Re: [e-users] missing resolv.conf (was: Enlightenment DR 0.20.8 Release)

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 18 May 2016 23:32:13 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 18 May 2016 23:28:35 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com>
> said:
> 
> > On Wed, 18 May 2016 22:52:26 +1000 Dave <d...@flex.com.au> wrote:
> > 
> > >  In the year 2016, of the month of May, on the 18th day, Carsten
> > > Haitzler wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 18 May 2016 08:54:35 +1000 Dave <d...@flex.com.au> said:
> > > > 
> > > > >  In the year 2016, of the month of May, on the 17th day, R. W.
> > > > > Reese wrote:
> > > > > > Thanks, this is interesting. My resolv.conf is a symlink
> > > > > > pointing /var/run/connman/resolv.conf. I know /var/run is
> > > > > > for PIDs and other current system information, but the
> > > > > > connman folder does not even appear there, so there is
> > > > > > effectively no resolv.conf.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Are my two-year old OS installs misconfigured, even though
> > > > > > they seem to be functioning properly? Should I be fixing
> > > > > > this -- and how?
> > > > > 
> > > > >  Out of curiosity, what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look
> > > > > like?  I'm specifically after the hosts line.  If your boxes
> > > > > are resolving dns names without a valid resolv.conf file,
> > > > > there's got to be some other process in place to achieve that
> > > > > resolution.  It should be configured in that conf file.
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > nsswitch is configuring an a module to load that is actually
> > > > doing this. this basically  means you end up having to go back
> > > > to using libs to do name resolution.
> > >  
> > >  OK.  There's a proper explanation in there, somewhere, I'm sure.
> > > Perhaps if the english wasn't so messed up ...
> > 
> > Raster speaks many languages, his native English included, despite
> > all evidence to the contrary.  Luckily for us, he's great at several
> > computer languages.  B-)
> 
> je suis en paris en ce moment, donc i've been frenching it up pour
> quelques jours. :) maybe mon anglais has been chotto
> destructomuffin'ed avec my francais. :)

Blaming the French borkers for borking your English.  I think we need to
get you back to Oz, so you can practice your 'strayan more.

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Re: [e-users] missing resolv.conf (was: Enlightenment DR 0.20.8 Release)

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 18 May 2016 22:52:26 +1000 Dave  wrote:

>  In the year 2016, of the month of May, on the 18th day, Carsten
> Haitzler wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 May 2016 08:54:35 +1000 Dave  said:
> > 
> > >  In the year 2016, of the month of May, on the 17th day, R. W.
> > > Reese wrote:
> > > > Thanks, this is interesting. My resolv.conf is a symlink
> > > > pointing /var/run/connman/resolv.conf. I know /var/run is for
> > > > PIDs and other current system information, but the connman
> > > > folder does not even appear there, so there is effectively no
> > > > resolv.conf.
> > > > 
> > > > Are my two-year old OS installs misconfigured, even though they
> > > > seem to be functioning properly? Should I be fixing this -- and
> > > > how?
> > > 
> > >  Out of curiosity, what does your /etc/nsswitch.conf file look
> > > like?  I'm specifically after the hosts line.  If your boxes are
> > > resolving dns names without a valid resolv.conf file, there's got
> > > to be some other process in place to achieve that resolution.  It
> > > should be configured in that conf file.
> > > 
> > 
> > nsswitch is configuring an a module to load that is actually doing
> > this. this basically  means you end up having to go back to using
> > libs to do name resolution.
>  
>  OK.  There's a proper explanation in there, somewhere, I'm sure.
> Perhaps if the english wasn't so messed up ...

Raster speaks many languages, his native English included, despite all
evidence to the contrary.  Luckily for us, he's great at several
computer languages.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] enlightenment-users Digest, Vol 116, Issue 2

[David Seikel]

I made it easy for you, and cut all the excess stuff you had in your
emails.  The method to unsubscribe is mentioned in the first few lines
that you kept quoting.  They start with "To subscribe or
unsubscribe".

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Re: [e-users] Eflete v0.6.0 release

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 17:11:35 -0800 Cedric BAIL <cedric.b...@free.fr>
wrote:

> On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 4:59 PM, David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:32:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> >> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:24:14 -0800 Cedric BAIL
> >> <cedric.b...@free.fr> said:
> >>
> >> > Hello,
> >> >
> >> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Viacheslav Reutskiy
> >> > <reutskiy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Today I'm glad to announce a new version of Eflete.
> >> >
> >> > Cool stuff !
> >> >
> >> > > This release is very hard for Eflete team, because we
> >> > > remade almost all UX behavior.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, I am noticing this look really clean. I would actually whish
> >> > that if you have time, you could bring some of those improvement
> >> > back to Elementary theme actually. Quick question, did you use
> >> > Eflete to actually do the change themself ? :-)
> >> >
> >> > > We are remade the navigation by groups, switch between the part
> >> > > state made more easier. Each group open in the separately tab,
> >> > > so now you can edit several groups at one time. In the demo
> >> > > mode possible set the differential content to swallow:
> >> > > rectangle, image or Elementary widget.
> >> > > Also removed the warning and error popups - now if action not
> >> > > available the widget disabled, or highlighted to red.
> >> > >
> >> > > And many another changes. So download, install - enjoy it!
> >> >
> >> > It is really starting to be a very serious edje editor. Nicely
> >> > done. I am not a designer myself, so I should get some of my
> >> > friends to try it, but the main issue they would face I guess is
> >> > the lack of documentation. Maybe not documentation, but video
> >> > tutorial showing how to customize your own button/spinner/... As
> >> > what really eflete lack at this point is public awareness. Anyone
> >> > working on doing there own Elementary theme, should really play
> >> > with this tool and packager should really provide it with efl !
> >> >
> >> > Really a cool job ! Congrats to everyone, guys :-)
> >>
> >> Actually.. that's not a bad idea... we already have the elm_player
> >> - why not include video tutorials WITH eflete and just have them
> >> in a menu/dialog so people can just browse through without dealing
> >> with youtube ads or whatever. :) if you dont want to put them in
> >> the git and install tree - just point the player to a url
> >> guaranteed to always have the video there. (download.e.org?)
> >
> > So long as those video tutorials don't require you to copy text out
> > of them.  Why not text tutorials?  Takes up waaay less space, and
> > probably more useful to more people.
> 
> Eflete is 100% graphical. There is very little text you could type,
> test it ;-)

OK, so my first sentence is irrelevant.  Still doesn't answer the
question.  Videos are harder to make, take up a huge amount of space,
and are harder to use.  I have never seen their appeal for things like
software tutorials, except that it's the TV and youtube generations,
reading is too hard.

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Re: [e-users] Eflete v0.6.0 release

[David Seikel]

On Fri, 19 Feb 2016 09:32:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016 16:24:14 -0800 Cedric BAIL 
> said:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 11:23 PM, Viacheslav Reutskiy
> >  wrote:
> > > Today I'm glad to announce a new version of Eflete.
> > 
> > Cool stuff !
> > 
> > > This release is very hard for Eflete team, because we
> > > remade almost all UX behavior.
> > 
> > Yes, I am noticing this look really clean. I would actually whish
> > that if you have time, you could bring some of those improvement
> > back to Elementary theme actually. Quick question, did you use
> > Eflete to actually do the change themself ? :-)
> > 
> > > We are remade the navigation by groups, switch between the part
> > > state made more easier. Each group open in the separately tab, so
> > > now you can edit several groups at one time. In the demo mode
> > > possible set the differential content to swallow: rectangle, image
> > > or Elementary widget.
> > > Also removed the warning and error popups - now if action not
> > > available the widget disabled, or highlighted to red.
> > >
> > > And many another changes. So download, install - enjoy it!
> > 
> > It is really starting to be a very serious edje editor. Nicely
> > done. I am not a designer myself, so I should get some of my
> > friends to try it, but the main issue they would face I guess is
> > the lack of documentation. Maybe not documentation, but video
> > tutorial showing how to customize your own button/spinner/... As
> > what really eflete lack at this point is public awareness. Anyone
> > working on doing there own Elementary theme, should really play
> > with this tool and packager should really provide it with efl !
> > 
> > Really a cool job ! Congrats to everyone, guys :-)
> 
> Actually.. that's not a bad idea... we already have the elm_player -
> why not include video tutorials WITH eflete and just have them in a
> menu/dialog so people can just browse through without dealing with
> youtube ads or whatever. :) if you dont want to put them in the git
> and install tree - just point the player to a url guaranteed to
> always have the video there. (download.e.org?)

So long as those video tutorials don't require you to copy text out of
them.  Why not text tutorials?  Takes up waaay less space, and probably
more useful to more people.

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Re: [e-users] all terminals get killed together

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2016 16:52:50 +1100 Dave  wrote:

>  I'm not familiar with lxterminal, but I just did a lookup on it, and
> it was just as I suspected.
> 
>  http://wiki.lxde.org/en/LXTerminal
> 
>  All instances of this terminal share the one process.  Hence, if you
> kill that process, you kill all terminals.  Not much that
> Enlightenment can do about that.

While this is true, EFL devs did do something about it, they invented
terminology, an EFL based terminal program.  B-)

Something like screen or tmux might help as well.  The terminals will
still close, but your terminal session is still saved.

>  In the year 2016, of the month of February, on the 8th day,
> Christopher Barry wrote:
> > Hey, this may not be e specific, but I've been noticing something
> > for a while now that I don't remember functioning this way, namely
> > if I right-click the window close button and kill an x-terminal
> > that's not responding, ALL of the open x-terminals are killed. Is
> > this an x-terminal thing?
> > 
> > Anyone know why this is happening (or if it always worked like this
> > and I never noticed)? I use debian's e17 and lxterminal.

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Re: [e-users] Gstreamer-1.0

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:51:41 +0100 Stefan Schmidt
 wrote:

> Hello
> 
> On 20/01/16 17:35, Larry Wyble wrote:
> > I'm sorry I looked again and I have gstreamer 0.10.36 installed but
> > the question remains. I have upgraded gstreamer in the past and
> > broken everything else on my computer that depends on it. Am I goin
> > to have to upgrade gstreamer and all the other programs that depend
> > on it? As I recall from past episodes (which I admit were a while
> > back) this turned out to be a major pain in the butt.
> 
> You can still disable gstreamer 1.x and use 0.1x
> 
> [stefan@workmachine efl]$ ./configure --help | grep gstreamer
>--enable-gstreamer  enable gstreamer 0.10 support.
> [default=disabled] --disable-gstreamer1disable gstreamer 1.0
> support. [default=enabled]
> 
> Not sure how many people are still testing this so. Just as a warning.

I use it daily, and I ignore Raster when he tells me it's too old.  Oh
there he goes again.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] EFL + Enlightenment from git: settings panel is empty

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 18 Nov 2015 07:10:52 +1030 Simon Lees <si...@simotek.net> wrote:

> 
> 
> On 11/17/2015 08:05 PM, David Seikel wrote:
> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:07:26 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:34:06 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com>
> >> said:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:56:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The
> >>> Rasterman) <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:56:13 + pietran...@gmail.com (Stefano
> >>>> M.) said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I build EFL and Enlightenment from git using the PKGBUILD files
> >>>>> provided.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I currently have installed:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> - enlightenment-git 0.19.99.20768.64ceff5-1
> >>>>> - efl-git 1.16.99.32217.69a8de5-1
> >>>>> - elementary-git 1.16.99.12276.779b834-1
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The system works OK, but when I open the Enlightenment settings
> >>>>> panel the window is empty or it shows a snapshot of whatever is
> >>>>> in the background (e.g. web browser). This happens with any
> >>>>> Enlightenment setting window: screen blanking, window remembers,
> >>>>> etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Any ideas of what might be causing this? I will be happy to
> >>>>> provide you with more information if you need.
> >>>> actually... do you have a "hybrid graphics" system? like nvidia +
> >>>> intel or ati
> >>>> + intel? just a hunch...
> >>> It's possible to have such a graphics system and not know about
> >>> it. For instance nVidia GTX xxxM (where xxx is a normal nVidia
> >>> graphics system model), have an Intel chip as the front end.
> >>> These are called Optimus, and are made mostly for laptops.  The
> >>> idea being that if you don't need the grunt of the nVidia side of
> >>> things, they just run the Intel side of things, using less power,
> >>> making your battery life longer.  The "M" at the end is a dead
> >>> give away, even if otherwise never mentioned.
> >> lspci ... you'd know it. intel graphics and nvidia graphics - most
> >> likely. :) i actually don't have any laptop with hybrid gfx. so all
> >> my systems work. the other guy who has such issues does have a
> >> hybrid system - it works on all his other machines except this one.
> >>
> >> i am wondering if this is the pattern. as such we don't drive or
> >> have much to do with the actual back-end of this. we deal with
> >> glx+gl or egl+gles - what it runs on is below this layer. though
> >> we do bypass down to this layer for vsync events (direct to drm
> >> device).
> >>
> >> right now i am trying to find out what is common among those with
> >> this problem, as i see zero issues on any machine i have - across 3
> >> different intel systems (with different cpu/gpu types and
> >> generations), an ati machine (pure ati - an old core 2 duo laptop)
> >> and 2 nvidia desktops. zero issues. :/
> >>
> >> i can keep hunting. i can try my other nvidia laptop where it
> >> actually uses nouveau drivers ... but i suspect it'll work too.
> > I have an ASUS ROG GR6 on my desk, with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX
> > 960M.  The only device I have with one of those hybrid graphics
> > systems.  It belongs to a client, with Windows 8.1 on it, and it
> > wont be getting any other OS installed on it.  So I can't test out
> > Enlightenment on it.
> If you have a spare USB3 Flash drive you could always put a Linux
> image on it and test from there, Yes its the crazy world where in
> where my PC will boot faster off a flash drive I plug in then its
> (HDD)

Plus some time to actually do this would help.  As I mentioned below,
time to play with this machine wont happen until after this project is
complete, and only if I actually buy this ROG.

> > It's likely that after this project is finished, I might buy it from
> > the client, to be used as a Windows development box for my virtual
> > world work (which is what the client has me doing anyway).  Then
> > I'll be getting EFL running on it under Windows (not something the
> > client wants), and I could dual boot it into Linux at that time to
> > help out with this, if i

Re: [e-users] EFL + Enlightenment from git: settings panel is empty

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 18:07:26 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
<ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 13:34:06 +1000 David Seikel <onef...@gmail.com>
> said:
> 
> > On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:56:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
> > <ras...@rasterman.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:56:13 + pietran...@gmail.com (Stefano
> > > M.) said:
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > I build EFL and Enlightenment from git using the PKGBUILD files
> > > > provided.
> > > > 
> > > > I currently have installed:
> > > > 
> > > > - enlightenment-git 0.19.99.20768.64ceff5-1
> > > > - efl-git 1.16.99.32217.69a8de5-1
> > > > - elementary-git 1.16.99.12276.779b834-1
> > > > 
> > > > The system works OK, but when I open the Enlightenment settings
> > > > panel the window is empty or it shows a snapshot of whatever is
> > > > in the background (e.g. web browser). This happens with any
> > > > Enlightenment setting window: screen blanking, window remembers,
> > > > etc.
> > > > 
> > > > Any ideas of what might be causing this? I will be happy to
> > > > provide you with more information if you need.
> > > 
> > > actually... do you have a "hybrid graphics" system? like nvidia +
> > > intel or ati
> > > + intel? just a hunch...
> > 
> > It's possible to have such a graphics system and not know about it.
> > For instance nVidia GTX xxxM (where xxx is a normal nVidia graphics
> > system model), have an Intel chip as the front end.  These are
> > called Optimus, and are made mostly for laptops.  The idea being
> > that if you don't need the grunt of the nVidia side of things, they
> > just run the Intel side of things, using less power, making your
> > battery life longer.  The "M" at the end is a dead give away, even
> > if otherwise never mentioned.
> 
> lspci ... you'd know it. intel graphics and nvidia graphics - most
> likely. :) i actually don't have any laptop with hybrid gfx. so all
> my systems work. the other guy who has such issues does have a hybrid
> system - it works on all his other machines except this one.
> 
> i am wondering if this is the pattern. as such we don't drive or have
> much to do with the actual back-end of this. we deal with glx+gl or
> egl+gles - what it runs on is below this layer. though we do bypass
> down to this layer for vsync events (direct to drm device).
> 
> right now i am trying to find out what is common among those with this
> problem, as i see zero issues on any machine i have - across 3
> different intel systems (with different cpu/gpu types and
> generations), an ati machine (pure ati - an old core 2 duo laptop)
> and 2 nvidia desktops. zero issues. :/
> 
> i can keep hunting. i can try my other nvidia laptop where it
> actually uses nouveau drivers ... but i suspect it'll work too.

I have an ASUS ROG GR6 on my desk, with an NVIDIA GeForce GTX 960M.  The
only device I have with one of those hybrid graphics systems.  It
belongs to a client, with Windows 8.1 on it, and it wont be getting
any other OS installed on it.  So I can't test out Enlightenment on it.

It's likely that after this project is finished, I might buy it from
the client, to be used as a Windows development box for my virtual
world work (which is what the client has me doing anyway).  Then I'll
be getting EFL running on it under Windows (not something the client
wants), and I could dual boot it into Linux at that time to help out
with this, if it's still needed.

I gotta be busy with this current contract though, tight deadline and a
lot of work to get through.

> :/ WHY does this happen?
> 
> > Oculus Rift developers are having a hard time with these, as Oculus
> > has dropped support for them, though laptops are popular for demos,
> > coz it's easier to carry one around.  I had a hard time with one,
> > before I discovered that the client will be using laptops for their
> > Rift stuff, so we decided to stick with the last Rift SDK that
> > supported nVidia Optimus.
> > 
> > I have no idea what the ATI versions are like.

