Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

2008-11-11 Thread Lionel ORRY
2008/11/11 Stephane Bauland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Toma wrote:
 Ive always been a proponent of more docs and have always tried to make
 docs. Im down with it.

 The 0th step is creating a roadmap of what needs more documentation,
 what needs documentation revision, and how to organize all the
 documentation.
 I'm agree, the good way is to have a roadmap in trac, sure.
  And instead of a 'team' as such, we could create a
 system where you just add a short blurb about a certain function then
 that gets added to a database... unless thats already possible?

 It would be good to keep it all on a wiki type setup,
 Imho, using something like docbook or another documentation's
 format will be better, using this, it'll be more easy to provide
 documentation in differents formats.

Attached is an example of what can be done using AsciiDoc
(http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.html). The source file is a
plain text file (the extension is .txt), and can generate docbook (see
the pdf output using asciidoc + xsltproc + docbook-xsl-stylesheets +
fop 0.95) of html (see the html output).

It is easy to learn and to maintain. Moreover, a plain text file can
be easily versioned through Subversion.

I personally use asciidoc more and more for my professional and
personal documentation needs, just wanted to let you give an eye to
this solution.

P.S. The sample doc given here does not mean (yet) that I can involve
a lot of time to documentation... Maybe in a few more months.

regards,
Lionel

  preferably on
 trac.enlightenment.org (at least for the roadmap) or on
 wiki.enlightenment.org ... there is already LOADS of info on
 wiki.e.org, but it might need some more organization.

 Yes, wiki have to be organized and updated :)
 Toma



 2008/11/11 Amitav Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hi

 I posted about this about a week ago. I am partly taking up that task.
 However, I will need a few more days to begin my work.

 Stephane Bauland wrote:

 Hi all,

 This morning i was reading a guay in #e, asking for some documentation
 around E itself. Maybe it could be great to create a team for
 documentation right now. And to provide a user documentation manual for
 the release ? Cause their's not enought documentation about e, or the
 one existing are a little bit outdated.

 That's just my opinion, i let you react :)



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Re: [E-devel] [e16] [patch] Iconify windows in same area

2008-11-11 Thread Pietro Cerutti
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Pietro Cerutti wrote:
| Kim Woelders wrote:
| | On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:26:39 +0100, Pietro Cerutti [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| | wrote:
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| | Hi,
| |
| | I've heard that Windows 7 has a feature that allows to iconify all
other
| | windows on the desktop by shaking the window to be left alone... I like
| | the idea...
| |
| | Ok, here's a patch to add a wop to e16 that does the same: iconify all
| | other windows in the same area, leaving the current window alone (hence
| | the name alone).
| |
| | http://www.gahr.ch/misc/e16-alone.diff
| |
| | Feedback and comments are welcome!
| |
| | Committed with minor changes (mostly tweaks of the window selection in
| | EwinAlone()).
| | Please check if it still works as expected.
|
| Well, I would avoid iconifying windows with the skipwinlist property set
| as well. For example, I have a gkrellm session which is not sticky, but
| I don't treat it as a normal window anyway, it seems natural to me that
| suck windows do not get minimized by the alone wop.
| I still have to see what exactly the property donthide means / when
| exactly it is set.
|
| I will look at it tomorrow and provide a patch that minimizes
| interference with yours.

So, here it is. In my opinion it would be better to skip windows with
the following properties set as well:

- - skip_ext_task
- - skip_winlist
- - skip_focuslist

A patch against the current SVN revision is here:

http://www.gahr.ch/misc/e16-alone_2.diff


Thanks!

|
| |
| | Thanks :)
|
| Thanks for now!
|
| |
| | /Kim
| |
|
|

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Re: [E-devel] RFC: enlightenment_start -locked

2008-11-11 Thread Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 7:05 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler
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 On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:19:46 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

 (sorry - travelling...)

 um - i think it's a great idea. makes sense for auto-logins like with gsm (or
 if enrance gets one) or even more so for embedded devices - like phone/pda's
 etc. where the thing boots straight into x and e.. and you want to lock it 
 with
 a pin # (desklock needs a way of adding some way to enter a password/pin 
 number
 other than via a keyboard - a pin #, a virtual keyboard, or maybe some special
 shape you draw... main point is to make it flexible).

