Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 12:58 AM, a k pccncmach...@gmail.com wrote: for last 10 years developer put a lot of time to make emc2-linuxcnc to run on ubuntu. now ubuntu gone so all those efforts. for how long Debian will there? single board always will be there. can single board comp. run closed loop- ac-servo motors? can single board comp. use existing hardware -boards- etc? how far in the future linuxcnc on single board computer. (closed loop + servo motor+ use existing board) month or years away? Doesn't look gone to me: http://www.ubuntu.com/ Pretty sure one of the most popular Open Source OS's isn't going to go away any time soon. Ubuntu, BTW, is based on Debian. Mark -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
Aram, LinuxCNC will never run without an OS. Modern single board computers like the BeagleBoneBlack run full OS's like Ubuntu and Debian. LinuxCNC/Machinekit run on top of the OS, along with a real-time extension. The BBB version of LinuxCNC works fine for driving stepper motors, but cannot yet handle closed-loop servo systems very well, as encoder pulse counting is too slow. Eventually there should be Mesa or Pico type hardware add-ons that offload encoder pulse counting to make servo control possible. I have to emphasize that Machinekit is still very bleeding edge, and you would be well advised to stick with x86 motherboards and straight LinuxCNC for another year for your machine projects. -- Ralph From: a k [pccncmach...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:58 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] single board computer for last 10 years developer put a lot of time to make emc2-linuxcnc to run on ubuntu. now ubuntu gone so all those efforts. for how long Debian will there? single board always will be there. can single board comp. run closed loop- ac-servo motors? can single board comp. use existing hardware -boards- etc? how far in the future linuxcnc on single board computer. (closed loop + servo motor+ use existing board) month or years away? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 11/22/2014 08:06 PM, a k wrote: this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure The Beagle Bone runs Machinekit, which is a branch of LinuxCNC. It is a $55 board with everything on it, including Ethernet and USB. There are capes which plug onto it to hold stepper drivers and other I/O stuff. It is often used for 3D printers, but could also run a small mill or router. Since it runs a full Linux implementation, you can run anything you want on it, in addition to the LinuxCNC version that comes with Machinekit. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
i learned about single board computer on local --meetup-- group where enthusiast helping eachother to learn to program small boards ardinary etc and single board computer. i think that major manufacturer of single board computer -texas instrument. technology getting more powerful with every moth/weeks and their cost is good. i think, because price of single board computer is ok than hardware manufacturer for linuxcnc may very well incorporate single board computer with there hardware and offer finish working controller. will it make linuxcnc more robust system for final user/machine shop? aram On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu wrote: Aram, LinuxCNC will never run without an OS. Modern single board computers like the BeagleBoneBlack run full OS's like Ubuntu and Debian. LinuxCNC/Machinekit run on top of the OS, along with a real-time extension. The BBB version of LinuxCNC works fine for driving stepper motors, but cannot yet handle closed-loop servo systems very well, as encoder pulse counting is too slow. Eventually there should be Mesa or Pico type hardware add-ons that offload encoder pulse counting to make servo control possible. I have to emphasize that Machinekit is still very bleeding edge, and you would be well advised to stick with x86 motherboards and straight LinuxCNC for another year for your machine projects. -- Ralph From: a k [pccncmach...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:58 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] single board computer for last 10 years developer put a lot of time to make emc2-linuxcnc to run on ubuntu. now ubuntu gone so all those efforts. for how long Debian will there? single board always will be there. can single board comp. run closed loop- ac-servo motors? can single board comp. use existing hardware -boards- etc? how far in the future linuxcnc on single board computer. (closed loop + servo motor+ use existing board) month or years away? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 11/22/2014 08:06 PM, a k wrote: this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure The Beagle Bone runs Machinekit, which is a branch of LinuxCNC. It is a $55 board with everything on it, including Ethernet and USB. There are capes which plug onto it to hold stepper drivers and other I/O stuff. It is often used for 3D printers, but could also run a small mill or router. Since it runs a full Linux implementation, you can run anything you want on it, in addition to the LinuxCNC version that comes with Machinekit. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
It is very likely that your friends were showing you a BeagleBone or BeagleBoneBlack sbc, which uses a TI processor, running some version of Linux. The ARM processors used on these inexpensive boards are very good for low-power, low-cost applications, but still lag behind the performance possible with the larger x86 or amd64 motherboards. Reliability of fanless, solid-state disk computers should be excellent, regardless of whether they use ARM or traditional processors. -- Ralph From: a k [pccncmach...@gmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 10:36 AM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] single board computer i learned about single board computer on local --meetup-- group where enthusiast helping eachother to learn to program small boards ardinary etc and single board computer. i think that major manufacturer of single board computer -texas instrument. technology getting more powerful with every moth/weeks and their cost is good. i think, because price of single board computer is ok than hardware manufacturer for linuxcnc may very well incorporate single board computer with there hardware and offer finish working controller. will it make linuxcnc more robust system for final user/machine shop? aram On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Ralph Stirling ralph.stirl...@wallawalla.edu wrote: Aram, LinuxCNC will never run without an OS. Modern single board computers like the BeagleBoneBlack run full OS's like Ubuntu and Debian. LinuxCNC/Machinekit run on top of the OS, along with a real-time extension. The BBB version of LinuxCNC works fine for driving stepper motors, but cannot yet handle closed-loop servo systems very well, as encoder pulse counting is too slow. Eventually there should be Mesa or Pico type hardware add-ons that offload encoder pulse counting to make servo control possible. I have to emphasize that Machinekit is still very bleeding edge, and you would be well advised to stick with x86 motherboards and straight LinuxCNC for another year for your machine projects. -- Ralph From: a k [pccncmach...