Re: [Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 April 2018 21:22:00 Ed wrote:

> On 04/24/2018 06:53 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > After 6+ months, gun farts has not shipped the magazine spring I
> > need to finish the conversion to a smaller cartridge in old meat in
> > the pot.
> >
> > This is a flat leaf, bent in the shape of a W. S/B nominally 1/2 to
> > 5/8" wide, folded at 3 places around a 3/32 drill shank. What spec
> > of steel do I need? and how do I heat treat it to put the spring
> > into it once its been shaped/bent properly?
> >
> > Blued steel carton strapping is about what it should look like and
> > its about the right thickness, but that stuff is pretty soft, and I
> > doubt it could be hardened enough to make this.
> >
> > Thanks all.
>
> McMaster Carr has what you need. Blue temper spring steel. Now I gotta
> find the time to do mine.
>
>
> What size you need? I have 25 ft of .016 x 1/2 1095 blue temper. Can
> mail some.
>
>
> Ed.
>
I might take you up on that if I can't find where I squirreled away about 
20 feet of strapping. But I also just ordered another lookalike from gun 
farts, so we'll see if that fits first.

Thanks to everyone that replied. Good pointers all.>
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Re: [Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 April 2018 20:41:43 Kirk Wallace wrote:

> On 04/24/2018 04:53 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > Greetings all;
> >
> > After 6+ months, gun farts has not shipped the magazine spring I
> > need to finish the conversion to a smaller cartridge in old meat in
> > the pot.
> >
> > This is a flat leaf, bent in the shape of a W. S/B nominally 1/2 to
> > 5/8" wide, folded at 3 places around a 3/32 drill shank. What spec
> > of steel do I need? and how do I heat treat it to put the spring
> > into it once its been shaped/bent properly?
> >
> > Blued steel carton strapping is about what it should look like and
> > its about the right thickness, but that stuff is pretty soft, and I
> > doubt it could be hardened enough to make this.
> >
> > Thanks all.
>
> Maybe anneal, bend, harden, and blue temper a mainspring?:
> > https://timesavers.com/c-325718-clock-repair-replacement-parts-mains
> >prings-arbors-barrels.html
>
> or add carbon to the shipping strapping:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Mp1fNzIT8

This latter seems interesting. I'll need to concoct a furnace for 
starters. With the strapping so thin, it seems to indicate the sealed 
into a tin with charcoal time would be pretty short, no more than 20 
minutes. The bending jig would also seem to be easily made, then it bent 
on the mill with a custom tool I could make.

It'll keep me out of the bars for a month or more I expect. And likely 
generate more questions later. I also ordered another similar one 
(again, but might not be the same one) from gun farts. About $18 
w/shipping. We'll see how if fits before rounding up a bit of strap and 
a furnace kit.

Thanks. 


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Re: [Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[Ed]

On 04/24/2018 06:53 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

After 6+ months, gun farts has not shipped the magazine spring I need to
finish the conversion to a smaller cartridge in old meat in the pot.

This is a flat leaf, bent in the shape of a W. S/B nominally 1/2 to 5/8"
wide, folded at 3 places around a 3/32 drill shank. What spec of steel
do I need? and how do I heat treat it to put the spring into it once its
been shaped/bent properly?

Blued steel carton strapping is about what it should look like and its
about the right thickness, but that stuff is pretty soft, and I doubt it
could be hardened enough to make this.

Thanks all.

McMaster Carr has what you need. Blue temper spring steel. Now I gotta 
find the time to do mine.



What size you need? I have 25 ft of .016 x 1/2 1095 blue temper. Can 
mail some.



Ed.



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Re: [Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[Kirk Wallace]

On 04/24/2018 04:53 PM, Gene Heskett wrote:

Greetings all;

After 6+ months, gun farts has not shipped the magazine spring I need to
finish the conversion to a smaller cartridge in old meat in the pot.

This is a flat leaf, bent in the shape of a W. S/B nominally 1/2 to 5/8"
wide, folded at 3 places around a 3/32 drill shank. What spec of steel
do I need? and how do I heat treat it to put the spring into it once its
been shaped/bent properly?

Blued steel carton strapping is about what it should look like and its
about the right thickness, but that stuff is pretty soft, and I doubt it
could be hardened enough to make this.

Thanks all.



