[equinox-dev] Inactive Committer Cleanup

[Daniel Megert]

Dear Committers

As in the past, the PMC will remove Eclipse project committers (Equinox, 
Platform, JDT and PDE) who have been inactive for 2 years.

The committers listed below have been inactive for more than two years. If 
you want to keep your commit rights, just add a comment to 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/563720.

We will remove the commit rights at the end of this month.

Dani

= Equinox =
Arun Thondapu
Bogdan Gheorghe
Markus Keller
Martin Lippert
Silenio Quarti
Steffen Pingel

== JDT 
Curtis Windatt
Markus Keller
Michael Rennie
Sasikanth Bharadwaj
Stefan Xenos

== PDE =
Benjamin Cabe
Curtis Windatt
Markus Keller
Michael Rennie
Sopot Cela

== Platform 
Arun Thondapu
Bogdan Gheorghe
Carolyn MacLeod
Grant Gayed
Markus Keller
Michael Rennie
Silenio Quarti
Sopot Cela
Steve Northover
Thomas Schindl

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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-dev] [eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 contributions

[Daniel Megert]

> The baseline for API Tools when building with Tycho is already set to 
4.14: 
https://git.eclipse.org/c/platform/eclipse.platform.releng.aggregator.git/tree/eclipse-platform-parent/pom.xml#n160
 
. 

Sure, that's why I did not mention Gerrit ;-)

Dani



From:   Mickael Istria 
To: "Eclipse platform general developers list." 

Cc: Equinox development mailing list , 
"Eclipse platform release engineering list." 
, "General development mailing list of 
the Eclipse project." 
Date:   12.12.2019 11:13
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-dev] [eclipse-dev] 
Master branch is open for 4.15 contributions
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On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 11:06 AM Lars Vogel  
wrote:
Dani, does that mean our Gerrit builds API tools verification has
issues? My expectation is that Gerrit will fails if API Baseline
errors are introduced.

The baseline for API Tools when building with Tycho is already set to 
4.14: 
https://git.eclipse.org/c/platform/eclipse.platform.releng.aggregator.git/tree/eclipse-platform-parent/pom.xml#n160
 
. 
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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] [eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 contributions

[Daniel Megert]

Hi Lars

I didn't mention Gerrit. But ideally you want to see the issues in your 
workspace before you upload it to Gerrit.

Dani



From:   Lars Vogel 
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, "General development mailing list of the 
Eclipse project." , "Eclipse platform release 
engineering list." 
Date:   12.12.2019 11:06
Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: [platform-releng-dev] [equinox-dev] 
[eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 contributions
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Dani, does that mean our Gerrit builds API tools verification has
issues? My expectation is that Gerrit will fails if API Baseline
errors are introduced.

Best regards, Lars

On Wed, Dec 11, 2019 at 1:57 PM Daniel Megert  
wrote:
>
> Please make sure to update the API Baseline (4.14 RC2a until R4.14 is 
available) in your workspaces for 4.15/master. Not doing so can result in 
unexpected API Tools errors.
>
> Dani
>
>
>
> From:"Noopur Gupta" 
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equinox-dev@eclipse.org, eclipse-...@eclipse.org
> Date:10.12.2019 10:35
> Subject:[EXTERNAL] [eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 
contributions
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> 
>
>
>
> Daily build is scheduled at 6 PM EST.
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Re: [equinox-dev] [eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 contributions

[Daniel Megert]

Please make sure to update the API Baseline (4.14 RC2a until R4.14 is 
available) in your workspaces for 4.15/master. Not doing so can result in 
unexpected API Tools errors.

Dani



From:   "Noopur Gupta" 
To: platform-releng-...@eclipse.org, platform-...@eclipse.org, 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org, eclipse-...@eclipse.org
Date:   10.12.2019 10:35
Subject:[EXTERNAL] [eclipse-dev] Master branch is open for 4.15 
contributions
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Daily build is scheduled at 6 PM EST.

Thanks & Regards,
Noopur
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Re: [equinox-dev] Trigger a Gerrit event manually is broken

[Daniel Megert]

Same for JDT and Platform.

If you still have a handle the old job, you can retrigger that one.

Dani



From:   Mykola Nikishov 
To: equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   01.06.2019 10:49
Subject:[EXTERNAL] [equinox-dev] Trigger a Gerrit event manually 
is broken
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Hi,

It is not possible to manually re-trigger build [1], search fails to
find changes with:

com.jcraft.jsch.JSchException: Session.connect: 
java.net.SocketException: Connection reset

[1] 
https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__ci.eclipse.org_equinox_gerrit-5Fmanual-5Ftrigger_=DwICAg=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg=1UITCR5rxUZHSFczvfaNFK4ymEbEiccRX7VKchpqz0Y=HKqiSw_SIsUBth-WI0iBeW3kS8KLansrsBf7naMFIko=ns5pJgCkNq2g2OuvHT7NDqYSG791ZFE8kR5HAkeAS4g=
 

[2] 
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[equinox-dev] 4.12 M3 milestone week reminders

[Daniel Megert]

Hi Folks,
It's the milestone week - 4.12 M3.

