Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:45:04 + Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Hello, where supposed to get deleted had not been. thats not the cvs mirror :) haha. well why not use subversion? svn is the better alternative probably, i agree. Though the problem here is that sourceforge is (still) using cvs and i assume that 90% of the people programming are still used to it. it absoultely is NOT a better alternative. upstream dev repositories are cvs. having to manage a DIFFERENt repository system as a mirror is asking for trouble. well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ That might be partially the fault of install scripts... I agree. I even wrote my own script for such a purpose. It's much easier to run a script that takes care of downloading, updating, compiling, and installing all in one shot. Just run the script and you're done. And I only update about once every 2 weeks or so. Guess that's a good time window. Is there a way to have the script download the tarballs (I'm still pretty new to the shell and scripts)? And is everything in those tarballs? It seems like the cvs has a lot more applications and libs than just those 14 tarballs. you could probably download using 'wget' or 'curl' (which one you like better). Both are commandline fetching tools, just paste em the url and they will happily fetch it. They can even fetch whole websites so better read the manpages first before you actually implement using them. Martin -- Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG-Encrypted mail preferred, KEY: 0D459A72 -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 08:44:53 -0500 Geoffrey [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Daniel Kasak wrote: Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? This is for re-compilers only - of course developers still need a cvs server. My thinking as well (see my previous post on bittorrent/cvs) I'd give up my cvs access in order to reduce the load on the cvs server for the sake of the developers. that might work - though i think we will need a lot more users to make it really work right. u will still have cvs junkies. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Hi, On 26/01/06, Andrew Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tarball will be used by DEFAULT. Using CVS will still be available, just not by DEFAULT. This really is a good thing. -Andrew Yes, it is a good thing. Would it be possible to add a RSS-Feed to the tarball website so that everyone who's subscribed to this feeds gets informed as soon as there is a new tarball available? A short comment of what has been changed since the last version would be great, too, e.g. Fixed bug xyz, added feature abc. I know that this means some additional work (especially for Raster who creates the Tarballs), but it would give an overview of the planned download. If there's nothing of interest for me contained, I might not download it. Or I see that a certain feature is available, and I can't wait to have it running. This sounds like a good idea for me too, i guess i even think i know how this could be handled without too much automatition. As far as i understand it, using the 'cvs' utitility one can also extract the logs from the cvs server. That way the one who's packing stuff, in this case probably raster, would just need a script parsing the output since the last date given. I guess after the finish of my exams (at the 2. of february) i would surely find the time to provide such a script if it happens that no one has the actual time to write it, though i rather belive it shouldn't be that big deal. The goal would be that you just start the script and it actually creates the 'Changelog' + maybe even creating the tarballs + maybe generating some html changelog. If there is interest for such a script, let me know. Just my opinion Martin -- Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fachschaft Informatik, FB07 (http://fs.cs.fhm.edu), Fachhochschule Muenchen GPG-Encrypted mail preferred, KEY: 0D459A72 pgpATXoRsqup7.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
the tarball will be used by DEFAULT. Using CVS will still be available, just not by DEFAULT.This really is a good thing.-AndrewOn 1/26/06, Thomas Kuther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:35:43 -0500Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Raster, I'll start using the tarball from now on. I'll also look into changing the Gentoo ebuilds so we can get the tarball used by default instead of CVS. /me goes off to find vapier on IRC.NOOO! please leave the CVS ebuilds as they are. They're masked -*anyway. For snapshots use the versioning all other packagers use too (like e-0.16.999.023 etc) and ~arch. The -* means what it's supposedto, doesn't it?Lots of gentoo users (like me) are willing to donate $$ for new CVSserver (see recent discussions), so removing the CVS ebuilds would simply just suck hell./me goes and backs up all E CVS ebuilds.regards!