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Re: [e-users] EFL + Enlightenment from git: settings panel is empty

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:56:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
 wrote:

> On Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:56:13 + pietran...@gmail.com (Stefano M.)
> said:
> 
> > 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > I build EFL and Enlightenment from git using the PKGBUILD files
> > provided.
> > 
> > I currently have installed:
> > 
> > - enlightenment-git 0.19.99.20768.64ceff5-1
> > - efl-git 1.16.99.32217.69a8de5-1
> > - elementary-git 1.16.99.12276.779b834-1
> > 
> > The system works OK, but when I open the Enlightenment settings
> > panel the window is empty or it shows a snapshot of whatever is in
> > the background (e.g. web browser). This happens with any
> > Enlightenment setting window: screen blanking, window remembers,
> > etc.
> > 
> > Any ideas of what might be causing this? I will be happy to provide
> > you with more information if you need.
> 
> actually... do you have a "hybrid graphics" system? like nvidia +
> intel or ati
> + intel? just a hunch...

It's possible to have such a graphics system and not know about it.
For instance nVidia GTX xxxM (where xxx is a normal nVidia graphics
system model), have an Intel chip as the front end.  These are called
Optimus, and are made mostly for laptops.  The idea being that if you
don't need the grunt of the nVidia side of things, they just run the
Intel side of things, using less power, making your battery life
longer.  The "M" at the end is a dead give away, even if otherwise
never mentioned.

Oculus Rift developers are having a hard time with these, as Oculus has
dropped support for them, though laptops are popular for demos, coz
it's easier to carry one around.  I had a hard time with one, before I
discovered that the client will be using laptops for their Rift stuff,
so we decided to stick with the last Rift SDK that supported nVidia
Optimus.

I have no idea what the ATI versions are like.

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Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[David Seikel]

On Fri, 16 Oct 2015 10:55:43 +0300 Markus Törnqvist <m...@nysv.org>
wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:01:37PM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:54:44 +1100 Dave <d...@flex.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >>  In the year 2015, of the month of October, on the 15th day, Markus
> >> Törnqvist wrote:
> >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >> > >I would have thought something that starts with
> >> > >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually
> >> > >knows what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented
> >> > >at the source level.
> 
> >> > Well, yeah, but... What is it for?
> 
> >>  Are you sure you want to know?  Can you handle the truth?!
> 
> >>  Well, OK ... it sets a variable called "really_know", in E's main
> >> function, to a boolean true value.
> 
> >>  There, the truth is out now.  Remember, with great knowledge,
> >> comes great responsibility.
> >
> >lol
> >
> >Actually, what it does is to enable a bunch of stuff that might be
> >still alpha API, hence the need to really know what you are doing.
> >It
> 
> Ah, nice, thanks for the reply :)
> 
> Wonder what the psychotic switches are for then :)
> 
> [...]
> >--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-
> >
> >(deep breath before I say the rest of the name)
> >
> >break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aaa
> >
> >The -aaa bit at the end is to outwit people that set this then
> >forget about it.  It gets changed every now and then, which breaks
> >the build, so these people then have to figure out why, and get
> >reminded that they have it turned on, and what they should do about
> >it if other stuff breaks.  Might prompt them to turn it off, long
> >after they needed it.
> 
> This is an interesting approach. Basic dogma says software developers
> should be real professional and document their switches and all that,
> but I suppose Enlightenment has gotten enough standing with the
> DIY-minded crowd that this is warranted.
> 
> >In my case, I use alpha APIs coz I'm developing a 3D application that
> >uses the new EO and Evas_3D stuff.  This is a huge project that wont
> >be
> 
> Can you tell more about it? ;)

https://github.com/onefang/SledjHamr is a reboot of the Second Life /
OpenSim server and client.  Written from scratch using EFL, C, and Lua.

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Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:54:44 +1100 Dave <d...@flex.com.au> wrote:

>  In the year 2015, of the month of October, on the 15th day, Markus
> Törnqvist wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> > >I would have thought something that starts with
> > >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually
> > >knows what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented at
> > >the source level.
> > 
> > Well, yeah, but... What is it for?
> 
>  Are you sure you want to know?  Can you handle the truth?!
> 
>  Well, OK ... it sets a variable called "really_know", in E's main
> function, to a boolean true value.
> 
>  There, the truth is out now.  Remember, with great knowledge, comes
> great responsibility.

lol

Actually, what it does is to enable a bunch of stuff that might be
still alpha API, hence the need to really know what you are doing.  It
also enables some legacy stuff that might have bit rotted.  Coz using
these APIs might break things, hence the second part of that really long
name that I left off, coz it doesn't fit neatly into a single email
line. The complete name is -

--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-

(deep breath before I say the rest of the name)

break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aaa

The -aaa bit at the end is to outwit people that set this then
forget about it.  It gets changed every now and then, which breaks the
build, so these people then have to figure out why, and get reminded
that they have it turned on, and what they should do about it if other
stuff breaks.  Might prompt them to turn it off, long after they needed
it.

In my case, I use alpha APIs coz I'm developing a 3D application that
uses the new EO and Evas_3D stuff.  This is a huge project that wont be
useful until after these APIs become stable, coz it will take that long
to write.  I also use some legacy stuff.  I fall into the classification
of "I really know what I'm doing" coz I'm one of the EFL developers.
On the other hand, I don't have to "send patches", I have commit rights.
Though if it's an area I'm not so familiar with, and the patch isn't
trivial, I'll likely send a patch to the relevant developer/s.

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Re: [e-users] e16 question

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 12:24:32 -0500 Larry Wyble 
wrote:

> I am planning on installing e16 on a chromebook with ubuntu installed
> which has 16 gigs drive space (actually about 11.5 gigs now) and since
> I am so limited with space I would like to know the bare essentials
> needed for the e16 install. I am pretty sure I need the EFL, I say
> pretty sure because I have always had the EFL installed on my main
> computers and never really had to know what e16 requirements are, if I
> installed e16 it just worked.  :)
> But is there any other requirement for e16? And since there is a .deb
> package for efl 1.7.9 would this be good enough for e16 newest version
> Or should I build from source and package for .deb? 

Last time I checked, EFL is for e17 and beyond, not e16.  So that
answers that part of your question.  Dunno what other dependencies e16
has off the top of my head, sorry.

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Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 14 Oct 2015 10:56:04 +0300 Markus Törnqvist <m...@nysv.org>
wrote:

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:43:32AM +1000, David Seikel wrote:
> >
> >I do a local build from git master every release under Ubuntu 12.04.
> >On the other hand, I don't care so much about mounting USB drives
> >automatically, and I use the dreaded -
> >
> > --enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-break...
> 
> Is this and -good/-evil/-psychotic documented anywhere?
> 
> Switches like that are on the border of "not cool" anyway, but it'd be
> interesting to know what they're about.
> 

I would have thought something that starts with
"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually knows
what they are doing.  Deep magic that is only documented at the source
level.  -good/-evil/-psychotic is deliberately NOT documented anywhere,
Rasters little joke.  Ask him.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 13 Oct 2015 20:41:01 +0100 Peter Flynn 
wrote:

> On 13/10/15 13:46, Markus Törnqvist wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:27:56AM -0700, pe...@silmaril.ie wrote:
> >>
> >> The Ubuntu repos only have e17 anyway, so for end-users like me
> >> there is no choice.
> >
> > Nice, didn't know it's packaged!
> 
> I don't think e18/19/20 are available as packages.
> 
> > Umm, I dunno, it builds just fine on Debian Stable.
> 
> Quite possibly, but not on Ubuntu 14.04. Haven't tried 15.04 yet, I'm
> waiting for a sacrificial machine to become available.

I do a local build from git master every release under Ubuntu 12.04.
On the other hand, I don't care so much about mounting USB drives
automatically, and I use the dreaded -

 --enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-break...

configuration option, so not suitable for a package build.  For what it
is worth, my build script is in EFL's git at -

admin/devs/developers/onefang/build_efl.lua

Probably entirely useless to you.

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Re: [e-users] e19 configurability and livespan

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 22:47:57 +0200 Daniel Christopher Würl
danielwu...@hotmail.de wrote:

 And completely unrelated, I wrote some dialogs in gtk-perl and feel
 like replacing them with elementary based ones. Obviously, there is no
 perl binding (or at least I could not find one), so I might use python
 for the beginning. In the long run C might be better suited, but all
 these pointers and very annoying hacks for not having a
 proper string-type have been keeping me away from that language. Does
 the EFL somehow ease the pain in that regard?

You could try Lua, EFL has built in support for Lua.

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Re: [e-users] e19 configurability and livespan

[David Seikel]

On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 12:35:56 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 03:19:07 +0200 Daniel Christopher Würl
 danielwu...@hotmail.de said:
 
  Hello,
  
  as a long-term e16 user who migrated to fvwm some eight months ago,
  I'm toying with the idea of installing e19.
  
  Since I currently run debian 8 this would be a time consuming task,
  so I'd like to ask some questions before I spend some hours in
  vein ;)
  
  How stable is the API / theming API ?
  I really love to create my own themes, but I'm not motivated to fix
  them over every minor revision. Same goes for EFL, I'm perfectly
  happy to hack together some tools I need, but I'm not ready to
  adapt them to a moving target all the time.
  
  How long does a release of enlightenment live ?
 
 there were some minor breaks (little things changed) between e17 and
 e18. we're keeping things stable since then though theme expands and
 thus there are new things to theme if you want a complete look, so
 over time it requires work anyway to keep up.
 
  Mostly part of above questions, but having to compile the whole
  efl / enlightenment stack every other month would be a bit
  off-putting.
 
 compiling efl is easy. if you bother once to write the procedure in a
 script and then just re-run it every time. the script clones/updates
 git repos and walks through n dirs re-building each one maybe with
 specific options. if you bother doing it just once for yourself, then
 everything after that is gravy. what that script has may vary from
 person to person, distro to distro, but the raw content of it is on
 the enlightenment.org docs on how to get/build e and efl. i scripted
 my builds so long ago i'ts not funny. i just don't get this oh but
 it's SOO hard line. it's an excuse for not having simply
 written down the commands in a script for yourself ONCE. i just use
 my scripts and for me it's:
 
 svup.sh
 rbe.sh
 
 (yes my svup.sh script was from svn days - i modified it for git - i
 have 2 as i want to update separately to building).

Many of the EFL developers have their own build script in git.  I
have one in the Enlightenment git at

https://git.enlightenment.org/admin/devs.git/tree/developers/onefang/build_efl.lua

Which tries to compile most of the stuff we host in git.  Other
developers have their build scripts in the admin/devs area of the git as
well.

 the biggest bit of work is getting your dependencies installed
 (once). that is the real work. not rebuilding or updating.

Yep, a build script wont help with that, as it's generally only done
once.  Most of the dependencies are listed on the
https://www.enlightenment.org/download page that includes basic build
instructions.

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Re: [e-users] SF SUCKS! WAS: Re: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[David Seikel]

I for one am seriously considering moving all my projects off SF, but
I'm not in a hurry, and I haven't actually made the final decision
yet.  So I give a +0.5 to the idea of moving.

Having spent a lot of 2013 and 2014 migrating two really large projects
TO SourceForge, I'm really not happy with them right now.

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 00:34:12 +0100 Bertrand Jacquin
bertr...@jacquin.bzh wrote:

 Hi,
 
 On 22/07/2015 14:27, Tom Hacohen wrote:
  Sourceforge has been unstable for the last few months, with a few
  weeks (like this one) of it being very unstable/unusable. The list
  wasn't working for a few days.
 
 Even when giving them money when random ads of every mails.
 
  We already have the infra for running
  our own ML, maybe it's time we switch?
 
 Everything is up and running and we have all the scripts to smoothly 
 migrate everyone with no need for users to subscribe again.
 
 
  Added our sysadmin beber to cc. Beber, anything to add?
 
 I would be more than happy for get ride of SF for emails.
 
 Let's do that. Give me a go and than can be done.
 
 Cheers
 
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  On 22/07/15 13:35, Paul Cartwright wrote:
  +1 I also had a bounce.
  Hey Carsten, with all the crap[1,2] sf is up to these days, and
  now this
  bounce for no good reason, don't you think it's really past time
  to ditch them as the list hosting service?
  
  [1]
  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/05/sourceforge-grabs-gimp-for-windows-account-wraps-installer-in-bundle-pushing-adware/
  
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Re: [e-users] user community guidelines (please reply to ALL)

[David Seikel]

On Fri, 19 Jun 2015 11:06:02 +0100 Tom Hacohen t...@osg.samsung.com
wrote:

 On 19/06/15 10:53, tokiclover wrote:
  Please, do *not* take this in the wrong way. I am only putting it
  this way because when some people feel some power, they can be
  compelled to... abusing it to satisfy some egostical pride or
  agenda.
 
  Without resorting to a kind of code of conflict[1] a la Linux kernel
  which ricks battle of power and influence with a Techincal Advisory
  Board that would play the Court/Judge.
 
 We currently have raster to be the judge, I think that's fine for
 now. If you strongly disagree, we could maybe consider forming a
 board, but I think that it's unnecessary at this point. Especially
 since we are a relatively (to the Kernel) small community.

Different control structures work for different projects.  A benevolent
dictator is a valid control structure for open source projects that can
work very well.  EFL and Enlightenment have always been run under
Rasters benevolent dictatorship.  As a long standing EFL developer, I'm
personally happy with that.  I really doubt Raster would ever abuse
that power.

On the other hand I have seen people try to take over a project run by
a benevolent dictator, by trying to implement democracy and
committees, but they where doing this purely for their own egotistical
pride or agenda.  Nothing good came of that.

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] wiki/www - help?

[David Seikel]

On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 16:36:06 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 08:27:44 +0100 Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Saturday 13 Jun 2015 03:59:18 Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   and yes - i've tried googles control panel. i manually
   
 submitted a bunch of urls/pages (but not the url above), so
 thats' the only reason they got indexed. gogole simply isn't
 spidering. :(
  
  If you have a robots.txt or site.xml at the webroot, have you
  checked there is no clash there?
 
 https://www.enlightenment.org/robots.txt
 
 User-agent: *
 Allow: /
 
 there is no site.xml ... or might it be that dokuwiki turns site.xml
 into a this topic doesnt exist page... ? does that mess things up?
 (dokuwiki turns any unknown page into that this doesnt exist yet
 allowing you to create it)
 

I have no idea if this is relevant here, just stumbled across it today -

http://landley.net/notes.html#06-05-2015

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Re: [e-users] Recording sound and video from a window in Enlightenment.

[David Seikel]

On Fri, 5 Jun 2015 08:54:50 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Thu, 4 Jun 2015 15:25:33 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  I have a need to record sound and video from a particular window.
  I've tried recordMyDesktop, but it can't handle specifying a
  particular window, though it claims to.  It might be some
  incompatibility with E19.  What happens is that I start it
  recording a particular window on a particular virtual desktop, but
  when I move to another virtual desktop, the recording moves with
  me, recording the other windows and desktops, instead of sticking
  with recording the given window.  Which makes it tricky for lengthy
  recordings when I want to go do other things while I wait.
  
  Now I know E could handle that to an extent, the pager shows real
  time video of the correct window no matter what I do.  So I figure
  half the functionality is in there somewhere.  Would be good if the
  other half was in a module or something.  I can't find any such
  module though, and I don't feel like writing one right now (got no
  time lol).
  
  I use Pulse for audio, and it would be great if it could record
  sound from a specific Pulse device.  I'd like to feed the the audio
  from the window to my headphone device, then mute the headphones.
  So I don't have to listen to it while recording, but can listen to
  other stuff, and the recording doesn't pick up the other stuff.
  RecordMyDesktop can deal with that, I tell Pulse to feed the
  monitor of my headphone device's output into recordMyDesktop.
  
  Does any one know about any other video recording software that
  will do what I need?  Preferably something that works fine under
  Ubuntu 12.04.
 
 nope - nothing here. and doing the video record isnt 1/2 the work.
 it's like 90%+ of it. then would also have to add the audio record
 too.

I meant that half the functionality of recording the video side is
there.  Pager already captures the video, still need to encode it and
save it.  But yes, pager doesn't do anything with the audio, and
neither does E, so would have to deal with that as well.

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Re: [e-users] Recording sound and video from a window in Enlightenment.

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 04 Jun 2015 15:24:04 +0200 Massimo Maiurana
maiur...@gmail.com wrote:

 It can be accomplished through audacity:
 http://manual.audacityteam.org/o/man/tutorial_recording_computer_playback_on_linux.html

That only handles the audio side of things.  And it doesn't do anything
I can't already do.  The problem is the video side.

 David Seikel ha scritto il 04/06/2015 alle 07:25:
  I have a need to record sound and video from a particular window.
  I've tried recordMyDesktop, but it can't handle specifying a
  particular window, though it claims to.  It might be some
  incompatibility with E19.  What happens is that I start it
  recording a particular window on a particular virtual desktop, but
  when I move to another virtual desktop, the recording moves with
  me, recording the other windows and desktops, instead of sticking
  with recording the given window.  Which makes it tricky for lengthy
  recordings when I want to go do other things while I wait.
  
  Now I know E could handle that to an extent, the pager shows real
  time video of the correct window no matter what I do.  So I figure
  half the functionality is in there somewhere.  Would be good if the
  other half was in a module or something.  I can't find any such
  module though, and I don't feel like writing one right now (got no
  time lol).
  
  I use Pulse for audio, and it would be great if it could record
  sound from a specific Pulse device.  I'd like to feed the the audio
  from the window to my headphone device, then mute the headphones.
  So I don't have to listen to it while recording, but can listen to
  other stuff, and the recording doesn't pick up the other stuff.
  RecordMyDesktop can deal with that, I tell Pulse to feed the
  monitor of my headphone device's output into recordMyDesktop.
  
  Does any one know about any other video recording software that
  will do what I need?  Preferably something that works fine under
  Ubuntu 12.04.
  


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[e-users] Recording sound and video from a window in Enlightenment.