Monday: Last day of development (and even then, no "big changes"). After 
Monday 18:00 ET, no feature work or unrelated fixes are allowed -- only 
regression fixes.
Tuesday: All-day test pass. Nobody should develop or fix anything. 
Literally spend the entire day testing.
Wednesday: Fix day with a focus on fixing regressions found during the 
test day (Tuesday). No unrelated fixes. Review and thoroughly test all 
commits.
The last Wednesday build is the release candidate every team signs off on 
Thursday.
The "New and Noteworthy" entries are due on Wednesday evening:
Git repo: ssh://git.eclipse.org/gitroot/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Gerrit: ssh://git.eclipse.org:29418/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Live website: https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news/4.12/
Thursday: Sign-off after re-testing, or at least confirming no changes 
have been made to your component's code since the last time the component 
was tested well.
Friday: Build is officially declared and made available.
The master branch stays closed until the milestone is officially released. 
(That is, it is not enough that your component has signed off.)


NOTE: This is the last "normal" milestone. After that we will enter the 
endgame. Endgame plan will follow.

Dani

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[equinox-dev] Inactive Committer Clean-Up

[Daniel Megert]

Dear Committers

As in the past, the PMC will remove Eclipse project committers (Equinox, 
Platform, JDT and PDE) who have been inactive for 2 years.

The committers listed below have been inactive for more than two years. If 
you want to keep your commit rights, just add a comment to 
https://bugs.eclipse.org/544833.

We will remove the commit rights at the end of this month.

Dani


Equinox
Bogdan Gheorghe
Borislav Kapukaranov
Glyn Normington
Henrik Lindberg
Ian Bull
John Arthorne
John Duimovich
Kim Moir
Krzysztof Daniel
Lazar Kirchev
Markus Keller
Martin Lippert
Meng Xin Zhu
Mike Wilson
Oleg Besedin
Pascal Rapicault
Pavlin Dobrev
Peter Kriens
Silenio Quarti
Simon Kaegi
Stefan Liebig
Stefan Xenos
Stoyan Boshev
Susan McCourt
Ted Habeck
Teodor Todorov
Thomas Hallgren
Tobias Oberlies

Platform
Bogdan Gheorghe
Carolyn MacLeod
David Williams
Duong Nguyen
Eric Moffatt
Grant Gayed
Martin Oberhuber
Michael Rennie
Mikaël Barbero
Mike Wilson
Silenio Quarti
Steve Northover
Thomas Schindl
Tony McCrary

JDT
Andrew Clement
Curtis Windatt
Darin Wright
Jesper Moller
Michael Rennie
Walter Harley

PDE
Chris Aniszczyk
Curtis Windatt
Darin Wright
John Arthorne
Markus Keller
Michael Rennie
Pascal Rapicault


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Re: [equinox-dev] [Bug 531680] [code mining] Avoid cancellation by exception

[Daniel Megert]

> (Moved discussion from bug to Equinox mailing list)

Why? I prefer to keep discussions in bug reports.

And, it would not be an Equinox specific question/issue.

Dani



From:   Gunnar Wagenknecht 
To: equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   30.07.2018 18:00
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] [Bug 531680] [code mining] Avoid 
cancellation by exception
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(Moved discussion from bug to Equinox mailing list)

>> As for the other comments, is introducing this as a new default method 
on
>> IProgressMonitor and coordinating a release with fixes upstream 
possible? Or
>> will that never allowed?
> 
> Following the rules as they are now that would require a major version
> increase.  Not something I think is justified to fix this issue.

What are the general plans here? I'd like to see the specific issue fixed 
in a good way. Having the new default method on IProgressMonitor seems 
like a clean approach. However, I tend to agree that this is a big change 
(in terms of impact).

Are there any plans to have another major version? What are the main 
concerns in that area?

-Gunnar
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Re: [equinox-dev] Eclipse 4.7.3 RC3 Schedule

[Daniel Megert]

Please note that any non-doc change needs PMC approval. For more details 
see 
https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7_3.php,

Dani



From:   "Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran" 
To: equinox-dev@eclipse.org, eclipse-...@eclipse.org, 
platform-releng-...@eclipse.org
Date:   16.02.2018 15:43
Subject:[equinox-dev] Eclipse 4.7.3 RC3 Schedule
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Schedule
Here is the schedule for the same. All times in Eastern standard time.
Feb 20 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build 1
Feb 21 5:00 PM   Candidate build
Feb 22 1-day test pass and signoff
Feb 23 Promotion to downloads and contribution to 
simrel
Regards,
Jay
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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] FW: Eclipse 4.7.3 RC2 Schedule -updated

[Daniel Megert]

NOTE: There are still 22 bugs open against RC2. Please either fix or 
retarget them. We should try to get to 0 for RC2.

