Re: [Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
On 07/09/2018 23:47, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > so Mr. Brunschwig has done great work in a very > tricky domain. Agreed. :-) -- Mark Rousell ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
Mark Rousell wrote on 09/07/2018 06:24 PM: > I believe that 'PGP Tray' is part of Symantec's PGP email encryption > software. Either that or it's a very old version of the PGP software. I > vaguely seem to recall that PGP Tray was part of PGP Desktop before > Symantec bought it. But that was a very long ago. > > As far as I am aware, up to date PGP from Symantec can handle PGP/MIME > but I would have thought that virtually no one outside of a corporate > environment would be using this nowadays. And you would have thought correctly. Trust me, this guy is WAY outside any corporate environment. Thankfully Enigmail has a "Never" option for PGP/MIME, on a per-recipient basis, so Mr. Brunschwig has done great work in a very tricky domain. -- Patrick Chkoreff ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] Set Owner Trust missing from menu
I wrote: > It still begs the question of why I can't Set Owner Trust on a newly > imported key. I fiddled around some more. This time I SIGNED the key, telling a lie by saying that I had checked it very carefully. Then when I right-clicked on the key the "Set Owner Trust" option appeared under "Sign Key" where it usually appears for all other keys in my key ring. I'll probably try deleting the key and importing it again to see if I can establish a well-worn groove of behavior for newly imported keys. -- Patrick Chkoreff ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
On 07/09/2018 22:58, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > Mark Rousell wrote on 09/07/2018 05:53 PM: > >> What mail client is Bob using? The first message part header you >> quoted[1] is correct for PGP/MIME which I would have thought any modern >> mail client should be able to decode. > Oh, he's using Outlook or something. He uses the "PGP Tray" to decrypt > the clipboard. He's not using any built in support in the email client. > An odd duck. I believe that 'PGP Tray' is part of Symantec's PGP email encryption software. Either that or it's a very old version of the PGP software. I vaguely seem to recall that PGP Tray was part of PGP Desktop before Symantec bought it. But that was a very long ago. As far as I am aware, up to date PGP from Symantec can handle PGP/MIME but I would have thought that virtually no one outside of a corporate environment would be using this nowadays. -- Mark Rousell ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] [SORT OF SOLVED] Can't set Owner Trust to "Ultimate" on an imported key
> Whenever I import a new key, the only way I can ever encrypt to it is to > first go into Key Management and set "Owner Trust" to "Ultimate". I > just now imported a key and when I right click on it, I see no menu > option to set Owner Trust. I do see the option on keys I've already > imported. > > So, when I import a new key, how can I make it so I can encrypt messages > to that key? I've never had this problem before. The answer is go into Enigmail Preferences, Send Options, and under "To send encrypted, accept" click "All usable keys". It still begs the question of why I can't Set Owner Trust on a newly imported key. My guess is that I myself do not "Own" the key, whatever that means. As I mentioned, I still CAN set owner trust on keys I've already had imported for a long time, just not this new one I imported several minutes ago. The right-click option simply does not appear on this one key. -- Patrick ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
Mark Rousell wrote on 09/07/2018 05:53 PM: > What mail client is Bob using? The first message part header you > quoted[1] is correct for PGP/MIME which I would have thought any modern > mail client should be able to decode. Oh, he's using Outlook or something. He uses the "PGP Tray" to decrypt the clipboard. He's not using any built in support in the email client. An odd duck. -- Patrick Chkoreff ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] Can't set Owner Trust to "Ultimate" on an imported key
Whenever I import a new key, the only way I can ever encrypt to it is to first go into Key Management and set "Owner Trust" to "Ultimate". I just now imported a key and when I right click on it, I see no menu option to set Owner Trust. I do see the option on keys I've already imported. So, when I import a new key, how can I make it so I can encrypt messages to that key? I've never had this problem before. -- Patrick ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
