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
  they are all just stepgens..
 
 
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Re: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread dave
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 11:54 -0400, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 8/22/2012 2:43 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote:
  I would be interested to know if there are any really good free 3D packages 
  for Mac, PC or Linux. Something as capable as Inventor or SolidWorks.
 Marcus:
 
 I started creating a list of my own last spring. I got interrupted by 
 family health problems before I could assess all of these. The following 
 is my running list. I make no claim that it is complete nor than any 
 entry is better or more suitable than another nor that any entry could 
 possibly be of interest to anyone besides me. Because you asked about 3D 
 modelers, I deleted the 2D drafting entries such as community QCAD, 
 LibreCAD, DraftSight, Solid Edge 2D Drafting.
 
 Note that I include commercial software if the license allows me to use 
 it for free. Feel free to ignore those entries. I have been a paid-up 
 customer of AlibreDesign since before I retired, so it's not like I 
 won't pay real money for software. It's a bit like taxes; I don't want 
 to pay more than I have to for what I want to do.
 
 Note that not all of these are serious contenders for a CAD/CAM 
 environment (BRL-CAD, for example, may well have Cow Power but it is 
 constipated---I can't get any useful data file out of it; the Open 
 Cascade project is not itself a CAD system but is the 3D CAD engine and 
 file translator for many). Some are meshed surface modellers only and 
 better suited for additive machining (e.g., 3D printing) than 
 subtractive (e.g., milling). Some aren't far enough along yet to.
 
 I have a companion spreadsheet I'm working on that compares input/import 
 and save/export file options of different packages (it includes tools 
 not show here) from which I can develop start-to-finish work flows. My 
 goal is a wizard that allows me to enter what I have (e.g., a design 
 model given to me in some format) and what I want to do with what I have 
 (e.g., create G-Code) so it can recommend a tool chain. This is not 
 ready for prime time.
 
 Note that some of the products which I've loaded only on Win7 likely can 
 be made to work on Linux using Wine. I just haven't bothered to try. 
 Some may even have Linux versions in the works that I've overlooked.
 
 My intent is to update the LinuxCNC wiki with my results, along with 
 some examples, if I can just get the time to complete what I started.
 
 If anyone has other candidates for the list I'd be happy to hear about them.
 
 ---start list---
 
 Open Source or at least free-to-use 3D CAD modelers
 
 1. BRL-CAD 7.20.2 - loaded on Win7/Linux 10.04LTS
 2. Open Cascade Project
 3. FreeCAD 0.12.5284 - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04LTS
 4. HeeksCAD/HeeksCNC - no development in last year, mostly
 5. SketchUp8 - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04
 6. Autodesk 123D --- web-based
 7. gCAD3D 1.80 - loaded on Win7
 8. Salome 6.4.0 - loaded on Win7
 9. Blender 2.62 - loaded on Win7
 10. VisualCAD2012 - loaded on Win7
 11. OpenSCAD (2011.06/.12) -loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04
 12. Creo Elements/Direct Modeling Express 4.0 - loaded on Win7
 
 
 Open Source or at least free-to-use CAM
 
 1. VisualMILL2012 (plugin to VisualCAD2012)
 2. NGCGUI (LinuxCNC)
 3. PyCAM
 4. OpenSCAM (early alpha) - loaded on Win7, Linux 10.04
 
 ---end list---
 
 As an aside, I had no problem getting a license key for DraftSight but 
 it's been long enough ago that I don't remember what I had to do.
 
 Good luck.
 
 Regards,
 Kent

Kent:

I did notice that apt360 is not on that list. Certainly not easy to use
but capable. 

On a slightly different tack ... during the development of IGES was APT
ever considered as a adequate description of a solid? 

Just had to poke. ;-)

I'm certainly glad that some the the health problems have moderated. 