---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642___enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.nethttps://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On 26/01/06, Andrew Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tarball will be used by DEFAULT. Using CVS will still be available, just not by DEFAULT. This really is a good thing. -Andrew Yes, it is a good thing. Would it be possible to add a RSS-Feed to the tarball website so that everyone who's subscribed to this feeds gets informed as soon as there is a new tarball available? A short comment of what has been changed since the last version would be great, too, e.g. Fixed bug xyz, added feature abc. I know that this means some additional work (especially for Raster who creates the Tarballs), but it would give an overview of the planned download. If there's nothing of interest for me contained, I might not download it. Or I see that a certain feature is available, and I can't wait to have it running. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 10:32:27 -0800 Andrew Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tarball will be used by DEFAULT. Using CVS will still be available, just not by DEFAULT. This really is a good thing. -Andrew Ah OK. Sorry, i got you wrong then reading you want to change the ebuilds. Nevermind. If it's an option, it is indeed a very good thing! I guess there are more users that want snapshots than live CVS, but completely removing the CVS ones wouldn't be that nice. Regards Tom --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Thu, 26 Jan 2006 22:20:24 +0100 Christian Walther [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On 26/01/06, Andrew Spott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the tarball will be used by DEFAULT. Using CVS will still be available, just not by DEFAULT. This really is a good thing. -Andrew Yes, it is a good thing. Would it be possible to add a RSS-Feed to the tarball website so that everyone who's subscribed to this feeds gets informed as soon as there is a new tarball available? A short comment of what has been changed since the last version would be great, too, e.g. Fixed bug xyz, added feature abc. I know that this means some additional work (especially for Raster who creates the Tarballs), but it would give an overview of the planned download. If there's nothing of interest for me contained, I might not download it. Or I see that a certain feature is available, and I can't wait to have it running. sorry - not going to happen. currently its a 1 shell script command. telling u all the things that changed would be tantamount to writing up an essay every time. that's not going to happen. a tarball is never uploaded with 1 or 2 small changes. theresnormally dozens at least - often multiple per library and per tarball. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
RE: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
I agreed with Curtis saying that stability is more important than up to date CVS builds. Please Curtis tell us when the news ebuilds will be ok Thanks De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De la part de Andrew Spott Envoyé: mercredi 25 janvier 2006 05:37 À: Curtis Napier Cc: enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net Objet: Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror Thanks for changing the ebuilds. They are my primary form on building E17, and I don't know enough about how to change them to be able to use the tarballs. -Andrew On 1/24/06, Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Quick note, your post went to me alone, not the list... :) Curtis Napier wrote: If the tarball at freedesktop is known good I would much rather use that than taking my chances with CVS.I also use E17 as my primary WM on 3 machines so stability is more important to me than 2 weeks of CVS bleeding-edge goodness. :-) Thanks Raster, I'll start using the tarball from now on. I'll also look into changing the Gentoo ebuilds so we can get the tarball used by default instead of CVS. /me goes off to find vapier on IRC. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Andrew Spott wrote: Thanks for changing the ebuilds. They are my primary form on building E17, and I don't know enough about how to change them to be able to use the tarballs. -Andrew On 1/24/06, *Curtis Napier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Quick note, your post went to me alone, not the list... :) Curtis Napier wrote: If the tarball at freedesktop is known good I would much rather use that than taking my chances with CVS.I also use E17 as my primary WM on 3 machines so stability is more important to me than 2 weeks of CVS bleeding-edge goodness. :-) Thanks Raster, I'll start using the tarball from now on. I'll also look into changing the Gentoo ebuilds so we can get the tarball used by default instead of CVS. /me goes off to find vapier on IRC. According to vapier the ebuilds for E17 that use the tarballs at freedesktop already exist. You simply have to use ~ARCH instead of -* in your keywords and the e- ebuild will automatically use the tarballs instead of CVS. Also, the tarball versions are not always up-to-date with freedesktop. If you are getting an older version just wait a day or two and vapier will version bump. Apparently vapier has already submitted this info to the get-e.org site and is included in the user guide under distro specific info. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Hi, That doesn't work for me, if I replace -* by ~x86 (since I have an x86) emerge complains : Calculating dependencies \ !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy e have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - x11-wm/e- (masked by: -* keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. is there something else that has to be done? Thanks, Gabriel Curtis Napier wrote: Andrew Spott wrote: Thanks for changing the ebuilds. They are my primary form on building E17, and I don't know enough about how to change them to be able to use the tarballs. -Andrew On 1/24/06, *Curtis Napier* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Quick note, your post went to me alone, not the list... :) Curtis Napier wrote: If the tarball at freedesktop is known good I would much rather use that than taking my chances with CVS.I also use E17 as my primary WM on 3 machines so stability is more important to me than 2 weeks of CVS bleeding-edge goodness. :-) Thanks Raster, I'll start using the tarball from now on. I'll also look into changing the Gentoo ebuilds so we can get the tarball used by default instead of CVS. /me goes off to find vapier on IRC. According to vapier the ebuilds for E17 that use the tarballs at freedesktop already exist. You simply have to use ~ARCH instead of -* in your keywords and the e- ebuild will automatically use the tarballs instead of CVS. Also, the tarball versions are not always up-to-date with freedesktop. If you are getting an older version just wait a day or two and vapier will version bump. Apparently vapier has already submitted this info to the get-e.org site and is included in the user guide under distro specific info. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On 25/01/06, Gabriel Rossetti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, That doesn't work for me, if I replace -* by ~x86 (since I have an x86) emerge complains : Calculating dependencies \ !!! All ebuilds that could satisfy e have been masked. !!! One of the following masked packages is required to complete your request: - x11-wm/e- (masked by: -* keyword) For more information, see MASKED PACKAGES section in the emerge man page or refer to the Gentoo Handbook. is there something else that has to be done? Thanks, Gabriel No, you're right. The only package in Portage is e-. http://packages.gentoo.org/packages/?category=x11-wm;name=e -Dusik --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On 24-Jan-2006 03:52, Carsten Haitzler wrote: well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. ---end quoted text--- Would it be possible to put the date of each package as well as the release etc. on this page? Thanks and regards, Gavin. -- Gavin Costello [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Hiho, [...] Previous quotes deleted 25GB! well then. now we have an idea what it Takes to be a cvs mirror... a fair bit. thats a constant 3mbit/s of traffic. i assume it spikes during the daytime in usa and europe maybe - so i imagine it might creep up to a good 10mbit/sec around those times at peaks? thats a lot of traffic. i actually am kind of intreigues to find out how many unique clients connect for cvs updates over a period of time (ie a rough guess at how many people are using cvs). I assume you won't be able to stand the interest in it without some load balancing, assuming you get more then one mirror. Maybe load could be reduced a bit more by providing nightly snapshots? For people like me that'd be okay, i don't update too often. (assuming the snapshots are rebuild _every_ night). just my oppinion. Martin -- Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG-Encrypted mail preferred, KEY: 0D459A72 pgpWuCwKmp5Ob.