Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
On 5/10/24 19:44, Chris Albertson wrote: On May 10, 2024, at 9:49 AM, gene heskett wrote: On 5/10/24 11:25, Chris Albertson wrote: Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just works. Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. All good advice. Choose your favorite. The one I miss is the one that can take an arm64 install, with all the additions to do a job, and back it up over the network to a file that only the total used on that arm64 system. one that can then be copied to a fresh u-sd card of much greater capacity, and which will then on first boot, expand the partitions to use all of the new u-sd cards capacity. I've been using 64G cards and had had no losses. 16G cards are big enough but have a lifetime of around a year. I have some 128G I'll use for the next install. Raspberry Pi5 can use PCIe storage, no SD card is needed. Eventually, we will all stop using SD cards for system drives. I keep wanting to reconfigure my Pi4 to boot off the network with no SD card installed. The Pi3’s networking was too slow for this and the Pi5 does not need it. I might never get around to it. So what I do today is a compromise. I install Linux from an image file. I never store my data on the SD card. data is NFS mounted from the network server. This also means the data is always available on my other computers. I never have to move it. and if an SD card dies, nothing is lost. I never have to backup an SD card. Interesting concept. When I get time to concentrate on it. I'll probably pester you for details. Thanks Chris. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
On 5/10/24 14:27, Linden wrote: I have used clonezilla and DD for both back up and restore. Some where I have an interactive bash scripted I wrote for using DD. In the past when going from a small drive to a new larger drive the most reliable way I found was to use DD to clone and move the data and the use gparted to expand the partitions. Not the most elegant solution but has worked for me in the past. Just a thought might be worth looking at. I've considered that myself, but it feels sorta kludgy to me. But done in that sequence it should work. I'm in the middle of a different $$project ATM so it will be at least a month before I get to that. Thanks. On May 10, 2024 9:49:31 a.m. PDT, gene heskett wrote: On 5/10/24 11:25, Chris Albertson wrote: Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just works. Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. All good advice. Choose your favorite. The one I miss is the one that can take an arm64 install, with all the additions to do a job, and back it up over the network to a file that only the total used on that arm64 system. one that can then be copied to a fresh u-sd card of much greater capacity, and which will then on first boot, expand the partitions to use all of the new u-sd cards capacity. I've been using 64G cards and had had no losses. 16G cards are big enough but have a lifetime of around a year. I have some 128G I'll use for the next install. The theory is, the more surplus capacity the card has, the better the cards own software can maintain it. Power usage is about 25 watts total for the pi and nonitor when the lathe is powered down, so that rpi4 is never turned off, it even has a small ups that holds it up well while the kohler 20kw is starting, a black time of around 8 seconds. So I'm looking for a dd like command that will do that over my local network. cd / && sudo du -h says there is 6.2G in actual use. But there is a 256G buildbot drive not currently mounted but about 70% full, so that total would be considerably more. So what utility can make me a bootable image thats only 6.5G that I can store here, dd to a new card that will boot that pi and expand the file system? And come up capable of running linuxcnc with all the stuff I've written in the last decade. That is the $64 question. That seems like the ideal backup system for all the architectures here. And 1, 2T SSD could hold it all. On May 10, 2024, at 4:03 AM, gene heskett wrote: On 5/10/24 06:11, andrew beck wrote: hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew rsync can do that but please read the man page carefully. It can bite you just as easily as it can help you. I use it, but will not call myself an expert. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
> On May 10, 2024, at 9:49 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > On 5/10/24 11:25, Chris Albertson wrote: >> Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to >> copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a >> network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. >> Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two >> letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just >> works.Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in >> long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. > > All good advice. Choose your favorite. The one I miss is the one that can > take an arm64 install, with all the additions to do a job, and back it up > over the network to a file that only the total used on that arm64 system. one > that can then be copied to a fresh u-sd card of much greater capacity, and > which will then on first boot, expand the partitions to use all of the new > u-sd cards capacity. I've been using 64G cards and had had no losses. 16G > cards are big enough but have a lifetime of around a year. I have some 128G > I'll use for the next install. Raspberry Pi5 can use PCIe storage, no SD card is needed. Eventually, we will all stop using SD cards for system drives. I keep wanting to reconfigure my Pi4 to boot off the network with no SD card installed. The Pi3’s networking was too slow for this and the Pi5 does not need it. I might never get around to it. So what I do today is a compromise. I install Linux from an image file. I never store my data on the SD card. data is NFS mounted from the network server. This also means the data is always available on my other computers. I never have to move it. and if an SD card dies, nothing is lost. I never have to backup an SD card. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
I have used clonezilla and DD for both back up and restore. Some where I have an interactive bash scripted I wrote for using DD. In the past when going from a small drive to a new larger drive the most reliable way I found was to use DD to clone and move the data and the use gparted to expand the partitions. Not the most elegant solution but has worked for me in the past. Just a thought might be worth looking at. On May 10, 2024 9:49:31 a.m. PDT, gene heskett wrote: >On 5/10/24 11:25, Chris Albertson wrote: >> Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to >> copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a >> network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. >> >> Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two >> letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just >> works.Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in >> long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. > >All good advice. Choose your favorite. The one I miss is the one that can >take an arm64 install, with all the additions to do a job, and back it up over >the network to a file that only the total used on that arm64 system. one that >can then be copied to a fresh u-sd card of much greater capacity, and which >will then on first boot, expand the partitions to use all of the new u-sd >cards capacity. I've been using 64G cards and had had no losses. 