[David Seikel]

I have a need to record sound and video from a particular window.  I've
tried recordMyDesktop, but it can't handle specifying a particular
window, though it claims to.  It might be some incompatibility with
E19.  What happens is that I start it recording a particular window on
a particular virtual desktop, but when I move to another virtual
desktop, the recording moves with me, recording the other windows and
desktops, instead of sticking with recording the given window.  Which
makes it tricky for lengthy recordings when I want to go do other things
while I wait.

Now I know E could handle that to an extent, the pager shows real
time video of the correct window no matter what I do.  So I figure half
the functionality is in there somewhere.  Would be good if the other
half was in a module or something.  I can't find any such module
though, and I don't feel like writing one right now (got no time lol).

I use Pulse for audio, and it would be great if it could record sound
from a specific Pulse device.  I'd like to feed the the audio from the
window to my headphone device, then mute the headphones.  So I don't
have to listen to it while recording, but can listen to other stuff,
and the recording doesn't pick up the other stuff.  RecordMyDesktop can
deal with that, I tell Pulse to feed the monitor of my headphone
device's output into recordMyDesktop.

Does any one know about any other video recording software that will do
what I need?  Preferably something that works fine under Ubuntu 12.04.

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Re: [e-users] Terminology mute key clicks

[David Seikel]

On Fri, 20 Feb 2015 12:33:31 +1100 Dave d...@flex.com.au wrote:

  It would be nice to use pulseaudio per-app volume control for
 Terminology. Unfortunately, the audio connection is so fleeting, the
 pulseaudio mixer barely registers the app before it disappears from
 the list.
 
  Is this a known issue?  Anything on the todo for terminology?

That's just the way things are.  Pulse audio can only know that an app
is playing sound while the app is playing sound.  So if the app is only
playing a very short sound, like a key click, then pulse audio can only
show it for the duration of that click, likely less than one second.
Same thing happens on ANY app playing short sounds.

Even apps that play long sounds, for instance a music player, will only
show up in pulse for the duration of that piece of music.  And will go
away if you stop the music but don't stop the app.

Not really anything any of these apps can do about that.  Pulse can't
know that any particular app will play sound until that app plays a
sound.  When the app stops playing sound, there's nothing to control
the volume for, so pulse removes the volume controls.

  In the year 2015, of the month of February, on the 19th day, Tom
 Hacohen wrote:
  On 19/02/15 10:31, Francesc Guasch wrote:
   Hi. I am using Terminology-0.8.0. I love it but I can't manage
   to disable the audio key clicks. And they are loud.
  
   At the preferences - video settings I have checked:
  
   Video muted
   Audio visalized
  
   Also in Behaviour I have unchecked
  
   Bell rings
   Urgent Bell
  
   I don't know what else to try. What am I missing ?
  
   thank you.
  
  Run elementary_config and disable the sounds there.
  
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Re: [e-users] menus stalling when trying to select them

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 3 Feb 2015 19:51:50 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote:

 Wow, I've never noticed this (or didn't wanted to?)
 
 I've noticed that when I highligh a menu and the submenu doesn't
 appear, if I move the cursor out of the menu and put it again IN THE
 SAME highlighted menu, the submenu still doesn't appear. It does if I
 select another submenu.
 
 
 +1 for 'you are (not) alone' :P
 
 2015-02-03 18:40 GMT-03:00 Peter Flynn pe...@silmaril.ie:
 
  On 02/03/2015 01:23 AM, Conrad Hill-Knight wrote:
   Hi,
  
   This is something that's been bothering me for a while, and i
   think i just have something misconfigured. When i left-click on
   the desktop to bring up the main enlightenment menu, sometimes
   (often, actually) it stalls. [snip]
 
  You Are Not Alone™ :-)
 
  This is a very common occurrence in all Linux interfaces I have
  used. I *believe* it's because the loading of entry names, icons,
  paths, etc is done at the time your cursor hovers on the menu (aka
  in real time, just-in-time, etc), and it take a lot of cycles
  to retrieve and present the data.

The FreeDesktop.Org (FDO) specifications for how to deal with menus of
applications is hideously and overly complex crap.  Linux desktop
systems have to deal with that.  It's hard to cache as well, new
applications can be added at any time with no reboot needed.  The
Enlightenment implementation leaves a lot to be desired.

On the other hand, there appears to be some bugs with the Enlightenment
menu system.  This sort of freeze / stall shouldn't happen outside of
the Applications menu, coz only that menu relies on FDO crap.  In
particular I often see problems with the Settings menu, sometimes it
never shows, I have to put the menu away and try again.

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Re: [e-users] need for gconf*, {g}dbus, gvfsd-*

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 14:04:55 -0500 Christopher Barry
christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 19:25:35 +0100
 thomasg tho...@gstaedtner.net wrote:
 
 On Tue, Jan 27, 2015 at 7:10 PM, Christopher Barry
 christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
  Greetings,
 
  I do not use GNOME at all. Is there a reason I need to have any of
  the subjects items on my system (and running) to run enlightenment?
 
 There is not.
 However, you probably are using gnome and just are not aware of it. A
 lot of applications do use gnome infrastructure and will start the
 gnome services. Feel free to remove those files, but don't wonder if
 they magically reappear at some point.
 If E is configured to start some of those services, it will do so
 even without any gnome applications running, so you'd have to
 disable that (in Config-Apps-Desktop Environments) as well.
 However, having that stuff around usually doesn't hurt either.
 
 --
 thomasg
 
 
 
 OK, so if I just want to stare at a blank desktop, remove 'em.
 gotcha :)

The same likely applies to KDE applications as well.  Gnome and KDE are
the two most popular, and thus lots of software use their toolkits.  We
just need to write more EFL apps.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] make uninstall

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On Tue, 27 Jan 2015 05:48:12 -0500 John Holland jholl...@vin-dit.org
wrote:

 Does that require some setting change so that other apps using efl
 etc know to look there for libraries? Not sure what it would be,
 something like ldconfig or ld.so in /etc ?? 

Yep, depends on your OS, but in my case I have a file
in /etc/ld.so.conf.d called efl.conf that contains -

/opt/efl/lib

On Jan 27, 2015, at 12:03 AM, Martinx - ジェームズ
thiagocmarti...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 26 January 2015 at 23:34, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
  
  Some of us when compiling from source will install it into
  something like /opt/efl so uninstalling it all becomes as simple
  as -
  
  sudo rm -fr /opt/efl
  
  Though typically I'll move that to /opt/efl_SAVED when compiling a
  new version, in case something goes terribly wrong.
  
  
  That's true! It can not be simpler than that!   :-D

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Re: [e-users] make uninstall

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Some of us when compiling from source will install it into something
like /opt/efl so uninstalling it all becomes as simple as - 

sudo rm -fr /opt/efl

Though typically I'll move that to /opt/efl_SAVED when compiling a new
version, in case something goes terribly wrong.

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Re: [e-users] mixer ?

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BTW John, DAC stands for Digital to Analogue Converter.  Any computer
sound has to go through a DAC to produce analogue sound.  Your ears are
analogue, and can't accept a digital signal.  So DACs aren't anything
special.  Motherboard sound uses DACs, as does any USB sound device.

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:25:14 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 Looks like a nice player :) I think the optical out is a digital
 signal. As far as the difference in sound with my external dac, to be
 honest it's hard to say. I'd like to think that it would sound better
 than the dac included on the computer main board. I think it sounds
 better, but to say for sure you'd need to do some A-B-X testing I
 suppose. I'm happy with the setup though. I really needed the O2 amp
 to drive the Beyer headphones, even though they are 250 ohm, not the
 600 ohm.

Typical sound on motherboards doesn't shield the analogue side of
things from all the electrical noise inside the computer.  So it's
usual to hear a variety of horrid little sounds, clicks, buzzes, pops,
if you listen carefully to typical motherboard sound.  Typical USB
based sound is outside of the computer, and thus tend to be shielded
enough to not pick up all that noise.  Try listening to silence or
quiet tracks with headphones.  YMMV

 I also have the eMixer working, sitting on my shelf :) It works 
 perfectly! I haven't tried any of the other settings, just using the 
 master channel.
 
 
 On 12/23/2014 03:23 PM, John Holland wrote:
  I have a fiio X3 but I've only used it as a portable music player.
  It says it can be a dac though. Is an optical audio signal digital
  data or analog? Do you perceive the difference in sound from using
  the dac?
 
  Also you know I was able to get the enlightenment mixer to work
  with Alsa by installing libasound2-dev before compiling e.
 
  On December 23, 2014 3:10:57 PM EST, mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
  wrote:
  I plug the dac into the front usb port, then dac output into the
  amp. To
  play cds or music files, I usually use Audacious. Connect the dac
  first,
  then start Audacious. Then, set Audacious pcm device setting for
  the dac, use the default mixer device.
 
  For system audio, like Firefox, youtube etc, there is the
  /etc/asound.conf file. In it there are two lines that identify the
  default audio card to use. Normal system default is 0, my dac is 3:
 
  defaults.ctl.card 3
  defaults.pcm.card 3
 
  As I plug and unplug the dac it will change from 0 to 3 and back
  and the
  system audio will change from the computer speakers to the the dac.
 
 
  On 12/23/2014 02:01 PM, John Holland wrote:
  Is that something that is built into a desktop?
 
  On December 23, 2014 11:00:49 AM EST, mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
  wrote:
  I have a JDS Labs ObjectiveDAC and pair it with the JDS
  Objective2 headphone amp. Beyer DT990 phones.
 
 
  On 12/23/2014 10:54 AM, John Holland wrote:
  What do you use for a dac?
 
  On December 23, 2014 9:52:08 AM EST, mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
  wrote:
  On 12/23/2014 09:12 AM, marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de wrote:
  Hi!
 
  On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:59:40PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler
  wrote:
  On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 08:54:38 -0500 mhmhe...@member.fsf.org
  said:
  On 12/23/2014 01:11 AM, Pierre Couderc wrote:
  Le 23/12/2014 00:19, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) a
  écrit
  :
  likely alsa will get dropped and current mixer replaced by
  epulse.
  Fine !
 
  sorry to hear that!
  mixer isnt in great shape, and alsa is definitely less used
  than
  pulse. and
  epulse is very solid and working well - so less bugs. it is
  far
  more
  fully
  featured.
 
  if people have a problem with this, then it may be an idea to
  get
  up
  and get
  your hands dirty. :)
 
  There is a abstraction layer for backends in epulse, and as
  far
  as
  I
  know there is a alsa backend, currently it is in a branch,
  but it
  works,
  I run it a long time :)
 
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Re: [e-users] mixer ?

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:16:44 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:55:38 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  BTW John, DAC stands for Digital to Analogue Converter.  Any
  computer sound has to go through a DAC to produce analogue sound.
  Your ears are analogue, and can't accept a digital signal.  So DACs
  aren't anything special.  Motherboard sound uses DACs, as does any
  USB sound device.
  
  On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:25:14 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:
  
   Looks like a nice player :) I think the optical out is a digital
   signal. As far as the difference in sound with my external dac,
   to be honest it's hard to say. I'd like to think that it would
   sound better than the dac included on the computer main board. I
   think it sounds better, but to say for sure you'd need to do some
   A-B-X testing I suppose. I'm happy with the setup though. I
   really needed the O2 amp to drive the Beyer headphones, even
   though they are 250 ohm, not the 600 ohm.
  
  Typical sound on motherboards doesn't shield the analogue side of
  things from all the electrical noise inside the computer.  So it's
  usual to hear a variety of horrid little sounds, clicks, buzzes,
  pops, if you listen carefully to typical motherboard sound.
  Typical USB based sound is outside of the computer, and thus tend
  to be shielded enough to not pick up all that noise.  Try listening
  to silence or quiet tracks with headphones.  YMMV
 
 maybe i have just gotten lucky machine after machine year after
 year... or you have just been unlucky... but i have never had
 unshielded analogue lines on any pc or laptop i have had. never heard
 a buzz or clicks, bings, beeps, clicks, ticks or anything. indeed you
 are right - unshielded analogue lines will indeed inherit
 interference from general electric signals from the motherboard - but
 i've never heard it...

The interference on my desktop motherboards built in sound was only an
issue when I got my fancy RIG mixer and headphones.  It's still fine on
the desktop speakers unless I crank it up, but for headphone usage I use
USB audio.

The interference on a certain model of embedded board I've been using
is so horrible that my client has exchanged strong words with the
manufacturer.  I put some workarounds into the software, but it makes
loud clicks and pops while booting up, something I can't work around.
The previous model we used worked fine, but they don't sell that one
any more.

Built in sound on motherboards is like built in graphics on
motherboards, half the time it's crap, but good enough for most people.

 i HAVE heard it from a phone if near enough to the headphone or
 speaker cables in the past. though that seems to have stopped these
 days of glorious lte-a :)

The frequencies of lots of stuff is moving up.  Even low frequency
harmonics are moving out of the audio range, making this sort of
interference less of a problem as the years go by.

   I also have the eMixer working, sitting on my shelf :) It works 
   perfectly! I haven't tried any of the other settings, just using
   the master channel.
   
   
   On 12/23/2014 03:23 PM, John Holland wrote:
I have a fiio X3 but I've only used it as a portable music
player. It says it can be a dac though. Is an optical audio
signal digital data or analog? Do you perceive the difference
in sound from using the dac?
   
Also you know I was able to get the enlightenment mixer to work
with Alsa by installing libasound2-dev before compiling e.
   
On December 23, 2014 3:10:57 PM EST, mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
wrote:
I plug the dac into the front usb port, then dac output into
the amp. To
play cds or music files, I usually use Audacious. Connect the
dac first,
then start Audacious. Then, set Audacious pcm device setting
for the dac, use the default mixer device.
   
For system audio, like Firefox, youtube etc, there is the
/etc/asound.conf file. In it there are two lines that identify
the default audio card to use. Normal system default is 0, my
dac is 3:
   
defaults.ctl.card 3
defaults.pcm.card 3
   
As I plug and unplug the dac it will change from 0 to 3 and
back and the
system audio will change from the computer speakers to the the
dac.
   
   
On 12/23/2014 02:01 PM, John Holland wrote:
Is that something that is built into a desktop?
   
On December 23, 2014 11:00:49 AM EST, mh
mhe...@member.fsf.org
wrote:
I have a JDS Labs ObjectiveDAC and pair it with the JDS
Objective2 headphone amp. Beyer DT990 phones.
   
   
On 12/23/2014 10:54 AM, John Holland wrote:
What do you use for a dac?
   
On December 23, 2014 9:52:08 AM EST, mh
mhe...@member.fsf.org
wrote:
On 12/23/2014 09:12 AM, marcel-hollerb...@t-online.de
wrote:
Hi!
   
On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 10:59:40PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler
wrote:
On Tue, 23

Re: [e-users] mixer ?

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 19:24:21 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 On 12/23/2014 06:58 PM, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 10:01:25 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
  said:
 
  On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:16:44 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 
  On Wed, 24 Dec 2014 08:55:38 +1000 David Seikel
  onef...@gmail.com said:
 
  BTW John, DAC stands for Digital to Analogue Converter.  Any
  computer sound has to go through a DAC to produce analogue sound.
  Your ears are analogue, and can't accept a digital signal.  So
  DACs aren't anything special.  Motherboard sound uses DACs, as
  does any USB sound device.
 
  On Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:25:14 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
  wrote:
 
  Looks like a nice player :) I think the optical out is a digital
  signal. As far as the difference in sound with my external dac,
  to be honest it's hard to say. I'd like to think that it would
  sound better than the dac included on the computer main board. I
  think it sounds better, but to say for sure you'd need to do
  some A-B-X testing I suppose. I'm happy with the setup though. I
  really needed the O2 amp to drive the Beyer headphones, even
  though they are 250 ohm, not the 600 ohm.
  Typical sound on motherboards doesn't shield the analogue side of
  things from all the electrical noise inside the computer.  So
  it's usual to hear a variety of horrid little sounds, clicks,
  buzzes, pops, if you listen carefully to typical motherboard
  sound. Typical USB based sound is outside of the computer, and
  thus tend to be shielded enough to not pick up all that noise.
  Try listening to silence or quiet tracks with headphones.  YMMV
  maybe i have just gotten lucky machine after machine year after
  year... or you have just been unlucky... but i have never had
  unshielded analogue lines on any pc or laptop i have had. never
  heard a buzz or clicks, bings, beeps, clicks, ticks or anything.
  indeed you are right - unshielded analogue lines will indeed
  inherit interference from general electric signals from the
  motherboard - but i've never heard it...
  The interference on my desktop motherboards built in sound was
  only an issue when I got my fancy RIG mixer and headphones.  It's
  still fine on the desktop speakers unless I crank it up, but for
  headphone usage I use USB audio.
  my speakers are not your regular shitty desktop speakers. and i
  spend good money on decent headphones too - analogue plugs on my
  machines. never heard the interference you speak of.
 
  The interference on a certain model of embedded board I've been
  using is so horrible that my client has exchanged strong words
  with the manufacturer.  I put some workarounds into the software,
  but it makes loud clicks and pops while booting up, something I
  can't work around. The previous model we used worked fine, but
  they don't sell that one any more.
  aaah but it's an embedded board - embedded is there to cut cost
  and/or size and power and thus... corners are cut invariably. :)
 
 There you go ;) The only remaining problem I have with the external 
 digital to analogue converter, amplifier, and audio signal to sound
 wave converter ( headphones ) is that some music recordings really
 sound horrible!

There's no accounting for taste, not something we can work around with
EFL.  B-)

  Built in sound on motherboards is like built in graphics on
  motherboards, half the time it's crap, but good enough for most
  people.
 
  i HAVE heard it from a phone if near enough to the headphone or
  speaker cables in the past. though that seems to have stopped
  these days of glorious lte-a :)
  The frequencies of lots of stuff is moving up.  Even low frequency
  harmonics are moving out of the audio range, making this sort of
  interference less of a problem as the years go by.
 
  I also have the eMixer working, sitting on my shelf :) It works
  perfectly! I haven't tried any of the other settings, just using
  the master channel.
 
