[E-devel] Stipended code donation
Hallo everyone, with my own money, I'm going to stipend a coder to work hardly on the Enlightenment FM. I thought this is something good to do and very similar to what google does in the summer of code afterall. So, now, the only thing to define is what the coder should implement. What's missing, what we would like EFM to be able to do. Some specs. Is it ok for all of you if I do this? Of course, the coder would work with the collaboration of everyone in E15 development team, it would follow the official specs and act the same way the developer from google did: with free code, released under our same license, etc. I manage, as many of you might know, my own E17 based distro and my goal is that of contributing in a tangible way, not just using E17 in my distro but trying to help making it better! I'll be waiting for your answer, suggestions and features list needed by the new work. Plus, please show me links to official documents, etc. so that the developer can have as much docs and specs as he can. Greetings, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] cpu frequency not scaling with E17 + Ubuntu
On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:37:35 +0100 Viktor Kojouharov vkojouha...@gmail.com said: Continuing from the previous discussion on this topic, someone suggested that the nice level for app execution should be configurable. I've attached a patch that does this, so if there are no complaints, I'll commit it soon. seems reasonable. commit when you are ready :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com wrote: Hallo everyone, with my own money, I'm going to stipend a coder to work hardly on the Enlightenment FM. I thought this is something good to do and very similar to what google does in the summer of code afterall. So, now, the only thing to define is what the coder should implement. What's missing, what we would like EFM to be able to do. Some specs. Is it ok for all of you if I do this? Of course, the coder would work with the collaboration of everyone in E15 development team, it would follow the official specs and act the same way the developer from google did: with free code, released under our same license, etc. I manage, as many of you might know, my own E17 based distro and my goal is that of contributing in a tangible way, not just using E17 in my distro but trying to help making it better! I'll be waiting for your answer, suggestions and features list needed by the new work. Plus, please show me links to official documents, etc. so that the developer can have as much docs and specs as he can. Hi Luca, I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. Regards, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
-- Forwarded message -- From: hannes.janet...@gmail.com hannes.janet...@googlemail.com Date: Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation To: Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com Hi Luca, you won the jackpot?! This is not a direct reply to your request, but as you brought up the topic: I think a bit of sponsoring could not be bad to get developers do more the kind of things that users want instead of scratching their own itches. It would be nice to have a bounty list where money could be collected per tasks that donators can define. These could also be small tasks like for example fixing some layout issues of the dialogs, adding options, writing modules (that dont need to be included in e), etc. I would definitely be motivated to work on these things by such a way of sponsoring. What do others think of this? Is there interest in doing work on bounty basis and is it realizable? Regards, Hannes 'jeffdameth' Janetzek -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] cpu frequency not scaling with E17 + Ubuntu
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 8:50 AM, The Rasterman Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Mon, 02 Feb 2009 20:37:35 +0100 Viktor Kojouharov vkojouha...@gmail.com said: Continuing from the previous discussion on this topic, someone suggested that the nice level for app execution should be configurable. I've attached a patch that does this, so if there are no complaints, I'll commit it soon. seems reasonable. commit when you are ready :) I'd make Application Priority plural, like Applications Priority. Last but not least, I've being investigating OOM behavior these days and since E17 is popular in embedded systems, why not have an option to set /proc/$PID/oom_adj so E17 is less likely to be killed (or even deny E17 being oom-killed). I don't think we need a GUI for that, but having it in config file is a good thing, some profiles could set that. (If one want to implement that, talk to me... you need to set oom_adj of e17 and set to 0 on children, because this is inherited...) -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] cpu frequency not scaling with E17 + Ubuntu
On Friday, 06 February 2009, at 14:35:21 (-0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: I'd make Application Priority plural, like Applications Priority. That would be grammatically incorrect. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.-- Voltaire -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] cpu frequency not scaling with E17 + Ubuntu