Maybe anneal, bend, harden, and blue temper a mainspring?:

https://timesavers.com/c-325718-clock-repair-replacement-parts-mainsprings-arbors-barrels.html


or add carbon to the shipping strapping:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_Mp1fNzIT8



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Re: [Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[jeremy youngs]

5150 , do you have a kiln ? It will need bent, normalized . Treated then
tempered . It's the temper that will be most difficult . I would think
somewhere between 4-600 degrees at a 2 hour soak, exact temp will be trial
and error , so you should probably make several. A pid controlled melting
pot makes for a very consistent temper , but may be a little warm for your
application. I have made many of these springs for Remington, but we always
outsourced the heat treat.
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[Emc-users] Need to make a W shaped magazine spring

[Gene Heskett]

Greetings all;

After 6+ months, gun farts has not shipped the magazine spring I need to 
finish the conversion to a smaller cartridge in old meat in the pot.

This is a flat leaf, bent in the shape of a W. S/B nominally 1/2 to 5/8" 
wide, folded at 3 places around a 3/32 drill shank. What spec of steel 
do I need? and how do I heat treat it to put the spring into it once its 
been shaped/bent properly?

Blued steel carton strapping is about what it should look like and its 
about the right thickness, but that stuff is pretty soft, and I doubt it 
could be hardened enough to make this.

Thanks all.

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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[jeremy youngs]

Tried 2x more, both through pnc and halrun, same results . Thank you

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 18:28 jeremy youngs  wrote:

> Accept component changes gave no effect. Output of path in halcmd at show
> pins is this
> Component pins:
> Owner type dir value name
> Halcmd:
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[jeremy youngs]

Accept component changes gave no effect. Output of path in halcmd at show
pins is this
Component pins:
Owner type dir value name
Halcmd:
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[andy pugh]

On 24 April 2018 at 23:30, jeremy youngs  wrote:
> Obviously, lying got me a bit farther along. However, after populating
> pins, x,y,z, spindle encoder, x,y,z, spindle pwm , when I continue with the
> forward button it says I forget to designate pwm or stepper signal for
> x,y,z . Everything seems complete and in order. Yet it won't let me
> advance.

There is an "accept component changes" button that might need to be pressed.

Have you tried the command line commands that I suggested to see if
the firmware on the card is close to that in PnCConf?


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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[jeremy youngs]

Obviously, lying got me a bit farther along. However, after populating
pins, x,y,z, spindle encoder, x,y,z, spindle pwm , when I continue with the
forward button it says I forget to designate pwm or stepper signal for
x,y,z . Everything seems complete and in order. Yet it won't let me
advance. Thank you
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[andy pugh]

On 24 April 2018 at 20:59, jeremy youngs  wrote:

>> Dell optiplex 620 2.8 GHz duo core , 4gb ram , running through the
>> motherboard epp as I had seen a couple post you made on the forum about pci
>> boards being sketchy, although I have had no issues running stepper drives
>> with it. It should be noted, I updated this lcnc install 2 months ago and
>> the system has been in use for years as an epp- stepper system.

I suggest lying to PnCConf.

Tell it you have a 7i43. Then edit the INI file to change the board
and driver to 7i90 and hm2_7i90.


You should be able to show that the card works like this:

halrun
loadrt hostmot2
loadrt hm2_7i90 ioaddr=0x378
show pin

then you can quit halcmd

quit

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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[jeremy youngs]

On Tue, Apr 24, 2018, 14:38 Peter C. Wallace  wrote:

> On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, jeremy youngs wrote:
>
> > Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:17:40 +
> > From: jeremy youngs 
> > Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"
> > 
> > To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"  >
> > Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc
>
> Before you change anything on the 7I90,
>
I have no intent at this time to change anything, just to communicate with
it and begin sorting what I need to make it run.

>
> How do you intend to use the 7I90HD?
>
I am intending 3 DC brush servo with generic pwm speed and direction
control. One analog spindle amp at this time. The eventuality is 2 analog
spindle , one as a lathe on my mill bed. I have another epp card as well if
more I/o is necessary, I had read the softdmc manual and was quite
interested in using that to drive the generic hbridge, but apparently it's
a histmot2 function in linuxcnc. This is my first experience with any smart
board interaction so pleas excuse my ignorance. I have read quite a bit of
the lcnc manual and the 7i90 he manual. And I seem to be blind to a set of
step by step directions.i see the 7i90 primary function as handling the
encoder, if hostmot2 allows pid adjustments that would be awesome, although
more to learn.

