Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 10:01:37PM +1000, David Seikel wrote: >On Thu, 15 Oct 2015 18:54:44 +1100 Dave <d...@flex.com.au> wrote: > >> In the year 2015, of the month of October, on the 15th day, Markus >> Törnqvist wrote: >> > On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote: >> > >I would have thought something that starts with >> > >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually >> > >knows what they are doing. Deep magic that is only documented at >> > >the source level. >> > Well, yeah, but... What is it for? >> Are you sure you want to know? Can you handle the truth?! >> Well, OK ... it sets a variable called "really_know", in E's main >> function, to a boolean true value. >> There, the truth is out now. Remember, with great knowledge, comes >> great responsibility. > >lol > >Actually, what it does is to enable a bunch of stuff that might be >still alpha API, hence the need to really know what you are doing. It Ah, nice, thanks for the reply :) Wonder what the psychotic switches are for then :) [...] >--enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably- > >(deep breath before I say the rest of the name) > >break-things-and-i-will-fix-them-myself-and-send-patches-aaa > >The -aaa bit at the end is to outwit people that set this then >forget about it. It gets changed every now and then, which breaks the >build, so these people then have to figure out why, and get reminded >that they have it turned on, and what they should do about it if other >stuff breaks. Might prompt them to turn it off, long after they needed >it. This is an interesting approach. Basic dogma says software developers should be real professional and document their switches and all that, but I suppose Enlightenment has gotten enough standing with the DIY-minded crowd that this is warranted. >In my case, I use alpha APIs coz I'm developing a 3D application that >uses the new EO and Evas_3D stuff. This is a huge project that wont be Can you tell more about it? ;) Thanks! -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 08:34:30AM +1000, David Seikel wrote: >I would have thought something that starts with >"i-really-know-what-i-am-doing" requires someone that actually knows >what they are doing. Deep magic that is only documented at the source >level. Well, yeah, but... What is it for? >-good/-evil/-psychotic is deliberately NOT documented anywhere, >Rasters little joke. Ask him. B-) I thought I did; he's subscribed to the list ;) -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 08:41:01PM +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >On 13/10/15 13:46, Markus Törnqvist wrote: >> On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 05:27:56AM -0700, pe...@silmaril.ie wrote: >>> The Ubuntu repos only have e17 anyway, so for end-users like me >>> there is no choice. >> Nice, didn't know it's packaged! >I don't think e18/19/20 are available as packages. No, but an official e17 package is better than nothing. >> Umm, I dunno, it builds just fine on Debian Stable. > >Quite possibly, but not on Ubuntu 14.04. Haven't tried 15.04 yet, I'm >waiting for a sacrificial machine to become available. Debian Stable (Jessie) was released on 2015-04-25 so it hasn't gone stale yet. Not a huge surprise an older Ubuntu might not work. I'm a huge fan of VirtualBox for some things, although I guess the world is moving towards Docker images for everything. Whatever. >> https://github.com/mjtorn/e17build is my builder script, it builds >> it under /opt/e19/. >For e17 only? No, it builds e19 just fine. Preferrably if you install the Python dependencies system wide and run with sudo. There are some rough edges, --rebuild is untested etc. Run with sudo it could automate a lot more, but instead it prints out what to do after a build. >> There was e18 in between and e20 is in alpha, so I wouldn't go so far >> as saying that e19 isn't end-user-friendly. I think my glitches came >> from the fact I've been carrying my ~/.e/ around since e17 and >> automatic updates for the conf files didn't exist way back. > >I'm probably being hypercritical; I did my PhD in interface usability, >so I tend to look at everything through a usability microscope. Nice! I don't agree with "The interface is the product" if taken literally, because the interface is the goddamned interface, not the product. Sure it's hugely important and hackjobs like my enlightenment builder barely pass the bar even for me. Despite that, I try to care about making things easy and intuitive to use. Which is why I like enlightenment - I can customize everything to match how my brain works and use it accordingly ;) -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Weird switches (Was: Re: e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive)
On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 10:43:32AM +1000, David Seikel wrote: > >I do a local build from git master every release under Ubuntu 12.04. >On the other hand, I don't care so much about mounting USB drives >automatically, and I use the dreaded - > > --enable-i-really-know-what-i-am-doing-and-that-this-will-probably-break... Is this and -good/-evil/-psychotic documented anywhere? Switches like that are on the border of "not cool" anyway, but it'd be interesting to know what they're about. -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive
On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:51:22AM -0700, pe...@silmaril.ie wrote: > >Can you actually install udisks AND udisks2? I would have thought they >would conflict. mjt@berserkr:~$ dpkg -l | grep udisks ii gir1.2-udisks-2.0:amd64 2.1.3-5 amd64 GObject based library to access udisks2 - introspection data ii libudisks2-0:amd64 2.1.3-5 amd64 GObject based library to access udisks2 ii libudisks2-dev:amd642.1.3-5 amd64 GObject based library to access udisks2 - development files ii udisks 1.0.5-1+b1 amd64storage media interface ii udisks2 2.1.3-5 amd64 D-Bus service to access and manipulate storage devices (Debian stable) And yeah, I kinda quit caring about exact packages at the time, so I don't know if only udisks2 would suffice. Maybe, maybe not; maybe a distro package maintainer will step up one day and care for the whole community. >I have another machine (at work) running e17 on Ubuntu 15.04 where I >found that plugging in a USB stick *does* pop up a nice little icon of >a USB stick. I'm still on Ubuntu 14.04 at home, so maybe an upgrade is >needed. I have nothing on e17. Can't remember why I eventually upgraded, it's a fine wm, but when googling for *anything* that says explicitly e19 and getting only e17 results there's something too legacy-like about it. -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Missing icons
On Sun, Oct 11, 2015 at 10:23:05AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: >On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 18:49:17 +0300 Markus Törnqvist <m...@nysv.org> said: >> Efreet seems dead though, does it exist anymore and is it relevant? > >not dead. still used. you should have an efreetd running. the efreet lib will >launch an efreet automatically if it cant be contacted. i moved it from dbus to >ecore ipc (sockets) several months ago. Ooh nice! I see it in the process list. >> I do have this symlink in place: [Ethumb.service.link] >> There is no Ethumb service running though. >ethumb not needed. and it would run on demand - not all the time. Ok, this makes sense :) After banging my head against a wall for long enough, I got the icon situation _kind of_ fixed, through a workaround that makes little sense. Wrote about it on https://phab.enlightenment.org/T751 but the TL;DR is that I deleted the module.everything.cache files, which don't even refer to icons, and now it finds the icons :P Thanks! -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Releases
On Mon, Oct 12, 2015 at 05:47:44AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: > >fundamental bug in relying on eo in a RELEASED piece of sw. eo/eolian are >unstable. they break. I disabled Enventor from my build script because of fails, to be investigated later. That makes me think should it be "un-released"? Or is there an estimate for eo/eolian stability? Thanks! -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive
On Fri, Oct 09, 2015 at 08:54:41AM +0300, Markus Törnqvist wrote: >Funny thing is I have the udisks2 packages installed at home, I'm sure, but at >work I have the libudisks2-dev but no libudisks-dev, so maybe if I have both >at home this could be a bug that it builds against the wrong one? Any takes >on this theory? I'll consider this issue gone - reinstalled my desktop with Debian Jessie to match the laptop and it works. Installed udisks and udisks2 packages and it works. The first time it hung so I had to restart xdm but now it seems ok. -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Missing icons
Hi! I upgraded my e19 installation recently to the latest stable releases on http://download.enlightenment.org/ and got a side-effect. Not only do I lack most icons (like Gimp) though some work (like firefox-mozilla-build) but instead of looking like placeholders and wtf[1] they're simply missing! I think there was something about Efreet or some other service taking care of this? Efreet seems dead though, does it exist anymore and is it relevant? I do have this symlink in place: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 63 Oct 10 18:39 /usr/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service -> /opt/e19/share/dbus-1/services/org.enlightenment.Ethumb.service There is no Ethumb service running though. Does that take care of icons nowadays? [1] Unfortunately I'm in a hurry. Opened an issue with roughly this title in Phab some time ago but now I can't seem to find it. PS. Looking at a directory with tons of jpegs, I see thumbnails correctly so at least that's not broken. Thanks for any and all help! -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive
On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 10:48:01PM +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >On 07/10/15 20:45, Roy Reese wrote: > >> I know that in E19 (and I assume E17), you can set EFM to *not* mount >> drives automatically. See Settings > File Manager > Device and >> uncheck "Mount volumes on insertion". > >In e17 it's Settings > All > Files > File Manager. Not to try to hijack this thread, but I just updated my home desktop e19 to latest stable on Debian Sid. USB sticks give me an unable to mount timeout error. Upgraded the work laptop earlier, gonna check the situation there tomorrow. Is Places useful for this? It does not appear to be officially released... -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e19 - Mount and Unmount USB drive
On Thu, Oct 08, 2015 at 10:08:51PM +0300, Markus Törnqvist wrote: >On Wed, Oct 07, 2015 at 10:48:01PM +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >Not to try to hijack this thread, but I just updated my home desktop >e19 to latest stable on Debian Sid. USB sticks give me an unable to mount >timeout error. > >Upgraded the work laptop earlier, gonna check the situation there tomorrow. Took this up on IRC and checked the laptop. At home I have Mode: UDISKS under the File Manager settings - here I have Mode: UDISKS2. Funny thing is I have the udisks2 packages installed at home, I'm sure, but at work I have the libudisks2-dev but no libudisks-dev, so maybe if I have both at home this could be a bug that it builds against the wrong one? Any takes on this theory? The script I use to build this checks for /bin/systemd and enables systemd in EFL if available; I thought I had this at home but if I remember the config.log correctly it's only on my laptop that it enabled systemd. Going to gather a ton of forensics, or the actual laptop, with me today and get back if/when I have a solution for this. -- mjt -- ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Automounting
On Mon, Oct 13, 2014 at 01:45:35PM -0300, Wido wrote: In my case, it says mode:raster. I know that option works as I've tested it How did you change it to raster? some time ago, but I can't help you much more than that, I'm in e19 and don't really use that. I'm also using the 'places' gadget which also has an automount option, I know using a gadget for what the desktop should do is not the solution, but it can do the trick AND it also has a cool gadget I might look into that, but I don't think it's a good solution if it doesn't ship with enlightenment... -- mjt -- Comprehensive Server Monitoring with Site24x7. Monitor 10 servers for $9/Month. Get alerted through email, SMS, voice calls or mobile push notifications. Take corrective actions from your mobile device. http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Automounting
On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 09:52:07PM -0300, Wido wrote: Do you have libudisk2 installed? I think that does the trick. Installed it. Compiled efl and enlightenment, with --enable-mount-eeze even and does not automount when I stick the usb stick in. What's the deal with Mode: UDISKS in the settings? Is that a clue, that I should somehow change it to eeze somewhere? Cheers! -- mjt -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://p.sf.net/sfu/Zoho ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Automounting
Hi! I compiled a new e18 setup (from releases) and as far as I can tell all the mounting works except automounting. Inserting a USB stick gives me the icon a-ok, but that's it. In my File Manager Settings I have Mode: UDISKS [X] Show device icons on desktop [X] Mount volumes on insert [X] Open filemanager on mount The icon appears with an empty bubble in the corner. Sure, I can mount it by double-clicking it, or right-clicking in EFM and selecting mount, but these are not the behavior I'm looking for(!) I tried to run down whether or not this is a dbus issue, with Espionage, and there are no eeze-related messages. Should there be? Also, should eeze_scanner be running? eeze_disk_ls shows these changes without eeze_scanner running. What else I could figure out, enlightenment_sys being owned by root and setuid takes care of calling the binaries, by default, though I also added myself to the disk group. So no changes required into ~/e18/etc/enlightenment/sysactions.conf Kinda confused here, is this a real bug that warrants a ticket? PS. Tried this with a USB stick that reports removable 1 in sysfs and an external drive-in-usb-casing that says removable 0. Same behavior. Thanks! -- mjt -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Terminology: box instead of hollow cursor in active window
On Sun, Sep 28, 2014 at 11:45:53AM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Sat, 27 Sep 2014 21:21:57 +0200 Tassilo Horn t...@gnu.org said: for me. Is there a way to get a filled box cursor in the active terminology window? change theme (make your own) to make cursors whatever you like them to look like? you can make a theme simply with: edje_decc default.edj I made a theme like this, ~/.config/terminology/themes/mjt.edj http://mjt.nysv.org/scratch/enlightenment/terminology/themes/mjt.edj Don't need to take my word for it, edje_decc is always a good thing to do when downloading stuff off the internet :) Hope it helps! -- mjt -- Meet PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance Requirements with EventLog Analyzer Achieve PCI DSS 3.0 Compliant Status with Out-of-the-box PCI DSS Reports Are you Audit-Ready for PCI DSS 3.0 Compliance? Download White paper Comply to PCI DSS 3.0 Requirement 10 and 11.5 with EventLog Analyzer http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=154622311iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Rage 0.1.0 Release
