EV digest 6992
EV Digest 6992 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Fixing a 24v Currie Charger by Lawrence Rhodes [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Motors by Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: Free energy by Peter VanDerWal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Highlighting EV's To Others by Jeff Shanab [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) A Welder as a Power Supply by Joseph Lado [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: Highlighting EV's To Others by John A. Evans - N0HJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: EV fire by R. Matt Milliron [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Solar Powered NEV by Mike Chancey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: Solar Powered NEV -Why? by Bruce Weisenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: A Welder as a Power Supply by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) RE: Highlighting EV's To Others by Mike Willmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) RE: A Welder as a Power Supply by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Re: A Welder as a Power Supply by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: Free energy by Danny Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Hybrid battery packs by Doug Hartley [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: OT: Free energy by David Roden [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: OT by Dan Frederiksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) RE: conversions by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Re: OT by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) OT: Free Energy by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) STOP THE BS !!! Re: OT by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jukka_J=E4rvinen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) RE: conversions by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) Re: Hybrid battery packs by Nikki Bloomfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24) Re: OT by Danny Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25) Re: Free energy (for EVs!!) by Loni [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26) Re: Free energy (OT) by Loni [EMAIL PROTECTED] 27) Re: OT by Dan Frederiksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 28) Re: Hybrid battery packs by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jukka_J=E4rvinen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29) Re: OT by Kaido Kert [EMAIL PROTECTED] 30) Re: OT nuclear batteries by Dan Frederiksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 31) how much dc to get about 450 v ac by owen [EMAIL PROTECTED] 32) RE: conversions by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 33) Re: Free Energy by Richard Acuti [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Model 31021 24v charger. It uses a MCR264 4 Motorola 9612 Mosfet to control the negative side output. I'm only getting 21vdc out of the diode bridge. I suspect the mosfet is bad. As I remember the polarity was reversed. The board is a PC1029N REV. D 94V0. I shorted the input or other side to the center leg with my test lead and the amber light goes on. I suspect it isn't switching anymore.. A replacement might fix it. Can I just buy this board? I've seen many different versions of this charger with the same case. It has the handle built in. Is heavy and outputs 5 amps. Lawrence Rhodes.. ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * * (such as an attached file, a v-card, HTML formatting) * * Lists at sjsu.edu only accept PLAIN TEXT * * If your postings display this message your mail program * * is not set to send PLAIN TEXT ONLY and needs adjusting * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * --Boundary-00=_KPDOSPT1VA40 X-Mailer: IncrediMail (5653017) From: Sam-- Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 4 Jul 2007 18:03:54 -0700 (MST) Subject: Re: Free energy From: Peter VanDerWal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ROTFLMAO I used to have something similar sitting on my desk. It would spin for months before you have to replace the battery hidden in the base. I think you can still buy them at Spencers. I love the challenge, We invite anyone to test this, but only scientists that we approve of. I'll follow this with skeptical interest. If true, practical applications that generate useful levels of surplus energy will be years away, but I'm all for cheating physics. Here's the news video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJ-GxSCSAHU Lon Hull, Portland, OR - Original Message - From: Dan Frederiksen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Sent: Wednesday, July 04, 2007 5:04 AM Subject: Free energy I know some of you can't imagine something like that but whether you believe it or not, the irish company Steorn which back in august took out a full page ad in the economist with a white glove slap in the face of the 'scientific' community, is claiming a 10 day public demonstration in London of the device starting this week and various reports indicate that it will be today. part of me hopes that today we will be able to say 'today we celebrate our independence day' Dan -- If you
EV digest 6993
EV Digest 6993 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: conversions by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) RE: conversions by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Re: bike speedos in evs by david brunson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: conversions by TrotFox Greyfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) Honda Fuel Cell - did I miss 20 years somewhere? by Seth Myers [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) Re: how much dc to get about 450 v ac by Roland Wiench [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: how much dc to get about 450 v ac by Jeff Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) RE: Zilla emergency shutdown by Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) RE: High voltage cable protection and color coding by Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: A Welder as a Power Supply by Jeff Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) the eVette by Michael Wendell [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Re: Vicor power supplies as DC-DC ? by Jeff Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Re: Motor Inquiry And Response by Jeff Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: Vicor power supplies as DC-DC ? by John G. Lussmyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Motors by Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) END THREAD Re: Free energy (OT) by David Roden (Akron OH USA) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Honda Fuel Cell - did I miss 20 years somewhere? by Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) Re: Vicor power supplies as DC-DC ? by TrotFox Greyfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) Re: the eVette by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) RE: the eVette by Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Hi Jack, It is essentially a two wheel car,however its not at all like segway.I just put that body on it to get your attention, I think it worked.We are building a 4 seater jeep at this time,it will be less