>
> What host computer are you planning to use?
>
> Dell optiplex 620 2.8 GHz duo core , 4gb ram , running through the
> motherboard epp as I had seen a couple post you made on the forum about pci
> boards being sketchy, although I have had no issues running stepper drives
> with it. It should be noted, I updated this lcnc install 2 months ago and
> the system has been in use for years as an epp- stepper system.
>

Thank you for your time , Peter and Gene

>
> > 7i90 zip extracted to public folder. Invocation of mesaflash says no
> > program to open it . Tried the mesaflash icon and the mesaflash 3 icon.
> How
> > do I know what dependencies are required to run this. V 2.7 11? Installed
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[Gene Heskett]

On Tuesday 24 April 2018 15:17:40 jeremy youngs wrote:

> 7i90 zip extracted to public folder. Invocation of mesaflash says no
> program to open it . Tried the mesaflash icon and the mesaflash 3
> icon.

I guess I'm old fashioned. I cd to the directory its in and type 
"sudo ./mesaflash"enter.

Except on this machine I put a copy in /usr/bin so its in my $PATH.

So a "sudo mesaflash --help"

looks like this:
Word wrap off!
gene@coyote:~/Public$ sudo mesaflash --help
Syntax:
  mesaflash --device device_name [options]
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --write filename
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --verify filename
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --program filename
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --readhmid
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --reload | --reset
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --sserial
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --rpo address
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --wpo address=value
  mesaflash --device device_name [options] --set ip=n.n.n.n
  mesaflash --info file_name
  mesaflash --help

Options:
  --device  select active device name. If no command is given it will 
detect board with given name and print info about it.
  --addr 
  select  for looking for  (network C mask for 
ethernet boards, serial port for USB boards)
  --addr_hi set the high register address for the EPP interface
  --epp use EPP interface to connect to board, only for boards with 
multiply intefaces (7i43, 7i90, 7i64)
  --usb use USB interface to connect to board, only for boards with 
multiply intefaces (7i43, 7i90, 7i64)
  --spi use SPI interface to connect to board, only for boards with 
multiply intefaces (7i43, 7i90, 7i64)
  --serial  use serial interface to connect to board, only for boards with 
multiply intefaces (7i43, 7i90, 7i64)
  --fallbackuse the fallback area of the EEPROM while executing commands
  --recover access board using PCI bridge GPIO (currently only 6I25)
  --xml format output from 'readhmid' command into XML
  --verbose print detailed information while running commands

Commands:
  --write   writes a standard bitfile 'filename' configuration to the 
userarea of the EEPROM (IMPORTANT! 'filename' must be VALID 
FPGA configuration file)
  --verify  verifies the EEPROM configuration against the bitfile 'filename'
  --program writes a standard bitfile 'filename' configuration to the FPGA 
(IMPORTANT! 'filename' must be VALID FPGA configuration 
file)
  --readhmidprint hostmot2 configuration in PIN file format
  --reload  do full FPGA reload from flash (only ethernet and pci boards)
  --reset   do full firmware reset (only ethernet boards)
  --sserial print full information about all sserial remote boards
  --rpo read hostmot2 variable directly at 'address'
  --wpo write hostmot2 variable directly at 'address' with 'value'
  --set set board IP address in eeprom to n.n.n.n (only ethernet boards)
  --infoprint info about configuration in 'file_name'
  --helpprint this help message
gene@coyote:~/Public$   
 

Which I normally run from the configs dir of where the 7i90hd.zip
was unpacked, that way I don't have to give it the full path to the file 
I want to install.
> How do I know what dependencies are required to run this. V 2.7 
> 11? Installed

If you install the iso from linuxcnc.org, its dependencies have been 
installed already, so its ready to configure and do a trial run after 
this has been accomplished.

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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

[Peter C. Wallace]

On Tue, 24 Apr 2018, jeremy youngs wrote:


Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 19:17:40 +
From: jeremy youngs 
Reply-To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)"

To: "Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC)" 
Subject: Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc


Before you change anything on the 7I90,

How do you intend to use the 7I90HD?

What host computer are you planning to use?




7i90 zip extracted to public folder. Invocation of mesaflash says no
program to open it . Tried the mesaflash icon and the mesaflash 3 icon. How
do I know what dependencies are required to run this. V 2.7 11? Installed
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Re: [Emc-users] 7i90 not listed in pnc

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7i90 zip extracted to public folder. Invocation of mesaflash says no
program to open it . Tried the mesaflash icon and the mesaflash 3 icon. How
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