Thanks,
Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: platform-...@eclipse.org, "Eclipse platform release engineering 
list." , equinox-dev@eclipse.org, 
eclipse-...@eclipse.org
Date:   09.02.2018 11:36
Subject:[platform-releng-dev] FW: Eclipse 4.7.3 RC2 Schedule 
-updated
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Hi,
 
Sorry I sent a wrong schedule in my earlier mail. Here is the updated 
schedule. Updated section is in bold
 
Schedule
Here is the schedule for the same. All times in Eastern standard time.
 
Feb 13 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build 1
Feb 14 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build 2
Feb 14 5:00 PM   Candidate build
Feb 15 1-day test pass and signoff
Feb 16 Promotion to downloads and contribution to 
simrel
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858
 
From: Sravan K Lakkimsetti [mailto:sravankum...@in.ibm.com] 
Sent: Friday, February 09, 2018 3:52 PM
To: platform-...@eclipse.org; Eclipse platform release engineering list. 
; eclipse-...@eclipse.org; 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Subject: Eclipse 4.7.3 RC2 Schedule
 
Hi,
 
We have 4.7.3 RC2 scheduled next week (Feb 17, 2018). 
Please go through the endgame plan provided here 
https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7_3.php 
 
Please Note: All fixes submitted to the maintenance stream builds must 
have a component lead or PMC vote on the bug report, and the fix must be 
reviewed by an additional committer (any committer other than the one who 
made the fix).
 
Schedule
Here is the schedule for the same. All times in Eastern standard time.
 
Feb 13 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build 1
Feb 14 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build 2
Feb 15 5:00 PM   Candidate build
Feb 16 1-day test pass and signoff
Feb 17 Promotion to downloads and contribution to 
simrel
 
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858

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[equinox-dev] Bug Reminder - Re: [platform-releng-dev] 4.7.3 RC1 Schedule

[Daniel Megert]

NOTE: There are still 35 bugs open against RC1. Please either fix or 
retarget them.

Thanks,
Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: "Eclipse platform release engineering list." 
, eclipse-...@eclipse.org, 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org, platform-...@eclipse.org
Date:   05.02.2018 07:28
Subject:[platform-releng-dev] 4.7.3 RC1 Schedule
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Hi,
 
We have 4.7.3 RC1 scheduled this week (Feb 9, 2018). 
Please go through the endgame plan provided here 
https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7_3.php 
 
Please Note: All fixes submitted to update stream builds must have a 
component lead or PMC vote on the bug report, and the fix must be reviewed 
by an additional committer (any committer other than the one who made the 
fix).  No new features or APIs are allowed after RC1.
 
Schedule
Here is the schedule for the same. All times in Eastern standard time.
 
Feb 6  Feature and API freeze
Feb 7 4:00 AM   Checkpoint build
Feb 7 5:00 PM   Candidate build
Feb 8 Signoff
Feb 9 Promotion to downloads and contribution to 
simrel
 
 
New and Noteworthy 
The "New and Noteworthy" entries for all the new features are due by 
Wednesday evening:
Git repo: ssh://git.eclipse.org/gitroot/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Gerrit: ssh://git.eclipse.org:29418/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Live website: https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news/4.7.3/ 
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858
 
 

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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] 4.7 Maintenance branch is open for 4.7.3release

[Daniel Megert]

Everyone, please remember that
- the API baseline is set to 4.7.2
- bundle versions are correctly updated when needed

Thanks,
Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: "Eclipse platform release engineering list." 
, "Eclipse platform general developers 
list." , equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   22.12.2017 11:06
Subject:[platform-releng-dev] 4.7 Maintenance branch is open for 
4.7.3   release
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Hi,
 
4.7.3 preparation work has been completed and branch is open for commits. 
Test build is successful and scheduled builds on every Wednesday 4:00AM 
eastern
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858
 

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Re: [equinox-dev] Photon (4.8) M2 is available

[Daniel Megert]

> So we can now merge some commits against master branch, can't we?

Yes, the master branch is open again.

Dani



From:   Mickael Istria 
To: Equinox development mailing list 
Cc: platform-...@eclipse.org, "General development mailing list of the 
Eclipse project." 
Date:   15.09.2017 11:04
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] Photon (4.8) M2 is available
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Great thanks!
So we can now merge some commits against master branch, can't we?
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Re: [equinox-dev] [eclipse-dev] Photon (4.8) M2 is available

[Daniel Megert]

Note that a major new feature comes with this milestone: Eclipse Support 
for JUnit 5!

Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: platform-...@eclipse.org, eclipse-...@eclipse.org, 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   15.09.2017 10:26
Subject:[eclipse-dev] Photon (4.8) M2 is available
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Hi,
 
We are pleased to announce that Photon M2 is available for download and 
updates.
 