expensive than a conversion,and will go farther. Tom Sines -Original Message- From: Jack Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 4, 2007 4:58 PM To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: Re: conversions There is very little information on the website about the car or its construction or design, what its advantages or disadvantages are. I will assure you without that, few will pay attention, least of all investors. From what I gather, it is essentially a two-wheel car-sized segway. It is impressive that Mr. Sines has built it, and it works! Let me give my feedback. Use a different body, one fit for the design, or none at all. An ability to turn in place is great for fork-lifts, but there is no need for that feature in a car. What I see as the main advantage is the reduction in parts and thus cost to build it compared to 3 or 4 wheel cars with their required steering mechanism. But there must be a mechanism to maintain stability as weight shifts when momentum changes. The bouncing seen in the rather short video indicates this problem is not solved. This car in no way addresses the issue of batteries for EVs, which is and has been the major issue for EVs. Jack Roger Stockton wrote: Tom S. wrote: Thought you would never ask, go to electricevette.com see ya. An interesting vehicle... Your webpage refers to it as a car, but it is actually registered as a motorcycle (and would not actually be legal as either in some places ;^). So, what is the advantage you see for this vehicle design over conventional 4-wheeled EVs? Cheers, Roger. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Hi Rodger, Yes it is a motorcycle, that means no insurance in Florida. The advantages are,it holds more batteries so it will go farther on a charge.It will out maneuver any 4wheel car any time, and its fun to drive.It also has 2 motors twice the power. Tom Sines -Original Message- From: Roger Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 4, 2007 4:58 PM To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: RE: conversions Tom S. wrote: Thought you would never ask, go to electricevette.com see ya. An interesting vehicle... Your webpage refers to it as a car, but it is actually registered as a motorcycle (and would not actually be legal as either in some places ;^). So, what is the advantage you see for this vehicle design over conventional 4-wheeled EVs? Cheers, Roger. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * ---REMAINDER OF MESSAGE TRUNCATED---* * This post contains a forbidden message format * *
EV digest 6994
EV Digest 6994 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: conversions by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) Re: BB 600's by keith vansickle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Building LiFePO4 packs from many, many 18650s (was Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack) by Ian Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: Sailboat Conversion by Bill Dube [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) RE: the eVette by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) ADC Sep Ex or Perm-132 ? by Corry Peterson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) RE: the eVette by Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Re: conversions by Chip Gribben [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) RE: the eVette by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Re: BB 600's by damon henry [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Peter Gabrielsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Re: conversions by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Re: the eVette by John Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) RE: White Zombie and Friday Night Drags by Matt Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: Building LiFePO4 packs from many, many 18650s (was Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack) by Tony Hwang [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: Building LiFePO4 packs from many, many 18650s (was Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack) by Ian Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) RE: the eVette by Mike Chancey [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) Re: the eVette by TrotFox Greyfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Hi Greyfoot, We live in Okeechobee Forida, if you would like a ride, call frist and let us know when you would like to come. Tom Sines -Original Message- From: TrotFox Greyfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jul 5, 2007 8:34 AM To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: Re: conversions Tom, If I'm ever down Florida-way we'll have to run yours and mine through a slalom. I'm unconvinced that my normal 4-wheeler is less maneuverable than your 3 wheeler. Trot, the certain, fox... On 7/5/07, Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rodger, Yes it is a motorcycle, that means no insurance in Florida. The advantages are,it holds more batteries so it will go farther on a charge.It will out maneuver any 4wheel car any time, and its fun to drive.It also has 2 motors twice the power. Tom Sines -- | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember, | ( o o ) AKA Landon Solomon \ There is a | \_/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ third alternative. PeoplePC Online A better way to Internet http://www.peoplepc.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- BOB, I think I will come to PIR for the wayland invitational and bring a scooter that I have set up for 36v if you have room for that many bb 600 maybe we can adapt them to it, probably have to build some sort of different battery box. what would the dimensions of a 36v pack be? See you in portland...(I if you are staying at the same hotel maybe we can share the expense) --- Steven Ciciora [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Bob, How many, and how much? I can get them back to Colorado in Bill Dube's rig, so shipping won't cost anything... - Steven Ciciora --- Bob Rice [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi EVerybody; Micro Sloth is up to it's old stuff! My note an BB600's bounced, said I wasn't subscribed to the List? Like hell! Have been for YEARS, but I'll use one of my notes that DID get through.Wipe it clean and forward. Point here, Oh, I'm GETTING to it! Anybody want/need some BB600's, like for a bike, scooter? A reasonable load for a Prius, as I would deliver on my Portland Pilgrimage in a few daze.Would help defray the expences, too. Seeya at PDX Bob Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/webhosting Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- Speaking of battery packs.. It seems ThunderSky's prices have gone up about 25% in the last 2 months, which means they've lost most of their cost advantage over PHET (and others), and with all this talk of dodgy business practices, it's given me reason for pause. So once again I'm entertaining the idea of building a pack from 18650s (yes, what a lot of work..!) I believe the Tesla pack has modules of 99 cells in series, with 23 of these modules connected in parallel. So no single cells are explicitly paralleled, and if capacities don't match exactly well it's averaged out over the 99. Great way to do it. But this requires BMS monitoring of each cell individually, which is just too much work for me!