16G cards are >big enough but have a lifetime of around a year. I have some 128G I'll use for >the next install. > >The theory is, the more surplus capacity the card has, the better the cards >own software can maintain it. Power usage is about 25 watts total for the pi >and nonitor when the lathe is powered down, so that rpi4 is never turned off, >it even has a small ups that holds it up well while the kohler 20kw is >starting, a black time of around 8 seconds. >So I'm looking for a dd like command that will do that over my local network. >cd / && sudo du -h says there is 6.2G in actual use. But there is a 256G >buildbot drive not currently mounted but about 70% full, so that total would >be considerably more. > >So what utility can make me a bootable image thats only 6.5G that I can store >here, dd to a new card that will boot that pi and expand the file system? And >come up capable of running linuxcnc with all the stuff I've written in the >last decade. That is the $64 question. That seems like the ideal backup >system for all the architectures here. And 1, 2T SSD could hold it all. > >>> On May 10, 2024, at 4:03 AM, gene heskett wrote: >>> >>> On 5/10/24 06:11, andrew beck wrote: hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew >>> rsync can do that but please read the man page carefully. It can bite you >>> just as easily as it can help you. I use it, but will not call myself an >>> expert. >>> >>> Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. >>> -- >>> "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: >>> soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >>> -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) >>> If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. >>> - Louis D. Brandeis >>> >>> >>> >>> ___ >>> Emc-users mailing list >>> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users >> >> >> >> ___ >> Emc-users mailing list >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > >Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. >-- >"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." >-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) >If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > > > >___ >Emc-users mailing list >Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net >https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
On 5/10/24 11:25, Chris Albertson wrote: Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just works. Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. All good advice. Choose your favorite. The one I miss is the one that can take an arm64 install, with all the additions to do a job, and back it up over the network to a file that only the total used on that arm64 system. one that can then be copied to a fresh u-sd card of much greater capacity, and which will then on first boot, expand the partitions to use all of the new u-sd cards capacity. I've been using 64G cards and had had no losses. 16G cards are big enough but have a lifetime of around a year. I have some 128G I'll use for the next install. The theory is, the more surplus capacity the card has, the better the cards own software can maintain it. Power usage is about 25 watts total for the pi and nonitor when the lathe is powered down, so that rpi4 is never turned off, it even has a small ups that holds it up well while the kohler 20kw is starting, a black time of around 8 seconds. So I'm looking for a dd like command that will do that over my local network. cd / && sudo du -h says there is 6.2G in actual use. But there is a 256G buildbot drive not currently mounted but about 70% full, so that total would be considerably more. So what utility can make me a bootable image thats only 6.5G that I can store here, dd to a new card that will boot that pi and expand the file system? And come up capable of running linuxcnc with all the stuff I've written in the last decade. That is the $64 question. That seems like the ideal backup system for all the architectures here. And 1, 2T SSD could hold it all. On May 10, 2024, at 4:03 AM, gene heskett wrote: On 5/10/24 06:11, andrew beck wrote: hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew rsync can do that but please read the man page carefully. It can bite you just as easily as it can help you. I use it, but will not call myself an expert. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
Rsync will copy data at the file system level.I think the OP wants to copy the partition tables and boot sector.But rsync can copy across a network and is a decent way to make a backup of your data. Clonzilla loks like it can work. I’ve always used “dd” because it is a two letter command and very easy to rember the exact spelling, and it just works. Clonzilla might be better for people who find it hard to type in long complex commands like “dd” and prefer a menu-based system. > On May 10, 2024, at 4:03 AM, gene heskett wrote: > > On 5/10/24 06:11, andrew beck wrote: >> hey everyone >> a bit off topic here >> i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a >> identical laptop for a backup >> this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc >> anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i >> have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it >> cheers >> andrew > rsync can do that but please read the man page carefully. It can bite you > just as easily as it can help you. I use it, but will not call myself an > expert. > > Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. > -- > "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: > soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." > -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) > If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. > - Louis D. Brandeis > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
I assume the laptop runs Linux.If so then you’d use “dd” to clone the disk drive. “dd” is installed on every Linux system I’ve ever seem. So you already have it. This assumes you are copying it to an identical drive. The trouble is that you can not have booted from the drive you are copying from because the OS will be writing to that drive as it is being copied. So what you do is boot off the USB drive or if it is an older computer off the CDROM. This way my assumption that you are running Linux is true because you would use a Ubuntu install image on the USB stick Both drives need to be connected to the computer, the second one can be placed in a USB enclosure Get to the command line and type dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb SDA and SDB are place holders for the real names of the two drives, likely your drives have different names. Do not swap the names of the drive or you will copy the empty drive over you data. make a backup of you data first, then veriify you can read the backup, then clone the disk. Rea the dd man page. Remember that “if" is “input file” or “of” is “output file" For more info read the dd man page or Google “clone drive using dd” All that said “cloning” the drive is not very usfull. Betther to just backup the data and when the disk dies replace it with a better one (bigger, faster) reinstall the OS and then restore your data. The clone will qickly become obsolite as you make changed and update software, best to just do a regular, noroaml backup.My computers mostly have a continous backup runnig that copies changes in real time so I loose at most an hour’s work > On May 10, 2024, at 2:10 AM, andrew beck wrote: > > hey everyone > > a bit off topic here > > i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a > identical laptop for a backup > > this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc > > anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i > have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it > > cheers > > andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