On 07/09/2018 22:31, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: >> Can anybody think of something more I can do to force Enigmail NOT to >> set up one of those "encrypted.asc" file attachment things, > OK I think I figured something out. I went into the Per-Recipient rules > and set PGP/MIME to "Never". I sent a message to my friend Bob and saw > this: > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > Content-Language: en-US > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit What mail client is Bob using? The first message part header you quoted[1] is correct for PGP/MIME which I would have thought any modern mail client should be able to decode. Footnote:- 1: If this is the message part header (which you quoted) Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="encrypted.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP encrypted message Content-Disposition: inline; filename="encrypted.asc" then this will be in the main message header: Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"; boundary="" -- Mark Rousell ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] [SOLVED] One recipient sees an attached .asc file, but another sees it inline
> Can anybody think of something more I can do to force Enigmail NOT to > set up one of those "encrypted.asc" file attachment things, OK I think I figured something out. I went into the Per-Recipient rules and set PGP/MIME to "Never". I sent a message to my friend Bob and saw this: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- ... That looks like success to me! -- Patrick Chkoreff ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
Lachezar Dobrev wrote on 09/07/2018 10:59 AM: > You can use 'Inline PGP' either from the Enigmail menu in the mail > composer. You can also set it via a recipient rule to avoid doing that > every time. My Enigmail menu when composing already shows this option selected: * Protocol: Inline PGP (auto) I just sent myself an encrypted email and I still see the "Autocrypt" header. I even went to Account Settings / OpenPGP Security and unchecked the option "Use PGP/MIME by default". Made no difference. I guess this big "Autocrypt" header is just the New Normal and I'll have to tell my Stone Age command-line friend just to deal with it. I myself have tried using gpg from the command line, but all the copying and pasting just offends me. I guess I'll just have to live with this "Autocrypt" header thing, whatever that is. > P.S. The developer of Enigmail is Patrick Brunschwig, it was amusing > to see a question here signed just 'Patrick' :) -- Patrick Chkoreff :) ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
Florian Knodt wrote on 09/07/2018 01:24 PM: > Autocrypt sends your (automatically generated) public key in every mail. > If the receiver also supports it it will automatically encrypt all > messages to you. If the concept/implementation is a good or bad idea - > well, let's say there are different opinions. That's great to know, thanks for the info. In the heat of experimentation I didn't bother to look up "autocrypt". Maybe that is a good idea, cuz the uptake on PGP has been rather thin. > If you just want plain and simple PGP you should be able to disable this > behavior using Account Setting -> OpenPGP -> Tab Autocrypt -> Enable > Autocrypt Wow it took me a while to figure out what you meant by the Autocrypt "Tab", because Thunderbird shows those tabs as just plain text. I finally scanned the preference page line-by-line and saw this text: Message Composition Autocrypt Turns out "Message Composition" and "Autocrypt" are separate clickable tabs, not just text. Well I'll be dog. Anyway yes that does work, I can uncheck Enable Autocrypt and sure enough it disables it. But now that you've explained to me what a wonderful and promising feature this is, with the prospect of bringing secure email to the masses, I think I'll leave it enabled. Thanks Florian. -- Patrick Chkoreff ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
On 9/7/18 7:02 PM, Patrick Chkoreff wrote: > I even went to Account Settings / OpenPGP Security and unchecked the > option "Use PGP/MIME by default". Made no difference. Autocrypt sends your (automatically generated) public key in every mail. If the receiver also supports it it will automatically encrypt all messages to you. If the concept/implementation is a good or bad idea - well, let's say there are different opinions. If you just want plain and simple PGP you should be able to disable this behavior using Account Setting -> OpenPGP -> Tab Autocrypt -> Enable Autocrypt Florian ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
Patrick Chkoreff wrote on 09/07/2018 01:02 PM: > I guess I'll just have to live with this > "Autocrypt" header thing, whatever that is. On second thought, it really bothers me that even when sending a plain text email, the email includes a big "Autocrypt" header. Why would Enigmail insert that for a PLAIN TEXT email? -- Patrick ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
Lachezar Dobrev wrote on 09/07/2018 10:59 AM: > You can use 'Inline PGP' either from the Enigmail menu in the mail > composer. You can also set it via a recipient rule to avoid doing that > every time. My Enigmail menu when composing already shows this option selected: * Protocol: Inline PGP (auto) I just sent myself an encrypted email and I still see the "Autocrypt" header. I even went to Account Settings / OpenPGP Security and unchecked the option "Use PGP/MIME by default". Made no difference. I guess this big "Autocrypt" header is just the New Normal and I'll have to tell my Stone Age command-line friend just to deal with it. I myself have tried using gpg from the command line, but all the copying and pasting just offends me. I guess I'll just have to live with this "Autocrypt" header thing, whatever that is. > P.S. The developer of Enigmail is Patrick Brunschwig, it was amusing > to see a question here signed just 'Patrick' :) -- Patrick Chkoreff :) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can't sign email with Enigmail 2.0.8