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Re: [Emc-users] Curiosity, is gonna run this cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 8/22/2012 6:04 PM, dave wrote:
 On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 11:54 -0400, Kent A. Reed wrote:
 On 8/22/2012 2:43 AM, Marcus Bowman wrote:
 I would be interested to know if there are any really good free 3D packages 
 for Mac, PC or Linux. Something as capable as Inventor or SolidWorks.
 Marcus:

 I started creating a list of my own last spring. I got interrupted by
 family health problems before I could assess all of these. The following
 is my running list. I make no claim that it is complete nor than any
 ...
 Kent:

 I did notice that apt360 is not on that list. Certainly not easy to use
 but capable.

 On a slightly different tack ... during the development of IGES was APT
 ever considered as a adequate description of a solid?

 Just had to poke. ;-)

 I'm certainly glad that some the the health problems have moderated.

 Dave


Oof! You got me fair and square. All I can claim in my defense is that I 
last updated the list before the apt360 discussion got serious.

No, the IGES folks looked at APT as a postprocessing problem. Cast your 
mind back to the late 1970s. CAD systems captured static geometric 
models. Virtually no parametric capability existed yet; no sensible 
notion of geometric constraint. The notion of a CSG model defined 
through primitives and operations was barely on the horizon. The APT 
view of the world was completely foreign. Even now, a number of common 
CAD modeling practices would be difficult to implement in an APT world. 
Suppose one wanted to know some dimension between features on a modeled 
part. In an APT world, one would have to process enough of the program 
to determine the two edges/surfaces of the features of interest. Imagine 
trying to design with a constraint established on that dimension, the 
way one can with most of the shrink-wrapped PC modelling packages today.

Regards,
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 18:53:15 Jan de Kruyf did opine:

 on Debian I guess it would be
 libsigc++-2.0-devbut then I did not build it yet [?]
 
You might want to try that. :-)

I had everything but the .doc file for that library already.  It didn't 
seem to help.  Neither did installing libgnomeui*.  So I'm still right 
where I was, but another day tireder.  Getting old isn't for wimps.

 cheers,
 
 j.
 
 On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Gene Heskett ghesk...@wdtv.com wrote:
  On Wednesday 22 August 2012 09:18:37 Dennis J. Murray did opine:
   Gene:
   
   Have you looked at gCNCCAM?  I normally use qCAD to generate my
   part, then gCNCCAM to turn it into gcode.  gCNCCAM will
   automatically generate multiple passes to handle deeper cuts than
   one Z-axis pass allows!  You just specify Z-axis depth of cut and
   target (final) depth and gCNCCAM generates the passes necessary to
   accomplish it.
   
   Neither program is super sophisticated, but both work fine for my
   needs - AND they both run under Linux (10.04 here).
   
   May not suit you, but I like them!
   
   Let us know what you settle on and why (I might even consider
   changing!). Dennis
  
  Sounds useful, so I downloaded the src tarball, tried to build it.
  configure bailed out missing gnome pieces.  Fixed that, then the make
  bailed out:
  
  FrameTool_glade.cc:39:34: error: sigc++/compatibility.h: No such file
  or directory
  FrameTool_glade.cc: In constructor
  ‘FrameTool_glade::FrameTool_glade(GlademmData*)’:
  FrameTool_glade.cc:184: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
  FrameTool_glade.cc:185: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
  FrameTool_glade.cc:186: error: ‘SigC’ has not been declared
  make[2]: *** [FrameTool_glade.o] Error 1
  make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/gene/gcnccam/src'
  make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
  
  No obvious clues as to what I need to install in a synaptic search for
  glade.  Ideas?  Ways to coax synaptic to spit out the answer?
  
  Thanks. Dennis.
  
  Cheers, Gene
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[Emc-users] General question about gibs

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
Hi all;

I am still trying to put that ball screw in the X axis of my mini-lathe, 
and as I was cleaning things up, getting ready for the next step of the 
assembly, I find that I have not fixed a gib problem this POS has had since 
day one, and likely cannot without a new, more precisely fitting gib strip.

