Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 06:25:39 -0800 Barton bar...@bcdesignswell.com said: On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. what i am asking for here is INPUT as to what you think could be polished.. and HOW - don't just complain. provide alternatives. and don't just say it's unreadable as if we wanted purely readable it'd be only black and white with no shades at all and everything massive so you can fit 2 icons on a screen and 2 lines of text. :) there is a compromise between readable/usable, practical AND looking nice and being consistent. i want to polish off e17's theme before i launch full on into fixing up elm. so here is my current theme todo. if you have suggestions on these, please chime in. if you can draw up your ideas - even roughly, even better! e17 theme: * ilist headers a bit meh * text mouse pointer meh * button image needs more resolution for gradient * ilist/titlebar grdient image needs mroe vertical height for resolution * radio/check items need more sizes for selection dot/cross for scaling * init splash meh * frames a bit meh * bluez4 gadget ... meh * randr needs nicer clone gfx * lock screen needs panel holding entry box (and probably icon too?) * comp needs styles for slide in with clip * comp needs slide in without clip * comp needs a map based flip in style icons yes most icons were copied from old bw or minimally worked on. i don't really need comments on the icons - i know. ignore those for now. focus on the rest. icons are a related, yet separate matter. comments please! input! :) Off the top of my head: Minimized icons in Tasks are obscured almost beyond recognition (I really have to squint to make them out) and suggestion on alternative? (i made them shrink to indicate iconification). tbh my point of polishing is to ensure that if i begin on an elm theme that i dont base it off something that is bad. ... tasks is not on the list of things that matter there :) buty... do suggest a solution... because right now.. i don't have a good one in my head, so i won't do anything until i have one. :) Come to think of it, that's about the only (slight) gripe that have with it. Having said that, I realized that icons on Tasks is about all that's left of the default theme on my screen. Still, it seems worth mentioning. Thanks - great job every body!!! Barton -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Free Next-Gen Firewall Hardware Offer Buy your Sophos next-gen firewall before the end March 2013 and get the hardware for free! Learn more. http://p.sf.net/sfu/sophos-d2d-feb ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Wed, 30 Jan 2013 13:01:26 -0600 Larry Wyble widget...@gmail.com said: On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Barton bar...@bcdesignswell.com wrote: On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. Sorry to be a dumbass, but which one's the default, I forgot? :) default.edj... comes with e17.. by.. default... its the ONLY theme it comes with by default... -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
I know that E mouse works differently. Maybe I didn't explained properly. What I ment is it would be possible to allow E (somehow, with lot of black magic) replicate it's cursors to X cursors. As in create gifs or png or whatever X use for current E theme, and move that into an X theme. I know, it sounds horrible and I'm not suggesting to do that, is just a quick 'n dirt hack to explain what I would like E to do =) On Saturday February 2 2013 02:56:42 Carsten Haitzler escribió: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com said: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. Wido -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:19:34 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: I know that E mouse works differently. Maybe I didn't explained properly. What I ment is it would be possible to allow E (somehow, with lot of black magic) replicate it's cursors to X cursors. As in create gifs or png or whatever X use for current E theme, and move that into an X theme. It would not be a replication, it would be a pale imitation. The point raster was making is that E mouse pointers are active scripted objects, which is very far away from being a simple set of looped static images. Sure you could grab a static image of on E cursor at some point during it's scripted running, but at what points do you do this grabbing? Each scripted E cursor object is different, and can be entirely arbitrary, making it almost impossible to automatically pick suitable points that are useful to make a series of image grabs. So the results are likely to be really crap, and just not worth the effort of creating that black magic. Much better results could be done by the theme author picking those points carefully and making their own matching X cursor theme. Such theme authors might be making matching GTK / QT / whatever themes as well, but I would guess that most don't. I know, it sounds horrible and I'm not suggesting to do that, is just a quick 'n dirt hack to explain what I would like E to do =) On Saturday February 2 2013 02:56:42 Carsten Haitzler escribió: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com said: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. -- A big old stinking pile of genius that no one wants coz there are too many silver coated monkeys in the world. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