I'll 3rd Clonezilla. I also use it quite a bit at work, for backing up and restoration of hard drives for machines, (mostly Windows machines, but it works on Linux as well.) Todd Zuercher P. Graham Dunn Inc. 630 Henry Street Dalton, Ohio 44618 Phone: (330)828-2105ext. 2031 -Original Message- From: Sam Sokolik Sent: Friday, May 10, 2024 6:50 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive [EXTERNAL EMAIL] Be sure links are safe. 2nd clonezilla.. use it all the time at work. On Fri, May 10, 2024, 5:42 AM Ed wrote: > On 5/10/24 4:10 AM, andrew beck wrote: > > hey everyone > > > > a bit off topic here > > > > i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for > > a identical laptop for a backup > > > > this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming > > drawing > etc > > > > anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk > > cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is > > a expert on it > > > > cheers > > > > andrew > > Not an expert. > > Clonezilla. > > The computer that ran my CHNC lathe went down but the drive was OK. > Used Clonezilla and transferred from a PATA drive to a SATA on a newer > computer and was back on the air in about 2 hrs total. > > > Ed. > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://list/ > s.sourceforge.net%2Flists%2Flistinfo%2Femc-users=05%7C02%7Ctoddz% > 40pgrahamdunn.com%7C5b7b68c5c80745f1683b08dc70df26bf%7C5758544c573f47c > ebee96c3e0806fb43%7C0%7C0%7C638509350948595383%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d > 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C > 0%7C%7C%7C=jFUoKK1NxJ0aZqNC%2FmKsy8%2BPTVysmPibAPUwPd%2FbNKE%3D& > reserved=0 > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
On 5/10/24 06:11, andrew beck wrote: hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew rsync can do that but please read the man page carefully. It can bite you just as easily as it can help you. I use it, but will not call myself an expert. Cheers, Gene Heskett, CET. -- "There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order." -Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940) If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable. - Louis D. Brandeis ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
2nd clonezilla.. use it all the time at work. On Fri, May 10, 2024, 5:42 AM Ed wrote: > On 5/10/24 4:10 AM, andrew beck wrote: > > hey everyone > > > > a bit off topic here > > > > i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a > > identical laptop for a backup > > > > this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing > etc > > > > anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i > > have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it > > > > cheers > > > > andrew > > Not an expert. > > Clonezilla. > > The computer that ran my CHNC lathe went down but the drive was OK. Used > Clonezilla and transferred from a PATA drive to a SATA on a newer > computer and was back on the air in about 2 hrs total. > > > Ed. > > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive
On 5/10/24 4:10 AM, andrew beck wrote: hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew Not an expert. Clonezilla. The computer that ran my CHNC lathe went down but the drive was OK. Used Clonezilla and transferred from a PATA drive to a SATA on a newer computer and was back on the air in about 2 hrs total. Ed. ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] cloning hard drive
hey everyone a bit off topic here i have my main laptop that i want to clone the hard drive on it for a identical laptop for a backup this is used for running the linuxcnc machines and programming drawing etc anyway just want to know what software people prefer for disk cloning i have never done it before and i'm sure someone on here is a expert on it cheers andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
> Hi guys just getting back with a report of what I did to try clone my hard > drive. > > I tried to clone it in linuxcnc first as described and failed. then tried > clone zilla, then tried a few other programs to decrease the size. Do not think cloning is a good idea since it is an exact binary copy, you probably need to copy the file or as you did below keep configuration files and reinstall. > using G parted I reduced the size of the disc down to 40 gb and then used > clone zilla to zone it to the SSD. both programs seemed to work fine. But > I couldn't boot from that point. > > at that point I just re wiped the SSD with my linuxcnc boot stick and gave > up. took me 30 mins to download everything I was missing and I was away > making parts later that afternoon. > > thanks everyone for taking time to help me out. I learnt a lot of stuff > but never actually succeeded. and after a while I decided it was a waste > of time anyway. I could just keep my config files and re install. The > whole reason I was trying to clone was then I would keep the probe basic > gui install files.. > > regards > > Andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
haha. yes that install was only 3 months old anyway. running the latest 2.8 iso. I am using a custom mint iso loaded with qt5 and linuxcnc 2.8 it is awesome. and I can just boot anytime from my usb rather than upgrading everytime from 2.7 regards Andrew On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 11:29 AM Jon Elson wrote: > On 05/01/2020 05:17 PM, andrew beck wrote: > > at that point I just re wiped the SSD with my linuxcnc boot stick and > gave > > up. took me 30 mins to download everything I was missing and I was away > > making parts later that afternoon. > > > Well, that way you get a new version with some bug fixes and > new features, too! > > Generally, most configs are mostly upward compatible, > sometimes needing a conversion > script to make the changes. > > Jon > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 05/01/2020 05:17 PM, andrew beck wrote: at that point I just re wiped the SSD with my linuxcnc boot stick and gave up. took me 30 mins to download everything I was missing and I was away making parts later that afternoon. Well, that way you get a new version with some bug fixes and new features, too! Generally, most configs are mostly upward compatible, sometimes needing a conversion script to make the changes. Jon ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
Hi guys just getting back with a report of what I did to try clone my hard drive. I tried to clone it in linuxcnc first as described and failed. then tried clone zilla, then tried a few other programs to decrease the size. using G parted I reduced the size of the disc down to 40 gb and then used clone zilla to zone it to the SSD. both programs seemed to work fine. But I couldn't boot from that point. at that point I just re wiped the SSD with my linuxcnc boot stick and gave up. took me 30 mins to download everything I was missing and I was away making parts later that afternoon. thanks everyone for taking time to help me out. I learnt a lot of stuff but never actually succeeded. and after a while I decided it was a waste of time anyway. I could just keep my config files and re install. The whole reason I was trying to clone was then I would keep the probe basic gui install files.. regards Andrew On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 8:34 AM Chris Albertson wrote: > All the advice to use "dd" is OK. But it will spend hours copying many > gigabytes of blank areas of the disk.I bet there is only a few > megabytes of data you really need. > > The simple way is to make a bootable disk or SD card (or better an SSD) > from scratch. Just the same