The first time I ever took it apart, I noted that it was bent, swaybacked 
by about an eight of an inch just laying on the table relaxed.

So I got out something resembling an anvil and bent it back as straight as 
I could, then polished it till its wear face was straight before I 
reassembled it, removing possibly .005 in getting the upper facing 45 
degree angle so it marked a magic marker full length.

Today as I was reassembling it and attempting to adjust the gib screws, I 
noted that the top face not only wasn't in contact with the bottom of the 
slider, the tip of it at the bottom of the carriages v-cut was sharper than 
the bottom of the carriages v-cut, so I purposely rounded off that edge 
hoping that both sides of the V would make contact.  Such is not the case 
and never will be with this strip, it is not only about 50 thou thinner 
than it should be, but when the angled face is in contact with the V-way, 
its top face is clearing the bottom of the cross slider at a very 
noticeable angle of at least 10 degrees.

If I stick my pocket knife into the gap between the carriage top and the 
bottom of the slider, I can lift the right edge of the crossfeed a good 20 
thou, which explains a lot of why I can't begin to use all the spindle 
motor for a cut and the bit, when the cross slide tips up like that, is 
driven into the workpiece hard enough to stall the spindle  blow the fuse 
or trip my electronic fuse in .hal instantly.  I can actually see the gib 
strip being picked up by the adjustment screws, allowing a tip up of at 
good 20-30 thou by the time the top of it is in contact with the bottom of 
the slider.  I can also see straight through the clearance gap, both top 
and bottom. EG this sows ear is decomposing.

LMS doesn't show a replacement strip for this lathe, so it appears I will 
need to make a new one.  So, 2 questions:

1: What should I make it out of?

2: will the usual 45 degree dovetail bit suffice to establish the correct 
angles to contain this lifting of the right edge of the cross feed slider?

3: Or, perchance is this a stock item at some other machinery peddler 
besides LMS?

Thanks.

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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:34:31 Ralph Stirling did opine:

 Given that gcadcam shows no signs of activity since 2008, it doesn't
 seem too surprising that it is difficult to compile with current
 libraries.
 
 Has anybody played with freecad?  It seems to be under very active
 development and looks like somebody plans to work on cam for it.

I'm on the about 2 builds a week development channel of it, and I believe 
it holds considerable promise.  My problem is the docs all assume you are 
on a first name basis with a commercial cad program, which of course I am 
not, so the learning curve is fairly vertical for me.  Teaching old dogs 
new tricks comes to mind.  :-)

Freecad is where Dan's Heeks  Faulks are now working, so I would assume 
that quite a bit of heekscnc will eventually be committed.  Perhaps it even 
works now if the correct export format is chosen.  But I've not tried it, 
so that just barely qualifies as a W.A.G.

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Re: [Emc-users] Angular/Linear motion blending

2012-08-22 Thread Dave
Yes, but the G64 with the P0.05 does work very well blending at high 
speeds at least with the X-Y axes..

If you read the manual page I cited, the G64 alone does not invoke the 
naive cam detector and it is mentioned that just using the G64 alone 
invoke the old code.

Don't assume that just because G64 is shown in the sample code that is 
the best setup for your machine.  Although the docs are really good, 
they aren't that good!