Hu, I guess you have a very good point. I didn't knew E cursors where so complex, I though they were just 'imitating' X behaviour. Still, I would do just bad copies as a X theme. X/GTK/QT apps would use them as they currently do. I just won't hurt that much to the eyes moving from a E cursor theme to an X theme. They won't be as cool and functional as in E, but they it won't look like you have 2 different sets of themes which behave randomly. Did I mention that having 2 differen't themes *really* annoys me? :D I will make an example, so you guys don't think I'm just whinning (ok, maybe I am =D ). I use google chrome (not chromium, but chrome). Inside the browser, I get all X cursors, so I get ugly arrow, ugly hand-on-click, ugly type-writter, ugly resizes. I would rather have bad E cursors copies (even if they are just animated gif) that ugly X cursors :D On Saturday February 2 2013 23:00:38 David Seikel escribió: On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:19:34 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: I know that E mouse works differently. Maybe I didn't explained properly. What I ment is it would be possible to allow E (somehow, with lot of black magic) replicate it's cursors to X cursors. As in create gifs or png or whatever X use for current E theme, and move that into an X theme. It would not be a replication, it would be a pale imitation. The point raster was making is that E mouse pointers are active scripted objects, which is very far away from being a simple set of looped static images. Sure you could grab a static image of on E cursor at some point during it's scripted running, but at what points do you do this grabbing? Each scripted E cursor object is different, and can be entirely arbitrary, making it almost impossible to automatically pick suitable points that are useful to make a series of image grabs. So the results are likely to be really crap, and just not worth the effort of creating that black magic. Much better results could be done by the theme author picking those points carefully and making their own matching X cursor theme. Such theme authors might be making matching GTK / QT / whatever themes as well, but I would guess that most don't. I know, it sounds horrible and I'm not suggesting to do that, is just a quick 'n dirt hack to explain what I would like E to do =) On Saturday February 2 2013 02:56:42 Carsten Haitzler escribió: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com said: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. Wido -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 23:38:37 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: Hu, I guess you have a very good point. I didn't knew E cursors where so complex, I though they were just 'imitating' X behaviour. Still, I would do just bad copies as a X theme. X/GTK/QT apps would use them as they currently do. I just won't hurt that much to the eyes moving from a E cursor theme to an X theme. and at that point... david is right.. it's part and parcel of work to do a matching gtk/qt theme and is not part of polishig up the e17 theme... :) They won't be as cool and functional as in E, but they it won't look like you have 2 different sets of themes which behave randomly. Did I mention that having 2 differen't themes *really* annoys me? :D you have that right now... gtk and qt apps.. and fltk.. and every web app (which all do their own custom css/look etc.) all look different. that's life. I will make an example, so you guys don't think I'm just whinning (ok, maybe I am =D ). I use google chrome (not chromium, but chrome). Inside the browser, I get all X cursors, so I get ugly arrow, ugly hand-on-click, ugly type-writter, ugly resizes. I would rather have bad E cursors copies (even if they are just animated gif) that ugly X cursors :D and thats yet another.. where crhomium uses gtk for some specific elements, but in general re-implements al of its own widgest and drawing anyway (often with html). the cursor is just the few things that html has yet to take over and customize. i imaginein html6 they may allow css to specify gif/png/dom elements for cursors and have js able to animate them et. then... then you're back to this complaint again. out of scrope for e17 theme polish as above. :) On Saturday February 2 2013 23:00:38 David Seikel escribió: On Sat, 2 Feb 2013 22:19:34 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com wrote: I know that E mouse works differently. Maybe I didn't explained properly. What I ment is it would be possible to allow E (somehow, with lot of black magic) replicate it's cursors to X cursors. As in create gifs or png or whatever X use for current E theme, and move that into an X theme. It would not be a replication, it would be a pale imitation. The point raster was making is that E mouse pointers are active scripted objects, which is very far away from being a simple set of looped static images. Sure you could grab a static image of on E cursor at some point during it's scripted running, but at what points do you do this grabbing? Each scripted E cursor object is different, and can be entirely arbitrary, making it almost impossible to automatically pick suitable points that are useful to make a series of image grabs. So the results are likely to be really crap, and just not worth the effort of creating that black magic. Much better results could be done by the theme author picking those points carefully and making their own matching X cursor theme. Such theme authors might be making matching GTK / QT / whatever themes as well, but I would guess that most don't. I know, it sounds horrible and I'm not suggesting to do that, is just a quick 'n dirt hack to explain what I would like E to do =) On Saturday February 2 2013 02:56:42 Carsten Haitzler escribió: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com said: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. Wido -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, -- Stefano Fortune of the day: You'd like to do it instantaneously, but that's too slow. -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 18:00:09 + Stefano pietran...