> I can't sign email with Enigmail 2.0.8 -v ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
You can use 'Inline PGP' either from the Enigmail menu in the mail composer. You can also set it via a recipient rule to avoid doing that every time. You can also disable 'Use PGP/MIME by default in the Account preferences, in the 'OpenPGP Security' tab. PGP/Mime is better suited to handle e-mails with attachments, non-latin text, weird formatting (long lines, nested quotes, etc.) and non-plain-text messages (e.g. HTML formatted). As always I might be wrong. P.S. The developer of Enigmail is Patrick Brunschwig, it was amusing to see a question here signed just 'Patrick' :) На пт, 7.09.2018 г. в 17:39 ч. Patrick Chkoreff написа: > > I recently sent an encrypted email via Enigmail to a friend who does all > his crypto from the command line using gpg directly. He remarked that: > > > I got your message. However, it was sent as an encrypted > > attachment in a blank MIME message. The message was not > > marked with the property "encrypted." > > I did a View Message Source on the message and saw a lot of headers and > such which suggest that Enigmail is not simply encrypting the message, > the way I would do manually with a command such as: > > gpg -o - -e -r fri...@somewhere.com -r p...@fexl.com -a > > In the message I saw elaborate headers such as: > > From: p...@fexl.com > Subject: test > Openpgp: preference=signencrypt > Autocrypt: addr=patr...@absolutefundadministration.com; > prefer-encrypt=mutual; > keydata= > xsFNBFVTu9wBEAD3HrqNmAU5TPesso2t7QG+bq/Y9Brz0X... > > > And this: > > Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; > protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"; > > > And then FINALLY this: > > -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- > > hQIMA6Lhji0Goz+pAQ//RxnH969Jij+H9eupX698NC//p1PWVxDD2L9l0nruAKwz > ... > > -END PGP MESSAGE- > > > > > I was hoping there was a way for Enigmail just to compose a plain > message with nothing but the "PGP" block, and no "Openpgp" or > "Autocrypt" anything at the top. > > I actually tried disabling Enigmail "for this identity" entirely, and > just doing the message manually, but that only worked for my default > identity. If I chose a different identity, Enigmail inserted those > Autocrypt headers even when I was sending a plain text email! > > > -- Patrick > > ___ > enigmail-users mailing list > enigmail-users@enigmail.net > To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: > https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] Can Enigmail be configured to send simple PGP?
I recently sent an encrypted email via Enigmail to a friend who does all his crypto from the command line using gpg directly. He remarked that: > I got your message. However, it was sent as an encrypted > attachment in a blank MIME message. The message was not > marked with the property "encrypted." I did a View Message Source on the message and saw a lot of headers and such which suggest that Enigmail is not simply encrypting the message, the way I would do manually with a command such as: gpg -o - -e -r fri...@somewhere.com -r p...@fexl.com -a In the message I saw elaborate headers such as: From: p...@fexl.com Subject: test Openpgp: preference=signencrypt Autocrypt: addr=patr...@absolutefundadministration.com; prefer-encrypt=mutual; keydata= xsFNBFVTu9wBEAD3HrqNmAU5TPesso2t7QG+bq/Y9Brz0X... And this: Content-Type: multipart/encrypted; protocol="application/pgp-encrypted"; And then FINALLY this: -BEGIN PGP MESSAGE- hQIMA6Lhji0Goz+pAQ//RxnH969Jij+H9eupX698NC//p1PWVxDD2L9l0nruAKwz ... -END PGP MESSAGE- I was hoping there was a way for Enigmail just to compose a plain message with nothing but the "PGP" block, and no "Openpgp" or "Autocrypt" anything at the top. I actually tried disabling Enigmail "for this identity" entirely, and just doing the message manually, but that only worked for my default identity. If I chose a different identity, Enigmail inserted those Autocrypt headers even when I was sending a plain text email! -- Patrick ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
Re: [Enigmail] Can't sign email with Enigmail 2.0.8
On 09/07/2018 02:48 AM, Per Gunnarsson wrote: > I can't sign email with Enigmail 2.0.8 > > I think I can. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer Registered Linux User 85642. /V\ PGP-Key:166D840A 0C610C8B Registered Machine 1935521. /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jerseyhttp://linuxcounter.net ^^-^^ 07:40:01 up 1 day, 22:49, 2 users, load average: 4.84, 4.68, 4.56 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ enigmail-users mailing list enigmail-users@enigmail.net To unsubscribe or make changes to your subscription click here: https://admin.hostpoint.ch/mailman/listinfo/enigmail-users_enigmail.net
[Enigmail] Can't sign email with Enigmail 2.0.8
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