way everyone installs from scratch. Then > boot that drive, mount the old disk and copy those files you need across. > This is MUCH faster. Buy a cheap USB SSD, it is much faster and more > reliable than an SD card. Small ones are realy cheap now. > > But BEFORE you do anything at all BACKUP the important data off the failing > drive. Do this twice then verify you can read the backups then place the > backup someplace out of reach. No need to backup data you can download > from the Internet. Only backup the files you made yourself. > > Then think about how to automate the backup so you never have to worry > about losing data. Even SSDs can fail. > > Now that you have a safe backup make the new boot drive. I would not > "clone" the old drive. > > On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:25 PM andrew beck > wrote: > > > Hey guys. > > > > Just a quick question here > > > > I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive > > on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > > > > I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and > > other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > > > > I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will > work > > on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > > drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > > > > anyway some help would be appreciated. > > > > > > regards > > > > Andrew > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > -- > > Chris Albertson > Redondo Beach, California > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
All the advice to use "dd" is OK. But it will spend hours copying many gigabytes of blank areas of the disk.I bet there is only a few megabytes of data you really need. The simple way is to make a bootable disk or SD card (or better an SSD) from scratch. Just the same way everyone installs from scratch. Then boot that drive, mount the old disk and copy those files you need across. This is MUCH faster. Buy a cheap USB SSD, it is much faster and more reliable than an SD card. Small ones are realy cheap now. But BEFORE you do anything at all BACKUP the important data off the failing drive. Do this twice then verify you can read the backups then place the backup someplace out of reach. No need to backup data you can download from the Internet. Only backup the files you made yourself. Then think about how to automate the backup so you never have to worry about losing data. Even SSDs can fail. Now that you have a safe backup make the new boot drive. I would not "clone" the old drive. On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 7:25 PM andrew beck wrote: > Hey guys. > > Just a quick question here > > I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive > on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > > I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and > other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > > I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work > on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > > anyway some help would be appreciated. > > > regards > > Andrew > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > -- Chris Albertson Redondo Beach, California ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 04/23/2020 05:43 PM, andrew beck wrote: hey jon my old hard drive is 1000 gb the new SSD is 120 gb So I definitely need to shrink the iso. But the actual data on the old hard drive is probably only about 3 gb OK, step one is use fdisk to see the partition arrangement on the old drive. Generally, the command would be : sudo fdisk /dev/sda (answer the password question) p and it will list out the partitions. Some older Linux systems had a small boot partition first, then an extended partition, and then the main Linux partition and a swap partition. Write down or print the report. Now, with the new drive set up on the same system, or on a usb hard drive dock, find out what the drive name is and then copy the bootloader to the new drive. Assuming the new drive is /dev/sdb: sudo d|d if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb bs=512 count=1| This will copy the partition table from the old drive, which is too big, so now use fdisk to remove and correct the partition sizes. In fdisk, the m command lists the commands. d to delete old partitions first. Then n for new, it will ask questions. When you create the main partition (might be sda1 if no boot partition or sda5 if a boot partition) calculate how much space to give it, leaving room for the swap partition. Use type=83 for Linux partitions, 82 for swap. w writes out the partition table, but the machine may need to be rebooted before it knows the partition table has been changed. Run fdisk again to make sure the partition table is as it is supposed to be. If good, continue, otherwise try again. Now, create the file systems. So, assuming just one Linux partition at sdb1, sudo mkfs /dev/sdb1 It will take a few minutes, reporting progress as it goes. now, mount the new file system: sudo mkdir /mnt/disk (creates a place to mount the new file system to in the main file system) sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/disk cp -ra / /mnt/disk (r means recurse into subdirectories, a means preserve timestamps) This will take a while, as it copies all files from old to new drive. When done: sudo umount /mnt/disk This may take a while to buffer out the updates. Now, you have to make the new drive bootable. This is where we get into guru territory. We copied the master boot record, but it doesn't know where the bootloader and kernel are in the new files system. So, we have to redo that. Remove old drive, insert new drive as first drive, connect DVD drive and boot from live DVD. select rescue mode, then do : grub-install /dev/sda update-grub reboot! I hope this works, I have done this a few times and always got it to work with a little effort. Jon ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
hey jon my old hard drive is 1000 gb the new SSD is 120 gb So I definitely need to shrink the iso. But the actual data on the old hard drive is probably only about 3 gb regards Andrew On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:34 PM Jon Elson wrote: > On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: > > Hey guys. > > > > Just a quick question here > > > > I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive > > on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > > > > I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and > > other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > > > > I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will > work > > on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > > drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > > > > > Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new > drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, > then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the > dd command. > > Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two > drives and then > > |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync > > if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with > the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get > these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. > > To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX > and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. > That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, > and which one probably has no partitions set up. > > The above procedure may not be real fast. > > If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to > fill the disk. > > If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. > > > *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** > > You have to create > partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy > all the files with : > > # mkdir /mnt/original > # mkdir /mnt/copy > # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original > # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy > where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the > partition number > # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy > and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the > swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. > > Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the > disk, > the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the > live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. > The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to > go that route. > > Jon > > | > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