Dave

On 8/22/2012 4:09 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
 Yes, so far no results, im away from the machine until tomorrow, will give
 another try, anyway a g64 without p parameter is in the sample code.
 regards
 rick


 2012/8/22 Davee...@dc9.tzo.com


 Have you tried G64 P.05 or something similar??

 http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/common/User_Concepts.html

 Dave

 On 8/22/2012 12:52 PM, Ricardo Moscoloni wrote:
  
 Hi andy:

 I have change A with Y, interpolation and blending goes really well,

 with Y
  
 axis almost spining at a constant rate. But have to remove all the F

 words
  
 by only at the beginning and change to units/min the feedrate mode, for
 this. (i asume units dont correlate any more to the actual movement)
 Seems that my original  gcode´s F´s (inverse time) doesnt have a CV
 continuity or the EMC2 doesnt like that!?
 I dont have look at the code, but theres a chance that blending isnt
 working nor implemented, or something else. I think nature of the spatial
 move come into this
 If you will run the code for testing, remember to put in  AXIS GUI

 display
  
 section GEOMETRY = AXYBC to plot the actual geometry (surely you already
 know this!)
 Do you know where to look at the source code?
 I will look for the hal offset, surely i will find a use for  that at

 time.
  
 Regards
 Rick



 2012/8/22 andy pughbodge...@gmail.com



 On 22 August 2012 17:51, Ricardo Moscolonirmoscol...@gmail.com
  
   wrote:
  
  
 Is an option, but the machine has more joints, like B and C,

 coordinated
  
 too, for more complex geometries, varying winding angles, tape width,
 diferent layups patterns, etc,


 OK, in that case you might want to consider using the HAL Offset
 function for slaved motions. That allows you to move the axes
 normally, but to do wierd things with them. (I have used such a system
 to bore hexagonal holes using a lathe, for example).

 I am away from my machines until the weekend, so can't check out your
 code, but I think that the underlying problem might be that the rotary
 axes are not part of the blending algorithm. (this is a guess, as I
 haven't checked).

 You could try using Y as your rotary axis. As far as HAL is concerned
 they are all just stepgens..


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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, , cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:43:22 Dennis J. Murray did opine:

 Gene:
 
 I didn't recompile gCNCCAM, I just loaded the .deb file and ran that.
 Worked fine on my system.
 
 Good Luck!
 Dennis
 
I didn't see a .deb of the newer version 4.4.2.  Did you find one?

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Re: [Emc-users] General question about gibs

2012-08-22 Thread jeremy youngs
gene andy has a similar project on his gmail profile i think he had
some photobucket shots or something, that british chap is pretty swift
and this yankee was pretty impressed
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Re: [Emc-users] General question about gibs

2012-08-22 Thread Mark Cason
On 08/22/2012 06:33 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
 Hi all;

 I am still trying to put that ball screw in the X axis of my mini-lathe,
 and as I was cleaning things up, getting ready for the next step of the
 assembly, I find that I have not fixed a gib problem this POS has had since
 day one, and likely cannot without a new, more precisely fitting gib strip.

 The first time I ever took it apart, I noted that it was bent, swaybacked
 by about an eight of an inch just laying on the table relaxed.

 So I got out something resembling an anvil and bent it back as straight as
 I could, then polished it till its wear face was straight before I
 reassembled it, removing possibly .005 in getting the upper facing 45
 degree angle so it marked a magic marker full length.

 Today as I was reassembling it and attempting to adjust the gib screws, I
 noted that the top face not only wasn't in contact with the bottom of the
 slider, the tip of it at the bottom of the carriages v-cut was sharper than
 the bottom of the carriages v-cut, so I purposely rounded off that edge
 hoping that both sides of the V would make contact.  Such is not the case
 and never will be with this strip, it is not only about 50 thou thinner
 than it should be, but when the angled face is in contact with the V-way,
 its top face is clearing the bottom of the cross slider at a very
 noticeable angle of at least 10 degrees.

 If I stick my pocket knife into the gap between the carriage top and the
 bottom of the slider, I can lift the right edge of the crossfeed a good 20
 thou, which explains a lot of why I can't begin to use all the spindle
 motor for a cut and the bit, when the cross slide tips up like that, is
 driven into the workpiece hard enough to stall the spindle  blow the fuse
 or trip my electronic fuse in .hal instantly.  I can actually see the gib
 strip being picked up by the adjustment screws, allowing a tip up of at
 good 20-30 thou by the time the top of it is in contact with the bottom of
 the slider.  I can also see straight through the clearance gap, both top
 and bottom. EG this sows ear is decomposing.

