Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread andrew beck
Thanks everyone.

I also messaged yaskawa support and they agree it should be analog control.

Looks like velocity control works on cn1. Pin 5 and 6.and torque control
works on cn1 pin 9 and 10

I'll check out the machine and double check they are using either of those
pins.

But won't get to it until next week as I'm busy on my machines this week
plus a bunch of machining jobs I need to finish

I'll report back here with a update

On Tue, 25 May 2021, 5:37 AM Dmitry Yurtaev,  wrote:

> > > servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104
> >
> > Normally these drives have analog inputs.
> > But I have doubts about the DY104 code, that looks unusual.
> > In the worst case they can have Mechatrolink input which is still OK for
> a
> > LinuxCNC retrofit. Mechatrolink has a USB type connector, does the drive
> > have any?
>
> older mechatrolink drives used honda MR-8 connectors. for SGDB it
> should be at 4CN - blue, 3 rows, 8 pins.
> https://www.redrive.biz/MR-8L-HONDA-Connector-8-pin-Female-p/mr-8l.htm
> later they switched to a USB Type-A.
> but the drive in question is not mechatrolink. SGDB-*N*** are
>
> /dmitry
>
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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread Dmitry Yurtaev
> > servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104
>
> Normally these drives have analog inputs.
> But I have doubts about the DY104 code, that looks unusual.
> In the worst case they can have Mechatrolink input which is still OK for a
> LinuxCNC retrofit. Mechatrolink has a USB type connector, does the drive
> have any?

older mechatrolink drives used honda MR-8 connectors. for SGDB it
should be at 4CN - blue, 3 rows, 8 pins.
https://www.redrive.biz/MR-8L-HONDA-Connector-8-pin-Female-p/mr-8l.htm
later they switched to a USB Type-A.
but the drive in question is not mechatrolink. SGDB-*N*** are

/dmitry


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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread dave engvall

file:///tmp/mozilla_dave0/MTN-696TBC-1.pdf

On 5/24/21 7:12 AM, Andrew wrote:

пн, 24 трав. 2021 о 13:41 andrew beck  пише:


I don't think it has any USB connectors.

I do know that the io controls all go through the plugs on the bottom.  One
for encoder feedback from motor.

One for the input signal.

There are several notes on serial control in all the manuals I have read.
But I know some models do step dir and some do analog.


Here's the solution.
You can use SigmaWin to connect to the drive (3CN connector) and look at
the parameters and find if there's anything related to analog control.
The PC cable pinout is in the SGDB manual.

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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread Andrew
пн, 24 трав. 2021 о 13:41 andrew beck  пише:

> I don't think it has any USB connectors.
>
> I do know that the io controls all go through the plugs on the bottom.  One
> for encoder feedback from motor.
>
> One for the input signal.
>
> There are several notes on serial control in all the manuals I have read.
> But I know some models do step dir and some do analog.
>

Here's the solution.
You can use SigmaWin to connect to the drive (3CN connector) and look at
the parameters and find if there's anything related to analog control.
The PC cable pinout is in the SGDB manual.

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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread Les Newell
Do you have the digital operator module? It's a module with buttons and 
a display that plugs into the drive and allows you to configure it. Look 
at the drives. Hopefully at least one will have a display on it. If you 
don't have one you are going to have trouble. Finding a spare is likely 
to be difficult.


On my Hurco using SGDA drives I ran some experiments and found velocity 
control on the drives was pretty sloppy, with a tendency to oscillate. 
Torque mode worked much better.  LCNC can use either mode but I'd 
recommend torque. As far as LCNC configuration is concerned the only 
real difference is in how you set the PID parameters.


How does your machine home? These drives have limit switch inputs which 
stop the drive operating in one direction. My Hurco uses the limit on 
one end as the home as well. I had to get a bit creative in HAL to get 
that to work.


Les

On 24/05/2021 04:13, andrew beck wrote:

hey everyone

just fixing a large cnc router and need to hack into servos.

I can't work out if the servo drives are able to be controlled with 0-10v

just hoping someone one here has retrofitted similar stuff and has a idea
of where to start.

machine is a A600k machine

servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104

hopefully someone can help

regards

Andrew

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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread andrew beck
I don't think it has any USB connectors.

I do know that the io controls all go through the plugs on the bottom.  One
for encoder feedback from motor.

One for the input signal.

There are several notes on serial control in all the manuals I have read.
But I know some models do step dir and some do analog.

And I'm reading generic manuals

I would love to speak with Bevin from the forum if he is around somewhere.
As I know he has done several of these machines

On Mon, 24 May 2021, 7:56 PM Andrew,  wrote:

> пн, 24 трав. 2021 о 06:16 andrew beck  пише:
>
> > hey everyone
> >
> > just fixing a large cnc router and need to hack into servos.
> >
> > I can't work out if the servo drives are able to be controlled with 0-10v
> >
> > just hoping someone one here has retrofitted similar stuff and has a idea
> > of where to start.
> >
> > machine is a A600k machine
> >
> > servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104
> >
> > Normally these drives have analog inputs.
> But I have doubts about the DY104 code, that looks unusual.
> In the worst case they can have Mechatrolink input which is still OK for a
> LinuxCNC retrofit. Mechatrolink has a USB type connector, does the drive
> have any?
>
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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-24 Thread Andrew
пн, 24 трав. 2021 о 06:16 andrew beck  пише:

> hey everyone
>
> just fixing a large cnc router and need to hack into servos.
>
> I can't work out if the servo drives are able to be controlled with 0-10v
>
> just hoping someone one here has retrofitted similar stuff and has a idea
> of where to start.
>
> machine is a A600k machine
>
> servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104
>
> Normally these drives have analog inputs.
But I have doubts about the DY104 code, that looks unusual.
In the worst case they can have Mechatrolink input which is still OK for a
LinuxCNC retrofit. Mechatrolink has a USB type connector, does the drive
have any?

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Re: [Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-23 Thread Scott Harwell via Emc-users
 Try this link for manual 
https://www.yaskawa.com/delegate/getAttachment?documentId=TSE-S800-16=documents=TSE-S800-16E.pdf
Scott

On Sunday, May 23, 2021, 10:16:31 PM CDT, andrew beck 
 wrote:  
 
 hey everyone

just fixing a large cnc router and need to hack into servos.

I can't work out if the servo drives are able to be controlled with 0-10v

just hoping someone one here has retrofitted similar stuff and has a idea
of where to start.

machine is a A600k machine

servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104

hopefully someone can help

regards

Andrew

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[Emc-users] looking for info on yaskawa servo drive model numbers from morbidelli cnc router

2021-05-23 Thread andrew beck
hey everyone

just fixing a large cnc router and need to hack into servos.

I can't work out if the servo drives are able to be controlled with 0-10v

just hoping someone one here has retrofitted similar stuff and has a idea
of where to start.

machine is a A600k machine

servo drives are SGDB -15VDY104

hopefully someone can help

regards

Andrew

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