Yes, for that I guess it's easier to abstract desklock or use an
external desklock app (already supported, but I never tried). The
former is better as it's faster and lower on resources. A virtual
number keyboard would do for most devices.


 as such user-switching i think is best left to whatever launches e. leave that
 out of e. nb - i would say that this is best done as a config option in 
 e_config

 lock_on_start and that should do quite nicely :) add to the desklock config

yes, it's easy doable, but I guess fixing the show wallpaper is a
worse problem ATM.


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[E-devel] [e16] [patch] do not cover dragbar on maximize

2008-11-11 Thread Pietro Cerutti
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Hi,

So, here's another patch for e16, this time against its maximizing
mechanism. We have a fantastic dragbar, which is really a useful
feature, but oftentimes not visible because windows are maximized.

This patch makes maximizing windows not hide the dragbar, unless the
maximizing mode is MAX_ABSOLUTE.

The patch is here:

http://www.gahr.ch/misc/e16-nocover-dragbar.diff

I don't really get why I have to check against
2 * Conf.desks.dragbar_width
when handling to dragdir == 3 case... o_O

Please keep me CC'd.

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Re: [E-devel] planet?

2008-11-11 Thread Nathan Ingersoll
I emailed them. Tim requested that his blog be removed from the planet
and the blogging software Ben uses does not support categories. I can
remove Ben since he isn't really active in E any longer, but I'll let
others voice any objections before I go ahead and remove them.

Nathan

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 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 3:10 PM, Nathan Ingersoll [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 dj2 was the one maintaining it. Do you have category specific links
 for benr and tim? I might have access to the necessary files.

 No, I don't. Do you have their contact so we could ask them?

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Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

2008-11-11 Thread andres
El Tuesday 11 November 2008 14:28:56 Lionel ORRY escribió:
 2008/11/11 Stephane Bauland [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  Toma wrote:
  Ive always been a proponent of more docs and have always tried to make
  docs. Im down with it.
 
  The 0th step is creating a roadmap of what needs more documentation,
  what needs documentation revision, and how to organize all the
  documentation.
 
  I'm agree, the good way is to have a roadmap in trac, sure.
 
   And instead of a 'team' as such, we could create a
  system where you just add a short blurb about a certain function then
  that gets added to a database... unless thats already possible?
 
  It would be good to keep it all on a wiki type setup,
 
  Imho, using something like docbook or another documentation's
  format will be better, using this, it'll be more easy to provide
  documentation in differents formats.

 Attached is an example of what can be done using AsciiDoc
 (http://www.methods.co.nz/asciidoc/index.html). The source file is a
 plain text file (the extension is .txt), and can generate docbook (see
 the pdf output using asciidoc + xsltproc + docbook-xsl-stylesheets +
 fop 0.95) of html (see the html output).

 It is easy to learn and to maintain. Moreover, a plain text file can
 be easily versioned through Subversion.

I just wanted to show some support for any kind of simple, plain text 
documentation language like AsciiDoc or reStructuredtext.

After using Docbook for more than a couple of months —with documents of others 
and my own— I came to the conclusion that Docbook documents are 
overcomplicated, unreadable, unmaintainable pieces of shit that I wouldn't 
touch with a ten foot pole ever again.  My experience with conversion tools 
for Docbook was bad as well.

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Re: [E-devel] RFC: enlightenment_start -locked

2008-11-11 Thread The Rasterman
On Sat, 8 Nov 2008 06:19:46 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
[EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled:

(sorry - travelling...)

um - i think it's a great idea. makes sense for auto-logins like with gsm (or
if enrance gets one) or even more so for embedded devices - like phone/pda's
etc. where the thing boots straight into x and e.. and you want to lock it with
a pin # (desklock needs a way of adding some way to enter a password/pin number
other than via a keyboard - a pin #, a virtual keyboard, or maybe some special
shape you draw... main point is to make it flexible).

as such user-switching i think is best left to whatever launches e. leave that
out of e. nb - i would say that this is best done as a config option in e_config

lock_on_start and that should do quite nicely :) add to the desklock config

 On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 12:57 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hi guys,
 
  During the conference my laptop suspend/resume decided to barf and I
  have to shutdown and restart lots of time, having to wait for the
  always slow boot process (mine is still not under 5s) and part of it
  is loading entrance and e...
 