 
  On 12/23/2014 03:23 PM, John Holland wrote:
  I have a fiio X3 but I've only used it as a portable music
  player. It says it can be a dac though. Is an optical audio
  signal digital data or analog? Do you perceive the difference
  in sound from using the dac?
 
  Also you know I was able to get the enlightenment mixer to work
  with Alsa by installing libasound2-dev before compiling e.
 
  On December 23, 2014 3:10:57 PM EST, mh mhe...@member.fsf.org
  wrote:
  I plug the dac into the front usb port, then dac output into
  the amp. To
  play cds or music files, I usually use Audacious. Connect the
  dac first,
  then start Audacious. Then, set Audacious pcm device setting
  for the dac, use the default mixer device.
 
  For system audio, like Firefox, youtube etc, there is the
  /etc/asound.conf file. In it there are two lines that identify
  the default audio card to use. Normal system default is 0, my
  dac is 3:
 
  defaults.ctl.card 3
  defaults.pcm.card 3

Re: [e-users] Region screenshot tool

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 9 Dec 2014 11:18:59 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Mon, 08 Dec 2014 19:57:24 +0100 Morten Nilsen mor...@runsafe.no
 said:
 
  Hello!
  
  I was hoping you guys might share how you've set up things to be
  able to take a screenshot of a region and share it quickly.
  
  The grab screenshot feature in e is nice, but after I added a 4k 
  monitor, I can't use it to take full desktop screenshots - but
  that's fine.
  
  What I want is the ability to quickly and easily grab a screenshot
  of a region I select and send a link to someone.
  
  On windows, I used some application that put a url in my clipboard,
  and that was nice.
  
  My fedora has a take screenshot app that seemed promising, but it 
  proved to be almost malware.
  
  Once I tried sharing, it require a zimagez username and password,
  and would not let me cancel.
  After I caved in and made a zimagez account, it turns out that
  website is a bit crap. More than a little.
  
  So, I was hoping someone knew of a way to get something elegant
  running with e. A scriptlet I could hook up to a hotkey, maybe?
 
 when i want this .. i just screenshot a window not the screen (in
 window menu of every window - clikc on its icon).

Hmmm, is a module needed for that?  I can't see any screenshot this
window in the menus.

 we could dd cropping to the screenshot module, but that feature isn't
 there right now. the alternative is to save to file, crop using gimp
 or something then share that image via imgur or other means...

If you are going to crop, or otherwise post process the screen shot,
using GIMP, just use GIMP to take the region / screen shot.  Saves a
step.  No idea if GIMP can handle 4K screens, I don't have one.  GIMP
can be scripted, but I've not tried, so no idea if this is a suitable
task for GIMP scripting.  Though sure, if all you want is a quick
screen grab and post to the web, GIMP might be overkill.

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Blog about EO

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On Sun, 17 Aug 2014 01:40:25 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
vini.ipsma...@gmail.com wrote:

 2014-08-17 1:24 GMT-03:00 Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com:
 
  compile-time for efl itself. you have to build it without checking.
  i'd advise
  against it because efll uses its own objects internally and if efl
  has a mistake in it you just nuked efl's own internal safety. i
  highly suggest not
  doing this.
 
  it may be that we remove the ability to compile without this check
  in the end
  as i an just see it now. gentoo ricers are going to add a use flag
  to turn this
  off and then we will get tonnes of stability complaints because the
  rest of us
  normal people run without turning the safety off.
 
  it's worth keeping this safety on. it doesn't cost much and is
  totally worth
  it.
 
 
 I'd like to see this checking disabled per call only, not globally.
 Then only bindings for safe languages would use it.
 
 I'll leave the safety checks turned on. They're worth. Also, EFL is
 for GUI only and heavy computing sensitive data can be implemented
 without negative impact by just not touching EFL (temporally).

I disagree with that.  Parts of EFL are not specific to GUI stuff, like
Eina data structures and the functions to manage them, logging, file
manipulation, executable running, etc.  Even EFL based thread support.
I use EFL in applications that don't have a GUI, using those sorts of
things.  In fact I do heavy computing using those EFL data structures
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Re: [e-users] econnman error

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On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 15:41:19 +0200 Massimo Maiurana
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 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman), il 02/08/2014 15:28, ha scritto:
  On Sat, 02 Aug 2014 09:13:07 +0200 Massimo Maiurana
  maiur...@gmail.com said:
  
  A question about econnman:
  Sometimes the econnman icon has a green dot and sometimes it has an
  orange dot, even with my own wlan that is, of course, always the
  same. If I understand it correctly it should be orange at low
  level connection and green after dhcp configuration, so maybe the
  icon is not updated after it is displayed the first time. What is
  the intended behaviour?
  
  it's green when at connection time connman can get to connman.net
  and check some file/thing exists - i.e. it thinks it has full
  working internet access. it's orange if you have a working network
  interface but the internet doesn't work.
 
 But in my case internet does work even when I see the orange dot,
 because routes are correctly configurated, dns ip's are available, all
 that should be configured via dhcp is indeed configured. That's why I
 wonder what it's missing, because apparently it's all there.

Just coz DHCP worked, doesn't mean the rest of the Internet works.
Maybe the DHCP supplied configuration is wrong?  Maybe there's a
firewall in the way of those checks?  Or maybe it's just that these
checks of connman.net are failing due to some other external issue?

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Re: [e-users] How to make enlightenment more battery friendly?

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On Tue, 29 Jul 2014 13:24:35 +0800 P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Tue, Jul 29, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Marc MERLIN marc_...@merlins.org
 wrote:
  So I was thinking about a minimal eye candy mode, like I believe
  e17 had early on when you set it up.
  Isn't there a way to disable at least some of the work it does to
  make things look good?
  For instance, is it possible to run the main event loop less often?
  Disable all things that move if not needed like the 'window is not
  responding spinning stuff' which did improve my battery after I
  turned it off?
 
 You can reduce/disable some of the composite effects. That could help
 reduce some of the cpu/battery usage. In the Composite settings, just
 check either or both
 
 Enable fast composite effects
 Disable composite effects
 
 restart e, and see if it helps. It disables some animations, but it
 won't disable the full composited desktop. It probably won't help much
 in the case of the spinning wheel.
 
 What I have definitely noticed is that it is a ***spinning wheel***
 that takes up a lot of cpu. Other potential events that should cause
 frequent refreshes of the screen, such as a movie playing or a
 progress bar does not take so much cpu. The desktop transitions,
 window animations, etc all remain smooth only in the case it is not a
 spinning wheel.

Depending on how things are setup, and the capabilities of your
hardware, playing videos might be hardware accelerated.  So likely
those wont take much CPU.  That wont apply to progress bars and the
other stuff though.

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Re: [e-users] Func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' unknown in class 'Evas_Smart'

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On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:45:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:56:36 +0100 Richard Ullger rull...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  Hi,
  
  I'm running e18 from the Arch repos and am getting the following
  error:
  
  Jul 07 17:28:37 richards-aspire slim[366]: ERReolib/eo/eo.c:597 in
  lib/edje/edje.eo.c:328: you called func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' (345)
  which is unknown in class 'Evas_Smart'.
  
  The error is constantly being generated several times a second and
  is filling the systemd journal.
  
  The installed packages are:
  
  enlightenment 0.18.8-1
  elementary 1.10.0-1
  efl 1.10.0-2
  
  Is this a known issue that may have been fixed in e19?
 
 e19 (git) does this much less - it's a harmless complaint about
 someone using an interface that an object doesnn't support (eo is
 designed to detect this and safely complain and march on with doing
 nothing).

I'm getting a similar message, only for Elm_Layout.  Harmless other than
filling up logs and getting in the way of real error messages.  Drop it
to warning or debug level?  Get rid of it completely?  Or some other way
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Re: [e-users] Func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' unknown in class 'Evas_Smart'

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:19:17 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:07:43 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:45:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  
   On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:56:36 +0100 Richard Ullger
   rull...@gmail.com said:
   
Hi,

I'm running e18 from the Arch repos and am getting the following
error:

Jul 07 17:28:37 richards-aspire slim[366]:
ERReolib/eo/eo.c:597 in lib/edje/edje.eo.c:328: you called
func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' (345) which is unknown in class
'Evas_Smart'.

The error is constantly being generated several times a second
and is filling the systemd journal.

The installed packages are:

enlightenment 0.18.8-1
elementary 1.10.0-1
efl 1.10.0-2

Is this a known issue that may have been fixed in e19?
   
   e19 (git) does this much less - it's a harmless complaint about
   someone using an interface that an object doesnn't support (eo is
   designed to detect this and safely complain and march on with
   doing nothing).
  
  I'm getting a similar message, only for Elm_Layout.  Harmless other
  than filling up logs and getting in the way of real error
  messages.  Drop it to warning or debug level?  Get rid of it
  completely?  Or some other way to make this bogus error message go
  away?
 
 it's not bogus. it's real. but just not harmful. its telling you that
 your api call is basically a nop where you might expect it to
 actually do something (otherwise why call it?)

I'm not calling that API at all, something inside Elm is.  In fact for
the OP, it's the result of running Enlightenment, not them calling some
API.

If it's not harmful, then it shouldn't be an error.  That's the bogus
part, it should be a warning.

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Re: [e-users] Func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' unknown in class 'Evas_Smart'

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 20:18:57 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:33:05 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 17:19:17 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  
   On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 18:07:43 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
   said:
   
On Tue, 8 Jul 2014 10:45:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The
Rasterman) ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Mon, 07 Jul 2014 17:56:36 +0100 Richard Ullger
 rull...@gmail.com said:
 
  Hi,
  
  I'm running e18 from the Arch repos and am getting the
  following error:
  
  Jul 07 17:28:37 richards-aspire slim[366]:
  ERReolib/eo/eo.c:597 in lib/edje/edje.eo.c:328: you called
  func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' (345) which is unknown in class
  'Evas_Smart'.
  
  The error is constantly being generated several times a
  second and is filling the systemd journal.
  
  The installed packages are:
  
  enlightenment 0.18.8-1
  elementary 1.10.0-1
  efl 1.10.0-2
  
  Is this a known issue that may have been fixed in e19?
 
 e19 (git) does this much less - it's a harmless complaint
 about someone using an interface that an object doesnn't
 support (eo is designed to detect this and safely complain
 and march on with doing nothing).

I'm getting a similar message, only for Elm_Layout.  Harmless
other than filling up logs and getting in the way of real error
messages.  Drop it to warning or debug level?  Get rid of it
completely?  Or some other way to make this bogus error message
go away?
   
   it's not bogus. it's real. but just not harmful. its telling you
   that your api call is basically a nop where you might expect it to
   actually do something (otherwise why call it?)
  
  I'm not calling that API at all, something inside Elm is.  In fact
  for the OP, it's the result of running Enlightenment, not them
  calling some API.
 
 not saying you are doing it.
 
  If it's not harmful, then it shouldn't be an error.  That's the
  bogus part, it should be a warning.
 
 problem is warning are off by default so you just never see.

For both the OP and me, that's exactly what we want, to not see them, so
no problem.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful

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On Tue, 10 Jun 2014 09:38:20 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote:

 Is basically the feedback I get from non-E users most times. Thoughts
 on this?
 
 Recent example -
 http://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/27qt7k/bodhi_linux_300_rc1_released_ubuntu_1404_base/

Tell the people that think it looks old that they are fashion nazis,
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Re: [e-users] yeah, but...

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On Sat, 31 May 2014 03:30:57 -0400 Christopher Barry
christopher.r.ba...@gmail.com wrote:

 But why, please tell me, when I'm in the file manager, and I hover
 over a file or directory, a dialog with a massive icon pops up,
 covering over most everything, that I cannot access or use! When I
 move the mouse to get there it disappears on me. It's frustrating.
 Also, why such a huge icon? I already know what it's icon is - I'm
 looking at it to highlight the file. I probably really want more
 details about this file or directory, not a bigger icon view. A big
 icon may be prettier or clearer, but it does nothing to answer my
 questions... Luckily, I'm a heavy shell and mc user, so it's not
 *that* big a deal, but still, it's weird by any analysis. Form should
 always follow function.
 
 On the topic of file managers, most ignore one of the most basic
 desired functions: actually display the entire file (regardless of
 type) in a pane when you highlight the filename!

Why do I get the feeling you just requested the feature you complained
about?  Perhaps it's trying to display the entire file, but can only
get on icon up?  Might just need a bit of tweaking.

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Re: [e-users] ephysics and libbullet problems

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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 07:13:46 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 14:15:57 +0200 Stefan Schmidt
 ste...@datenfreihafen.org said:
 
  Hello.
  
  On Thu, 2014-04-17 at 20:52, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 07:24:53 -0400 Will Hopper
   wjhopper...@gmail.com said:
   
Thanks for the info about compatible versions. I was guessing
that it was because the files were called
libbulletsoftbody.so.2.81 and libbulletsoftbody.so.2.81 and
that the hard coded version number was causing problems finding
it. Anyway, I first looked around for the 2.81 debs online to
downgrade, but couldn't find the ones for debian, only ubuntu,
and they also weren't in the debian-snapshot archives. But
today I remembered the .deb archive of installed and previously
installed packages that apt keeps lying around, and luckily the
2.81 debs were still there! So I manually downgraded and life
is good again.

But I'm still confused about one thing - efl still depends on
libbullet even with --disable-physics?
   
   it shouldn't - but we don't test disabling things like that.
  
  Actually we do. :) The mingw build which runs for every push to the
  efl repo has --disable-physics set and we have no libbullet for
  mingw installed so disabling works as expecting from what I can see.
 
 well that one then gets tested. most don't though. :)

I suspect what doesn't get tested is disabling bullet physics when the
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Re: [e-users] [Terminology] Youtube URL handling

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On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 06:12:36 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 17:21:23 +0100 Merlin e...@merlin.geekmail.org
 said:
 
  On 23.03.2014 14:49, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   n - because a youtube url is a web page, not a video stream. it's
   basically impractical to put such a feature into terminology as
   it requires screenscraping the youtube web page, faking being s
   browser an finding the real video stream url.
  
  Thank you, I'll file a bug report then. Terminology should not
  claim to be able to play it, if it's not.
 
 use youtube-dl (which is a large python script that keeps changing to
 track what youtube changes happen) to get a url. it used to work as
 it used to point to a .flv file at least at a point in the past.
 problem is that the url to the stream changes all the time with
 youtube and keeping up is a pain in the arse.
 
 youtube-dl -g youtube web page url here
 
 will get u the media stream url.

SecondLife TVs have exactly the same problem, been going on for
years, and not likely to change any time soon.  YouTube does not WANT
people bypassing their advertisements, so they keep changing it to
break things that try to just show the video.  It's worse in
SecondLife, often people use their virtual TVs to show YouTube music
videos to large audiences.  YouTube is not ever going to stop getting
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Re: [e-users] EFL App Round Up

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On Tue, 18 Mar 2014 14:14:58 -0500 Jeff Hoogland
jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote:

 I just did a round up with screenshots/links to all of the ready for
 usage EFL applications I am aware of -
 http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2014/03/howto-add-bodhis-enlightenment-desktop.html
 
 Figured some other folks might enjoy this.

I think you meant -

http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com.au/2014/03/enlightenment-foundation-libraries.html

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Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E

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On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:56:45 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:

 On 03/01/2014 09:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:40:08 -0500 mhmhe...@member.fsf.org  said:
 
  On 02/19/2014 06:10 PM, Florian Schaefer wrote:
  On 19.02.2014 21:53, mh wrote:
  On 02/19/2014 01:46 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:38:53 +0900 Florian
  Schaeferlist...@netego.de said:
 
  OK, I think I figured out part of the mystery: My E is
  installed to /opt/e. Hence also the efreet dbus service files
  finished up in this location and my dbus was, of course, not
  picking up those files. Now I've symlinked them to a proper
  location, E can talk with Efreet, icon themes show up and most
  of my icons are back.
  OH! aha!
  This sounds like it would fix my problem with missing icons as
  well. I'm not sure what to symlink where, but I'd like to give
  this a try.
  Good if I was not the only one stupid enough. ;-)
 
  Anyway, I symlinked org.enlightenment.Efreet.service and
  org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service from my E installation directory
  (subdir share/dbus-1/services) to /usr/share/dbus-1/services/.
 
  Good luck,
  Florian
  I installed e1.9 from release tarballs yesterday, and efl had a
  message stating that since the install was not to /usr that I
  would need to add both of these symlinks as you mentioned Florian.
  Nice. All icons available, no problems with the install or running
  e1.9. Thanks to everyone!
 
  The e default install location has changed from /usr/local to /usr
  now?
  nothing has changed. :)
 
 Ah, found it. I meant efl, not e ;) In the configure.ac file, lines
 4356 
 - 4372, in the efl v.1.9 stable release:
 
   if test x$prefix != x/usr; then
echo 
echo 
 #---#
echo ##==-- ALERT  --==##
echo 
 #---#
echo 
echo   Your installation prefix is *NOT* /usr so this means you
 need echo to ensure some files are visible to dbus otherwise
 services cannot echo be started when needed. You will need to do
 the following: echo 
echo   ln -s 
 $prefix/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service 
 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service
echo   ln -s 
 $prefix/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Efreet.service 
 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Efreet.service
echo 
echo or add \$prefix/share\ to \$XDG_DATA_DIRS
echo 
echo 
 #---#
 fi
 
 
 This is different than the configure.ac in efl v.1.8.4 release. When
 I installed I installed to /opt/e and got this alert, which was
 certainly appreciated because with these symlinks I don't have any
 problems with missing icons.