@gmail.com said: On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300, you wrote: Hummm, the only thing that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? +1 same for me. Thanks, this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Fri, 1 Feb 2013 14:28:53 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: this is exceedingly hd, because x cursor themems are far more primitvie. e17 literallyhas an edje object for the cursor and emits information to it via signals.. xcursors are static images or a simple set of N images that loop. that's all tey can do. Hummm, the only thin that REALLY bothers me is not having an X paired cursor theme. That, and the fact that some GTK/QT apps change the E cursor to X cursor...that REALLY annoys me. Would it be possible to export current E mouse theme to ALSO be X mouse theme? On Wednesday January 30 2013 03:33:14 Carsten Haitzler escribió: i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. what i am asking for here is INPUT as to what you think could be polished.. and HOW - don't just complain. provide alternatives. and don't just say it's unreadable as if we wanted purely readable it'd be only black and white with no shades at all and everything massive so you can fit 2 icons on a screen and 2 lines of text. :) there is a compromise between readable/usable, practical AND looking nice and being consistent. i want to polish off e17's theme before i launch full on into fixing up elm. so here is my current theme todo. if you have suggestions on these, please chime in. if you can draw up your ideas - even roughly, even better! e17 theme: * ilist headers a bit meh * text mouse pointer meh * button image needs more resolution for gradient * ilist/titlebar grdient image needs mroe vertical height for resolution * radio/check items need more sizes for selection dot/cross for scaling * init splash meh * frames a bit meh * bluez4 gadget ... meh * randr needs nicer clone gfx * lock screen needs panel holding entry box (and probably icon too?) * comp needs styles for slide in with clip * comp needs slide in without clip * comp needs a map based flip in style icons yes most icons were copied from old bw or minimally worked on. i don't really need comments on the icons - i know. ignore those for now. focus on the rest. icons are a related, yet separate matter. comments please! input! :) Wido -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. what i am asking for here is INPUT as to what you think could be polished.. and HOW - don't just complain. provide alternatives. and don't just say it's unreadable as if we wanted purely readable it'd be only black and white with no shades at all and everything massive so you can fit 2 icons on a screen and 2 lines of text. :) there is a compromise between readable/usable, practical AND looking nice and being consistent. i want to polish off e17's theme before i launch full on into fixing up elm. so here is my current theme todo. if you have suggestions on these, please chime in. if you can draw up your ideas - even roughly, even better! e17 theme: * ilist headers a bit meh * text mouse pointer meh * button image needs more resolution for gradient * ilist/titlebar grdient image needs mroe vertical height for resolution * radio/check items need more sizes for selection dot/cross for scaling * init splash meh * frames a bit meh * bluez4 gadget ... meh * randr needs nicer clone gfx * lock screen needs panel holding entry box (and probably icon too?) * comp needs styles for slide in with clip * comp needs slide in without clip * comp needs a map based flip in style icons yes most icons were copied from old bw or minimally worked on. i don't really need comments on the icons - i know. ignore those for now. focus on the rest. icons are a related, yet separate matter. comments please! input! :) Off the top of my head: Minimized icons in Tasks are obscured almost beyond recognition (I really have to squint to make them out) Come to think of it, that's about the only (slight) gripe that have with it. Having said that, I realized that icons on Tasks is about all that's left of the default theme on my screen. Still, it seems worth mentioning. Thanks - great job every body!!! Barton -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
On Wed, Jan 30, 2013 at 8:25 AM, Barton bar...@bcdesignswell.com wrote: On 01/29/2013 10:33 PM, Carsten Haitzler (The Rasterman) wrote: i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. Sorry to be a dumbass, but which one's the default, I forgot? :) -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] e17 default theme ... polishing
i'd like to put this out there. now e17 is out - i'm looking at POLISHING the default theme. over time that is. what i am asking for here is INPUT as to what you think could be polished.. and HOW - don't just complain. provide alternatives. and don't just say it's unreadable as if we wanted purely readable it'd be only black and white with no shades at all and everything massive so you can fit 2 icons on a screen and 2 lines of text. :) there is a compromise between readable/usable, practical AND looking nice and being consistent. i want to polish off e17's theme before i launch full on into fixing up elm. so here is my current theme todo. if you have suggestions on these, please chime in. if you can draw up your ideas - even roughly, even better! e17 theme: * ilist headers a bit meh * text mouse pointer meh * button image needs more resolution for gradient * ilist/titlebar grdient image needs mroe vertical height for resolution * radio/check items need more sizes for selection dot/cross for scaling * init splash meh * frames a bit meh * bluez4 gadget ... meh * randr needs nicer clone gfx * lock screen needs panel holding entry box (and probably icon too?) * comp needs styles for slide in with clip * comp needs slide in without clip * comp needs a map based flip in style icons yes most icons were copied from old bw or minimally worked on. i don't really need comments on the icons - i know. ignore those for now. focus on the rest. icons are a related, yet separate matter. comments please! input! :) -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Everyone hates slow websites. So do we. Make your web apps faster with AppDynamics Download AppDynamics Lite for free today: http://p.sf.net/sfu/appdyn_d2d_jan ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