  But wait, most of users I know just have one single user in their
  machine, including myself... so why use entrance at all? We should
  have a way to ask enlightenment to start with the desktop lock on,
  some command line option like -locked so I'm still safe, but as soon
  as I type my password I have something ready and working, possible my
  autostart apps are fully working and everything. And all of that
  without special hacks like Gnome guys did to have GDM to preload gnome
  session before...
 
  To me it's plain simple, but before I dig into code to have that
  working, do you see any problems with that approach?
 
 So at least 3 guys answered to me in IRC with positive feedback (being
 in the same situation as I am). Do anyone see a problem with such
 approach?
 
 Does anyone know better what's required for user switch? Maybe it
 would be good to change Entrance when it's fixed/rewrite so we have a
 way to do autostart as well, in that case Entrance would start itself
 as the minimum smart session end monitor that it uses once users logs
 in. That way it doesn't impact boot times and it is still possible for
 people to change users later.
 Maybe that can be added to E desktop lock, since when I see
 multiple users running on the same machine I see they using multiple X
 sessions, so it's just a matter of spawning a new server... but I'm
 not sure about coordination between those... or those with the login
 manager, but KDE/KDM does keep track of such information (at least if
 you want to shutdown it will first show that there are other users
 logged in and confirm you want to proceed).
 
 
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Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

2008-11-11 Thread Amitav Mohanty
Hi

I posted about this about a week ago. I am partly taking up that task.
However, I will need a few more days to begin my work.

Stephane Bauland wrote:
 Hi all,

 This morning i was reading a guay in #e, asking for some documentation 
 around E itself. Maybe it could be great to create a team for 
 documentation right now. And to provide a user documentation manual for 
 the release ? Cause their's not enought documentation about e, or the 
 one existing are a little bit outdated.

 That's just my opinion, i let you react :)

   

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Re: [E-devel] Theme related query...

2008-11-11 Thread Toma
I think the cool thing about this, is the different structures of
themes that are possible. Depending on your development cycle and
methods, you can do things just the way you like. There are a few
different styles Ive used, obviously the blingbling style of files for
each widget, the 1 big file of bw, and the sections (about 5 or 6?)
files of edjy. I think a few other themes use a different style, but I
dont think the file hierarchy should be specified. If anything, the
formatting style should stay the same, the good ol 3 space tabs.

Good to hear youre back into the themeing :)
Toma

2008/11/11 nathan baxter [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi all

 For the default setup within themes for DR16 Raster imposed a standard for
 the theme builders to follow. I was just wondering if this is going to be
 the same for dr17 as the blingbling theme and the b_and_w theme have very
 different layouts within the dir structure. Is one of these structures going
 to be the defacto standard (i'm hoping the blingbling as all the parts are
 in seperate files and IMO easier to manage).

 Would appreciate any feedback on this before I commit too much time ;)

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Re: [E-devel] Theme related query...

2008-11-11 Thread Viktor Kojouharov
On Tue, 2008-11-11 at 11:28 +, nathan baxter wrote:
 Hi all
 
 For the default setup within themes for DR16 Raster imposed a standard for
 the theme builders to follow. I was just wondering if this is going to be
 the same for dr17 as the blingbling theme and the b_and_w theme have very
 different layouts within the dir structure. Is one of these structures going
 to be the defacto standard (i'm hoping the blingbling as all the parts are
 in seperate files and IMO easier to manage).
 
 Would appreciate any feedback on this before I commit too much time ;)
 
 Regards
 
 nathan (pixelhead)

You can pick whatever structure you like. It really doesn't matter
whether you keep everything in a single file, or split everything up as
much as possible.

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Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

2008-11-11 Thread Toma
Ive always been a proponent of more docs and have always tried to make
docs. Im down with it.

