[e-users] Fwd: app menu in a shelf
On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i use) i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces thanx! -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] ACPI Settings Changed to Buttons?
I was thinking tonigh about this topic, and here are a couple thought I would like to share E is almost completelly focused to GUI and thanks to edje (if I remember well), the EFL stuff can receive mouse events Based on this, why don't we add 'graphical' things that control/show ACPI events? Examples: * You want to manually start the fan? click on the fan icon (one that looks static) and it will start spinning (or look like a spinning fan, to save some resources) * WIFI kill switch? we can draw a swtich (like the one in elementary toolkit) or an antenna with 'waves' (or something cool enough) if the antenna is on What I mean is, moving from an 'all buttons' or 'all swithces' to an ACPI graphical panel control. I know that current EFL allow this kind of stuff. From what Raster said before, E' core also allows this. All it would take is time (duh!) 2011/5/12 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org On Thursday, 12 May 2011, at 09:03:16 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: grandma :) could call it hardware buttons. frankly.. i think that acpi is abused/misused in so many ways by hw vendors. if its a button like a key.. it should be a key. always. wired up to the kbd controller with a keycode. there should be another CLASS of switch that is on/off - like lid open state, flight mode wifi switch on some laptops is a sliding on/off switch that physically retains its state (its not a soft-toggle). imho even the power and reset buttons should be keys (just with a bonus hold power for 8secs+ and machine hard powers down feature). How about Hardware Controls? Just calling it Buttons is even worse than ACPI, not because Grandma won't know what it means, but rather because Grandma won't know to which meaning of Buttons it refers. It's too broad/general. Mouse buttons? Toolbar buttons? Menubar buttons? Whatever interpretation comes to Grandma's mind first, it's unlikely to be power buttons, Fn+Function keys, and lid closures. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- That's who I am. I'm a positive person. No, *I'm* a positive person. *You* are like Santa Claus on Prozac...at Disneyland... getting laid!-- Alec Baldwin and Lisa Kudrow, Friends -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
[e-users] Dialog box position
Hello Fellow E17 users, I am running 16.999.59346. Most, but not all, of my application dialogs open on the far right of the screen instead of in the middle as is normal. Any one else seeing this or have a clue as how to get dialogs to open in the middle of the screen? BTW: I've tried changing Settings = Settings Panel = Windows = Windows Display and Settings = Settings Panel = Settings = Dialogs Don -- Dr. Don Harden har...@gsu.edu Department of Chemistry 564 NSC Georgia State University ph: (404) 413 Atlanta, Ga. 30302-4098 fax: (404) 413 5505 -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] app menu in a shelf
On Thu, 12 May 2011 17:46:54 +0200 PaulTT pau...@gmail.com said: On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 4:38 AM, Carsten Haitzler ras...@rasterman.com wrote: On Tue, 3 May 2011 21:43:46 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: no they asked about APPLICATION menus being split out. not just having things in e that can display menus. the actual app menu at the top of app windows is removed from app (requires app/toolkit support) and then moved to a shared mac-os style single menu bar at the screen top. (which is actually fundamentally incompatible with things like pointer focus). yes, you understood in the right way (i had no doubt about ;P) and yes, it's pratically unuseful with mouse pointer focus (which btwI i use) i was curious primarily because of new gnome3 and unity interfaces understood. :) and as i said. no support for it. it's not even on a todo list or on a wishlist for me. i don't see the point. it's extra complexity, rules out things like pointer/sloppy foucs and i argue has no usability gain over menus inside a window. sure you can kind of argue fitts law (ie just slide mouse up to top of screen), but you still have to place the mouse horizontally at the right menu location anyway and then u still need to navigate to the right item. the mouse now also has to travel further to the top of the screen AND the menu bar is visually detached from the application it belongs to and only 1 is visible at a time, these negating any possible gains in screen realestate and fitts law imho. i'm sure this is up for debate, but i am not seeing a justification of the work involved to support it nor the loss of other time saving features (pointer focus). -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] ACPI Settings Changed to Buttons?