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Despite the correct use of of cvs options, whole directories that where supposed to get deleted had not been. thats not the cvs mirror :) haha. well why not use subversion? well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ That might be partially the fault of install scripts... I agree. I even wrote my own script for such a purpose. It's much easier to run a script that takes care of downloading, updating, compiling, and installing all in one shot. Just run the script and you're done. And I only update about once every 2 weeks or so. Is there a way to have the script download the tarballs (I'm still pretty new to the shell and scripts)? And is everything in those tarballs? It seems like the cvs has a lot more applications and libs than just those 14 tarballs. Lucas --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:13:40 -0500 Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ Who makes that tarball? Is it a known stable and working tarball or i make them. :) jsut whatever happened to be in CVS at the time whoever it is made it? i generally chose the time to do it when - i feel there has been significant progress and the code doesnt have any major dangling issues in cvs - so generally the tarballs are in pretty good shape. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Hello, where supposed to get deleted had not been. thats not the cvs mirror :) haha. well why not use subversion? svn is the better alternative probably, i agree. Though the problem here is that sourceforge is (still) using cvs and i assume that 90% of the people programming are still used to it. well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ That might be partially the fault of install scripts... I agree. I even wrote my own script for such a purpose. It's much easier to run a script that takes care of downloading, updating, compiling, and installing all in one shot. Just run the script and you're done. And I only update about once every 2 weeks or so. Guess that's a good time window. Is there a way to have the script download the tarballs (I'm still pretty new to the shell and scripts)? And is everything in those tarballs? It seems like the cvs has a lot more applications and libs than just those 14 tarballs. you could probably download using 'wget' or 'curl' (which one you like better). Both are commandline fetching tools, just paste em the url and they will happily fetch it. They can even fetch whole websites so better read the manpages first before you actually implement using them. Martin -- Martin Hauser [EMAIL PROTECTED] GPG-Encrypted mail preferred, KEY: 0D459A72 pgpqnriL5PJTH.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:56:02 +0100 Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Details available here: http://pascal-schwarz.ch/blog/index.php/2006/01/23/e17-cvs-mirror-news/ that's sad - but ineivtable. Is there anything out there like a bittorrent cvs solution??? -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Daniel Kasak wrote: Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? This is for re-compilers only - of course developers still need a cvs server. My thinking as well (see my previous post on bittorrent/cvs) I'd give up my cvs access in order to reduce the load on the cvs server for the sake of the developers. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ Hmm, I know how that is. I don't necessarily build e that often, but when I do, I do want the latest goodies. Still, for the sake of the current situation, I could live with a weekly build. I would simply set up a cron to get it the evening after the build. -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:13:40 -0500 Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ Who makes that tarball? Is it a known stable and working tarball or i make them. :) jsut whatever happened to be in CVS at the time whoever it is made it? i generally chose the time to do it when - i feel there has been significant progress and the code doesnt have any major dangling issues in cvs - so generally the tarballs are in pretty good shape. In that case, I'd be happy to get these rather then cvs. After all, I'm using E on my primary boxes. :) -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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On Tuesday, 24 January 2006, at 21:42:53 (+0100), Johan Verrept wrote: Any why not word deleted for dental health reasons? Because it is not a solution. It is a whole new set of problems. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- Quit playin' games with my heart before you tear us apart. I should've known from the start before you got into my heart. -- Backstreet Boys --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Not really a new solution nor a problem. I would think that if
someone wants to setup a mirror and they wanted to use svn they could.
svn happens to have a lot more choices and is more secure. In fact,
I'm personally thinking of setting up a mirror, but if I do I'll be
using svn by all means unless it just can't be done. Setting up
another CVS mirror could be looked at as another set of problems if
not maintained correctly and setup correctly. No matter if one
chooses to use svn or cvs, as long as it's done correctly and with
care it'll work IMO.
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On Tuesday, 24 January 2006, at 21:42:53 (+0100),
Johan Verrept wrote:
Any why not word deleted for dental health reasons?
Because it is not a solution. It is a whole new set of problems.