I have used clonezilla for years and years. I can't remember a situation that it didn't 'just work' (cloning windows, mac, linux and whatever else..) sam On Thu, Apr 23, 2020 at 3:06 PM Dave Cole wrote: > Look up R-Drive image. It works with Windows and will clone just about > anything. Linux drives are no big deal. > Its not free, but its not expensive either. > I have two USB to IDE/Sata adapters that I used to clone drives. Or you > can use one adapter and save the image from one drive and restore it > onto the other drive in two different sessions. That way you can also > keep a backup of the image on another drive. > > Dave > > On 4/22/2020 10:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: > > Hey guys. > > > > Just a quick question here > > > > I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive > > on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > > > > I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and > > other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > > > > I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will > work > > on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > > drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > > > > anyway some help would be appreciated. > > > > > > regards > > > > Andrew > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
Look up R-Drive image. It works with Windows and will clone just about anything. Linux drives are no big deal. Its not free, but its not expensive either. I have two USB to IDE/Sata adapters that I used to clone drives. Or you can use one adapter and save the image from one drive and restore it onto the other drive in two different sessions. That way you can also keep a backup of the image on another drive. Dave On 4/22/2020 10:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) anyway some help would be appreciated. regards Andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 04/23/2020 12:10 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: Bravo. I'm horrified reading recommendations to use dd for cloning files on storage devices. dd copies fragmented files as is so you are messing new drive for performance issues from the get go. btw: you can "practice" dd with a usb stick or two, if you don't care what's on them. take an empty usb stick, copy some stuff on it, copy that stick with dd to a file, take the other stick, use dd to copy it on the other. USB sticks show up as similar devices in/dev as /dev/sdx where x is some letter. Make sure they (the USB sticks) are not mounted, and do NOT use the other existing device files in /dev, except for the ones that showed up new and represent the USB stick ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
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On 4/23/20 11:10 AM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: On 2020-04-23 07:56, R C wrote: well, you can do it with dd, but the details are tricky at times. You are not just "cloning" a disk, like you used to copy a disk. I drive has multiple things, like an MBR, and partitions and such. Most of the time to just clone a disk, copy it if you will, works, but what one should really do is copy partitions, figure out how big they need to be. And then there's things like layout etc etc. What clonezilla etc do, is use the same stuff, pretty much dd, except they have some "logic" in their software on how why mess with installing that when core utilities and a bit of bash can do the same. For system/Linux people that's easy to say. For others it's like standing at the edge of a cliff and get the advise, well just don't make another step. I don't think i works that way. to copy those partitions, MBR/fat and all that. Some drives don't care about alignment for example, and work not that optimal, others might not work like that. A "fail safe" way to do it is use sync or so. There are different ways to do that though. If you do not want to "hammer" the drive that is failing, you still create an img/iso, mount that and then create a disk by partitioning/formating it, and after that you use the mounted image with sync or so to move the files to your new disk. dd works really well for copying devices, especially if they are the same or very similar, or for copying a device to a file/iso/img or from an "image file" to a CD/DVD or SSD memory. Mostly used for RapsberryPi and such. dd is just a tool, very versatile and powerful, but as with all tools, you need to know the details on how to use it and for what. Bravo. I'm horrified reading recommendations to use dd for cloning files on storage devices. dd copies fragmented files as is so you are messing new drive for performance issues from the get go. The best use for dd is in computer forensics and virtualization environments for the same purpose or "deep troubleshooting" to find out why a VM has issues. I mentioned rsync to be one of the best and most effective utilities for cloning locally or remotely in my experience. One option "--dry-run" allows you to see what will happen without making a big mistake if you are not careful. There is another way to copy/clone files I learned in my Sun OS/Solaris days. Drive 1, /dev/sdb mounted /tmp/disk1 Drive 2, /dev/sdc mounted /tmp/disk2 (cd /tmp/disk1; tar cfp - *) | (cd /tmp/disk2; tar xvf -) * assumes all directories but you can just name a few for the process. tar utility was always on all Unix systems, rsync was not. There is one more utility worth mentioning: cpio You can change file ownership during file copy/clone process which is some times necessary. I miss days when utilities mt and rmt were needed for files manipulation! It's magic to watch tape reels spin one way or the other. No silly G-code needed to spin reels or have the drive suck tape into vacuum chambers ;-) ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