In E 1.9 I added those symlinks and still some of my icons are
missing.  There does not seem to be a settings module to select icon
theme either, which I think I used in the past.  XDG_DATA_DIRS already
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Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E

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On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 15:05:20 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Mon, 3 Mar 2014 10:19:40 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Sun, 02 Mar 2014 15:56:45 -0500 mh mhe...@member.fsf.org wrote:
  
   On 03/01/2014 09:56 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:40:08 -0500 mhmhe...@member.fsf.org
said:
   
On 02/19/2014 06:10 PM, Florian Schaefer wrote:
On 19.02.2014 21:53, mh wrote:
On 02/19/2014 01:46 AM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
wrote:
On Wed, 19 Feb 2014 12:38:53 +0900 Florian
Schaeferlist...@netego.de said:
   
OK, I think I figured out part of the mystery: My E is
installed to /opt/e. Hence also the efreet dbus service
files finished up in this location and my dbus was, of
course, not picking up those files. Now I've symlinked
them to a proper location, E can talk with Efreet, icon
themes show up and most of my icons are back.
OH! aha!
This sounds like it would fix my problem with missing icons
as well. I'm not sure what to symlink where, but I'd like to
give this a try.
Good if I was not the only one stupid enough. ;-)
   
Anyway, I symlinked org.enlightenment.Efreet.service and
org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service from my E installation
directory (subdir share/dbus-1/services)
to /usr/share/dbus-1/services/.
   
Good luck,
Florian
I installed e1.9 from release tarballs yesterday, and efl had a
message stating that since the install was not to /usr that I
would need to add both of these symlinks as you mentioned
Florian. Nice. All icons available, no problems with the
install or running e1.9. Thanks to everyone!
   
The e default install location has changed from /usr/local
to /usr now?
nothing has changed. :)
   
   Ah, found it. I meant efl, not e ;) In the configure.ac file,
   lines 4356 
   - 4372, in the efl v.1.9 stable release:
   
 if test x$prefix != x/usr; then
  echo 
  echo 
   #---#
  echo ##==-- ALERT  --==##
  echo 
   #---#
  echo 
  echo   Your installation prefix is *NOT* /usr so this means
   you need echo to ensure some files are visible to dbus otherwise
   services cannot echo be started when needed. You will need to do
   the following: echo 
  echo   ln -s 
   $prefix/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service 
   /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service
  echo   ln -s 
   $prefix/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Efreet.service 
   /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Efreet.service
  echo 
  echo or add \$prefix/share\ to \$XDG_DATA_DIRS
  echo 
  echo 
   #---#
   fi
   
   
   This is different than the configure.ac in efl v.1.8.4 release.
   When I installed I installed to /opt/e and got this alert, which
   was certainly appreciated because with these symlinks I don't
   have any problems with missing icons.
  
  In E 1.9 I added those symlinks and still some of my icons are
  missing.  There does not seem to be a settings module to select icon
  theme either, which I think I used in the past.  XDG_DATA_DIRS
  already had the correct stuff in it.
 
 yes there is. it's not been removed or changed since e17 release.
 settings - look - application theme - icons

Oops, so it is to.  Now I have icons again.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 20:43:18 +0900 Florian Schaefer list...@netego.de
wrote:

 On 18.02.2014 18:45, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
 [...]
  That's an excellent point. My Icons theme list is empty. I have,
  however, the gnome-icon-theme deb package installed. What am I
  missing for it to show up on the icons theme list?
  
  well i suspect that is your core problem. no working/found/usable
  icon theme. ican't say what gnome-icon-theme deb pkgs does... but i
  have themes listed - i installed some icon theme pkgs, i selected
  one i liked (faenza) and everything is fine. :)
 
 I agree, that could be at it's heart. So now the question is how to
 make E recognize my icon theme. Is there some file in which the
 available themes are listed? Or according to which kind of black
 magic is that determined?

The FreeDestop.Org specification that most Linux distros follow to get
this to all work is kinda black magic.  I suspect in your efforts to
trim down your OS you forgot to dance Gangnam style widershins around
the pile of fresh three headed chicken wings.  Or something.  Maybe add
BBQ sauce?

I think these are the most relevant mystical tomes -

http://standards.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html

http://standards.freedesktop.org/desktop-entry-spec/desktop-entry-spec-1.1.html

http://standards.freedesktop.org/icon-theme-spec/icon-theme-spec-latest.html

But it probably boils down to - you shaved a bit too much off to save
space, and some crucial bit is missing.  The problem is identifying
that missing bit.

It's also entirely possible that until a few weeks ago, when your
problems started, there was some sort of bug crawling on the E three
headed chicken wings, that just happened to make things work in your
stripped down version.  Perhaps looking at commits from that time would
help.

 Just as a try I tried to additionally install the
 gnome-brave-icon-theme, but after a restart of E still nothing shows
 up. So I guess I am missing a mechanism that E is relying on to
 compile its list of themes. But which?
 
  And somehow I still do not get the point. I have a .desktop file
  for my application. In this desktop file an icon is defined. This
  icon (correct me if I am wrong) does not need to belong to some
  icon theme as it might be a 3rd party application. So at least if
  I give a full path there, E should not care about such things as
  application themes. Or not? Anyway, it appears that somehow my
  understanding of how application entries, icons for windows
  and .desktop files work together is slightly out of sync. I am
  glad for any enlightenment.
  
  if you have a full path there - yes. it should absolutely work
  using the full path. most desktop files for most apps do not give
  full paths,. they give simple names and expect code to hunt icons
  down from an icon theme... :)
 
 OK, trying to dig a bit into this it seems (at least for the two
 cases I tested) that a full path actually works. Just I don't feel
 like changing all my .desktop files by hand...

Yep, the labyrinthine FDO icon spec does allow just use this path
dammit to bypass all their nonsense.

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Re: [e-users] Can you force a confirmation dialog before closing a window?

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On Mon, 17 Feb 2014 15:42:36 -0800 Marc MERLIN marc_...@merlins.org
wrote:

 On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 08:23:52AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
   Would you be ok with adding a 'confirm closing' dialog as an
   option (off by default of course)?
  
  i wouldn't have a problem with that as an option... just someone
  has to do it. :)
 
 Wait, e18 doesn't have a gateway that converts Email text on the list
 to features in C yet? :)
 
 Marc

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surprise party.

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Re: [e-users] Some issues with the current state of E

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On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:36:13 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 10:51:35 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
 said:
 
  Hello,
  
  On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 10:17 AM, Jeff Hoogland
  jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote:
   Are you honestly complaining about issues with software you've
   compiled from a development repository? If you want super stable,
   consistent software use the *releases*. They are there for a
   reason.
  
  I will disagree with you here Jeff, it is valuable to get bug report
  from problem on our git. For a long time we have considered that git
  should be daily usable without trouble. So any bug report regarding
  a problem that stay around for more than a few day and his not
  referenced in phab is useful.
 
 well it will have troubles - but the point is for people to notice
 the troubles before it gets into a release and then make sure the
 release is as trouble-free as we can manage. if no one uses the git
 code then the only bugs we see are bugs that developers directly see
 themselves, which will be a small fraction of them overall.

I understand that a lot of the E developers, including me, use git head
as their daily WM.  And have done so for many years.  So usually if
there is this sort of problems, then lots of the developers scream at
who ever broke it fairly quickly.

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Re: [e-users] e17 turns off my LCD

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On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:42:13 -0600 Austin Morgan
admor...@morgancomputers.net wrote:

 On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 08:53:37AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote:
  On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 22:45:30 +0200 Alan McKinnon
  alan.mckin...@gmail.com said:
  
   On 11/02/2014 17:41, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:27:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com said:

On 11/02/2014 10:28, Mick wrote:
On Monday 10 Feb 2014 13:27:00 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella
wrote:
Well, I don't have any problem with using whatever is
suggested upstream. The thing with USE flags is that they
can be set globally, and when an ebuild has an USE flag to
enable or disable a given feature you are supposed to be
able to use that, that is, unless the ebuild has an ewarn
about it or the USE is masked. I try to make use of the
documentation when available, however this time I neglected
to do so, mostly because a hard lock is not something that's
usually documented and partly because, to start with, I
didn't even know where to start looking.
   
I'm going from memory here but recall that when I tried to
emerge efl portage warned me about having xcb set.  So I
unset it and off it went completing the emerge.
   
From efl-1.8.5.ebuild (in part):
   
REQUIRED_USE=
X?  ( !xcb )

   
USE=X xcb is enabled by default in the desktop profile so
you will get that warning and are forced to disable one of
them when emerging efl for the first time. For other profiles
USE=xcb is usually off, so enabling it produces the same
error message.
   
Most folks would think long and hard before setting USE=-X.
Perhaps the enlightenment herd can add an elog to clarify that
not only must one choose between X|xcb, but that xcb is
completely unsupported upstream so YMMV, break, both halves,
keep + kittens = eaten

efl 1.9 has a big paragraph that configure blurts out about
this... and it sleeps for 10sec do make you notice the pause
and display...
   
   Your average Gentoo user won't see that message - we tend to set
   the build up then walk away and let the build framework do it's
   thing. The packager ought to see it as by rights they are
   supposed to eyeball stuff before declaring it fit for consumption.
   
   Can I make a suggestion?
   
   configurable options for efl and e tend to fall into two camps -
   solid, stable, supported stuff; and everything else that's there
   for who knows what reason. Xcb looks and feels like a moribund
   option that went in when someone worked on it, and is sorta still
   there.
   
   Why not just rip all that other stuff out of main? As you say,
   no-one important runs it or tests it. Leave it in a testing/dev
   branch by all means so someone up for the job can check it out
   and work on it.
   
   Reason being, when I see this:
   
   $ ./configure --help=short
   ...
 --with-x11=xlib|xcb|none
 X11 method to use: xlib, xcb or none
   
   then I expect all offered options to work as intended and be
   release quality. If I want to play with badass unsupported magic,
   I don't expect you to ship it, I do expect to do the heavy
   lifting myself of fetching diffs and patching first.
   
   Happily, it looks like a lot of the strange option that were in
   efl-17 are now gone already, so thank you for that.
  
  and that then leads to insane/major bitrot once it goes into a
  branch. xcb works for 99% of stuff... until you start bringing
  opengl into things. then it gets tricky. how about gentoo stop
  offering every --enable/disable feature on the planet just because
  it can? that's my suggestion. i think i'll ADD another option you
  have to pass and make configure fail without it. that'll break the
  ebuilds and i'm super happy about that. :)
  
 Because I build embedded gentoo systems sometimes and have actually
 used xcb as described above. I agree that xcb should be disabled by
 default with a very strongly worded warning. Warnings are grouped and
 displayed at the end of a build so you don't have to sit there
 watching your screen. I will go one step further and submit a patch
 to implement both of these steps tonight.

Have a look, I think Raster did that already.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] e17 turns off my LCD

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 00:41:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:27:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon
 alan.mckin...@gmail.com said:
 
  On 11/02/2014 10:28, Mick wrote:
   On Monday 10 Feb 2014 13:27:00 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella wrote:
   Well, I don't have any problem with using whatever is suggested
   upstream. The thing with USE flags is that they can be set
   globally, and when an ebuild has an USE flag to enable or
   disable a given feature you are supposed to be able to use that,
   that is, unless the ebuild has an ewarn about it or the USE is
   masked. I try to make use of the documentation when available,
   however this time I neglected to do so, mostly because a hard
   lock is not something that's usually documented and partly
   because, to start with, I didn't even know where to start
   looking.
   
   I'm going from memory here but recall that when I tried to emerge
   efl portage warned me about having xcb set.  So I unset it and
   off it went completing the emerge.
  
  From efl-1.8.5.ebuild (in part):
  
  REQUIRED_USE=
  X?  ( !xcb )
  
  
  USE=X xcb is enabled by default in the desktop profile so you
  will get that warning and are forced to disable one of them when
  emerging efl for the first time. For other profiles USE=xcb is
  usually off, so enabling it produces the same error message.
  
  Most folks would think long and hard before setting USE=-X.
  Perhaps the enlightenment herd can add an elog to clarify that not
  only must one choose between X|xcb, but that xcb is completely
  unsupported upstream so YMMV, break, both halves, keep + kittens =
  eaten
 
 efl 1.9 has a big paragraph that configure blurts out about this...
 and it sleeps for 10sec do make you notice the pause and display...

Which might be entirely useless if it's an automated build that logs
the output instead of showing it to the user.  Though I suspect a 10
second pause during the build of a complex system wont be noticed.
Hell, I automate my EFL builds AND don't watch them.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] e17 turns off my LCD

[David Seikel]

On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 08:49:16 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 02:46:45 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Wed, 12 Feb 2014 00:41:40 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  
   On Tue, 11 Feb 2014 15:27:43 +0200 Alan McKinnon
   alan.mckin...@gmail.com said:
   
On 11/02/2014 10:28, Mick wrote:
 On Monday 10 Feb 2014 13:27:00 Jesús J. Guerrero Botella
 wrote:
 Well, I don't have any problem with using whatever is
 suggested upstream. The thing with USE flags is that they
 can be set globally, and when an ebuild has an USE flag to
 enable or disable a given feature you are supposed to be
 able to use that, that is, unless the ebuild has an ewarn
 about it or the USE is masked. I try to make use of the
 documentation when available, however this time I neglected
 to do so, mostly because a hard lock is not something that's
 usually documented and partly because, to start with, I
 didn't even know where to start looking.
 
 I'm going from memory here but recall that when I tried to
 emerge efl portage warned me about having xcb set.  So I
 unset it and off it went completing the emerge.

From efl-1.8.5.ebuild (in part):

REQUIRED_USE=
X?  ( !xcb )


USE=X xcb is enabled by default in the desktop profile so you
will get that warning and are forced to disable one of them when
emerging efl for the first time. For other profiles USE=xcb is
usually off, so enabling it produces the same error message.

Most folks would think long and hard before setting USE=-X.
Perhaps the enlightenment herd can add an elog to clarify that
not only must one choose between X|xcb, but that xcb is
completely unsupported upstream so YMMV, break, both halves,
keep + kittens = eaten
   
   efl 1.9 has a big paragraph that configure blurts out about
   this... and it sleeps for 10sec do make you notice the pause and
   display...
  
  Which might be entirely useless if it's an automated build that logs
  the output instead of showing it to the user.  Though I suspect a 10
  second pause during the build of a complex system wont be noticed.
  Hell, I automate my EFL builds AND don't watch them.  B-)
 
 we could do shutdown -h now. that'd get attention. :)

Nah, wont do anything if it's not being built as root.  Just play
I'm a loser (Beatles or Beck, your choice) at full volume.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Crash on e5

[David Seikel]

On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 10:01:14 +0200 Alan McKinnon
alan.mckin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 09/12/2013 08:40, Nex6 wrote:
  * Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com [2013-12-08 21:42:25
  +0900]:
  
  On Sun, 8 Dec 2013 10:25:04 + Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
  said:
 
  On Sunday 08 Dec 2013 01:48:18 Steven@e wrote:
  Hello beber, just for information, you dont need FUSE anymore
  to use ZFS.  zfsonlinux solves this.
 
  Thanks for the info, but why should we need this ? I see no
  valid reason.
 
  There are out-of-tree Linux kernel modules care of ZFSOnLinux
  Project[1]. Therefore using ZFS-Fuse is not necessary (or
  recommended).  At least one valid reason for using ZFS (there are
  many) is that it guards against fs corruption by using CRC
  checksums.
 
  I understand that both Oracle (RHL) Linux and SUSE consider BTRFS
  production ready and Oracle will be/are using this instead of
  ZFS.  From my limited understanding BTRFS is being developed at
  speed and catching up with ZFS, but it does not have the amount
  of testing that ZFS had to date to vouch for its
  stability/maturity.  At this stage in their development ZFS is
  superior to BTRFS in terms of functionality, although there is
  hope that BTRFS will develop at speed.
 
  and why? ext4 HAS been production ready for YEARS... inf act not
  production ready... it has been *IN8 production for years... if
  there is a fs i would trust - it's ext4. not zfs and DEFINITELY
  not btrfs. ext4 (and 3 etc. before it) have many more miles of
  PRODUCTION behind them.
 
  what this probably was ... was an unstable bleeding-edge kernel
  since the servers are being run on gentoo and thus are not exactly
  being conservative. it was probably a newly introduced bug that
  hasn't been hammered out and other fs's used less will have such
  bugs many times MORE than ext4 will.
  
  I am going to chime in and give my 2 cents. for filesystems, on
  production servers I tell our ops guys only use ext4 or xfs thats
  it. 
 
 
 Gentoo on critical production server that face the public without a
 proper QA staging setup? Good lord, that's a scary thought. I banned
 gentoo from production around here.
 
 Lest anyone think I'm a gentoo-hater, my personal workstation:
 
 
 $ uname -a
 Linux khamul 3.12.3-gentoo #1 SMP PREEMPT Sun Dec 8 00:13:02 SAST 2013
  ^

Meh we all have our different beliefs about such things.  I personally
use BTRFS at home, and switched from ZFS to BTRFS on a production
server for a client.  This thread can devolve into a my distro / FS is
better than yours war, or we can just let the person that volunteered
to do the work do it the way he's most comfortable with.

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Re: [e-users] Terminology 0.4.0 is out!

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 10 Dec 2013 09:58:09 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:28:43 -0500 Shawn Haworth shawn...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 7:08 PM, Carsten Haitzler
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
   On Mon, 9 Dec 2013 08:24:26 -0500 Shawn Haworth
   shawn...@gmail.com said:
  
   On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 10:39 AM, Boris Faure bo...@fau.re
   wrote:
We are pleased to announce the release of Terminology 0.4
   
You can download the tarball either as
[1]terminology-0.4.0.tar.gz or as [2]terminology-0.4.0.tar.bz2.
   
This release features:
   
  * text reflow on resize,
  * full 256 colors support,
  * improved terminal compatibility,
  * improved selection handling,
  * backscroll compression to reduce memory usage,
  
  
   What's the compression ratio?  How much memory can I expect to be
   unused compared to 0.3.0?
  
   Thanks!
  
   i measured about 60% savings of backscroll memory on average. (si
   it was 40% its original size).
  
  In the frozen tundra of the Northeast US (New England) I can only
  max out my machine at 2GB ram (DDR Pentium 4).  Running LXDE +
  Terminology w/ 10k scroll buffer + chromium-browser (or bsu when
  i'm bored) + tmux
  + vim = heavy swappage. :|
  I'm thinking about switching my desktop environment to Ratpoison so
  I can stay in hard memory.  Either that or shit-can Terminology for
  lxterminal.
 
 chromium is what is really eating all your memory.