Michael
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Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Tuesday, 24 January 2006, at 14:54:08 (-0600), Hawkwind Cliff Wade wrote: svn happens to have a lot more choices and is more secure. A lot more choices for what? More secure by whose definition? In fact, I'm personally thinking of setting up a mirror, but if I do I'll be using svn by all means unless it just can't be done. More power to you. IMHO, setting up a subversion mirror of a CVS repository is just silly. Setting up another CVS mirror could be looked at as another set of problems if not maintained correctly and setup correctly. Well, duh. That can be said of anything at all. Setting up _ is another set of problems if not maintained correctly and setup correctly. Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] n + 1, Inc., http://www.nplus1.net/ Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- A little learning is a dangerous thing; Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, And drinking largely sobers us again. -- Alexander Pope, An Essay on Criticism --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Thanks for changing the ebuilds. They are my primary form on building E17, and I don't know enough about how to change them to be able to use the tarballs.-AndrewOn 1/24/06, Curtis Napier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geoffrey wrote: Quick note, your post went to me alone, not the list... :) Curtis Napier wrote:If the tarball at freedesktop is known good I would muchrather use that than taking my chances with CVS.I also use E17 as myprimary WM on 3 machines so stability is more important to me than 2weeks of CVS bleeding-edge goodness. :-)Thanks Raster, I'll start using the tarball from now on. I'll also look into changing the Gentoo ebuilds so we can get the tarball used bydefault instead of CVS./me goes off to find vapier on IRC. ---This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log filesfor problems?Stop!Download the new AJAX search engine that makessearching your log files as easy as surfing theweb.DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642___ enlightenment-users mailing listenlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Details available here: http://pascal-schwarz.ch/blog/index.php/2006/01/23/e17-cvs-mirror-news/ -- Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Details available here: http://pascal-schwarz.ch/blog/index.php/2006/01/23/e17-cvs-mirror-news/ I may be able to help - What exactly is required? David -- David J. Coulson email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: http://www.davidcoulson.net/ phone: (216) 920-3100 / (216) 258-4942 --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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a cvs server which is able to take the load (we had up to 25gb traffic a day, and it still grew) Our server was not really under high load of other applications, but we saw that cvs sometimes took a lot of cpu power On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 13:03 -0500, David Coulson wrote: I may be able to help - What exactly is required? David signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Pascal Schwarz wrote: a cvs server which is able to take the load (we had up to 25gb traffic a day, and it still grew) Our server was not really under high load of other applications, but we saw that cvs sometimes took a lot of cpu power Is this for enlightenment primary CVS, or mirroring? David --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Details available here: http://pascal-schwarz.ch/blog/index.php/2006/01/23/e17-cvs-mirror-news/ What kind of bandwidth are we talking about here? -- Until later, Geoffrey --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
thinktux is located at hetzner.de and is connected with 100mbit to a not so bad backbone. On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 13:34 -0500, Geoffrey wrote: What kind of bandwidth are we talking about here? -- Until later, Geoffrey -- Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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Hello, I can help you with the cvs server. i have a p4 2G, 1G ram, plenty of disk space... and the connection is 100mbit but it shares a 155mbit with other servers and in general only 30mbit are free in peak hours. send me an email it you think that this could help. best regards adi On 1/23/06, Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thinktux is located at hetzner.de and is connected with 100mbit to a not so bad backbone. On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 13:34 -0500, Geoffrey wrote: What kind of bandwidth are we talking about here? -- Until later, Geoffrey -- Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBD1UPamGuzzEa9XroRAqJzAKCkIAz7It0qH09swhaC6bbWJmUDsQCeNK1t Vdp9iH11xUgQsSNwHdoOFYg= =drzN -END PGP SIGNATURE- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid3432bid#0486dat1642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Pascal Schwarz wrote: a cvs server which is able to take the load (we had up to 25gb traffic a day, and it still grew) 25gb is very obscure.. do you mean 25Gb or 25GB? I'm guessing GB, but it is best to be sure. Cheers, -- Morten :wq --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 02:59:14 +0100 Morten Nilsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Pascal Schwarz wrote: a cvs server which is able to take the load (we had up to 25gb traffic a day, and it still grew) 25gb is very obscure.. do you mean 25Gb or 25GB? I'm guessing GB, but it is best to be sure. i would assume GB :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 18:56:02 +0100 Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Details available here: http://pascal-schwarz.ch/blog/index.php/2006/01/23/e17-cvs-mirror-news/ that's sad - but ineivtable. anon cvs puts a fair bit of srain not just on network but on server resources. disk space is the least worry really :) cpu and load is definitely something anyone runing a mirror will need to content with. i think it may be time to set up an anonymous cvs mirror network for e. i might consider turning sf.net anon cvs access off if this network proves to work well. hena is settign up another anonymous cvs mirror in finalnd - i'll work with him to get it fully up and maybe work on setting up some sort of template setup for buildign an anoymous cvs mirror. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] Thinktux.net CVS Mirror