 New and Noteworthy:
 http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news/4.8/M2/
 
Eclipse downloads:

http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/S-4.8M2-201709132000/ 

 
Update existing (non-production) installs:
http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.8milestones/ 
 
Specific repository good for building against:

http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/updates/4.8milestones/S-4.8M2-201709132000/ 

 
Equinox specific downloads:

http://download.eclipse.org/equinox/drops/S-PhotonM2-201709132000/ 
 
Thank you to everyone who made this checkpoint possible.
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
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Re: [equinox-dev] [eclipse-dev] 4.7.1 (Oxygen.1) RC3 Reminders

[Daniel Megert]

> Please refer to the freeze plan here. This time we have scheduled two 
builds back to back.

Most important change is:

All fixes submitted to RC3 must have a PMC vote on the bug report

Dani



From:   "Jayaprakash Arthanareeswaran" 
To: platform-releng-...@eclipse.org, platform-ui-...@eclipse.org, 
eclipse-...@eclipse.org, equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   26.08.2017 11:08
Subject:[eclipse-dev] 4.7.1 (Oxygen.1) RC3 Reminders
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Hello everyone,
 
We have 4.7.1 RC3 scheduled on September 1, 2017. Please refer to the 
freeze plan here. This time we have scheduled two builds back to back.

Here's the schedule:
 
Aug 30, 2017 4AM, 5PM EST Wednesday4.7.1 RC3 candidate build 
(builds are scheduled)
Aug 31, 2017   ThursdayDefect 
verification and signoff
Sep 1, 2017 Friday Promotion 
and contribution to Simrel
 
Please note that any contribution to RC3 requires PMC approval.
 
Regards,
Jay
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[equinox-dev] Still Many Open Bugs for Oxygen Update 1 RC2 (4.7.1 RC2)

[Daniel Megert]

There are still over 50 bugs open against Oxygen Update 1 RC2 (4.7.1 RC2). 
Please go over your bugs, and either make sure they get fixed or assigned 
to another milestone.

Note that you need a +1 from a component lead or a PMC member. For RC3 PMC 
approval will be required (see endgame plan for more details).

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: [equinox-dev] [eclipse-dev] 4.7.1 (Oxygen.1) RC2 Reminders

[Daniel Megert]

> We have 4.7.1 RC1 scheduled on Aug 25, 2017. Please refer to the freeze 
plan here.

It is *RC2* not RC1.

Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: "Eclipse platform release engineering list." 
, "Eclipse Platform UI component 
developers list." , eclipse-...@eclipse.org, 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   18.08.2017 14:06
Subject:[eclipse-dev] 4.7.1 (Oxygen.1) RC2 Reminders
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Hi,
 
We have 4.7.1 RC1 scheduled on Aug 25, 2017. Please refer to the freeze 
plan here.
 
Here is the schedule:

Aug 23, 2017 4AM EST
Wednesday
4.7.1 RC2 candidate build
Aug 24, 2017
Thursday
Defect verification and signoff
Aug 25, 2017
Friday
Promotion and contribution to Simrel
 
Thanks
Sravan
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[equinox-dev] Correction to 4.7.1 (Photon.1) Reminders

[Daniel Megert]

As you can see in the endgame plan, there is no test day or sign-off 
scheduled. RC1 is a warm-up build to ensure that everything builds fine. 
Having said that, it does not hurt to do early bug verification and some 
testing is always welcome.

Sravan, please correct the build schedule in the calendar.

Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: "Eclipse platform release engineering list." 
, platform-ui-...@eclipse.org, 
eclipse-...@eclipse.org, equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   14.08.2017 08:24
Subject:[equinox-dev] 4.7.1 (Photon.1) Reminders
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Hi,
 
We have 4.7.1 RC1 scheduled on Aug 18, 2017. Please refer to the freeze 
plan here.
 
Here is the schedule:

Aug 16, 2017 4AM EST
Wednesday
4.7.1 RC1 candidate build
Aug 17, 2017
Thursday
Defect verification and signoff
Aug 18, 2017
Friday
Promotion and contribution to Simrel
 
Thanks
Sravan
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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] [platform-ui-dev] Process change for from RC4onwards

[Daniel Megert]

OK, next year we open master again when we're done with the RCs.

Dani



From:   "Andrey Loskutov" <losku...@gmx.de>
To: platform-ui-...@eclipse.org
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<equinox-dev@eclipse.org>, "Eclipse Platform UI component developers 
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Date:   02.06.2017 17:55
Subject:Re: [platform-releng-dev] [platform-ui-dev] [equinox-dev] 
Process change for from RC4onwards
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But without I-builds this will be a "blind flight" for two weeks! If there 
will be no builds but the master is open for development, we can end with 
lot of failing tests after two weeks. We had many times issues where the 
tests in *different* projects were failing but Gerrit builds were green on 
a particular project with the change.
 