correct BUT if you don't do that you won't have an exact copy, and if you have "so so" sectors, you might not be able to fix that on a "regular" copied drive. Also, some of these copy utilities do not know why something is in a different order. (older copy protection worked like that, part of the trick was to stick a key in a fragmented file, that you read "sparse".. BUT if someone copied that key, the copy process would exactly do what you describe, de-fragment it, and consequently destroy the key. Oh and nothing to be horrified about, just don't write to the old drive, dd for sure doesn' as long as the drive is used in the if. Also, you can mount the drive as root, and work with it as non root and it won't write on it. that's 2 layers right there. If you just want copies of the files and not an exact copy of the drive .. why not just copy all the files/directories you need? On 4/23/20 12:15 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/23/2020 12:10 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: Bravo. I'm horrified reading recommendations to use dd for cloning files on storage devices. dd copies fragmented files as is so you are messing new drive for performance issues from the get go. Yes, this is true. But, if you copy the partitions with cp, rsync or whatever, you get a more efficient file system, but grub will not be able to immediately load the kernel. You then have to re-run grub to link to where the kernel is now placed in the file system. This is doable, but a bit complicated. Jon ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 04/23/2020 12:10 PM, Rafael Skodlar wrote: Bravo. I'm horrified reading recommendations to use dd for cloning files on storage devices. dd copies fragmented files as is so you are messing new drive for performance issues from the get go. Yes, this is true. But, if you copy the partitions with cp, rsync or whatever, you get a more efficient file system, but grub will not be able to immediately load the kernel. You then have to re-run grub to link to where the kernel is now placed in the file system. This is doable, but a bit complicated. Jon ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 2020-04-23 07:56, R C wrote: well, you can do it with dd, but the details are tricky at times. You are not just "cloning" a disk, like you used to copy a disk. I drive has multiple things, like an MBR, and partitions and such. Most of the time to just clone a disk, copy it if you will, works, but what one should really do is copy partitions, figure out how big they need to be. And then there's things like layout etc etc. What clonezilla etc do, is use the same stuff, pretty much dd, except they have some "logic" in their software on how why mess with installing that when core utilities and a bit of bash can do the same. to copy those partitions, MBR/fat and all that. Some drives don't care about alignment for example, and work not that optimal, others might not work like that. A "fail safe" way to do it is use sync or so. There are different ways to do that though. If you do not want to "hammer" the drive that is failing, you still create an img/iso, mount that and then create a disk by partitioning/formating it, and after that you use the mounted image with sync or so to move the files to your new disk. dd works really well for copying devices, especially if they are the same or very similar, or for copying a device to a file/iso/img or from an "image file" to a CD/DVD or SSD memory. Mostly used for RapsberryPi and such. dd is just a tool, very versatile and powerful, but as with all tools, you need to know the details on how to use it and for what. Bravo. I'm horrified reading recommendations to use dd for cloning files on storage devices. dd copies fragmented files as is so you are messing new drive for performance issues from the get go. The best use for dd is in computer forensics and virtualization environments for the same purpose or "deep troubleshooting" to find out why a VM has issues. I mentioned rsync to be one of the best and most effective utilities for cloning locally or remotely in my experience. One option "--dry-run" allows you to see what will happen without making a big mistake if you are not careful. There is another way to copy/clone files I learned in my Sun OS/Solaris days. Drive 1, /dev/sdb mounted /tmp/disk1 Drive 2, /dev/sdc mounted /tmp/disk2 (cd /tmp/disk1; tar cfp - *) | (cd /tmp/disk2; tar xvf -) * assumes all directories but you can just name a few for the process. tar utility was always on all Unix systems, rsync was not. There is one more utility worth mentioning: cpio You can change file ownership during file copy/clone process which is some times necessary. I miss days when utilities mt and rmt were needed for files manipulation! It's magic to watch tape reels spin one way or the other. No silly G-code needed to spin reels or have the drive suck tape into vacuum chambers ;-) -- Rafael Skodlar ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
well, you can do it with dd, but the details are tricky at times. You are not just "cloning" a disk, like you used to copy a disk. I drive has multiple things, like an MBR, and partitions and such. Most of the time to just clone a disk, copy it if you will, works, but what one should really do is copy partitions, figure out how big they need to be. And then there's things like layout etc etc. What clonezilla etc do, is use the same stuff, pretty much dd, except they have some "logic" in their software on how to copy those partitions, MBR/fat and all that. Some drives don't care about alignment for example, and work not that optimal, others might not work like that. A "fail safe" way to do it is use sync or so. There are different ways to do that though. If you do not want to "hammer" the drive that is failing, you still create an img/iso, mount that and then create a disk by partitioning/formating it, and after that you use the mounted image with sync or so to move the files to your new disk. dd works really well for copying devices, especially if they are the same or very similar, or for copying a device to a file/iso/img dd is just a tool, very versatile and powerful, but as with all tools, you need to know the details on how to use it and for what. On 4/23/20 1:26 AM, Glenn Edwards wrote: I posed this same request to the group a couple weeks back. I was going to wait until I was successful with two clones before I reported my results, but here is what I tried and what worked. All my problems with cloning arose from making a bootable HD. dd failed to make a bootable drive for me and so did clonezilla, at first. Finally I made the target drive bootable by using a LiveCD to install Ubuntu. Then I used clonezilla to clone and went into expert mode to instruct it to stay away from the boot partition. That finally worked for me and I will try it on another drive this weekend. Also, there are two versions of Clonezilla, for old and new hardware, so make sure you pick the right one. BTW, all the advice about the target drive being larger than the source: believe it. -- -- Glenn On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:59 PM nkp wrote: I use Clonezilla for this. Great-great program! https://clonezilla.org 23.04.2020 06:37, R C пишет: if the new disk is smaller, unlikely nowadays, you might be able to shrink it image you created (if you did), effectively it just truncates the file/iso and leave the empty space out. On 4/22/20 9:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives and then |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, and which one probably has no partitions set up. The above procedure may not be real fast. If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to fill the disk. If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** You have to create partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy all the files with : # mkdir /mnt/original # mkdir /mnt/copy # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the partition number # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the disk, the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to go that route. Jon | ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
I use Macrium Reflect on Windows. It backups everything, windows, Linux, boot partitions etc and can even restore to a smaller drive. Been using it for years and works very well. Worth having a PC in the background just for this. Cheers Wallace ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