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 19:09:05 +0100 Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: a cvs server which is able to take the load (we had up to 25gb traffic a day, and it still grew) Our server was not really under high load of other applications, but we saw that cvs sometimes took a lot of cpu power 25GB! well then. now we have an idea what it Takes to be a cvs mirror... a fair bit. thats a constant 3mbit/s of traffic. i assume it spikes during the daytime in usa and europe maybe - so i imagine it might creep up to a good 10mbit/sec around those times at peaks? thats a lot of traffic. i actually am kind of intreigues to find out how many unique clients connect for cvs updates over a period of time (ie a rough guess at how many people are using cvs). On Mon, 2006-01-23 at 13:03 -0500, David Coulson wrote: I may be able to help - What exactly is required? David -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:03:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it may be time to set up an anonymous cvs mirror network for e. i might consider turning sf.net anon cvs access off if this network proves to work well. hena is settign up another anonymous cvs mirror in finalnd - i'll work with him to get it fully up and maybe work on setting up some sort of template setup for buildign an anoymous cvs mirror. Then we need to make damn sure we don't get issues with the mirrors. Deletions have been a problem with thinktux, and I don't think it is just thinktuxes problem. I have seen cvs deletion problems elsewhere as well. I got bitten myself with the evas .cvsignore shmozzle. Despite the correct use of of cvs options, whole directories that where supposed to get deleted had not been. rsync, mirror software pointed at the HTML cvs browser, paranoid checking scripts, some sort of robust mechanism should be employed. This might be a problem that has been solved elsewhere, some research is in order. pgpI49i6A7muy.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? This is for re-compilers only - of course developers still need a cvs server. Dan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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i would assume GB :) correct, we're talking about gigabytes i assume it spikes during the daytime in usa and europe maybe - so i imagine it might creep up to a good 10mbit/sec around those times at peaks? yeah there are in fact spikes depending on daytime in usa and europe, but I don't know exactly how much bandwith was used then. but I think in order to be not to slow at this times, about 20mbit/s should always be unused on the server's connection Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? doesn't get-e.org provide snapshots? Then we need to make damn sure we don't get issues with the mirrors. If you really want to have multiple cvs mirrors, you maybe shouldn't use cvs to sync between them. I think rsync would be a good idea Ok, I'll go to work then... -- Pascal Schwarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 14:32:55 +1000 David Seikel [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 12:03:32 +0900 Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i think it may be time to set up an anonymous cvs mirror network for e. i might consider turning sf.net anon cvs access off if this network proves to work well. hena is settign up another anonymous cvs mirror in finalnd - i'll work with him to get it fully up and maybe work on setting up some sort of template setup for buildign an anoymous cvs mirror. Then we need to make damn sure we don't get issues with the mirrors. Deletions have been a problem with thinktux, and I don't think it is just thinktuxes problem. I have seen cvs deletion problems elsewhere as well. I got bitten myself with the evas .cvsignore shmozzle. Despite the correct use of of cvs options, whole directories that where supposed to get deleted had not been. thats not the cvs mirror :) but yes thinktux is havign issues. we need to solve this as a proper cvs mirror that works all the time - deletions addition and other things withstanding. rsync, mirror software pointed at the HTML cvs browser, paranoid checking scripts, some sort of robust mechanism should be employed. This might be a problem that has been solved elsewhere, some research is in order. definitely. also maybe there is somethign that comes with full statistics gathering and digestion too... :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 15:34:25 +1100 Daniel Kasak [EMAIL PROTECTED] babbled: Pascal Schwarz wrote: We got some problems with our mirror, we need to get another server. Forgive me if this is a silly suggestion, but how about having a daily cvs snapshot tarball thing shared via p2p? This is for re-compilers only - of course developers still need a cvs server. well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ Dan --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)[EMAIL PROTECTED] 裸好多 Tokyo, Japan (東京 日本) --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
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Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: well enlightenment.freedesktop.org provides tarballs that get made whevere cvs is kind of stable and workable every week or 2 - but people barely use it. somehow people are addicted to HAVING to use cvs and get the latest. :/ Who makes that tarball? Is it a known stable and working tarball or jsut whatever happened to be in CVS at the time whoever it is made it? --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