Kind regards,
Andrey Loskutov

http://google.com/+AndreyLoskutov
 
 
Gesendet: Freitag, 02. Juni 2017 um 17:45 Uhr
Von: "Daniel Megert" <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
An: "Equinox development mailing list" <equinox-dev@eclipse.org>
Cc: "Eclipse platform general developers list." 
<platform-...@eclipse.org>, "Eclipse Platform UI component developers 
list." <platform-ui-...@eclipse.org>, "Eclipse platform release 
engineering list." <platform-releng-...@eclipse.org>
Betreff: Re: [platform-ui-dev] [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] Process 
change for from RC4onwards
Sorry, I don't want to do that switch yet. At least you can upload and 
merge Gerrit changes. Maybe in two weeks that step can be done.

Dani



From:Lars Vogel <lars.vo...@vogella.com>
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<platform-...@eclipse.org>, Equinox development mailing list 
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Date:02.06.2017 17:34
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] Process change for 
from RC4onwards
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Thanks Sravan,

I-Build for master would be useful. If we could have builds for 4.7 and 
4.8 that would be IMHO useful and IIRC in line with what we decided in the 
PMC.

Best regards, Lars

Am 02.06.2017 5:25 nachm. schrieb "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" <
sravankum...@in.ibm.com>:
Hi, 
 
Based on PMC request for early opening of master branch. Here are the 
changes done to the development process
 
1. 4.7 maintenance branch is created from S4_7_0_RC3 tag. Last changes 
on this tag are from May 31, 8PM Eastern.
2. New builds for 4.7 will happen from maintenance branch including 
RC4 builds
3. The bug fixes destined for 4.7 should be done on both master as 
well as 4.7 maintenance branch
4. There won't be any builds on master till Oxygen is declared. 
5. Also no M builds on maintenance branch till oxygen declared.
 
If you have committed some changes for RC4 on master please cherry pick 
those changes on to 4_7_maintenance branch. 
 
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] Process change for from RC4onwards

[Daniel Megert]

Sorry, I don't want to do that switch yet. At least you can upload and 
merge Gerrit changes. Maybe in two weeks that step can be done.

Dani



From:   Lars Vogel 
To: "Eclipse platform release engineering list." 

Cc: "Eclipse platform general developers list." 
, Equinox development mailing list 
, "Eclipse Platform UI component developers 
list." 
Date:   02.06.2017 17:34
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] Process change for 
from RC4onwards
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Thanks Sravan,

I-Build for master would be useful. If we could have builds for 4.7 and 
4.8 that would be IMHO useful and IIRC in line with what we decided in the 
PMC.

Best regards, Lars

Am 02.06.2017 5:25 nachm. schrieb "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" <
sravankum...@in.ibm.com>:
Hi,
 
Based on PMC request for early opening of master branch. Here are the 
changes done to the development process
 
1. 4.7 maintenance branch is created from S4_7_0_RC3 tag. Last changes 
on this tag are from May 31, 8PM Eastern.
2. New builds for 4.7 will happen from maintenance branch including 
RC4 builds
3. The bug fixes destined for 4.7 should be done on both master as 
well as 4.7 maintenance branch
4. There won't be any builds on master till Oxygen is declared. 
5. Also no M builds on maintenance branch till oxygen declared.
 
If you have committed some changes for RC4 on master please cherry pick 
those changes on to 4_7_maintenance branch. 
 
 
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
Embassy Golf Links Business Park, D Block,
Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858
 


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Re: [equinox-dev] Help Request: Feature and Plug-in Versions

[Daniel Megert]

All code fixes for RC* are verified.

Thanks to everyone who helped with this! Great team!
Dani

- Forwarded by Daniel Megert/Zurich/IBM on 01.06.2017 16:50 -

From:   Daniel Megert/Zurich/IBM
To: "General development mailing list of the Eclipse project." 
<eclipse-...@eclipse.org>, "Eclipse Platform UI component developers 
list." <platform-ui-...@eclipse.org>, "Equinox development mailing list" 
<equinox-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:   11.05.2017 09:59
Subject:Help Request: Feature and Plug-in Versions


Your help is requested. We have a several features (bug 516456) and many 
plug-ins (bug 516457) that need a version increase.

In order to avoid several people fixing the same bundles, I suggest to add 
a bugzilla comment BEFORE you start fixing.

Those changes do not require a review, unless you are not 100% sure how 
the new version must look like. In that case, please ask in the bug 
report.

Thanks for your help!
Dani


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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-ui-dev] FW: Eclipse Oxygen (4.7) RC3 reminders

[Daniel Megert]

> Please read end game plan here 
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7.php.

The biggest changes to RC1 and RC2 are:

Notification requirements: Announce bug numbers of intended non-doc 
changes to platform-releng-...@eclipse.org mailing list. 

Fix approval: Two additional committers and a component lead must +1 your 
bug report (3 people who are not the one making the change). 

Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: platform-releng-...@eclipse.org, "Eclipse Platform UI component 
developers  list." , "General development 
mailing list of the Eclipse project." , "Equinox" 

Date:   26.05.2017 09:12
Subject:[platform-ui-dev] FW: Eclipse Oxygen (4.7) RC3 reminders
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Hi,
 
Eclipse Oxygen RC3 is next week with a goal to deliver on June 2, 2017. 

The build schedule has been updated and can be downloaded from here.