On Thu, 12 May 2011 02:47:36 -0700 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org said: On Thursday, 12 May 2011, at 09:03:16 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: grandma :) could call it hardware buttons. frankly.. i think that acpi is abused/misused in so many ways by hw vendors. if its a button like a key.. it should be a key. always. wired up to the kbd controller with a keycode. there should be another CLASS of switch that is on/off - like lid open state, flight mode wifi switch on some laptops is a sliding on/off switch that physically retains its state (its not a soft-toggle). imho even the power and reset buttons should be keys (just with a bonus hold power for 8secs+ and machine hard powers down feature). How about Hardware Controls? Just calling it Buttons is even thats probably good. i changed it to hardware switches. worse than ACPI, not because Grandma won't know what it means, but i wouldnt say worse - but it is closer to its common use. better than acpi which means nothnig to anyone who is not a ultra-nerd. rather because Grandma won't know to which meaning of Buttons it refers. It's too broad/general. Mouse buttons? Toolbar buttons? Menubar buttons? Whatever interpretation comes to Grandma's mind first, it's unlikely to be power buttons, Fn+Function keys, and lid closures. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- That's who I am. I'm a positive person. No, *I'm* a positive person. *You* are like Santa Claus on Prozac...at Disneyland... getting laid!-- Alec Baldwin and Lisa Kudrow, Friends -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
Re: [e-users] ACPI Settings Changed to Buttons?
On Thu, 12 May 2011 14:47:39 -0300 Wido wido...@gmail.com said: you've got it the wrong way around. acpi allows us to get EVENTS when these hardware buttons/switches etc. are activated. ie WHEN the fan goes on and off, WHEN the wifi switch is toggled, WHEN the lid is closed and opened. we can't CONTROL them, we can just listen and as a RESULT of one of these physical interactions we can, in software do something. that is actually the point - to move these all to software controls so it can do more intelligent things. I was thinking tonigh about this topic, and here are a couple thought I would like to share E is almost completelly focused to GUI and thanks to edje (if I remember well), the EFL stuff can receive mouse events Based on this, why don't we add 'graphical' things that control/show ACPI events? Examples: * You want to manually start the fan? click on the fan icon (one that looks static) and it will start spinning (or look like a spinning fan, to save some resources) * WIFI kill switch? we can draw a swtich (like the one in elementary toolkit) or an antenna with 'waves' (or something cool enough) if the antenna is on What I mean is, moving from an 'all buttons' or 'all swithces' to an ACPI graphical panel control. I know that current EFL allow this kind of stuff. From what Raster said before, E' core also allows this. All it would take is time (duh!) 2011/5/12 Michael Jennings m...@kainx.org On Thursday, 12 May 2011, at 09:03:16 (+0900), Carsten Haitzler wrote: grandma :) could call it hardware buttons. frankly.. i think that acpi is abused/misused in so many ways by hw vendors. if its a button like a key.. it should be a key. always. wired up to the kbd controller with a keycode. there should be another CLASS of switch that is on/off - like lid open state, flight mode wifi switch on some laptops is a sliding on/off switch that physically retains its state (its not a soft-toggle). imho even the power and reset buttons should be keys (just with a bonus hold power for 8secs+ and machine hard powers down feature). How about Hardware Controls? Just calling it Buttons is even worse than ACPI, not because Grandma won't know what it means, but rather because Grandma won't know to which meaning of Buttons it refers. It's too broad/general. Mouse buttons? Toolbar buttons? Menubar buttons? Whatever interpretation comes to Grandma's mind first, it's unlikely to be power buttons, Fn+Function keys, and lid closures. :-) Michael -- Michael Jennings (a.k.a. KainX) http://www.kainx.org/ m...@kainx.org Linux Server/Cluster Admin, LBL.gov Author, Eterm (www.eterm.org) --- That's who I am. I'm a positive person. No, *I'm* a positive person. *You* are like Santa Claus on Prozac...at Disneyland... getting laid!-- Alec Baldwin and Lisa Kudrow, Friends -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- Wido -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users -- - Codito, ergo sum - I code, therefore I am -- The Rasterman (Carsten Haitzler)ras...@rasterman.com -- Achieve unprecedented app performance and reliability What every C/C++ and Fortran developer should know. Learn how Intel has extended the reach of its next-generation tools to help boost performance applications - inlcuding clusters. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devmay ___ enlightenment-users mailing list enlightenment-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/enlightenment-users
