[e-users] e17 desktop with another window-manager
Hi, I'm currently testing Xgl, however I came across a problem. To have the gl effects I have to use compiz and gnome-window-decorator. But it possible to start e17 without the window-manager part (just the desktop). I've already been able to do it the other way: using e17 as my window-manager and use kicker and gnome-desktop ( or another combination) together. I realy hope it's possible, since if it's not, I would have to make a very difficult choice. Ruben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 desktop with another window-manager
On Sun, 2006-02-19 at 11:12 +, Ruben Vandamme wrote: Hi, I'm currently testing Xgl, however I came across a problem. To have the gl effects I have to use compiz and gnome-window-decorator. But it possible to start e17 without the window-manager part (just the desktop). I've already been able to do it the other way: using e17 as my window-manager and use kicker and gnome-desktop ( or another combination) together. I realy hope it's possible, since if it's not, I would have to make a very difficult choice. I don't believe this is possible, but I could be wrong. A better option is to use e17 combined with an OpenGL composite manager. Currently, the only two I'm aware of are Compiz and glxcompmgr. As Compiz is also a window manager, it's not really compatible with e17. But glxcompmgr should be fine. It'd be great to have a GL-based compmgr build right into e17, but I don't see that happening any time soon unfortunately. Cheers, Ben. Ruben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [e-users] e17 desktop with another window-manager
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:12:36 + Ruben Vandamme [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hi, I'm currently testing Xgl, however I came across a problem. To have the gl effects I have to use compiz and gnome-window-decorator. But it possible to start e17 without the window-manager part (just the desktop). I've already been able to do it the other way: using e17 as my window-manager and use kicker and gnome-desktop ( or another combination) together. no its not possible :) I realy hope it's possible, since if it's not, I would have to make a very difficult choice. you will have to. it is stated policy that e isnt going to be jumping through hoops to make other desktop desktop components happy - it manages applications and that's it. Ruben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] virtual terminals broken
Morten Nilsen wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Updated my e17 on the 18th. After this update, I can't switch to a virtual terminal. What I get is my desktop image with a 5 cm black space at the top that appears to be the contents of the virtual terminal screen. If I hit the enter key I can see the login prompt scroll in this short space. Anyone?? I'll try a rebuild today. are you referring to the console? Somehow I missed responding to this. Cleaning out old email and found it. :( Yes, console. if so, you wouldn't happen to be using framebuffer console? Yes. if you are.. you should stop, fb console isn't all it's cranked up to be :) Since posting this and subsequent upgrades, all is well. :) -- Until later, Geoffrey War never solved anything, well, except slavery, fascism and communism --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
OK - I thought its time to say something here. It seems we are on the road to get our own dedicated boxes. We likely will move development CVS too - SF.NET has been iffy with their DEV CVS support of late as well and our own DEV CVS will let us offer anoncvs mirrors trivially via rsync. WWW will likely move too as we finally will get full freedom for our webserver. Mailing lists will likely stay on SF.NET. Anyway - more importantly why is this taking so long. I've been waiting to hear back on tentative requests for free hardware first. I think it's time to stop waiting. (Ben - if you don't get back to us ASAP on Sun's position the assumption is it's a no). So I think we should go ahead and get this underway. Overall Dell seem to provide what we need. we don't need expensive SCSI drives and controllers. a simple SATA drive with raid 1 is probably better. their poweredge 850 with a dual core pentium d should do us , 2gb of ram, 250gb SATA drives x2 gigabit ethernet x2, and 3year next business day warranty (much cheaper and frankly all we really need as an extra 20 or so hours of down time shouldn't break us). dells' price ex shipping is $2784. I will check what discount we can pull today. :) but expect some mail soon with a target price. Before i go any further - any more suggestions? -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now. B-) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth. For two reasons. Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable. It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches. The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian. B-) pgpS6YFT819O9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
David Seikel wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now. B-) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth. For two reasons. Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable. It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches. The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian. B-) And Debian stable is also very old because of the approach Debian takes to updates. I'm very likely fighting a loosing battle here, but I'd go for a rock solid slackware install -- Until later, Geoffrey War never solved anything, well, except slavery, fascism and communism --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:11:17 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now. B-) THAT is not a war to be had on these lists as it will be a decision for those that admin the box. :) we are thinking windows 2000 server :) (if you didn't get the sarcasm - you aren't reading right!) :) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth. For two reasons. Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable. It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches. The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. yup - i'd lean to debian sarge (which is what current stable is). it's new enough, yet conservative - with EXCELLENT security updates as we need them with simple 1-liner updates. for remote management it should be one of the top options. imho. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian. B-) hehe - even those that don't tend to agree that a production server remotely located is likely best dealt with with debian. we can't just plonk a new cd in... :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:29:25 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And Debian stable is also very old because of the approach Debian takes to updates. Yes, we work on a bleeding edge window manager, but there is a reason it's called bleeding. Old is good when you want something that has stood the test of time. We don't need bleeding edge features, we need something that is stable. That is, after all, the main reason we are going it alone, sf.net's anon cvs is unstable, as is thinktux. pgpkCLl10YjrH.