Please read end game plan here 
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7.php.

Please note 
Wednesday 8 PM Eastern: RC3 candidate Build 
Thursday: 1-day test pass against RC3 and sign-off
Friday: Build is officially declared and made available. 
The master branch stays closed until the milestone is officially released. 
(That is, it is not enough that your component has signed off.)
No new code changes can be made until the milestone is officially 
declared. That is, it is not enough that your component has signed off.
Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 
 
Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
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Off Indiranagar-Kormangla Inner Ring Road,
Bangalore - 560071, India
Phone: 91-80-41776858
 
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[equinox-dev] 8 Open Bugs for M7

[Daniel Megert]

Equinox still has 8 open bugs for M7. Please take a look.

Dani

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[equinox-dev] Help Request: Feature and Plug-in Versions

[Daniel Megert]

Your help is requested. We have a several features (bug 516456) and many 
plug-ins (bug 516457) that need a version increase.

In order to avoid several people fixing the same bundles, I suggest to add 
a bugzilla comment BEFORE you start fixing.

Those changes do not require a review, unless you are not 100% sure how 
the new version must look like. In that case, please ask in the bug 
report.

Thanks for your help!
Dani

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Re: [equinox-dev] [platform-releng-dev] Eclipse Oxygen(4.7) M7 Reminders

[Daniel Megert]

> We will have a 2-day test pass against M7 on 15th and 16th. 

This is wrong, as you can see from 
https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7.php.

We will have the usual test pass on Monday and then also use Thursday and 
Friday in the milestone week to test.

Dani



From:   "Sravan K Lakkimsetti" 
To: platform-releng-...@eclipse.org, Equinox 
, eclipse-...@eclipse.org, "Eclipse Platform UI 
component developers list." 
Date:   05.05.2017 12:32
Subject:[platform-releng-dev] Eclipse Oxygen(4.7) M7 Reminders
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Hi,

Eclipse Oxygen M7 Stabilization starts next week with a goal to deliver on 
May 12, 2017. 

The build schedule has been updated and can be downloaded from here.

Important Note: We have feature freeze this milestone and start RC 
phase/end game from subsequent weeks. Please read end game plan here 
http://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/development/plans/freeze_plan_4_7.php. We 
will have a 2-day test pass against M7 on 15th and 16th. Also all the RCs 
are 1 week each this time. There won't be much time 

Please refer to 
https://dev.eclipse.org/mhonarc/lists/eclipse-dev/msg10375.html for the 
end-game plan announcement

Please note 
Monday: Last day of development (and even then, no "big changes"). After 
Monday 20:00 ET, no feature work or unrelated fixes are allowed -- only 
regression fixes. 
Tuesday: All-day test pass. Nobody should develop or fix anything. 
Literally spend the entire day testing. 
Wednesday: Fix day with a focus on fixing regressions found during the 
test day (Tuesday). No unrelated fixes. Review and thoroughly test all 
commits. 
The last Wednesday build is the release candidate every team signs off on 
Thursday. 
The "New and Noteworthy" entries are due on Wednesday evening:
Git repo: ssh://git.eclipse.org/gitroot/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Gerrit: ssh://git.eclipse.org:29418/www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news.git
Live website: https://www.eclipse.org/eclipse/news/4.7/M7/ 
Thursday: Sign-off after re-testing, or at least confirming no changes 
have been made to your component's code since the last time the component 
was tested well. 
Friday: Build is officially declared and made available. 
The master branch stays closed until the milestone is officially released. 
(That is, it is not enough that your component has signed off.)

No new code changes can be made until the milestone is officially 
declared. That is, it is not enough that your component has signed off.


Thanks and Regards,
Sravan 

Sravan Kumar Lakkimsetti
IBM India Pvt Ltd,
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[equinox-dev] Still Bugs Targeted for Oxygen M4

[Daniel Megert]

There are currently still 8 bugs in Equinox targeted for Oxygen M4. Please 
retarget them.

Thanks,
Dani

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Re: [equinox-dev] Vote for Committer status for Mykola Nikishov

[Daniel Megert]

> But if the platform is ok with that and you are happy to deal with 
the consequences.


This is an RT PMC problem where the Platform has no say, unless we move 
Equinox back to the Eclipse top-level project.


The problem is that p2 is not active enough anymore and patches from 
people like Mykola sit around for weeks if not months. So, unless p2 
(Equinox now) committers don't commit to review incoming contributions 
in a timely manner then the RT PMC must come up with a plan to fix this. 
This is the PMC's job as part of the EDP. At the Eclipse top-level 
project we are currently working on a plan to fix our projects where 
there's not enough activity.


I'm not an Equinox committer, but from what I've seen from Mykola I 
would +1 his nomination.