The 0th step is creating a roadmap of what needs more documentation,
what needs documentation revision, and how to organize all the
documentation. And instead of a 'team' as such, we could create a
system where you just add a short blurb about a certain function then
that gets added to a database... unless thats already possible?

It would be good to keep it all on a wiki type setup, preferably on
trac.enlightenment.org (at least for the roadmap) or on
wiki.enlightenment.org ... there is already LOADS of info on
wiki.e.org, but it might need some more organization.

Toma



2008/11/11 Amitav Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Hi

 I posted about this about a week ago. I am partly taking up that task.
 However, I will need a few more days to begin my work.

 Stephane Bauland wrote:
 Hi all,

 This morning i was reading a guay in #e, asking for some documentation
 around E itself. Maybe it could be great to create a team for
 documentation right now. And to provide a user documentation manual for
 the release ? Cause their's not enought documentation about e, or the
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[E-devel] Theme related query...

2008-11-11 Thread nathan baxter
Hi all

For the default setup within themes for DR16 Raster imposed a standard for
the theme builders to follow. I was just wondering if this is going to be
the same for dr17 as the blingbling theme and the b_and_w theme have very
different layouts within the dir structure. Is one of these structures going
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Would appreciate any feedback on this before I commit too much time ;)

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Re: [E-devel] Release and documentation

2008-11-11 Thread Stephane Bauland
Toma wrote:
 Ive always been a proponent of more docs and have always tried to make
 docs. Im down with it.

 The 0th step is creating a roadmap of what needs more documentation,
 what needs documentation revision, and how to organize all the
 documentation.
I'm agree, the good way is to have a roadmap in trac, sure.
  And instead of a 'team' as such, we could create a
 system where you just add a short blurb about a certain function then
 that gets added to a database... unless thats already possible?

 It would be good to keep it all on a wiki type setup,
Imho, using something like docbook or another documentation's
format will be better, using this, it'll be more easy to provide
documentation in differents formats.
  preferably on
 trac.enlightenment.org (at least for the roadmap) or on
 wiki.enlightenment.org ... there is already LOADS of info on
 wiki.e.org, but it might need some more organization.
   
Yes, wiki have to be organized and updated :)
 Toma



 2008/11/11 Amitav Mohanty [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
   
 Hi

 I posted about this about a week ago. I am partly taking up that task.
 However, I will need a few more days to begin my work.

 Stephane Bauland wrote:
 
 Hi all,

 This morning i was reading a guay in #e, asking for some documentation
 around E itself. Maybe it could be great to create a team for
 documentation right now. And to provide a user documentation manual for
 the release ? Cause their's not enought documentation about e, or the
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Re: [E-devel] FOSDEM 2009 (last chance)

2008-11-11 Thread Vincent Torri

 It seems that, now, FOSDEM 2009 takes place on the 7 and 8 february

 http://www.fosdem.org/2009/node/153

 maybe it's now urgent that we register to have a room

Just a reminder. There is now some dead lines for the participation in the 
link above (see at the bottom).

I don't know if we have enough matter to have an entire dev room. On the 
other hand lightning talks are really fast (~15 mn)

The deadline for lightning talks requests is december the 26th

The form is there:

http://www.fosdem.org/2009/call_for_lightningtalks

The deadline for a dev room is shorter: december the 22nd (in 10 days).

More informations there:

http://www.fosdem.org/2009/call_for_devrooms_and_stands

So if you think that we should have a dev room, then we must know NOW who 
is involved and what we should send to the FOSDEM organizers. It will be a 
lot of work and organization too. If we can have a good proposal at the 
end of the week, it will let us some days to finalize everything before 
applying to FOSDEM.

Vincent

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Re: [E-devel] FOSDEM 2009 (last chance)

2008-11-11 Thread Vincent Torri


On Wed, 12 Nov 2008, David Seikel wrote:

 On Wed, 12 Nov 2008 00:25:01 +0100 (CET) Vincent Torri
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 The deadline for a dev room is shorter: december the 22nd (in 10
 days).

 Um, it's November last I checked.  December the 22nd is a lot more than
 10 days away.  Did you mean the deadline is November 22?

oups, you're right, It's november for dev rooms :)

Vincent

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