EV digest 6995
EV Digest 6995 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Roland Wiench [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2) RE: the eVette by Dewey, Jody R ATC COMNAVAIRLANT, N422G5G [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3) Vicor DC-DC by [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 4) Re: easy (back on topic) by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 5) V-Infinity DC-DCs (was Re: Vicor DC-DC) by Ian Hooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6) World's Quickest Electric Vehicles in Portland, OR - 7/13/07 and 7/14/07 by Roy LeMeur [EMAIL PROTECTED] 7) Re: Building LiFePO4 packs from many, many 18650s (was Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack) by Marcin Ciosek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 8) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Marcin Ciosek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 9) Re: battery carrying straps wtb?? by mike golub [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10) Knoxville Area happenings? by TrotFox Greyfoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) by Roger Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 12) Re: the eVette by Peter VanDerWal [EMAIL PROTECTED] 13) Re: Motors by storm connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: the eVette by John Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] 15) Re: the eVette by Tom S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 16) Re: Sailboat Conversion by storm connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] 17) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jukka_J=E4rvinen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] 18) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by Marcin Ciosek [EMAIL PROTECTED] 19) Re: ADC Sep Ex or Perm-132 ? by dale henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] 20) Re: Knoxville Area happenings? by storm connors [EMAIL PROTECTED] 21) Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack by =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jukka_J=E4rvinen?= [EMAIL PROTECTED] 22) Re: ADC Sep Ex or Perm-132 ? by Dmitri [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23) RE: ADC Sep Ex or Perm-132 ? by Roger Stockton [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24) bury batts was: Re: Free Energy by patrick DonEgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 25) [Fwd: Re: Fiero conversions..?] by Ken Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---BeginMessage--- Simple, Peter has it right: 375 v / 3.6 volt per cell = about 104 cells or little less that are in series or about 99 cells. Then: 6831 cells /99 cells = about 69 strings in parallel The 99 by 69 combination is the only number that will come out even or you would have to cut a battery into sections. The 375 volts is the normal pack voltage where the actual voltage will be a little higher than that. Roland - Original Message - From: Peter Gabrielsson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Tesla Roadster Battery Pack 69 in parallel 99 in series. On 7/5/07, Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 11 modules. 6831 cells. 621 cells per module. 3.6 volts tmes 11 is about 40 volts. (that doesn't make sense!) I'm assuming that within each module is even more multiple parallel strings? On 7/5/07, Zeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: multiple parallel strings. On 7/5/07, Joseph T. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Tesla Roadster battery pack has 6,831 cells. The Tesla Roadster, I've heard, is supposed to be 375 volts. Hmm...Lithium Ion batteries are rated at 3.6 nominal voltage. So3.6 volts times 6,831 cells obviously doesn't equal 375 volts!!! What's going on here? -- Zeke Yewdall Chief Electrical Engineer Sunflower Solar, A NewPoint Energy Company Cell: 720.352.2508 Office: 303.459.0177 FAX documents to: 720.269.1240 [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.cosunflower.com CoSEIA Certified Certified BP Solar Installer National Association of Home Builders Quotable Quote In the dark of the moon, in flying snow, in the dead of winter, war spreading, families dying, the world in danger, I walk the rocky hillside sowing clover. Wendell Berry -- www.electric-lemon.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- I for one am very interested in it. I don't think that it would be very highway stable but I haven't driven it. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of TrotFox Greyfoot Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:50 To: ev@listproc.sjsu.edu Subject: Re: the eVette John, I'll grant that you're correct. I was assuming that Tom was showing this as a design that's ready to use by the general public, on the roads. I do not doubt that his videos are real and that the car is drivable and generally stable. If that is not the case, I apologize. It woulda been nice if he'd Said so though. Trot, the un-bristled, fox... On 7/5/07, John Fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You guys have missed some essential points about Tom's car, IMO. In treating it as some sort of challenge to be debunked, you haven't noticed what he has achieved, assuming the small pix and video are fair representations. -- | /\_/\ TrotFox \ Always remember,