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 9:58 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: Re: [Emc-users] single board computer for last 10 years developer put a lot of time to make emc2-linuxcnc to run on ubuntu. now ubuntu gone so all those efforts. for how long Debian will there? single board always will be there. can single board comp. run closed loop- ac-servo motors? can single board comp. use existing hardware -boards- etc? how far in the future linuxcnc on single board computer. (closed loop + servo motor+ use existing board) month or years away? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 11/22/2014 08:06 PM, a k wrote: this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure The Beagle Bone runs Machinekit, which is a branch of LinuxCNC. It is a $55 board with everything on it, including Ethernet and USB. There are capes which plug onto it to hold stepper drivers and other I/O stuff. It is often used for 3D printers, but could also run a small mill or router. Since it runs a full Linux implementation, you can run anything you want on it, in addition to the LinuxCNC version that comes with Machinekit. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
On Sunday 23 November 2014 20:24:26 Ralph Stirling wrote: It is very likely that your friends were showing you a BeagleBone or BeagleBoneBlack sbc, which uses a TI processor, running some version of Linux. The ARM processors used on these inexpensive boards are very good for low-power, low-cost applications, but still lag behind the performance possible with the larger x86 or amd64 motherboards. Reliability of fanless, solid-state disk computers should be excellent, regardless of whether they use ARM or traditional processors. -- Ralph It really depends on your application. If you want to control a 10.000$ CNC mill then the price of the fan-less computer is comparable low and you are probably better with such a system. For a small 500-1000$ CNC machine a SoC might be better because of the price and size of device. Regards Alexander -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
All new machine tool do not have any fan to cool down processor. They use regular refrigerator unit to cool down whole system. Fan is old and for desktop computer -simple - and it will bring dust and a lot of it in short period of time. Just need a rifrigerator and place single board computer- whole system inside. On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Alexander Rössler mail.aroess...@gmail.com wrote: On Sunday 23 November 2014 20:24:26 Ralph Stirling wrote: It is very likely that your friends were showing you a BeagleBone or BeagleBoneBlack sbc, which uses a TI processor, running some version of Linux. The ARM processors used on these inexpensive boards are very good for low-power, low-cost applications, but still lag behind the performance possible with the larger x86 or amd64 motherboards. Reliability of fanless, solid-state disk computers should be excellent, regardless of whether they use ARM or traditional processors. -- Ralph It really depends on your application. If you want to control a 10.000$ CNC mill then the price of the fan-less computer is comparable low and you are probably better with such a system. For a small 500-1000$ CNC machine a SoC might be better because of the price and size of device. Regards Alexander -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] single board computer
this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure thanks aram -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
Aram, For your purposes of running machine tools with linuxcnc, consider a mini-itx motherboard with an x86 or amd64 processor to be a single-board computer of $100 cost. There are bleeding edge efforts being conducted to run linuxcnc-based software on BeagleBoneBlack single board computers, but those efforts are not to the point that you could set up and run one of your machines with the BBB. -- Ralph From: a k [pccncmach...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 6:06 PM To: Enhanced Machine Controller (EMC) Subject: [Emc-users] single board computer this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure thanks aram -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
On 11/22/2014 08:06 PM, a k wrote: this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure The Beagle Bone runs Machinekit, which is a branch of LinuxCNC. It is a $55 board with everything on it, including Ethernet and USB. There are capes which plug onto it to hold stepper drivers and other I/O stuff. It is often used for 3D printers, but could also run a small mill or router. Since it runs a full Linux implementation, you can run anything you want on it, in addition to the LinuxCNC version that comes with Machinekit. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] single board computer
for last 10 years developer put a lot of time to make emc2-linuxcnc to run on ubuntu. now ubuntu gone so all those efforts. for how long Debian will there? single board always will be there. can single board comp. run closed loop- ac-servo motors? can single board comp. use existing hardware -boards- etc? how far in the future linuxcnc on single board computer. (closed loop + servo motor+ use existing board) month or years away? On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 7:17 PM, Jon Elson el...@pico-systems.com wrote: On 11/22/2014 08:06 PM, a k wrote: this week i learned about of single board computer. and some idea about how to program it how it works. just interesting if it be possible to run linuxcnc on single board computer? i understand that it will only linuxcnc - no internet, no any word processor etc. trade of - loose something to gain something. maybe just buy single board computer with linuxcnc already on it. i think that single board computer cost less than $100., but one knows that it works fo sure The Beagle Bone runs Machinekit, which is a branch of LinuxCNC. It is a $55 board with everything on it, including Ethernet and USB. There are capes which plug onto it to hold stepper drivers and other I/O stuff. It is often used for 3D printers, but could also run a small mill or router. Since it runs a full Linux implementation, you can run anything you want on it, in addition to the LinuxCNC version that comes with Machinekit. Jon -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- Download BIRT iHub F-Type - The Free Enterprise-Grade BIRT Server from Actuate! Instantly Supercharge Your Business Reports and Dashboards with Interactivity, Sharing, Native Excel Exports, App Integration more Get technology previously reserved for billion-dollar corporations, FREE http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=157005751iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