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:11:17 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now. B-) THAT is not a war to be had on these lists as it will be a decision for those that admin the box. :) we are thinking windows 2000 server :) (if you didn't get the sarcasm - you aren't reading right!) :) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth. For two reasons. Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable. It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches. The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. yup - i'd lean to debian sarge (which is what current stable is). it's new enough, yet conservative - with EXCELLENT security updates as we need them with simple 1-liner updates. for remote management it should be one of the top options. imho. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian. B-) hehe - even those that don't tend to agree that a production server remotely located is likely best dealt with with debian. we can't just plonk a new cd in... :) I vote for Gentoo. /me runs away giggling to self. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
I vote Openbsd. I personally like that for servers. ethier that or netbsd or freebsd will do.--IncOn 2/19/06, Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 12:11:17 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now.B-) THAT is not a war to be had on these lists as it will be a decision for those that admin the box. :) we are thinking windows 2000 server :) (if you didn't get the sarcasm - you aren't reading right!) :) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth.For two reasons.Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable.It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches.The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. yup - i'd lean to debian sarge (which is what current stable is). it's new enough, yet conservative - with EXCELLENT security updates as we need them with simple 1-liner updates. for remote management it should be one of the top options. imho. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian.B-) hehe - even those that don't tend to agree that a production server remotely located is likely best dealt with with debian. we can't just plonk a new cd in... :) I vote for Gentoo./me runs away giggling to self.---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642___enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:35:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehe - even those that don't tend to agree that a production server remotely located is likely best dealt with with debian. we can't just plonk a new cd in... :) The rasterman has spoken. /flamewar pgp5LMJDfB9K9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
OS flamewar Debian I vote Openbsd. I personally like that for servers. ethier that or netbsd or freebsd will do. I would go with Trustix. :) -- Morten :wq --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 21:29:25 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: David Seikel wrote: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 09:46:53 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any further - any more suggestions? Probably time to start the What OS should it run? flame war now. B-) Even though I don't use it on the desktop, Debian Stable always gets recommended by me for network servers that need to be rock solid and have ample bandwidth. For two reasons. Debian Stable is very stable due to the very conservative nature of the Debian process of producing what they call Stable. It's old versions of software that have been around for long enough to prove that they are problem free, but with the latest security patches. The second reason is that you can't go past the Debian update procedure if you have bandwidth to spare. In this case there is a third reason, raster uses Debian. B-) And Debian stable is also very old because of the approach Debian takes to updates. I'm very likely fighting a loosing battle here, but I'd go for a rock solid slackware install debian stable is not old. it was released last august. -- Until later, Geoffrey War never solved anything, well, except slavery, fascism and communism --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] CVS Servers - YOU CAN HELP! (STATUS)
On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 13:02:25 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 11:35:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hehe - even those that don't tend to agree that a production server remotely located is likely best dealt with with debian. we can't just plonk a new cd in... :) The rasterman has spoken. /flamewar i will repeat what i said before in reply to david. this is not an open for discussion thing. its pointless waste of mail bandwidth. those administering, running, installing etc. the box will choose what to use. what is most practical and convenient that meets the needs will win on technical merits. not on votes. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] DR17 documentation?
I've searched the web for DR17 docs and have come up short. I'm assuming DR16 docs just won't do for DR17. Every link I found for unofficial DR17 docs was dead. Can someone point me to one? I can't figure out how to add an application to a desktop menu, for starters. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 desktop with another window-manager
Am Sun, 19 Feb 2006 11:12:36 + schrieb Ruben Vandamme [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi, I'm currently testing Xgl, however I came across a problem. To have the gl effects I have to use compiz and gnome-window-decorator. But it possible to start e17 without the window-manager part (just the desktop). I've already been able to do it the other way: using e17 as my window-manager and use kicker and gnome-desktop ( or another combination) together. I realy hope it's possible, since if it's not, I would have to make a very difficult choice. The Backround of gnome is afaik set by nautilus and can be disabled with nautilus --no-desktop. The other part i´m not so sure if it works, but you could hava a look e_main.c and comment out all parts which sound like like initialising the borders and surely some other stuff too. BUT the pager, as I think the BEST module of e, won´t work then anymore since e has its own (not netwm compatible) handling of desktops There could be a lot of other problems since e drwas its background not on the normal root window. Hope this helps with your descision. Btw what is the reason that you want this strange combination? - Hannes Ruben --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] DR17 documentation?
David Seikel wrote: On Sat, 18 Feb 2006 10:29:11 -0800 Ralph Alvy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've searched the web for DR17 docs and have come up short. I'm assuming DR16 docs just won't do for DR17. Every link I found for unofficial DR17 docs was dead. Can someone point me to one? I can't figure out how to add an application to a desktop menu, for starters. http://www.get-e.org/ is the official place for E17 user documentation. Thanks. I just found that site. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