Modern HTML is really bloated for no good reason.  Try dillo or NetSurf
web browsers if you can live with a subset of web technologies.

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Re: [e-users] Crash on e5

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On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:41:36 +0100 Bertrand Jacquin be...@meleeweb.net
wrote:

Missing subscribers on git list, e-b0rk list entirely corrupted

e-b0rk got borked, think that was just asking for trouble.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Crash on e5

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On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:11:16 + Mick michaelkintz...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On Saturday 07 Dec 2013 17:22:06 David Seikel wrote:
  On Sat, 7 Dec 2013 17:41:36 +0100 Bertrand Jacquin
  be...@meleeweb.net
  
  wrote:
  Missing subscribers on git list, e-b0rk list entirely corrupted
  
  e-b0rk got borked, think that was just asking for trouble.  B-)
 
 Perhaps time to move to ZFS?

Or BTRFS?

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Is there *real* documentation for edje?

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On Wed, 30 Oct 2013 13:02:24 -0400 Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com
wrote:

 At Wed, 30 Oct 2013 12:09:52 -0400 Enlightenment users discussion 
 support   enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net wrote:
 
 The main problem with documentation-by-example is what happens when
 there isn't an example that covers the question at hand? Or (worse)
 when the example's name or title does not fully suggest or explain
 what it is an example of. Also, sometimes it is critical when looking
 at examples that there is some explaination of the concepts involved.
 Examples alone can never really explain how to do things, if the
 *underlying* concepts are not either known or else explained. For
 example, what does 'swallow' mean in the context of edje? The code in
 e_menu is using this, but I have no clue as to what is going on and
 the swallow example does not really *explain* what is going on, it
 just shows you how to use it, without explaining why you would do it
 or what its purpose is. Somehow, I don't think it has anything to do
 with eating or birds (but maybe it does?).

We need an example of swallow involving rasters cat eating a bird.

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Re: [e-users] Does a *buildable* *working* version of editje exist?

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On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 11:08:41 -0400 Robert Heller hel...@deepsoft.com
wrote:

 How does one create .edj files?  Or are these files created by divine 
 intervention somehow? :-)

I edit source .edc files and compile them to .edj files.  That's not
for every one though.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Terminology packages for Debian or list of build packages?

[David Seikel]

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:20:08 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 07:31:09 +0200 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
 said:
 
  On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:36 AM, Carsten Haitzler
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
   On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 18:26:25 -0700 Marc MERLIN
   marc_...@merlins.org said:
   On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 05:40:03AM -0400, John Holland wrote:
I have debs for 0.17.3 at www.vin-dit.org
   
Visit the web page for info (what to put in sources.list)
   
I have a terminology deb there.
  
   I forgot to get back to you on this. Thank you for the packages.
   I have terminology working fine now.
  
   Three suggestions for raster:
   1) online help popup. Someone should know what the keys are
   without having to find README inthe source (as in binary
   packages).
  
   it's in the TODO file. :)
  
   2) Tabs, I really really wish there was a mode to have actual
   tabs visible in terminology. CTRL-PGUP/DOWN works, but optional
   visible tabs at the top that I can also see quickly and click on
   with the mouse would be great (visible tabs also allow for
   flashing if one needs attention).
  
   the tab display shows how many tabs you have, which one you are
   looking at and if any want your attention. sure it's an extra
   click away but that saves space, and i know i don't feel like
   eating up the space. i don't plan on doing anything here as i
   think that the current ui has the features you want, with an
   extra click AND the saving of space. doing normal tabs loses
   space and saves a click for tabs that FIT only (maybe 4 or 5 tabs
   for a normal width term) and then it begins to break down.
  
  Maybe we can add some more logic to detect tab that needs attention.
  Like tab that where really active for some time and now stopped (ie
  during compilation). Also it would be nice to have notification
  triggered when such event happen. At least that's the improvement I
  see could be done here.
 
 thats always an option, but its even going furhter than most terms. i
 suspect marc is missing the overlay for whatever reason. not using
 default theme? (theme being used is missing the info) ?

Or he is one of those die hard gimme real tabs dammit people that you
will never agree with. :-P

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Re: [e-users] Eet compared with JSON - Eet comes out on top

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On Wed, 21 Aug 2013 20:03:41 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 
 https://phab.enlightenment.org/phame/live/1/post/eet_compared_with_json_eet_comes_out_on_top/
 
 -
 Given the mainstream can't figure out what to use (XML, JSON...
 what's next?), Eet manages to lead hands-down when compared to JSON
 
 Summary:
 
 Data files can be between 4 and 860 TIMES larger with JSON.
 Cold read time for JSON is 10 TIMES slower than Eet.
 Cold writes take 40% longer with JSON than with Eet.
 Hot reads are 7 TIMES slower with JSON than with Eet.
 Hot writes take 37% longer with JSON than with Eet.
 
 XML will be between 18 and 26 TIMES slower than Eet at loading config.
 

Cool, my money was on eet all along.  It's why I want to use it for
everything.  Human readable formats are a bad idea when 99.9% of the
time, humans are not reading it.

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Re: [e-users] fresh recompilation, few things I noticed

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On Mon, 24 Jun 2013 08:20:04 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Sun, 23 Jun 2013 17:35:00 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said:
 
  I just noticed something else, but I'm not sure if it's a bug,
  something wanted or some option I haven't found.
  
  I usually have 4 virtual destop in a 2x2 fashion. That's not
  important, the important is that I used to create new windows in
  any virtual desktop without any issue. Now, all new windows go to
  0-0, no matter where I'm standing. And that's kind of annoying,
  since each time I open an option panel or I open a new terminology
  windows I have to go look for it in the first of all the desktops
  and not where i'm standing
 
 never seen this. also if you have crashes... submit the
 ~/.e-crashdump.txt's... thats why they are there... :) (crashes keep
 being appended to that file so its like a log of them).

I have reported this before.  Not all windows, just all EFL based
windows, always open up on desktop 0, 0.

  2013/6/23 Wido wido...@gmail.com
  
   well well well, that did the trick!!
  
   thanks a lot Massimo, never would have though that dbus services
   was the issue =)
  
  
   2013/6/23 Massimo Maiurana maiur...@gmail.com
  
   Wido, il 23/06/2013 20:20, ha scritto:
  
I can only see the .desktop files that are un
~/.local/share/applications/ and not all the ones in
/usr/share/applications.
  
   Try copying service files under
   $E_PREFIX/opt/e17/share/dbus-1/services into
   ~/.local/share/dbus-1/services. If I'm not wrong this is needed
   if you install E in a non-usual prefix (in my case /opt/e17).
  
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Re: [e-users] [announce] e17 builder

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On Wed, 08 May 2013 20:49:55 +0800 P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 05/08/2013 07:31 PM, Markus Törnqvist wrote:
  Hi!
 
  As I finally got around to wanting the released version of e17 and
  noticed that easy_e17.sh is (at least for the time being) defunct,
  I wrote my own builder.
 
  Hopefully it can be useful for others too, especially those who
  want to install and run e17 in their home directories.
 
  Written in Python, the code is (should be) clean and easy to read,
  hack and use.
 
  I have two setups now running built with it and I got to say it
  rocks.
 
  Without further ado, check it!
 
  https://github.com/mjtorn/e17build
 
 
 There are at least two other implementations:
 
 easy_efl: http://omicron.homeip.net/svn/easy_efl
 git_e17: https://github.com/ObiWahn/git_e17
 
 Both are in active development, but i don't know how they are. I am 
 stuck with stable e-0.17.1 because I need a stable system for now.

There is a bunch in the git and SVN devs directories, including mine.
I think we all have one now.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Another EFM bug

[David Seikel]

Faulty technician sensor.

On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 12:06:59 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Fri, 08 Feb 2013 16:03:33 +0100 Christian Ullmann x...@gmx.net
 said:
 
 heisen bug! did you travel? did you move closer to east asia? my aura
 may be causing it to work while it is in proximity to me... :) my
 works for me aura... :)
 
  Strange. The problem is gone like it were fixed over night, but I
  havnt installed new software and havnt updated E. Interessting...
  I'll keep an eye on that.
  
  On 07.02.2013 09:20, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   On Wed, 06 Feb 2013 16:54:57 +0100 Christian
   Ullmannx...@gmx.net  said:
  
   can't reproduce here (tho this is e17 svn not release... as a dev
   i use svn... so i have to reproduce there to fix :) as that is
   what will eventually become a new release anyway)
  
   Hi!
  
   here's another EFM bug, simply reproduceable:
  
   select an desktop icon.
   click another icon and move it directly.
   What happens? You will move the first clicked item.
  
  
   In some cases it will also produce an desktop-switch (discribed
   in a virtual desktop bug ...).
  
  
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Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing

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On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:19:34 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote:

 I know that E mouse works differently. Maybe I didn't explained
 properly.
 
 What I ment is it would be possible to allow E (somehow, with lot of
 black magic) replicate it's cursors to X cursors. As in create gifs
 or png or whatever X use for current E  theme, and move that into an
 X theme. 

It would not be a replication, it would be a pale imitation.  The point
raster was making is that E mouse pointers are active scripted objects,
which is very far away from being a simple set of looped static
images.  Sure you could grab a static image of on E cursor at some
point during it's scripted running, but at what points do you do this
grabbing?  Each scripted E cursor object is different, and can be
entirely arbitrary, making it almost impossible to automatically pick
suitable points that are useful to make a series of image grabs.

So the results are likely to be really crap, and just not worth the
effort of creating that black magic.  Much better results could be done
by the theme author picking those points carefully and making their own
matching X cursor theme.  Such theme authors might be making matching
GTK / QT / whatever themes as well, but I would guess that most don't.

 I know, it sounds horrible and I'm not suggesting to do that, is just
 a quick 'n dirt hack to explain what I would like E to do =)
 
 On Saturday February 2 2013 02:56:42 Carsten Haitzler escribió:
  On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com
  said:
  
   On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote:
   Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X
   paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps
   change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me.
   
   Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be
   X mouse theme?
   
   
   +1
   
   same for me.
   
   Thanks,
  
  this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more
  primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits
  information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a
  simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do.

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Re: [e-users] isolated efl post-svn82296 problem with e17 startup

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On Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:32:33 +0530 Arvind R arvin...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:48 PM, Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
 barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:
  On Thursday, January 24, 2013, Arvind R wrote:
 
  On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Ulisses Furquim
  ulis...@profusion.mobi wrote:
   Hi Arvind,
  
   On Thu, Jan 24, 2013 at 10:42 PM, Arvind R arvin...@gmail.com
   wrote:
   Hi,
  
   Updated everything to svn83292 except libevas. Am able to run
   E17!!! Install libevas and E17 does not start. I had to build
   everything with lax dependencies to be able to do this.
   libevas-engines-x is also the new version. Only libevas needs
   to left out.
  
   The libevas package contains libevas.so.*, evas/modules/loaders,
   evas/modules/savers and evas/checkme.
  
   The .xsession-errors has at the end repeated a few times:
  
   ERR ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:65
   delayed.avoid_damage=0 ERR ecore_evas
   lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:66 delayed.resize_shape=0 ERR
   ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:67 delayed.shaped=0 ERR
   ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:68
   delayed.shaped_changed=0 ERR ecore_evas
   lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:69 delayed.alpha=0 ERR ecore_evas
   lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:70 delayed.alpha_changed=0 ERR
   ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:71 delayed.transparent=0
   ERR ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:72
  delayed.transparent_changed=0
   ERR ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:73 delayed.rotation=0
   ERR ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:74
   delayed.rotation_resize=0 ERR ecore_evas
   lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:75 delayed.rotation_changed=0 ERR
   ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:77 reset in_async_render
   of ee=0x202cf40 ERR ecore_evas lib/ecore_evas/ecore_evas.c:63
   stuck async render: time=87.614251, ee=0x1884c30,
   engine=software_x11, geometry=(0, 0, 1280, 1024), visible=1,
   shaped=0, alpha=0, transparent=0
  
   repeated.
  
   Terminology fails to start - segfaulting. gdb bt:
  
   Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
   evas_common_font_draw_internal (dst=0xda8500, dc=0x85b3b0, x=1,
   y=24, glyphs=0x1, func=0x75fe2b50
   _op_blend_mas_can_dp_sse3,
  ext_x=1,
   ext_y=2, ext_w=1040, ext_h=644, im_w=1042, im_h=674)
   at lib/evas/common/evas_font_draw.c:39
   39  lib/evas/common/evas_font_draw.c: No such file or
   directory. (gdb) bt
   #0  evas_common_font_draw_internal (dst=0xda8500, dc=0x85b3b0,
   x=1,
  y=24,
   glyphs=0x1, func=0x75fe2b50 _op_blend_mas_can_dp_sse3,
  ext_x=1,
   ext_y=2, ext_w=1040, ext_h=644, im_w=1042, im_h=674)
   at lib/evas/common/evas_font_draw.c:39
   #1  0x75fa87d1 in evas_common_font_draw_cb
   (dst=0xda8500,
  dc=0x85b3b0,
   x=1, y=24, glyphs=0x1, cb=0x75fa76d0
  evas_common_font_draw_internal)
   at lib/evas/common/evas_font_draw.c:536
   #2  0x7fffe1aaba16 in ?? ()
  from
  /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/evas/modules/engines/gl_x11/./module.so
   #3  0x75f6f19e in evas_object_textgrid_render
   (eo_obj=0xde22e0, obj=0xde2370, output=0x76cf60,
   context=0x85b3b0, surface=0xcf2d70,
  x=0,
   y=0, do_async=0 '\000') at
  lib/evas/canvas/evas_object_textgrid.c:681
   #4  0x75f76172 in evas_render_mapped
   (e=e@entry=0x723e00, eo_obj=eo_obj@entry=0xde22e0,
   obj=obj@entry=0xde2370,
  context=0x85b3b0,
   surface=surface@entry=0xcf2d70, off_x=off_x@entry=0,
  off_y=off_y@entry=0,
   mapped=0, mapped@entry=2, ecx=0, ecy=0, ecw=1042, ech=674,
   proxy_render=0 '\000', proxy_render@entry=2 '\002',
   do_async=do_async@entry=0 '\000') at
  lib/evas/canvas/evas_render.c:1228
   #5  0x75f78859 in evas_render_updates_internal (
   eo_e=eo_e@entry=0x723d70, make_updates=make_updates@entry=1
   '\001', do_draw=do_draw@entry=1 '\001',
   done_func=done_func@entry=0, done_data=done_data@entry=0x0,
   updates_func=updates_func@entry=0,
   updates_data=updates_data@entry=0x0, do_async=do_async@entry=0
  '\000')
  
   Am senAm quite sure there are no old libs. Did  ldd of all the
   libs
  installed, and tried find on the libs to look for other versions.
  None found. Nothing installed in /usr/local or /opt
  No network storage
  Works fine with svn82296 of efl.
 
  Distro: Debian (testing) wheezy
  Kernel 3.7.0 on Quad Core2 with ECC RAM and RAID drives
  Xorg 1.13.0 Mesa 9.0.1 Driver Nouveau
  efl - svn83307 all except libevas which, as mentioned, is svn82296
 (else e17 does not start up)
 
 
  This should be false or sonething strange in there. If you have old
  libevas, you don't have evas_render_async(), that is used by
  src/modules/ecore_evas/engines/x
 
  Then I'm not sure how you managed to force that to work.
 
 Nothing. I just package-build the new versions and install. Since the
 efl libraries are split to conform to debian package names so as not
 to have too much conflicts in future, I can still install packages
 independently - if I relax package 

Re: [e-users] E 0.17.0 issues

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:24:44 -0200 Gustavo Sverzut Barbieri
barbi...@profusion.mobi wrote:

 On Wed, Jan 16, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Ross Vandegrift r...@kallisti.us
 wrote:
  On 01/13/2013 10:38 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  On Sun, 13 Jan 2013 22:26:11 -0500 Ross Vandegrift
  r...@kallisti.us said:
  Yep - enabling compositing fixes that issue.  ARGB was enabled.
 
  theme designed to work well on compositing. non-compositing ymmv.
  for e18 we are going compositing only.. in fact e17 in svn already
  is there... so not something that is going to change :)
 
  And as usual, compositing proves its worth.  Just started up
  VirtualBox, whole desktop ground down to about 2fps.  Took about
  three minutes to flip to another virtual console to kill it.  As
  soon as I unloaded the module, all better.
 
  Maybe someday before compositing is mandatory for every window
  manager, composite will get fixed to not break lots of working
  installations.
 
 Really? I'm using E17 exclusively inside VirtualBox on a MacOSX host,
 1024x768 and with composite. Works pretty fast on a MacBook Pro 2.8
 GHz Intel Core i7 with NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M 512 MB.

I think Ross meant VirtualBox is running inside E17, not the other way
around.  I wonder if he's using OpenGL or software for the compositor?
And maybe VirtualBox trying to use OpenGL caused a conflict?

For what it's worth, I regularly test my embedded EFL stuff inside Qemu
running on top of E17 with no problem.  It does not need OpenGL or
anything fancy though.

And just to offset Gustavo's bragging, my embedded EFL project runs
pretty fast on the actual x486 CPU with some crappy built in graphics
chip, and 256MB memory shared between them.  :-P

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Re: [e-users] E 0.17.0 issues

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On Wed, 16 Jan 2013 23:33:59 -0500 Ross Vandegrift r...@kallisti.us
wrote:

 On 01/16/2013 06:26 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
  you almost definitely will have to chase this up with your driver
  vendors.
 
  1. compositing with SOFTWARE works smoothly (well 20-60fps)  on a
  600mhz penitum-m.
   2. it works usably on even lower end arm machines.. *IN SOFTWARE*
 
 Hmmm, this is not my experience on a 1.8Ghz dual-core athlon.  With 
 software rendering, I get noticeable visual stutter when switching 
 virtual desktops.  Dense text, webpages, and lots of windows on a 
 desktop make it worse.  Video tears pervasively.  Flash video, not so 
 hot to being with, is totally unusable.
 