Dani

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Re: [equinox-dev] [pde-dev] Repackaging org.osgi.service.component.annotations from Equinox

[Daniel Megert]

Hi Tom

Please add that to the bug,

Thanks
Dani



From:   "Thomas Watson" <tjwat...@us.ibm.com>
To: Equinox development mailing list <equinox-dev@eclipse.org>
Date:   04.04.2016 15:10
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] [pde-dev] Repackaging 
org.osgi.service.component.annotations  from Equinox
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Equinox will not export the annotation package (via Export-Package) 
because it will lead to a bad practice of using Import-Package for these 
non-runtime packages. Whatever the solution ends up being to get the 
annotations on the classpath of the project, PDE must do so without 
requiring the bundle manifest to declare a runtime dependency on the 
annotation package (Import-Package or Require-Bundle).

Tom





From:"Daniel Megert" <daniel_meg...@ch.ibm.com>
To:"Eclipse PDE general developers list." <pde-...@eclipse.org>, 
equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:04/04/2016 04:24 AM
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] [pde-dev] Repackaging 
org.osgi.service.component.annotationsfrom Equinox
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I don't like that approach which leaves us with maintaining and shipping 
the same thing twice. Let's continue the discussion in the bug report.

Dani



From:Gunnar Wagenknecht <gun...@wagenknecht.org>
To:"Eclipse PDE general developers list." <pde-...@eclipse.org>
Cc:equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:04.04.2016 02:24
Subject:Re: [pde-dev] Repackaging 
org.osgi.service.component.annotationsfrom Equinox
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Hi Peter,

I think it's possible for PDE to ship their own jar of the code. You can 
simply copy the sources from Equinox. I think you still need a CQ, though. 
It can be a re-use CQ for a subset of the original CQ. Might be easier to 
jut go with a full re-use.

I've cc'ed equinox-dev because I think this topic may be interesting for 
them, too.

-Gunnar

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On 03 Apr 2016, at 14:04, Peter Nehrer <pneh...@eclipticalsoftware.com> 
wrote:

Hi,

in order to improve user experience with DS Annotations, I need to 
contribute package org.osgi.service.component.annotations to PDE projects' 
classpath (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=488800). This 
package is already part of Equinox's org.eclipse.osgi.services bundle; 
however, in order to make these annotations available to external 
builders, they would need to be in a separate jar (otherwise users would 
have to place the entire bundle on the build path).

Would it be OK to extract that package from Equinox and provide it via PDE 
as a separate JAR? Since this isn't new code contribution, do I need any 
special permissions/process? Thanks!

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Re: [equinox-dev] [pde-dev] Repackaging org.osgi.service.component.annotations from Equinox

[Daniel Megert]

I don't like that approach which leaves us with maintaining and shipping 
the same thing twice. Let's continue the discussion in the bug report.

Dani



From:   Gunnar Wagenknecht 
To: "Eclipse PDE general developers list." 
Cc: equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   04.04.2016 02:24
Subject:Re: [pde-dev] Repackaging 
org.osgi.service.component.annotations  from Equinox
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Hi Peter,

I think it's possible for PDE to ship their own jar of the code. You can 
simply copy the sources from Equinox. I think you still need a CQ, though. 
It can be a re-use CQ for a subset of the original CQ. Might be easier to 
jut go with a full re-use.

I've cc'ed equinox-dev because I think this topic may be interesting for 
them, too.

-Gunnar

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On 03 Apr 2016, at 14:04, Peter Nehrer  
wrote:

Hi,

in order to improve user experience with DS Annotations, I need to 
contribute package org.osgi.service.component.annotations to PDE projects' 
classpath (https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=488800). This 
package is already part of Equinox's org.eclipse.osgi.services bundle; 
however, in order to make these annotations available to external 
builders, they would need to be in a separate jar (otherwise users would 
have to place the entire bundle on the build path).

Would it be OK to extract that package from Equinox and provide it via PDE 
as a separate JAR? Since this isn't new code contribution, do I need any 
special permissions/process? Thanks!

--Peter
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[equinox-dev] Update API Baseline

[Daniel Megert]

Please don't forget to update the API Baseline (Window  Preferences  
Plug-in Development  API Baselines) in all your development workspaces:

4.5.1 development needs 4.5 as baseline
4.6 development needs 4.5 as baseline

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Re: [equinox-dev] Eclipse won't work on JDK9b61 unless default classloader hiearchy is changed

[Daniel Megert]

As of http://download.eclipse.org/eclipse/downloads/drops4/I20150511-2130/ 
Eclipse starts again using the latest JRE 9.

Dani



From:   Tom Schindl tom.schi...@bestsolution.at
To: equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   07.05.2015 22:23
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] Eclipse won't work on  JDK9b61 unless 
default classloader hiearchy is changed
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Hi,

[...]
 But you mention that using the boot class loader as the parent class
 loader for bundle class loaders causes problems for Nashorn.  I fail to
 see why that is. 