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 06:00:36PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: Modifiers should be an easy addition, I would think. Up to Raster to determine how he wants Rage to behave. i could have ctrl or alt etc. with arrows keys jump a different amount - but then do we keeep or disable the accel? not sure. I tentatively like the different amout of rw/ff as it is. But what do you think about other mplayer-like shortcuts, mainly maybe o for on-screen display? Having modifiers like ctrl for other things would allow ctrl-o to be an open file dialog maybe, instead of affecting the usual behavior. Looking good tho! -- mjt -- Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] Rage 0.1.0 Release
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 08:16:47PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 13:08:48 +0300 Markus Törnqvist m...@nysv.org said: But what do you think about other mplayer-like shortcuts, mainly maybe o for on-screen display? umm why? if you move your mouse osd comes.. then goes away (if not in audio-only mode) assuming your mouse is somehting you use. any key controls to ff/rw etc. cause osd controls to appear too assuming you are controlling things right now and want some status etc. ... i tried to make the default out-of-the-box behavior as obvious as posssible to need as little manual stuff like turn osd on as possible. it could be a toggle osd forced to stay on/off but atm i fail to see a good reason. enlighten me? I'm a heavy user of the keyboard, so messing with the pointer doesn't feel right. Especially not with keyboard-driven software like mplayer and maybe Rage. The use-case for the OSD, for me, is that sometimes I just want to know for how long I've been watching something. Or how much is left. Forcing OSD on and off (ie hitting o twice) sounds like a good thing. More generally the case for mplayer keys is that there's a lot of nice enough features, turning subtitles on and off, and I'm sure a lot of people know the mplayer keybindings already as there's nothing wrong with them. Having modifiers like ctrl for other things would allow ctrl-o to be an open file dialog maybe, instead of affecting the usual behavior. Looking good tho! i didnt really see the point of an open file dialog... as u can dnd onto rage from your fm... :) multiple files accepted. :) Yeah, that was actually the first thing I did :D Like launch rage with no arguments, and dragging a video to it. I get the point why you might not want an open file dialog but is that the general trend of EFL-driven apps? I appreciate software with an open file function that allows me to find the files by typing around and open in the current app. Binding something to open the e file manager and finding files and either having them associated with an app or manually open in an app achieves the same goal, though really differently ;) -- mjt -- Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [E-devel] File management (Was: Rage 0.1.0 Release)
On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 09:06:46PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: On Mon, 25 Aug 2014 14:30:28 +0300 Markus Törnqvist m...@nysv.org said: I'm a heavy user of the keyboard, so messing with the pointer doesn't feel right. Especially not with keyboard-driven software like mplayer and maybe Rage. almost everything is keyboard driven in rage. in fact osd appear/disappear is the only thing not explicitly kbd controlled - its implicit in any action - eg toggle loop mode, or pause/play or ff/rw etc. it comes on at any of these. i guess an o for that would be something that could be added. Sweet! :) The use-case for the OSD, for me, is that sometimes I just want to know for how long I've been watching something. Or how much is left. Forcing OSD on and off (ie hitting o twice) sounds like a good thing. More generally the case for mplayer keys is that there's a lot of nice enough features, turning subtitles on and off, and I'm sure a lot of people know the mplayer keybindings already as there's nothing wrong with them. subtitles right now have no controls at all beyond you'll get them if there is a matching .srt file or you add -sub file.srt on the cmdline. very basic atm. I seldom use subtitles myself, but as mplayer sometimes autodetects them from online backups I just turn them off. That's a shortcut key ;) Yeah, that was actually the first thing I did :D Like launch rage with no arguments, and dragging a video to it. :) i made that work as i kind of knew someone would do this and thus i made it function as you might expect. i also added it so you can dnd more and more into rage over time to add to