 Should I expect better?  Perhaps I need to tweak some other settings
 or compile differently?  I just assumed that it was expected that
 software would be not so great.

Before I noticed that the compositor on my desktop was set to software
instead of OpenGL like I wanted, I had noticed it was considerably
slower than I had experienced in the past (when it WAS set to OpenGL).
I do have dense text, the odd web page, but not lots of windows on a
desktop.  Flash I usually try to avoid so not much experience with it. 
I'd not call it unusable though.  No tearing, but I had vsync turned on
for what it's worth.  This is on 3.2GHz AMD four core with more than
enough RAM, so My Mileage May Vary.

I don't run X on that x486 I mentioned, so I can't compare.

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Re: [e-users] Question regarding efm

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On Sun, 6 Jan 2013 05:50:05 -0800 (PST) mk joz_...@yahoo.ca wrote:

 - Original Message -
 From: Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
 To: Enlightenment users discussion  support
 enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Cc: 
 Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 9:33:48 PM
 Subject: Re: [e-users] Question regarding efm
 
 Hello,
 
 On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:23 AM, mk joz_...@yahoo.ca wrote:
  E17
  is the best. The new default theme is far the best. I love the
  preview window of the file manager because this way I seldom need
  to use image viewer. Unfortunately, it doesn't preview raw image
  formats. I'm a photographer and I have thousands of raw images. Can
  we expect that in the future the raw image format will be added to
  efm's preview? Also when I'm previewing larger images even jpeg (20
  meg and up) the preview is a bit slow.
 
 Raw image should also be supported. You need evas_generic_loader with
 the correct dependencies for it and it should work fine. For big jpeg,
 I think you need some patch on libjpeg and I am not sure that E17 will
 trigger the correct path anyway. So that sounds like a point where we
 should improve.
 
 Thanks,
 --
 Cedric BAIL
 
 
 Thanks for replying,
 
 evas_generic_loader is installed on my system, yet raw format still
 doesn't preview.
 
 I'm using Bodhi Linux latest.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there more than one raw format?
Didn't each major camera maker invent their own?

At any rate, it's up to who ever compiled evas_generic_loader to make
sure that the development packages for the dependencies for the formats
they want are properly installed at compile time.  So might be a Bodhi
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Re: [e-users] yakuake-like terminology

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 22:54:16 +0200 mplia mpliaaa mpli...@gmail.com
wrote:

 You could bind a key to launch the terminal, and another for the
 shade up mode toggle. Unfortunately the shade-up doesn't seem to
 work with frame-less windows (windows without the top title border).

If it's being hidden up top, just hide the top title border past the top
of the screen.  B-)

 Regarding the quickaccess module, un-check transient and the binding
 will exist for new windows. Also checking relaunch when closed will
 spawn a new session whenever you close the active one (very annoying!)
 
 cheers
 
 
 2013/1/2 Vito De Tullio vito.detul...@gmail.com:
  Carsten Haitzler wrote:
 
  I am a big yakuake/guake/tilda/kuake/... fan. I really like to
  always have a F12-touch-distance available terminal.
 
  Is there some plan to develop a slide-from-above, always present
  modality for terminology?
 
  no. never. because this kind of feature belongs in a wm not a
  terminal.
 
  I respectfully disagree: while some of the aspect can (should? but
  so the experience depends not only from the program, but also from
  the wm?) be handled by the wm there is more than the slide from
  above in a yakuake- style terminal emulator.
 
  On top of my head, a couple of features I really find necessary for
  this kind of programs are the possibility to handle tabbed and
  split sessions. Furthermore there is the always present modality:
  if I log out (via e.g. CTRL-D) from a session, there should be
  spawned another one.
 
  I found and activated the quickaccess module and I think it's really
  interesting, but it seems to me that it attaches to a process,
  so, if I exit and re-enter terminology the binding is lost.
 
  BTW: is there some API or something like that to set position and
  size to a window with enlightenment wm?
 
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Re: [e-users] [Solved sort of] HDMI Mixer

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On Wed, 2 Jan 2013 20:48:40 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote:

 I'll speak for myself. I don't like pulse, really. I don't.
 
 Having an audio layer over an audio layer, to me, sucks. And I don't
 see any advantages on having it (well, maybe is simpler to configure,
 I may give you that)
 
 My system has an onboard ATI chipset for audio and video (has HDMI),
 and a discrete NVidia 550 (also has hdmi). I'm using 2 monitors, one
 with DVI and the other with DVI-VGA. I'm using the onboard sound
 card (has 6 plugs). And i DON'T have anything related to pulse
 installed.
 
 In my experience, it is possible to have everything 'just working'. I
 reinstalled debian wheezy 2 weeks ago, I did not configure alsa and
 it just works. E has a mixer module, it recognises both sound cars
 (right click on gadget - preferences) and you may select which
 channel to default. To me, it was easy to configure it fisrt with
 'alsamixer', but then E took that configuration and 'just work'. No
 pulse audio, no middle layers, E to ALSA.
 
 My 2 cents =)
 
 
 PS: from time to time, I use jackd for more serious things, and
 everything keeps working (when apps like chrome or firefox are not
 locking on alsa)

And there you have stumbled upon one of the other reasons things like
pulse audio exist - no locking, they learn to share.  Just saying.  B-)

In my experience, pulse audio also just works, with the definition of
just works varying to the same degree as yours did.  In other words,
works fine and the problems (which all Linux audio systems have) just
get swept under the carpet coz they don't annoy me too much, and I can
keep claiming just works until the cows come home.  They all suck,
you just get to pick which problems you get to pretend don't exist.  If
there was one that did not suck, then we would all be using it, and no
one would be saying audio system XYZ sucks.

 On Wednesday January 2 2013 07:12:48 Barton escribió:
  On 01/01/2013 11:09 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote:
   On Tue, 01 Jan 2013 23:02:00 -0800 Barton
   bar...@bcdesignswell.com said:
  
   Hello all,
   Great work on the 0.17 Release!
   My setup:
   e17 from the Arch Linux repo = enlightenment17 0.17.0-1
   with the standard theme.
  
   I managed to get sound output from VLC and XBMC over HDMI.
   On my desktop, however, the Mixer control recognizes my GeForce
   210 card as HDA NVidia but doesn't populate the controls. I
   suspect this is why Firefox (for example) can't connect to the
   sound driver.
  
   Is there any hope that this is being worked on?
  
   most of us just use pulseaudio - most, not all, so e's mixer
   controls pulse and thus its a pulse problem (sure controls to
   tell pulse where to direct audio would be nice) :)
  
  
  (my apologies for top posting earlier)
  Just thought I'd update you all and edit the subject line:
  Test on Firefox playing a YouTube video fail so I guessed that it
  was an x86_64 issue and installed all the pulse related lib32 stuff
  - now all test succeed.
  Thanks again,
  Barton
 
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Re: [e-users] ESTART hangs

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On Mon, 24 Dec 2012 13:29:50 +0100 Dominic Fandrey
kamik...@bsdforen.de wrote:

 On 24/12/2012 12:36, Massimo Maiurana wrote:
  Dominic Fandrey, il 24/12/2012 01:26, ha scritto:
  enlightenment_start of the e17 alpha
  
  alpha version? not the official stable release, nor any of the beta?
 
 I didn't know that there was a release, but it turned out that I'm
 using the release. I've been using e17 as my only WM for 5 years? Has
 it been around that long?

E17 has been in development for 12 years.  The first actual release was
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Re: [e-users] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17.0

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:59:41 + Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:

 And, because there have been some translation updates and minor bug
 fixes:
 
 
 * Echievements v2
 http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/echievements-2.tar.gz
 http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/echievements-2.tar.bz2

I guess someone's gotta ask, what's echievements?

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Re: [e-users] [Announce] Enlightenment DR 0.17.0

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 12:28:30 +0100 Martin Koelewijn
martinkoelew...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, 22 Dec 2012 20:41:32 +1000
 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:59:41 + Michael Blumenkrantz
  michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   And, because there have been some translation updates and minor
   bug fixes:
   
   
   * Echievements v2
   http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/echievements-2.tar.gz
   http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/echievements-2.tar.bz2
  
  I guess someone's gotta ask, what's echievements?
  
 
 It's a module depending on etrophy that counts achievements like had
 shelves on all positions, moved mouse x pixels, made x keybinding
 modifications. It'll also mention you having watched porn using e17
 while all you did was mount a network share called Video.

Wow, it's really clever.

/me renames his porn collection to skin tone tests in an effort to
fool it.

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Re: [e-users] README: E17 Release | EFL 1.7.4 Release... Today!

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On Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:48:52 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

   good luck toops. pants on. :)
   MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHAH
   
  
  let's go ruling the world! :D
 
 :)

Haven't you heard?  It's the end of the world.  Nothing left to rule.

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Re: [e-users] Beginner question on modularity of E17

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On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 20:22:29 +0100 Magnus Therning
mag...@therning.org wrote:

 I'm very new to Enlightenment so please forgive any ignorance and
 stupidity on my part.
 
 For a while now I've been running parts of LXDE together with XMonad
 on Arch Linux, but lately I've been looking around for options to
 LXDE.  I really like what I've seen of Enlightenment, it's quick and
 still very shiny.  Of course there are some things left before it's
 completely production ready, e.g. I can't seem to get entrance to
 actually let me log in.  Anyway, I'd like to switch to E17 but so far
 I haven't found a way to use it together with XMonad.  Which leads me
 to sending this email.  Is it possible to get the desktop experience
 of E17, but swap out its window manager and use XMonad instead, in the
 same way that LXDE lets me replace Openbox?

E17 IS the window manager, you can't swap out it's window manager.
Entrance is a separate display manager, and you can use it or not, E17
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Re: [e-users] Doh!

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On Mon, 3 Dec 2012 22:31:02 -0700 Michael Gehl m...@vail.net wrote:

 Please disregard my previous email to the list - it occurred to me
 that start X11 might be a good thing to do before starting
 Enlighenment. Turned out that it was. ;^)

So it was an informative error message after all.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] kayboard layout

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:34:39 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:01:51 +0100 Gabriele Piccini
 dafras...@gmail.com said:
 
  Hi All,
  finally I have last e17 svn compiled. It's awesome.
  However I have some little weird issues.
  
  -At first during wizard configuration I hadn't keyboard chooses,
  hence I controlled the source of the switch keyboard layout module
  (now I don't remember its name) and I found it want xorg.lst  file
  in the Xorg xkb directory which I haven't.
 
 eh? keyboard layout is the next question after language... it's been
 there for a while now. you don't have to touch xorg.conf
 
  I have only base.lst. I done a symbolic link to it and all worked.
  But when I start up from startx command e, the layout is US
  yet. I must switch from the switcher or restart e after boot and
  layout in changed.
  Do any variables have to be setted??
  
  -Another issue..
  Into ibar on the desktop  the Gimp icon is not showed. It's showed
  regularly into the ibar on the shelf. Any hints??
 
 eh? it is not shown in ibar and is shown in ibar? i'm ... confused?

Ibar on the desktop, nope, ibar on the shelf, yep.  Less confused now?

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Re: [e-users] kayboard layout

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On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 20:40:33 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 21:28:06 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 19:34:39 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  
   On Fri, 30 Nov 2012 09:01:51 +0100 Gabriele Piccini
   dafras...@gmail.com said:
   
Hi All,
finally I have last e17 svn compiled. It's awesome.
However I have some little weird issues.

-At first during wizard configuration I hadn't keyboard chooses,
hence I controlled the source of the switch keyboard layout
module (now I don't remember its name) and I found it want
xorg.lst  file in the Xorg xkb directory which I haven't.
   
   eh? keyboard layout is the next question after language... it's
   been there for a while now. you don't have to touch xorg.conf
   
I have only base.lst. I done a symbolic link to it and all
worked. But when I start up from startx command e, the
layout is US yet. I must switch from the switcher or restart
e after boot and layout in changed.
Do any variables have to be setted??

-Another issue..
Into ibar on the desktop  the Gimp icon is not showed. It's
showed regularly into the ibar on the shelf. Any hints??
   
   eh? it is not shown in ibar and is shown in ibar? i'm ...
   confused?
  
  Ibar on the desktop, nope, ibar on the shelf, yep.  Less confused
  now?
 
 ooh - that makes mroe sense... but still makes no sense - its the
 same ibar code - there is no code path difference in ibar or icon
 finding of desktop vs shelf. the only difference in ibar size and the
 canvas it is in. thats it. canvas doesnt determine icon finding.

Bug report less confusing now, bug itself still confusing.  We are
making progress.  B-)

From memory, the FDO spec to find icons has lots of twisty little
mazes, all different, to get through, depending on the size of icon you
are after and various other things.  So if it's a size issue, then it
might find on icon of size X where it's not finding an icon of size Y.

If it's not an icon size issue - no idea.

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Re: [e-users] /usr/bin/enlightenment -evil

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On Fri, 23 Nov 2012 00:04:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thursday November 22 2012 23:25:51 Carsten Haitzler escribió:
  On Thu, 22 Nov 2012 23:08:18 -0300 Vinícius dos Santos Oliveira
  vini.ipsma...@gmail.com said:
  
  MUHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA!
 
 Aparently, turns developers into mad people.or maybe they already
 are?
 
 
 dun dun dn

enlightenment -good will save us.  B-)

   What does this option do?

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Re: [e-users] EFL Dev Day and Barcelona

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:00:48 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
wrote:

 We are getting close to this first EFL Dev Day (don't forget to
 register !). Many developer will be in Barcelona during the weekend.
 So for those of you that are around and want to do some hack, have
 fun breaking svn badly, we do propose to meet at Fira Palace for
 Sunday afternoon and do a small hackathon (For the exact place, just
 join irc #edevelop and ask, or ask Linux Foundation desk, they will
 know where we are).
 
 The goal of this hackathon will be to make dark the default theme of
 E17 (for those that didn't follow recent activity in svn, look in
 svn/trunk/THEME/dark ).

Will dark be merged into the e17 part of the tree?  If it's the default
I hope so.  At the moment dark can't be handled by easy_e17.sh, coz
while it has a build.sh that easy_e17.sh can deal with, it's buried at
a deeper level than the build script can find.  For this reason, I've
not actually looked at dark, even though I much prefer dark themes.

I've been considering moving build.sh up a level so easy_17.sh can find
it.  Or at the very least, have another build.sh at the top level of
dark that just cd's to the right place and runs the other build.sh.

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Re: [e-users] EFL Dev Day and Barcelona

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:49:31 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
wrote:

 On Thu, Nov 1, 2012 at 4:26 PM, David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:00:48 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
  wrote:
  The goal of this hackathon will be to make dark the default theme
  of E17 (for those that didn't follow recent activity in svn, look
  in svn/trunk/THEME/dark ).
 
  Will dark be merged into the e17 part of the tree?  If it's the
  default I hope so.  At the moment dark can't be handled by
  easy_e17.sh, coz while it has a build.sh that easy_e17.sh can deal
  with, it's buried at a deeper level than the build script can
  find.  For this reason, I've not actually looked at dark, even
  though I much prefer dark themes.
 
 It will replace default directly inside e17. Yes, that it's purpose.
 The goal is to make and finish it for the release.
 
  I've been considering moving build.sh up a level so easy_17.sh can
  find it.  Or at the very least, have another build.sh at the top
  level of dark that just cd's to the right place and runs the other
  build.sh.
 
 You know build.sh is just calling edje_cc...

That's not the point.  I got tired of supporting Yet Another Way to
build stuff in easy_e17.sh, a top level build.sh isn't hard to do.  :-P

No longer caring, I'll see it when it moves inside e17.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] [E-devel] EFL Dev Day and Barcelona

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 18:48:04 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Thu, 1 Nov 2012 16:00:48 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
 said:
 
 also... this hackathon should include testing, debugging... and ...
 stuff like that. :)

I guess you did not see the have fun breaking svn badly bit?  B-)

  Hello everyone,
  
  We are getting close to this first EFL Dev Day (don't forget to
  register !). Many developer will be in Barcelona during the
  weekend. So for those of you that are around and want to do some
  hack, have fun breaking svn badly, we do propose to meet at Fira
  Palace for Sunday afternoon and do a small hackathon (For the exact
  place, just join irc #edevelop and ask, or ask Linux Foundation
  desk, they will know where we are).

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Re: [e-users] Building Enlightenment libraries with MinGW

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On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:08:08 -0400 LM lme...@gmail.com wrote:

 I uninstalled my libdl libraries temporarily to see if I could just
 build the Enlightenment libraries.  However the conflict in library
 names is still a serious issue for me.
 
 So far, I've been able to build evil 1.7.0, eina 1.7.1 and evas 1.7.1.
  However, none of them would build out of the box.  They all needed
 fixes to build properly in the MinGW/msys environment.  I don't know
 if there are any other MinGW users who are interested in building
 these libraries.  However, if there are any other MinGW users, I think
 it would save them a lot of time if they didn't have to go through the
 debug and patch process I'm having to face.  Is there somewhere I
 should report the changes I needed to make this work on my platform?

It might be better to take this to the development mailing list.  I'm
not sure that the people that look after that Windows stuff are on this
user list.

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Re: [e-users] 1.7.1 release

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On Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:10:44 -0600 Esteban Monge
esteban.franci...@gmail.com wrote:

 I am running elibs 1.7.1 and E17 77927 in producction environment and
 works very well, Debian Sid, Lenovo E420, fglrx-driver.
 
 With 1.7.0 can't use composite and have several troubles compiling
 elementary, but was my first compiled version of E17, i always used
 Debian compilations, with 1.7.1 I compile alll libraries less evil
 because  the link was broken.

Evil is a Microsoft Windows compatibility library, it's pointless
trying to compile it under Debian Linux.  So no problem.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] Getting started programming?

