Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:18:09 -0800 From: dengv...@charter.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:06:54 +0330 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Dave -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Wednesday, November 23, 2011 02:45:44 PM Sam sokolik did opine: You were going to write something, Sam? Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2011 16:18:09 -0800 From: dengv...@charter.net To: emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:06:54 +0330 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Dave -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene Whoever would lie usefully should lie seldom. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Mon, 14 Nov 2011 16:06:54 +0330 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Dave -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
dave wrote: Some years ago a group of emcer's converted a Mazak V5 to emc. Lots of information is available in the wiki, logs, logic, etc but I cannot find an entry on the classicladder code (for tool change), etc. Maybe someone else can help here. Every EMC2 install should have the CL code in the configs/demo_mazak directory, and it appears to have the gear shift, tool magazine, tool change, etc. code in the file demo_mazak.clp As I recall, this machine did not require the XYZ axes to do anything terribly complicated for a tool change. It moved XYZ to the home position, did a spindle orient, and then executed the tool change process. Jon -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
[Emc-users] tool changer question
Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Monday, November 14, 2011 08:06:29 AM Farzin Kamangar did opine: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin Farzin: Subroutine calls are great ways to not have to re-invent the wheel, and since the code executes at many times the speed the machine can move, shrinking the line count in the GCode by orders of magnitude, I don't understand the reticence you have to their use. I have used them to advantage, in one case 90 lines of GCode took about 35 hours to run on my admitted slow toy machine. No tool changes involved in that instance, so I just left it running, lights out. Can you elaborate on why you want to avoid using this valuable programming tool? Cheers, Gene -- There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt (Author) My web page: http://coyoteden.dyndns-free.com:85/gene If God had meant for us to be naked, we would have been born that way. -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
Farzin, an alternate route would be to use an M6 remapped to a o-word procedure, which is now in master. For an example, see http://git.linuxcnc.org/gitweb?p=emc2.git;a=tree;f=configs/sim/remap/manual-toolchange-with-tool-length-switch;h=88bb75a5ddc14e33637975e7095cb5be978ec2aa;hb=0bf76007cb3a11c9218bb2cf03367313d77290a6 . Documentation on remapping is here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/remap/structure.html -Michael Am 14.11.2011 um 13:36 schrieb Farzin Kamangar: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, orient the spindle, open the tool collet, move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. Thanks Farzin -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 16:06 +0330, Farzin Kamangar wrote: ... snip I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? Please let me know if I am not clear enough. ... snip I use HAL comps for my changers. My lathe has a simple one: http://www.wallacecompany.com/cnc_lathe/HNC/emc2/turret.comp because I just need to turn bits on and off at the proper time. My mill comp will be much more complicated but uses the same sort of method of looping through and checking status, reacting, then setting new status. Karl made a comp for his mill: http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/Shizuoka/qdtoolchange.comp I move my carousel with pwmgen and limit3, but so far there is no way to to move any axes other than with the .ini parameters you mentioned before. I am very reluctant to use machine dependent code, such as for a changer, in my g-code files. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
2011/11/14 Farzin Kamangar farzin.kaman...@gmail.com: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? How about using PLC part of EMC2 - ClassicLadder? It seems to me that this would perfectly fit Your intended idea. And it already is in EMC2. I also think that Michael's solution is worth to try - AFAIK exactly this kind of toolchanging procedure was the initial purpose to do that. Viesturs -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
Re: [Emc-users] tool changer question
On Mon, 2011-11-14 at 16:06 +0330, Farzin Kamangar wrote: Hello, dear EMC users; Considering the tool changing process, is there a way to send some movement commands from PLC to CNC? I'm not familiar with PLC's but they should at the very least have pins that can set or clear bits. You can connect these pins to parallel port pins. Different bits can be predetermined commands, positions or movement. If the PLC has Modbus or some sort of serial port, this can be used for non-realtime movements and commands. Modbus is common for connecting VFD's. Search the wiki for Modbus and VFD. I have entered the TOOL_CHANGE_POSITION and TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in the INI file and in the EMCIO section. This is fine and causes the tool go to the tool change position. Now I need to move an axis towards the tool changer, This is a problem. orient the spindle, This most likely can be done with HAL components pwmgen, limit3 and encoder. open the tool collet, Simple parallel port bit pin? move the tool changer carrousel to the old tool position, put the old tool back in its position, move the carrousel to the new tool position, pwmgen, limit3 and encoder again. grab the tool, close the tool collet and go back to the cutting area to continue. I was wondering how these actions could be done without using subroutine calls in the Gcode? ... snip Custom comp or Classic Ladder. -- Kirk Wallace http://www.wallacecompany.com/machine_shop/ http://www.wallacecompany.com/E45/index.html California, USA -- RSA(R) Conference 2012 Save $700 by Nov 18 Register now http://p.sf.net/sfu/rsa-sfdev2dev1 ___ Emc-users mailing list Emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/emc-users