your current playlist. :) Cool, didn't go that deep into it though, but that's definitely a good thing :) I get the point why you might not want an open file dialog but is that the general trend of EFL-driven apps? I appreciate software with an open file function that allows me to find the files by typing around and open in the current app. the dnd makes uses of another app that is devoted to futzing about finding files - the filemanager. but what you want there imho is not a file selector - that's a poor mans version of that. you want something like evrything in e built into your app - so you can navigate like a cmdline and find/play/see things. that's a whole new ballgame inho where the app wants to customize and define your view here - eg give you video thumbnails that actually play like the playlist widget on the right... this is a whole project on its own imho. So basically you mean launch full-fledged EFM in Rage's context? IIRC there was an old operating system, but I can't remember which one, that used the file manager for all open file type operations. The philosophy being that those dialogs are subsets of the file manager _anyway_ so why not just use the whole thing. At least in theory I like that thinking if it really works. Like knows that it's dealing with Rage now and not something else. Looking at how gnome does this stuff makes me sad and annoyed, so anything should be better ;) -- mjt -- Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Rage 0.1.0 Release
On Sun, Aug 24, 2014 at 10:48:09PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: It will automatically search for album art for music files, if not already cached, and display that. Tested this feature as well, after I ripped and encoded the new Opeth album Pale Communion. Seeing pictures of chicks, bikes and cars for the flacs was interesting ;) If Google ever returns more usual results, is there a way to clear the cache? Where does it live? But it's nice I guess, even if the images had nothing to do with the music ;) -- mjt -- Slashdot TV. Video for Nerds. Stuff that matters. http://tv.slashdot.org/ ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] E18.8 themes?
On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 06:10:08PM +0200, Albi wrote: New version of E uses a check for old themes. Could we have Enlightenment explain this theme is too old, plz upgradez or something? If the theme is too old, E doesn't load it. There's a few of working E19 theme, I've build a port of the GTK theme Radiance, if you are interested. http://avduma.deviantart.com/art/E19-Radiance-Theme-with-a-Lot-of-Colors-451995096 Are all e19 themes compatible? I understood the format was the same for e18 and e19 so old themes for either one should be broken now, right? It's highly customizable and you can change the colors of every widget! The e themes certainly are nice when there's a good template to work off, but having a perfect version of eflete would make life easier : -- mjt -- Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Theme editing (Was: Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful)
On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 05:45:38PM +0900, Carsten Haitzler wrote: there are several. editje in python, enventor is a new one in c (with text + preview to the left), and eflete (a theme editor geared to elementary with templates). Editje looked like it's not exactly maintained. Not sure if I brushed it off too lightly, but the manual gives 404. One Github repo/fork had commits from years ago, which doesn't sound too nice as I understand the theme format just changed... Eflete complained like crazy. Does this have something to do with the format change? ERR4538:eo lib/eo/eo.c:600 _eo_call_resolve() in lib/edje/edje.eo.c:328: you called func 'edje_obj_signal_emit' (642) which is unknown in class 'Elm_Layout'. for you - i might suggest enventor right now. Thanks, but I couldn't make heads or tails out of it... After I extracted the default theme's edj file and added the paths into Enventor's path settings, I got complaints such as these: edje_cc: Error. PARAMS: edje_cc: Error. /home/mjt/tmp/default_theme/edc/comp.edc:1 unhandled keyword group edje_cc: Error. PARSE STACK: group edje_cc: Error. PARAMS: ERR8423:edje lib/edje/edje_util.c:3098 _edje_size_min_restricted_calc() file /home/mjt/e18/share/enventor/themes/enventor.edj, group edit_layout has a non-fixed part 'elm.swallow.edit'. Adding 'fixed: 1 1;' to source EDC may help. Continuing discarding faulty part. ERR8423:edje lib/edje/edje_util.c:3098 _edje_size_min_restricted_calc() file /home/mjt/e18/share/enventor/themes/enventor.edj, group edit_layout has a non-fixed part 'elm.swallow.edit'. Adding 'fixed: 1 1;' to source EDC may help. Continuing discarding faulty part. ERR8423:edje lib/edje/edje_util.c:3101 _edje_size_min_restricted_calc() file /home/mjt/e18/share/enventor/themes/enventor.edj, group edit_layout overflowed 4000x4000 with minimum size of 414x8974. Continuing discarding faulty parts. I watched the Youtube demo video, but somehow Enventor doesn't seem very easy to use. So far I'd say Eflete looks like what I'd really like to use, but maybe we have to wait for things to mature a bit. I don't think I'm devoted enough to put the time and effort into tweaking the default theme with a text editor, though it certainly looks like it's made to be tweaked :) -- mjt -- Open source business process management suite built on Java and Eclipse Turn processes into business applications with Bonita BPM Community Edition Quickly connect people, data, and systems into organized workflows Winner of BOSSIE, CODIE, OW2 and Gartner awards http://p.sf.net/sfu/Bonitasoft ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment is Ugly and Awful