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On Fri, 19 Oct 2012 11:28:48 +0900 Cedric BAIL cedric.b...@free.fr
wrote:

 Hello John,
 
 On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 9:29 AM, john.d@gmail.com
 john.d@gmail.com wrote:
  I'm looking to start coding an Enlightenment text editor with the
  aim to extent it to a PovRay IDE. I've found a few simple examples
  by Rayman but was hoping for something more like a real program,
  not just an all-in-one file example.
 
  I saw one called eedit but it seems to have gone missing.
 
 There is ecrire in svn (
 http://trac.enlightenment.org/e/browser/trunk/ecrire ). I have
 absolutely no idea of what PovRay language is, so I will assume it is
 like any other development language.

If I remember, PovRay is an old and popular raycasting 3D renderer.

 Last people are thinking and starting to plan to work next year on a C
 and a JavaScript IDE. Maybe you can share the work on the editor
 widget they will implement. At least for C, they will be able to use
 LLVM infra and have a lot of information. For JavaScript they will
 likely face the same issue as you face with PovRay I guess, the lack
 of a proper Parser-AST-Language checking. Maybe you can also start
 from doing that task as it will be necessary.

I have used EFL to do parser-AST-language translation (LSL to Lua),
and I think Discomfiter did some for the azy project in the EFL SVN
tree. My project is at -

https://github.com/onefang/SledjHamr/tree/experimental/LuaSL

Those might help as examples as well.

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Re: [e-users] [Announcement] New E17 Snapshot

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 07:53:37 +0100 Michael Blumenkrantz
michael.blumenkra...@gmail.com wrote:

 This is the ice cream sundae of releases.

Ice cream sundae?  Is it compatible with Android Ice Cream Sandwich?

It's all very cool.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] [Announcement] New E17 Snapshot

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On Fri, 12 Oct 2012 16:39:20 +0900 Jérôme Pinot ngc...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 10/12/12 07:53, Michael Blumenkrantz wrote:
  I'm off on vacation next week (again), so here's another amazing
  snapshot of E17
  http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/showl=ennews_id=60http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=news/showl=ennews_id=59
  
  And the downloads are here:
  http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots
  /2012-10-12/enlightenment-0.16.999.77927.tar.gzhttp://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/2012-09-18/enlightenment-0.16.999.76819.tar.gz
  http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots
  /2012-10-12/enlightenment-0.16.999.77927.tar.bz2http://download.enlightenment.org/snapshots/2012-09-18/enlightenment-0.16.999.76819.tar.bz2
  
  This is the ice cream sundae of releases. You should all consume it
  immediately and without hesitation.
 
 Your links are pointing to the old snapshots. Back to the future?

That's what happens when you type with sticky fingers while consuming
ice cream sundae's in a hurry.

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Re: [e-users] Just a dumb question

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On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 13:27:21 +0200 Massimo Maiurana
maiur...@gmail.com wrote:

 Harry, il 10/10/2012 12:03, ha scritto:
 
  So how can this be switched into just *one* mail per day?
 
 see the footer in every message and then the very bottom of the page
 it links to.

I think Harry said he had already poked around the web site.  Mailman
can be tricky to get into though.

Start by going to
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users

Down the bottom where it says To unsubscribe from enlightenment-users,
get a password reminder, or change your subscription options enter your
subscription email address: enter your email address that the emails
are being sent to.  Hit the Unsubscribe or edit options button.

You will be asked for your mailing list password, type it in and login.

Then you get to a page full of options, the second one in the bunch of
grey backgrounded options near the bottom is Set Digest Mode.  Across
the page on that line is Off and On.  Click On, then hit
the Submit My Changes button at the bottom.

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Re: [e-users] First Terminology impressions

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On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:23:01 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Fri, 5 Oct 2012 21:35:28 +0200 Andreas Volz li...@brachttal.net
 said:
 
  - if I switch mc with Alt-O then the commands in background are
  cleared
 
 umm this exits mc? u mean on exit the terminal is missing its
 previous content?

Perhaps Ctrl-O was meant?  It switches between a full terminal shell
and back to MC.

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Re: [e-users] How can I resize pager in the shelf?

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:17:22 +0800 P Purkayastha ppu...@gmail.com
wrote:

 On 09/22/2012 09:12 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo wrote:
  Hello, this is Daniel Juyung Seo.
 
  I have 8 virtual desktops (4 cols x 2 rows) and the pager in the
  shelf is too small.
  Look at the bottom right of the screen shot.
  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-505d9b7b23a8d7.75262513.jpg
 
  How can I resize it to make it bigger?
  I know it's not possible to resize the pager vertically and
  horizontally at the same time because the small shelf can't contain
  it.
  But it will be good if I can use pager well with my current virtual
  desktop settings. (4 cols x 2 rows)
  If there no way to do this, never mind.
 
  Thanks in advance.
 
  Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
 
 You can get it slightly bigger by changing the look to plain instead
 of inset. Other than that, the only option is to increase the size of
 your shelf.

I use a large shelf just for that, and the few other things I want to
be large.  The rest I keep on a more normal sized shelf.

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Re: [e-users] How can I resize pager in the shelf?

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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 23:23:36 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo
seojuyu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Awsome!!
 I forgot that I could have multiple shelves.
 
 So now it looks like this:
 http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-505dc99d50e029.50326911.jpg
 
 Thanks man.
 
 Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
 
 On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 11:10 PM, Carsten Haitzler
 ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 22:58:10 +0900 Daniel Juyung Seo
  seojuyu...@gmail.com said:
 
  you can put a much bigger shelf in an unused corner and have pager
  live in that :)

Er, that's what I said, you can see it in the quotes below.  :-P

  Yes having margin will be good but we don't have it.
  Using a pager gadget wass a good idea :)
  I should not move other windows over the pager gadget though.
 
  Now my desktop looks like this:
  http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-505dc3ca5a1180.60218429.jpg
 
  Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
 
  On Sat, Sep 22, 2012 at 9:42 PM, fancris3 fancr...@gmail.com
  wrote:
   On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 16:24:18 +0300, David Seikel
   onef...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 21:17:22 +0800 P Purkayastha
   ppu...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   On 09/22/2012 09:12 PM, Daniel Juyung Seo wrote:
Hello, this is Daniel Juyung Seo.
   
I have 8 virtual desktops (4 cols x 2 rows) and the pager in
the shelf is too small.
Look at the bottom right of the screen shot.
http://www.enlightenment.org/ss/e-505d9b7b23a8d7.75262513.jpg
   
How can I resize it to make it bigger?
I know it's not possible to resize the pager vertically and
horizontally at the same time because the small shelf can't
contain it.
But it will be good if I can use pager well with my current
virtual desktop settings. (4 cols x 2 rows)
If there no way to do this, never mind.
   
Thanks in advance.
   
Daniel Juyung Seo (SeoZ)
  
   You can get it slightly bigger by changing the look to plain
   instead of inset. Other than that, the only option is to
   increase the size of your shelf.
  
   I use a large shelf just for that, and the few other things I
   want to be large.  The rest I keep on a more normal sized shelf.
  
   or you can put on desktop gadgets ,here resize work, but will
   becovered by windows
   because e dont have settings for desktop margins , bug closed :(
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Re: [e-users] Embedded E17

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On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 19:29:26 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 20:07:06 -0400 Nigel Sollars nsoll...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  Hi,
  
  The Pandaboard build is using Buildroot,  with native compiler the
  UI idea is rather recent.  I am familiar with OpenEmbedded and BB
  recipes.  Il take a look at that also.
 
 hmm well then u have to provide all the dependencies. i have a script
 at home that builds all deps and all of e and efl from src - well
 everything except libc (everything above libc it builds and stuffs
 into /opt/e). it works on i386 but i have problems with x86_64 and i
 just havent had the time to sort them out- they're issues down in gcc
 land (yes - it builds its own gcc too as we need to do provide a
 libstdc++ and depend on it - damn u c++!).

You might want to look at http://www.landley.net/code/aboriginal it's
what I use for embedded work.  It builds a minimal self hosting Linux,
including gcc and a libc, for a variety of CPUs.  The result is then
used to build the rest of the OS in Qemu, emulating the target CPU,
and using distcc for speed.  I use it to build EFL and my embedded
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Re: [e-users] ecore-x to install e17

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On Thu, 13 Sep 2012 10:38:17 +0530 Amit S a...@smargav.com wrote:

 Few days back, I was having a similar X11 issue.
 I installed libecore-x (dev) library from Synaptic (I run ubuntu
 distro).

We pointed out in your thread, that's not a good solution.  Trust
raster when he says that proper X11 development packages need to be
installed before you start to build the EFL libraries.  That way a
proper libecore-x library will be built for your system.  Instead of
just using a random one that may or may not match the rest of the build
you do.

 On Thu, Sep 13, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Carsten Haitzler
 ras...@rasterman.comwrote:
 
  On Wed, 12 Sep 2012 21:56:15 +0200 Florian
  florian_vig...@yahoo.fr said:
 
   Hello everyone!
  
   To install e17, I have downloaded sources on
   http://enlightenment.org/p.php?p=downloadl=en
   Then tar -xvzf toto;cd toto;./congigure;make;make install for each
   module in the indicated order.
  
   When I have tried to install enlightenment to finish, I had this
   error: No package 'ecore-x' found
  
   But ecore have been compiled without error.
   I found that ./configure was ignoring --enable-ecore-x
   I tried to install some headers about X.
   Now, it tries to build ecore-x but 'make' is full of errors.
 
  x is auto-detected. --enable'ing it wont work better than
  auto-detection. if
  the dependencies are not found then it will not allow it to be
  enabled and disable it again.
 
  if yu start manually installing header files you most likely will
  miss something - so install the x11 dev/devel packages for your os.
 
  ps the packages are listed on the download page. package names MAY
  be different
  for your distro and u of course need dev or devel packages. you
  will have to
  adapt the pkg names for your distribution.
 
   Can anyone give me the good packages from X to install in order to
   finish enlightenment install, please ?
  
  
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Re: [e-users] Runtime Error - Cannot create window

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 20:11:22 +0530 Amit S a...@smargav.com wrote:

 Yayy!
 
 Got it working...
 
 For people who are stuck like me,
 
 I did following steps to resolve it.
 
 1. Removed all previously installed EFL libraries.
 2. Installed all the required dependencies
 3. Compiled, Build  installed as suggested in the downloads link.
 
 However, even then there was an issue with X11.
 
 Since I am using Ubuntu, I installed libecore_x.so library from
 Synaptic package manager. (Carsten mentioned about x11 libraries)
 
 This resolved my problem.

Still sounds odd.  Building ecore should have built that library.
Perhaps you are missing some X11 development headers?

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Re: [e-users] e17 minor issue list

[David Seikel]

On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 16:54:00 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Tue, 4 Sep 2012 10:20:35 +0300 (EEST) Robert Krambovitis
 rob...@split.gr said:
 
 Generic E related:
 - Annoying: When restarting E, any window that was maximised
 with the fill
 option is remembered as normal maximised. i.e. if I use the
 fill
 option to
 tile windows to my liking, after restarting E, all those
 windows will take up
 the entire screen.

ok.

 - Obvious: Ability to set a threshold of screen size % above
 which
 the window
 is considered maximised, so when clicking the maximise
 button, instead of
 growing say 5 pixels, it will revert to a predefined
 unmaximised
 size. Or
 at least after growing 5 pixels, and re-clicking, instead of
 shrinking those
 5 pixels back, it will revert to said predefined size.

not so simple. if the normal size is almost maximized... then
e has
no idea
WHAT the normal size WAS - ever.e places a property on the
window that
survives a restart: __E_WINDOW_BORDER_SIZE and this holds the
normal
geometry. ie geometry before e did a maximize. if the geom
before e did a
maximize is almost maximized.. then what IS normal? e has zero
clue.
it doesn't
know.
   
   normal could be theme defined, or configurable, i.e. a
   configuration panel in which you define thresholds / defaults.
   What I mean is that I have encountered many times when the
   maximise button is essentially useless.
   In some occasions I have encountered windows non full screen that
   were full screen size so clicking the maximise button didn't
   shrink/expand by a single pixel.
   
  
  I think there's generally something going on with window size and
  state remembering. I think it's related to having multiple
  instances. i.e. I have 3 separate terminals running, which one will
  it remember ? so it remembers a large size and an unmaximised
  state, which combines into a useless maximise button on next start
  of E. Similarly, pidgin chat window and userlist get confused etc
  which may be what's happening with my fill for tiling issue.
 
 if the rememebred windows are not uniquely identifiable then its not
 possible to remember them correctly. as such they much set properties
 (name, class, role etc.) for this to be possible and these must be
 DIFFERENT per window.

A typical trick is to name the terminal windows on their title bar,
each one with a different name.  Some terminal programs let you do that.
Then E17 can tell them apart based on the window name, and remember
things differently for each one.  How to set that up depends on which
terminal program you use, a command line option, or an ANSI sequence
echoed to the terminal.

For pidgin, the role of the windows can be used.  Pidgin has
conversation and buddy_list as the windows roles for the ones you
mentioned.

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Re: [e-users] New EFL release cycle 1.7

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On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:04:11 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 We'd like to announce a new release of several Enlightenment
 components. This release synchronizes all EFL released to have a
 consistent version of 1.7 for easier tracking and management.

Er, this is a full release, and not a BETA, as mentioned in the
previous email?

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Re: [e-users] Terminology 0.1

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:16:09 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 I'd like to announce the first official release of Terminology.
 Version 0.1. It's a basic function terminal with some bonus extras
 that uses EFL. It's fast and simple with some nice extra candy. It
 still has a long way to go to be complete.

A terminal program that can play videos in the text cursor I would not
classify as basic or simple.  lol

Bonus extras, yep certainly.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] New EFL release cycle 1.7

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:21:07 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 20:14:21 +1000 David Seikel onef...@gmail.com
 said:
 
  On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 19:04:11 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
  ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
  
   We'd like to announce a new release of several Enlightenment
   components. This release synchronizes all EFL released to have a
   consistent version of 1.7 for easier tracking and management.
  
  Er, this is a full release, and not a BETA, as mentioned in the
  previous email?
 
 subject wrong. see next mail.

Best to spell it out to stop the confusion.  This WAS the next mail
according to the time stamps at my end.

Is it a full release, or BETA?

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Re: [e-users] New EFL release cycle 1.7

[David Seikel]

On Thu, 30 Aug 2012 12:18:22 +0100 Stefano pietran...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Carsten Haitzler
 ras...@rasterman.com wrote:
 
  seriously. what do you think? did you even spend 3 seconds to scan
  the content of the mail?
 
 seriously. You would have spent less time writing This is NOT a beta
 rather than what you've actually written ;-)
 
 anyway...
 
 according to the headers I got:
 
 first email (with BETA in subject) was sent at 11:02, this email
 (WITHOUT BETA in subject), was sent at 11:04

Seriously, it's not about what I think, it's about clearing up the
confusion for EVERYONE.  That's why I asked.  Just state it clearly for
all to know for sure raster.  B-)

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Re: [e-users] New tiny feature request

[David Seikel]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 21:47:52 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman)
ras...@rasterman.com wrote:

 just fyi i have 1 machine where i MUST use powersave. its an old
 pentum-m. it can clock to 600 or 1000mhz. at 1000mhz if it runs for
 more than about 40sec it overheats so much that it THROTTLES (not
 clockrate - acpi throttle states) and performance drops through the
 floor to be much worse than staying at 600mhz. literally it doesn't
 have a cpu fan. it's passively cooled only. its a special ULV version
 of the pentium-m. so... here is a situation where you HAVE to use
 powersave just to function properly. the high clockrates are for
 short-bursts only. also... you may not live in a country that gets
 hot, but if you live somewhere were a hot summer day is in the
 40's... you may reconsider the idea that powersave is useless. :)

For the metrically challenged amongst us, Raster means 40 degrees C,
which when converted to the official Australian temperature scale is
bloody hot.

I do live in the more tropical parts of Australia, without air
conditioning.  For my last computer I had to watch the internal
temperatures carefully on hot days, and not do certain things like
lengthy compiles and 3D virtual worlds.  Otherwise it would over heat
and shut down.  My current computer is better behaved, but I keep an
eye on things just out of habit.

Oh, and I never relied on the E CPU temp module, it always read the
wrong sensor, or averaged the right one with the wrong ones, giving
nonsensical results.  When it's 40 degrees indoors, I'm almost positive
my CPU is not running at 27 degrees.  lol

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Re: [e-users] Ubuntu and the Python EFLs

[David Seikel]

On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 22:46:22 +0200 thomasg tho...@gstaedtner.net
wrote:

 On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 10:25 PM, Jeff Hoogland
 jeffhoogl...@linux.com wrote:
  So by default the python EFLs are installing themselves to
  /usr/share/pyshared
 
  That would be fine and good if Ubuntu's build of python 2.7 detected
  installed modules there. By default it doesn't though - import
  elementary fails.
 
  Things need to be installed into /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages
  for python 2.7 on 12.04 to use/see the modules properly. What is
  the best way to go about getting the python modules to install to
  here by default?
 
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 I'm fairly certain that's a distribution specific problem.
 There is no mention of pyshared in python-efls build system, so this
 comes from the distro.
 Here it uses $PYTHONPATH and $pyexecdir which should be the proper way
 to do it and works for me(tm).
 
 Sounds like a problem for your distributor I think.

While on that subject, python EFL bindings no longer compile under
Ubuntu 10.04, but they used to.  It's the version of Cython needed,
Ubuntu 10.04 supplies 0.11.2.  It used to work, until recent commits
increased the needed Cython version.  Ubuntu 10.04 is still officially
supported by Canononical, and still in use by lots of people.  Hell,
some versions of 8.04 are still supported.

Yes, I know, Cython is not needed for compiling from tarballs, but I
compile from SVN.  :-P

I have always said that we should use the lowest version of
dependencies that is possible, coz people are still using old versions
for good reasons.  Having bleeding edge dependencies just results in
lots of bleeding.

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