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 3:44 PM, Michael Jennings e-de...@kainx.org wrote: On Friday, 06 February 2009, at 14:35:21 (-0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: I'd make Application Priority plural, like Applications Priority. That would be grammatically incorrect. Sorry! I was trying to give the sense that all applications would get this priority. Maybe have a textblock explaining why it is useful? -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] cpu frequency not scaling with E17 + Ubuntu
On Friday, 06 February 2009, at 16:40:28 (-0200), Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri wrote: Sorry! I was trying to give the sense that all applications would get this priority. Maybe have a textblock explaining why it is useful? Perhaps a different verbiage altogether would be more clear? Child Process Priority or Subprocess Priority might be more explanatory. I agree that it's not well-put. :) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Perhaps someday we will discover that space and time are simpler than the human equation. -- Jean-Luc Picard, ST:TNG -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? @Hannes: if you can do the job and since you already are part of the OpenGEU crew, of course you should contact me and of course I would incentivate your work :) Greets everyone, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 6:43 PM, Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com wrote: I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? Would this work? http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/wiki/Release These are the blocking/showstopper, but maybe you can fill it bit more. I'll keep ProFUSION out of this for a while, expecting some developer to step in and give them preference, if you pick no one until next week then I'll mail you. That way I don't get in the way of any developer willing to work on it. Regards, -- Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri http://profusion.mobi embedded systems -- MSN: barbi...@gmail.com Skype: gsbarbieri Mobile: +55 (19) 9225-2202 -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx On Feb 6, 2009, at 2:43 PM, Luca De Marini wrote: I think you're looking for an individual developer, willing to get code done and hopefully the guy continue working on the project (same aim as GSoC). But if you cannot find any and want to contract a company, ProFUSION can do such work. Our employees (myself included) are doing some minor hackings here and there, trying to give back to the project that we use as daily window manager and also the great libraries, but we cannot afford allocating a full resource to fix all efm issues on our own. That would be great but I'm quite pragmatic on this approach. I know that making a better working E will just attract more developers and users, so I look for immediate needs of my distro and for the future too. I don't believe that a coder will get interested in the project only because I pay him to work on it. But I think that I need a filemanager in my distro and thunar is not the perfect choice. It is not integrated in the distro, therefore I cannot use it for all my porposes and it does not correctly interact with all modules (like places or drawer). Now I see in E17 even more potential than I saw before, lately there have been so many new implementations... I'm really excited. So, I need only a list of features EFM should have to be considered completed, some doc references and that's all. I'm going to pay someone to fix EFM and complete its features list. Paying one by one if necessary and if it's the best approach to the problem, and maybe it is. Both for my distro and the community, my distro, afterall, is FOR and OWNED by me and the community itself. So, what they ask me is what I want in the distro too. And we need a good EFM :) Anyone willing to help, please mail me a money offer if you prefer. In any case, I will find someone interested somewhere. I just need a features list and docs. Anyone can please provide these things? Raster? @Hannes: if you can do the job and since you already are part of the OpenGEU crew, of course you should contact me and of course I would incentivate your work :) Greets everyone, Luca D.M. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
2009/2/6 Jorge Mariani jorgemari...@gmail.com Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx That's exactly the place I was going to use from the beginning :) -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Stipended code donation
2009/2/7 Luca De Marini luca.darkmas...@gmail.com: 2009/2/6 Jorge Mariani jorgemari...@gmail.com Have you tried http://www.rentacoder.com/RentACoder/DotNet/default.aspx That's exactly the place I was going to use from the beginning :) I get the feeling it would be better paying someone within the project already as they might know the internals better. On a separate note, I was thinking about doing something like this a few days ago. Maybe ProFUSION could setup a 'Pay an E hacker' system where we could get donations to pay someone to hack E specifically? Toma. -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
[E-devel] Forming a non-profit entity?