On Tue, Jun 10, 2014 at 12:31:29PM -0700, mk wrote: Think of this: why matadors use red (orange is basically red a bit of yellow added) to excite bulls? Why red is used to mark whorehouses? These colors are extremely disturbing psychologically speaking. As a piece of trivia, the Helsinki metro is a horrible orange; http://www.raitio.org/metro/kalusto/m100/m100_kuvat/109_ik.jpg http://areena.yle.fi/static/mk/images/previews/ed/ed1d4916505e4c66a708711296167e2e/47945_preview_620.jpg The rationale I heard is that when they were originally building it in the early 80s, they chose that color because they were afraid hobos and others would start hanging out in the metros. This still happens in the winters, but the color is meant to deter people. I do use a red-ish theme, can't remember which one, at home but on my laptop I only changed the background image on the default theme and it's really cool that gtk2 apps now look the same. Wish I hadn't put up with the default gtk looks for years and now it looks like I have to do that with gtk3 :/ When I was on Window Maker I made some themes of my own. Looking at these screenshots makes me feel like a kid again :D But I do wish making themes for Enlightenment was as easy as making wmaker themes back then. A couple of band-related themes: http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/entil-ajattara_theme.jpg http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/entil-kotiteollisuus_theme.jpg http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/entil-symphonyx_theme.jpg which turned out annoying to be actually used, but good finger practice. I used this one for the longest time http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/entil-alsashot.png The one I ended up finally using was this because the image is so cool. Guess it was a big hit at the time ;) http://mjt.nysv.org/screenshots/unleash_tacgnol_theme_proto.png But the story to be learned is that even a clueless kid like I-back-then could tell what works and what doesn't. Most themes for wmaker were crap - as were most for enlightenment. Noticing this should be an encouragement for theme makers to try a bit harder and I for one will read the links on color theory here, because it's all pretty new to me :D Hopefully get a theme or two ported that I used to use to enlightenment some day, but even better :) Is this still current? http://www.bodhilinux.com/e17guide/e17guideEN/creating_themes.html Wasn't there a GUI app for editing Edje files? Googling comes up kinda empty, though there seem to be references to something... Thanks! -- mjt -- HPCC Systems Open Source Big Data Platform from LexisNexis Risk Solutions Find What Matters Most in Your Big Data with HPCC Systems Open Source. Fast. Scalable. Simple. Ideal for Dirty Data. Leverages Graph Analysis for Fast Processing Easy Data Exploration http://p.sf.net/sfu/hpccsystems ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Enlightenment 0.17.4 hangs on init
On Sat, Aug 03, 2013 at 06:59:34PM +0200, ADA wrote: 3. Use eet to disable the splash screen in your e.cfg file. You can keep all your settings this way. I did this. I miss the splash screen, is it coming back? ;P Also, the primary monitor starts off all white with most of the other monitor white as well - the e17 desktop doesn't cover all the screen. It goes away if I restart e17 through the menu. Just to let you know this kind of bug exists. Another bug, the shelf went bad. I got an empty little box at the bottom there. Does anyone know where it went? Cheers! -- mjt -- Learn the latest--Visual Studio 2012, SharePoint 2013, SQL 2012, more! Discover the easy way to master current and previous Microsoft technologies and advance your career. Get an incredible 1,500+ hours of step-by-step tutorial videos with LearnDevNow. Subscribe today and save! http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=58041391iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] EConnMan issue
On Sun, Jun 02, 2013 at 03:20:02PM +0100, Gareth Bult wrote:
Thanks for that .. what would be a really good is if there was either;
a. An authoritative document detailing how to build a complete system or
Speaking of which, I'm fleshing out econnman support for
https://github.com/mjtorn/e17build
I raised the question on IRC but it might be worthwhile to ask here.
What's up with efl in git? There's a directory src/lib/edje which contains
same files as edje-1.7.7 from the release!