I don't know the inner details but if you run this app

 package samplenashornosgi;
 
 import javax.script.ScriptEngine;
 import javax.script.ScriptEngineManager;
 
 import org.eclipse.equinox.app.IApplication;
 import org.eclipse.equinox.app.IApplicationContext;
 
 public class Application implements IApplication {
public static class SampleObject {
public SampleObject() {
System.err.println(I am: 
 + this);
}
}
public Object start(IApplicationContext context) throws 
Exception {
System.out.println(Hello RCP World!);
 
ScriptEngineManager mgr = new 
ScriptEngineManager();
ScriptEngine engine = 
mgr.getEngineByName(nashorn);
engine.eval(var SimpleObject = 
Java.type('samplenashornosgi.Application.SampleObject'); new 
SimpleObject(););
engine.eval(var SimpleObject = 
Java.type('samplenashornosgi.Application.SampleObject'); var 
SimpleSubClass = Java.extend(SimpleObject); new SimpleSubClass() {};);
 
return IApplication.EXIT_OK;
}
 
public void stop() {
// nothing to do
}
 }

With the default setting you get:

 Hello RCP World!
 I am: samplenashornosgi.Application$SampleObject@2f8dad04
 !SESSION 2015-05-07 22:13:46.840 
---
 eclipse.buildId=unknown
 java.version=1.8.0_60-ea
 java.vendor=Oracle Corporation
 BootLoader constants: OS=macosx, ARCH=x86_64, WS=cocoa, NL=de_DE
 Framework arguments:  -application SampleNashornOSGi.application
 Command-line arguments:  -application SampleNashornOSGi.application 
-data 
/Users/tomschindl/Documents/e-workspaces/efxclipse-ide/../runtime-SampleNashornOSGi.application
 
-dev 
file:/Users/tomschindl/Documents/e-workspaces/efxclipse-ide/.metadata/.plugins/org.eclipse.pde.core/SampleNashornOSGi.application/dev.properties
 
-os macosx -ws cocoa -arch x86_64 -consoleLog
 
 !ENTRY org.eclipse.osgi 4 0 2015-05-07 22:13:47.804
 !MESSAGE Application error
 !STACK 1
 javax.script.ScriptException: TypeError: Can not find a common class 
loader for ScriptObject and samplenashornosgi.Application.SampleObject. in 
eval at line number 1
at 
jdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngine.throwAsScriptException(NashornScriptEngine.java:458)
at 
jdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngine.evalImpl(NashornScriptEngine.java:442)
at 
jdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngine.evalImpl(NashornScriptEngine.java:404)
at 
jdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngine.evalImpl(NashornScriptEngine.java:400)
at 
jdk.nashorn.api.scripting.NashornScriptEngine.eval(NashornScriptEngine.java:155)
at 
javax.script.AbstractScriptEngine.eval(AbstractScriptEngine.java:264)
at 
samplenashornosgi.Application.start(Application.java:24)
at 
org.eclipse.equinox.internal.app.EclipseAppHandle.run(EclipseAppHandle.java:196)
at 
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.runApplication(EclipseAppLauncher.java:134)
at 
org.eclipse.core.runtime.internal.adaptor.EclipseAppLauncher.start(EclipseAppLauncher.java:104)
at 
org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:380)
at 
org.eclipse.core.runtime.adaptor.EclipseStarter.run(EclipseStarter.java:235)
at sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native 
Method)
at 
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.java:62)
at 
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.java:43)
at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:497)
at 
org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.invokeFramework(Main.java:648)
at 
org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.basicRun(Main.java:603)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.run(Main.java:1465)
at org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.Main.main(Main.java:1438)
 Caused by: eval:1 TypeError: Can not find a common class 

Re: [equinox-dev] Re-spin of Eclipse 4.4.1 RC4a and Equinox (Luna SR1RC4a)

[Daniel Megert]

Hi Mickael

Each RC corresponds to a test  fix pass week (or two) according to the 
endgame plan. If we rebuild an RC build, or also a milestone build, then 
we add 'a'.

Dani



From:   Mickael Istria mist...@redhat.com
To: equinox-dev@eclipse.org
Date:   26.09.2014 12:25
Subject:Re: [equinox-dev] Re-spin of Eclipse 4.4.1 RC4a and 
Equinox (Luna SR1RC4a)
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Just out of curiosity, why did you call it RC4a and not RC5 ?
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Re: [equinox-dev] Fwd: Re: [rt-pmc] Eclipse project winrun4j depends upon Java project org.eclipse.equinox.launcher

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David Brown ---02/07/2014 12:39:31 PM---Hello, I have been trying to study 
the winrun4j Java project.

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Date: 02/07/2014 12:39 PM
Subject: [rt-pmc] Eclipse project winrun4j depends upon Java project 
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Hello,

I have been trying to study the winrun4j Java project.

Notwithstanding, I can't go much further because the winrun4j project
depends upon the Java project: org.eclipse.equinox.launcher.

Notwithstanding, attempts to clone the git project only increase the
number of Eclipse errors in the Eclipse problems tab.

The git clone is only the binaries which makes the winrun4j project more
unhappy because it is looking for the source.

Is it possible to clone the equinox Java launcher with the source files?

Please advise, David.
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