Or download the System Rescue CD, boot it, launch the GUI (how to do that is on the screen, just type startx then hit enter) and use the GUI version of GPartEd (GNU Partition Editor). The drive you clone to still has to be exactly the same size or larger because it can't simultaneously clone and resize on the fly like most Windows partition tools can. To clone to a smaller drive in Linux you first have to resize the origin drive's partition down so it'll fit the destination drive. That can be an iffy thing if the origin drive is failing or must be preserved for forensic/evidence purposes. On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 9:33:59 PM MDT, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: > Hey guys. > > Just a quick question here > > I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive > on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > > I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and > other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > > I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work > on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > > Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives and then |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, and which one probably has no partitions set up. The above procedure may not be real fast. If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to fill the disk. If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** You have to create partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy all the files with : # mkdir /mnt/original # mkdir /mnt/copy # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the partition number # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the disk, the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to go that route. Jon ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
For Linux the tool to use is dd in a terminal window. Google how to clone disk with linux dd On Windows there's the free AOMEI Partition Assistant, or their free Backupper. I know Partition Assistant can copy non-Windows partitions, and under the advanced settings it has a box to check for adjusting alignment for SSD. Another one is EaseUS Partition Master, which has a free version. On Wednesday, April 22, 2020, 8:25:54 PM MDT, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) anyway some help would be appreciated. regards Andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
I posed this same request to the group a couple weeks back. I was going to wait until I was successful with two clones before I reported my results, but here is what I tried and what worked. All my problems with cloning arose from making a bootable HD. dd failed to make a bootable drive for me and so did clonezilla, at first. Finally I made the target drive bootable by using a LiveCD to install Ubuntu. Then I used clonezilla to clone and went into expert mode to instruct it to stay away from the boot partition. That finally worked for me and I will try it on another drive this weekend. Also, there are two versions of Clonezilla, for old and new hardware, so make sure you pick the right one. BTW, all the advice about the target drive being larger than the source: believe it. -- -- Glenn On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 8:59 PM nkp wrote: > I use Clonezilla for this. > Great-great program! > https://clonezilla.org > > > 23.04.2020 06:37, R C пишет: > > if the new disk is smaller, unlikely nowadays, you might be able to > > shrink it image you created (if you did), effectively > > > > it just truncates the file/iso and leave the empty space out. > > > > > > > > On 4/22/20 9:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: > >> On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: > >>> Hey guys. > >>> > >>> Just a quick question here > >>> > >>> I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard > >>> drive > >>> on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. > >>> > >>> I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui > >>> and > >>> other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. > >>> > >>> I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process > >>> will work > >>> on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the > >>> drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) > >>> > >>> > >> Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at > >> least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an > >> absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. > >> > >> Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives > >> and then > >> > >> |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync > >> > >> if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with > >> the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get > >> these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. > >> > >> To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX > >> and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. > >> That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, > >> and which one probably has no partitions set up. > >> > >> The above procedure may not be real fast. > >> > >> If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to > >> fill the disk. > >> > >> If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. > >> > >> > >> *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one > >> *** > >> > >> You have to create > >> partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy > >> all the files with : > >> > >> # mkdir /mnt/original > >> # mkdir /mnt/copy > >> # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original > >> # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy > >>where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the > >> partition number > >> # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy > >> and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the > >> swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. > >> > >> Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on > >> the disk, > >> the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to > >> use the > >> live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things > >> are. > >> The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to > >> go that route. > >> > >> Jon > >> > >> | > >> > >> > >> ___ > >> Emc-users mailing list > >> Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > > > ___ > > Emc-users mailing list > > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > > > > ___ > Emc-users mailing list > Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users > ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
I use Clonezilla for this. Great-great program! https://clonezilla.org 23.04.2020 06:37, R C пишет: if the new disk is smaller, unlikely nowadays, you might be able to shrink it image you created (if you did), effectively it just truncates the file/iso and leave the empty space out. On 4/22/20 9:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives and then |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, and which one probably has no partitions set up. The above procedure may not be real fast. If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to fill the disk. If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** You have to create partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy all the files with : # mkdir /mnt/original # mkdir /mnt/copy # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the partition number # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the disk, the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to go that route. Jon | ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