Then the compile fails with
EDJtests/edje/data/test_layout.edj
EDJmodules/ethumb/emotion/template.edj
EDJtests/emotion/data/theme.edj
CCLD bin/ethumb_client/ethumbd
CCLD bin/ethumb_client/ethumbd_client
CCLD bin/ethumb_client/ethumbd_slave
lib/edje/.libs/libedje.so: undefined reference to
`ecore_imf_context_input_panel_layout_variation_get'
lib/edje/.libs/libedje.so: undefined reference to `eet_mmap'
lib/edje/.libs/libedje.so: undefined reference to
`ecore_imf_context_input_panel_layout_variation_set'
collect2: error: ld returned 1 exit status
make[4]: *** [bin/ethumb/ethumb] Error 1
make[4]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make: *** [all] Error 2
Traceback (most recent call last):
File ./bin/e17build.py, line 38, in module
sys.exit(e17b.main(args))
File /home/mjt/src/git_checkouts/e17build/e17b/__init__.py, line 223, in
main
build_packages(package_dict, src_dir, instpath, thread_count=thread_count)
File /home/mjt/src/git_checkouts/e17build/e17b/__init__.py, line 158, in
build_packages
build_package(dst_dir, instpath, thread_count=thread_count)
File /home/mjt/src/git_checkouts/e17build/e17b/__init__.py, line 180, in
build_package
utils.run(make_cmd, src_dir)
File /home/mjt/src/git_checkouts/e17build/e17b/utils.py, line 154, in run
raise RuntimeError('%s exited %d' % (' '.join(cmd), retval))
RuntimeError: make -j9 exited 2
Got any clues for me? Is it looking in the wrong place?
Or is HEAD currently broken?
b. Some working packages
- I think maybe one problem is the availability of non-working packages (!)
Whenever I google this stuff, and this happens on #e as well, it seems
everyone doing their own packages so that shouldn't even be a problem.
I just don't want to use 3rd party packages very lightly. No disrespect of
course to people who distribute them, but it's easy to get stuff wrong, like
forgetting dependencies. If the packages are generated by checkinstall I
prefer my own stuff.
Besides, having issues like these may be helpful to other users or the e17
devs and just about everyone :)
My experience thus far is that Enlightenment is so much better than Gnome I'm
wondering
why anyone is using Gnome, but on the other hand, getting Enlightenment
'fully' working
does seem to be quite difficult - even for a C programmer / Linux enthusiast
(!)
Now that e17 is released this should be tons easier :)
Fingers crossed to see the code on http://download.enlightenment.org/releases/
for econnman.
Incidentally, connman is so much nicer than networkmanager .. again I'm
wondering why
Networkmanager seems to be the standard ...
I guess everyone wants to ship their own stuff.
But I'm puzzled by network management in e17 generally. It Just Works(tm)
everywhere, except this one place where huge events are held and no one has
issues ever. Except for me. Worked perfectly at home. OTOH I couldn't get it
going with iwconfig magic either, so it must run deeper than connman.
Cheers!
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[e-users] [announce] e17 builder
Hi! As I finally got around to wanting the released version of e17 and noticed that easy_e17.sh is (at least for the time being) defunct, I wrote my own builder. Hopefully it can be useful for others too, especially those who want to install and run e17 in their home directories. Written in Python, the code is (should be) clean and easy to read, hack and use. I have two setups now running built with it and I got to say it rocks. Without further ado, check it! https://github.com/mjtorn/e17build -- mjt -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] [announce] e17 builder
On Wed, May 08, 2013 at 11:13:10PM +1000, David Seikel wrote: There is a bunch in the git and SVN devs directories, including mine. I think we all have one now. B-) Hehe, yeah. Well, jtlyk and all that. Good thing these scripts are pretty fast to write, so it doesn't matter. Not really expecting everyone to cheer over this, especially as the stable releases are the base for the packages that are available for most distros :D Didn't actually even bother to look into git. I prefer, at least for the time being, a stable release, now that that's an option. And I love it! Feels much faster than the old build I had! -- mjt -- Learn Graph Databases - Download FREE O'Reilly Book Graph Databases is the definitive new guide to graph databases and their applications. This 200-page book is written by three acclaimed leaders in the field. The early access version is available now. Download your free book today! http://p.sf.net/sfu/neotech_d2d_may ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