 LMS doesn't show a replacement strip for this lathe, so it appears I will
 need to make a new one.  So, 2 questions:

 1: What should I make it out of?

 2: will the usual 45 degree dovetail bit suffice to establish the correct
 angles to contain this lifting of the right edge of the cross feed slider?

 3: Or, perchance is this a stock item at some other machinery peddler
 besides LMS?

 Thanks.

 Cheers, Gene

   A couple of years ago, I completely rebuilt my mini lathe.  I 
stripped my lathe down, and took med/fine clover compound, and spent 
then next hour sliding the carriage from one end of the bed, to the 
other.  After that, I cleaned it thoroughly.

   To fix the wavy bottom edge of the ways, I took some 240 grit 
sandpaper, and glued it to the gib strips.  and then slid the carriage 
back, and forth again, for the next 2 hours, changing to increasingly 
finer sandpaper every couple hundred strokes, or so.  I finally ended 
with a piece of 1000 grit.  I added a bit of machine oil to the ways, 
top, and bottom, to make sliding the carriage easier.  Adjust the gib 
screws to the point that you have resistance, but not too tight that the 
carriage won't move easily.

   Finally, I took and machined, and lapped a new gib strip out of a 
1/4 piece of mild steel.  The gib should be machined so that you don't 
need to use the adjustment screws.  Measure how much your carriage 
extends above, or below the bottom edge of the ways, and machine the gib 
accordingly.  Brass, would be a ideal material, but pretty much any 
metal will work.

-- 
-Mark

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Hope for the best, plan for the worst   ---Personal Motto


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[Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, , , cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Dennis J. Murray
Gene:

In answer to your question, NO, I have not found a built version of 
gCNCCAM 4.4.2.  I am running the 4.4.1 version pointed to in the 
Sourceforge page for gCNCCAM.  It IS old, but does what I need it to, so 
I'm not too upset it isn't currently maintained!  Heck, I'm not well 
maintained either ;-(

Good luck in your search!
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread dave
On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 19:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
 On Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:34:31 Ralph Stirling did opine:
 
  Given that gcadcam shows no signs of activity since 2008, it doesn't
  seem too surprising that it is difficult to compile with current
  libraries.
  
  Has anybody played with freecad?  It seems to be under very active
  development and looks like somebody plans to work on cam for it.
 
 I'm on the about 2 builds a week development channel of it, and I believe 
 it holds considerable promise.  My problem is the docs all assume you are 
 on a first name basis with a commercial cad program, which of course I am 
 not, so the learning curve is fairly vertical for me.  Teaching old dogs 
 new tricks comes to mind.  :-)
 
 Freecad is where Dan's Heeks  Faulks are now working, so I would assume 
 that quite a bit of heekscnc will eventually be committed.  Perhaps it even 
 works now if the correct export format is chosen.  But I've not tried it, 
 so that just barely qualifies as a W.A.G.
 
 Cheers, Gene

Don't feel like the Lone Ranger ... the vocabulary is fairly clear to
someone working in the field but foggy to someone new. Been there, still
doing that. 

Dave


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[Emc-users] Re, Re the cat

2012-08-22 Thread Erik Friesen
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Re: [Emc-users] General question about gibs

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 22:28:10 Mark Cason did opine:

 On 08/22/2012 06:33 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
  Hi all;
  
  I am still trying to put that ball screw in the X axis of my
  mini-lathe, and as I was cleaning things up, getting ready for the
  next step of the assembly, I find that I have not fixed a gib problem
  this POS has had since day one, and likely cannot without a new, more
  precisely fitting gib strip.
  
  The first time I ever took it apart, I noted that it was bent,
  swaybacked by about an eight of an inch just laying on the table
  relaxed.
  