if the new disk is smaller, unlikely nowadays, you might be able to shrink it image you created (if you did), effectively it just truncates the file/iso and leave the empty space out. On 4/22/20 9:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote: On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives and then |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, and which one probably has no partitions set up. The above procedure may not be real fast. If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to fill the disk. If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** You have to create partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy all the files with : # mkdir /mnt/original # mkdir /mnt/copy # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the partition number # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the disk, the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to go that route. Jon | ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
do you have access to a unix box? because there it's really easy to do. Take the drive you want to "copy", connect it to a inix box and make sure it is not mounted. Look up whatthe device isin, /dev. with most drive it should be something like /dev/sdb or sdc etc. you can see it when you plug it in AND you can actually check it by mounting typically the first partition and check what's on it. with the unmounted drive, let's say it's /dev/sdx you do something like: dd if=/dev/sdx of=/path/to/where/you/want/it/my-old-disk.iso bs=1M and unplug the drive. Now you have a disk image, and you still have your unmodified drive, so you can try the next step until you have it right. Take the new drive, hook it up make sure it is not mounted AND bigger (or at least the same size as your old drive.) Let's say it's /dev/sdy this time around when plugged in. then: dd if=/path/to/where/you/want/it/my-old-disk.iso of=/dev/sdy BS=1M and there it is. If the drive is bigger you are left with unused space, you can either make another partition, or you can expand one of the partitions you put on there. If you create another partion, you'll end up with something that looks like you have another drive, logically, not physically of course. Ron On 4/22/20 8:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) anyway some help would be appreciated. regards Andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
Andrew, On 2020-04-22 19:22, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) anyway some help would be appreciated. regards Andrew Linux comes with all software to manage system in any way needed. There are different scenarios you can use to do what you need. You can start with booting up from a CD or it's image on USB stick if the main drive is not booting up. Otherwise just add second drive and bootup. Find how is second drive recognized: dmesg | less <--- in x-terminal look for lines SCSI, ATA and such to see what the second drive is recognized as. To partition the disk I use fdisk command; see 'man fdisk' for details. Make sure you do not do it on original drive!!! I happen to have two drives and mount the second one like this: /dev/sdb1 1.4T 877G 441G 67% /backup /dev/sdb2 672G 208G 451G 32% /virtual Mount old and new drives and sync files across. For example: /dev/sda is old drive, /dev/sdb is the new one. Let's assume there is only one partition for the files on old drive /dev/sda1 You would make one partition on the second also. However, you need to add a swap partition about 2 to 5 times RAM size to make "Linux happy". Swap can be found this way: swapon -s Filename TypeSizeUsedPriority /dev/sda3 partition 8388604 0 -2 mkdir /mnt/sda1 mkdir /mnt/sdb1 mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1 mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt/sdb1 In case there is more than one data partition you might want to do the same on the second drive. In any case, I would use a separate partition for /home so that work files are in one place separate from the OS itself. When the partitions are mounted you may use rsync to sync files to the new drive partition. Example: rsync -av /mnt/sda1/ /mnt/sdb1 rsync -av /mnt/sda2/ /mnt/sdb2<--- for second partition. and so on. Pay attention to '/' (slash) at the end of source directory to ensure correct way of file sync. rsync is great because you can transfer files across the network to other systems. Read man pages for details man rsync If you want to know how long it takes for task to complete use time rsync -av /mnt/sda1/ /mnt/sdb1 Note, the above commands need to be executed as user root. Alternative is to prepend sudo to the above commands but I prefer becoming root this way: sudo su - and enter password you use for login. That's assuming root does not have special password. I always have one x-terminal tab dedicated to root for sysadmin work. Note that the prompt will change to # at the end. One more thing, if the new drive has a partition on it, very likely, then your OS might automount it during login. You need to unmount it before you use fdisk to delete and create new Linux partitions on it. Check with df -h Good luck, -- Rafael Skodlar ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
On 04/22/2020 09:22 PM, andrew beck wrote: Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) Well, there are two basic procedures. As long as the new drive is at least as large or larger than the old drive, then you can make an absolute clone in a few hours with the dd command. Best to boot off a live dvd, figure out the names of the two drives and then |dd if=/dev/sdX of=/dev/sdY bs=64K conv=noerror,sync if= is the input disk, of= is the output disk. Replace X and Y with the appropriate letters.Make REALLY sure you get these right, or you will end up wiping the old disk. To make sure, you can use fdisk /dev/sdX and then type p to see the partition tables and makes of the drives. That should tell you for sure which one has the linux file system, and which one probably has no partitions set up. The above procedure may not be real fast. If the new drive is larger, you can then expand the Linux file system to fill the disk. If the new disk is smaller, then this won't work. *** ONLY do the following if the new disk is smaller than the old one *** You have to create partitions with fdisk, make the file systems with mkfs and then copy all the files with : # mkdir /mnt/original # mkdir /mnt/copy # mount /dev/sdX# /mnt/original # mount /dev/sdY# /mnt/copy where X is for the original disk, Y is the copy, and # is the partition number # cp -rfa /mnt/original /mnt/copy and repeat this for all partitions (you don't need to copy the swapfile partition. You create that with mkswap. Now, the big issue here is that since files have been moved around on the disk, the grub loader will not know where to find them. So, you have to use the live DVD system to run grub to update the loader to know where things are. The procedure is a bit involved, so I won't detail it unless you need to go that route. Jon | ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] cloning hard drive to new SSD
Hey guys. Just a quick question here I recently heard some funny clanking noises in my old 2nd hand hard drive on my VMC and thought I better change it out and get a SSD in there. I have a bunch of stuff loaded onto the hardrive for probe basic gui and other stuff and would like to clone the drive and keep everything. I can manage a windows cloning I am just not sure if the process will work on a linux system. I am using a crucial brand SSD and can download the drive cloning software (it is rebadged acronis cloning software) anyway some help would be appreciated. regards Andrew ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