Hello, [Not a development topic.. but I need to hit the right audience] Last year, with our acceptance in GSoC, it came to my attention that we might possibly benefit from forming an official 501(c)(3) Non Profit Organization. This has become fresh in my mind again this year due to GSoC, but also due to the Bounty that has appeared regarding the E File Manager. Forming an NPO has many benefits I'm told. I don't pretend to fully understand all of them, but here are the ones that seem most immediately applicable to E: 1) A third party to manage our assets: Money, copyrights, trademarks, etc 2) A way to collect earmarked donations: I believe we could accept a general donation for E, or monies for specific tasks (Like EFM work) 3) An entity to absorb IRS tax obligations: Google pays our organization money for each student who completes GSoC. The money gets sent to an individual[1] (for deposit into the E fund, held by another individual[2]). Individual[1] has tax obligations. 4) Protection from personal liability: They say anyone can sue anyone else for anything these days. Sounds good to be protected from that. 5) Copyright/Trademark enforcement: If we had a need, 6) Donations to E become tax deductible for he who donates. Now, all of the above might sound like simply more work, more bookkeeping, and unnecessary structural changes to E. However, there are presently organizations out there that are in fact NPOs, whose function is to be an umbrella NPO for FOSS projects. One such organization is the Software Freedom Conservancy. http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org They provide services to many FOSS orgs. Some of which are very notable names: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/members/ There is also a sibling organization (Software Freedom Law Center) which provides legal representation for member projects: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ The SFLC works closely with the Free Software Foundation, GNU Compiler Collection Steering Committee, and many others. The SFC/SFLC is a well established organization who already has the structure, personnel, and facilities to handle all of the above. Their goal is to provide these services with little or no changes to its member orgs. So, I'm writing this purely to kick up a discussion. To generate QAs. I don't have all the (any?) answers, but I'm willing to do the legwork to uncover them. Your thoughts? -- Regards, Ravenlock signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
Re: [E-devel] Forming a non-profit entity?
I did a little leg work to see what the Gnome and KDE folks are doing. http://foundation.gnome.org/legal/ http://foundation.gnome.org/finance/ (Yes, the 2007 books are not available! Naughty Naughty!) Looks like they run the show themselves, but get free-ish legal services from SFLC http://ev.kde.org/ These guys also run the show themselves. Do we know just how much time gets spent doing all this book keeping and ground work for these foundations? I get the feeling its a bit of work at the start to setup all the copyright, trademarks, bank accounts, tax forms etc etc, but once its going its probably not that hard to do. (No im not putting my hand up...) Toma 2009/2/7 Ravenlock ravenl...@ravenlock.us: Hello, [Not a development topic.. but I need to hit the right audience] Last year, with our acceptance in GSoC, it came to my attention that we might possibly benefit from forming an official 501(c)(3) Non Profit Organization. This has become fresh in my mind again this year due to GSoC, but also due to the Bounty that has appeared regarding the E File Manager. Forming an NPO has many benefits I'm told. I don't pretend to fully understand all of them, but here are the ones that seem most immediately applicable to E: 1) A third party to manage our assets: Money, copyrights, trademarks, etc 2) A way to collect earmarked donations: I believe we could accept a general donation for E, or monies for specific tasks (Like EFM work) 3) An entity to absorb IRS tax obligations: Google pays our organization money for each student who completes GSoC. The money gets sent to an individual[1] (for deposit into the E fund, held by another individual[2]). Individual[1] has tax obligations. 4) Protection from personal liability: They say anyone can sue anyone else for anything these days. Sounds good to be protected from that. 5) Copyright/Trademark enforcement: If we had a need, 6) Donations to E become tax deductible for he who donates. Now, all of the above might sound like simply more work, more bookkeeping, and unnecessary structural changes to E. However, there are presently organizations out there that are in fact NPOs, whose function is to be an umbrella NPO for FOSS projects. One such organization is the Software Freedom Conservancy. http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org They provide services to many FOSS orgs. Some of which are very notable names: http://conservancy.softwarefreedom.org/members/ There is also a sibling organization (Software Freedom Law Center) which provides legal representation for member projects: http://www.softwarefreedom.org/ The SFLC works closely with the Free Software Foundation, GNU Compiler Collection Steering Committee, and many others. The SFC/SFLC is a well established organization who already has the structure, personnel, and facilities to handle all of the above. Their goal is to provide these services with little or no changes to its member orgs. So, I'm writing this purely to kick up a discussion. To generate QAs. I don't have all the (any?) answers, but I'm willing to do the legwork to uncover them. Your thoughts? -- Regards, Ravenlock -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel -- Create and Deploy Rich Internet Apps outside the browser with Adobe(R)AIR(TM) software. With Adobe AIR, Ajax developers can use existing skills and code to build responsive, highly engaging applications that combine the power of local resources and data with the reach of the web. Download the Adobe AIR SDK and Ajax docs to start building applications today-http://p.sf.net/sfu/adobe-com ___ enlightenment-devel mailing list enlightenment-devel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-devel