  So I got out something resembling an anvil and bent it back as
  straight as I could, then polished it till its wear face was straight
  before I reassembled it, removing possibly .005 in getting the upper
  facing 45 degree angle so it marked a magic marker full length.
  
  Today as I was reassembling it and attempting to adjust the gib
  screws, I noted that the top face not only wasn't in contact with the
  bottom of the slider, the tip of it at the bottom of the carriages
  v-cut was sharper than the bottom of the carriages v-cut, so I
  purposely rounded off that edge hoping that both sides of the V would
  make contact.  Such is not the case and never will be with this
  strip, it is not only about 50 thou thinner than it should be, but
  when the angled face is in contact with the V-way, its top face is
  clearing the bottom of the cross slider at a very noticeable angle of
  at least 10 degrees.
  
  If I stick my pocket knife into the gap between the carriage top and
  the bottom of the slider, I can lift the right edge of the crossfeed
  a good 20 thou, which explains a lot of why I can't begin to use all
  the spindle motor for a cut and the bit, when the cross slide tips up
  like that, is driven into the workpiece hard enough to stall the
  spindle  blow the fuse or trip my electronic fuse in .hal instantly.
   I can actually see the gib strip being picked up by the adjustment
  screws, allowing a tip up of at good 20-30 thou by the time the top
  of it is in contact with the bottom of the slider.  I can also see
  straight through the clearance gap, both top and bottom. EG this sows
  ear is decomposing.
  
  LMS doesn't show a replacement strip for this lathe, so it appears I
  will need to make a new one.  So, 2 questions:
  
  1: What should I make it out of?
  
  2: will the usual 45 degree dovetail bit suffice to establish the
  correct angles to contain this lifting of the right edge of the cross
  feed slider?
  
  3: Or, perchance is this a stock item at some other machinery peddler
  besides LMS?
  
  Thanks.
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
A couple of years ago, I completely rebuilt my mini lathe.  I
 stripped my lathe down, and took med/fine clover compound, and spent
 then next hour sliding the carriage from one end of the bed, to the
 other.  After that, I cleaned it thoroughly.
 
To fix the wavy bottom edge of the ways, I took some 240 grit
 sandpaper, and glued it to the gib strips.  and then slid the carriage
 back, and forth again, for the next 2 hours, changing to increasingly
 finer sandpaper every couple hundred strokes, or so.  I finally ended
 with a piece of 1000 grit.  I added a bit of machine oil to the ways,
 top, and bottom, to make sliding the carriage easier.  Adjust the gib
 screws to the point that you have resistance, but not too tight that the
 carriage won't move easily.
 
Finally, I took and machined, and lapped a new gib strip out of a
 1/4 piece of mild steel.  The gib should be machined so that you don't
 need to use the adjustment screws.  Measure how much your carriage
 extends above, or below the bottom edge of the ways, and machine the gib
 accordingly.  Brass, would be a ideal material, but pretty much any
 metal will work.

Carriage under bed flange gibs aren't a huge problem, yet...

This is the cross slider gib, under the 3 adjustment screws on the right 
side of the slider.  Its a POC, with machining marks from an extremely worn 
to the point of galling the surface cutting tool on every face but the 
actual contact face I have flattened on a surface plate, and every angle on 
it seems totally unrelated to reality.  The whole right side of the slider 
can be tipped up about 20 thou, rocking the gib on the points of the 
adjusting screws with perhaps 50 lbs of lift.  No trouble at all to stick 
my pocket knife blade under it and watch it move on a dial indicator.  And 
this is with all 3 screws set in to finger tight  locked.  I have to use a 
dead blow hammer to move it, but I can still lift it.  I can pick up the 
whole assembly and see daylight both under it, and over it, all the way 
thru from front to back, 40 to 50 thousandths of daylight.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 22:42:48 dave did opine:

 On Wed, 2012-08-22 at 19:42 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
  On Wednesday 22 August 2012 19:34:31 Ralph Stirling did opine:
   Given that gcadcam shows no signs of activity since 2008, it doesn't
   seem too surprising that it is difficult to compile with current
   libraries.
   
   Has anybody played with freecad?  It seems to be under very active
   development and looks like somebody plans to work on cam for it.
  
  I'm on the about 2 builds a week development channel of it, and I
  believe it holds considerable promise.  My problem is the docs all
  assume you are on a first name basis with a commercial cad program,
  which of course I am not, so the learning curve is fairly vertical
  for me.  Teaching old dogs new tricks comes to mind.  :-)
  
  Freecad is where Dan's Heeks  Faulks are now working, so I would
  assume that quite a bit of heekscnc will eventually be committed. 
  Perhaps it even works now if the correct export format is chosen. 
  But I've not tried it, so that just barely qualifies as a W.A.G.
  
  Cheers, Gene
 
 Don't feel like the Lone Ranger ... the vocabulary is fairly clear to
 someone working in the field but foggy to someone new. Been there, still
 doing that.
 
 Dave

Chuckle, I can grok that 100%.

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] QCad - was Re: Curiosity, is gonna run this, , , cat plumb out of lives yet.

2012-08-22 Thread Gene Heskett
On Wednesday 22 August 2012 22:44:21 Dennis J. Murray did opine:

 Gene:
 
 In answer to your question, NO, I have not found a built version of
 gCNCCAM 4.4.2.  I am running the 4.4.1 version pointed to in the
 Sourceforge page for gCNCCAM.  It IS old, but does what I need it to, so
 I'm not too upset it isn't currently maintained!  Heck, I'm not well
 maintained either ;-(
 
 Good luck in your search!
 Dennis

Thanks Dennis.  As for maintenance, I'm well overdue for my 4 million mile 
checkup too. ;-)

Cheers, Gene
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Re: [Emc-users] Ladder question

2012-08-22 Thread Chris Morley



 
 Hi,
 
 you can give inputs and outputs names with changing symbol name in symbol
 window check link below:
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_symbol_window
 
 after tahat you can display symbols in section display with
 checking/unchecking option display symbols  check link below:
 
 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/ladder/classic_ladder.html#_section_display
 
 
 in section display window you can also name rung.
 

You can also print the ladder sections. I remember it being a bit quirky but 
you can try.
oh actually I tried it with 10.04 and I could make a PDF too...

The symbol names dialog allows comments on components that don't have HAL 
signals.
Other wise the comment tells you the HAL signal connected.
You must add each component you wish to have a symbol name for. I found it 
tedious so
I add a couple, saved and opened the ladder program with an editor and added 
then manually.
I always meant to change it to add them automatically but I guess I didn't

You can add a label and a comment to each rung. The label is used with Jump 
coils IIRC.

If you click the components when not in edit mode you will get info, such as 
the signal connected,
timer times etc. They show in the status bar below the section window.

Chris M
  
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Re: [Emc-users] Re, Re the cat

2012-08-22 Thread Kent A. Reed
On 8/22/2012 10:29 PM, Erik Friesen wrote:
 Is there any way the users list software could combine a slightly changed
 subject line?


Erik:

I'm not sure what you are asking.

What users-list software are you referring to?

I suspect you are actually asking about details in the headers of the 
messages that form this thread.

According to RFC 2822 (and others), a reply should contain a Reference: 
header and/or an In-reply-to: header containing message-id(s) of 
previous messages in the thread. Mail agents (e.g., Thunderbird, etc.) 
are supposed to use this message-id, not the subject line, to identify 
message-membership in the thread. With this scheme one can change the 
subject line entirely and still maintain the thread.

Unfortunately, scanning the headers of a number of messages sent to this 
list shows some of us are using mail agents that don't honor this RFC 
requirement and break the threads.

If you are asking something else please ask again.

Regards,
Kent


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