Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

[ken via EV]

Thanks for the possible explation.

I gues for know I'll use the bike controller.
I found out 1 thing that this one has a low freg some thing in it and
it makes my motors BUZ hard at low speeds.


On Sat, April 25, 2015 7:20 pm, Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
> Hi Ken,
> I am not sure how a hall-effect throttle works other than that it uses
> magnetism instead of a resistance trace. I believe that the throttle
> itself uses an AC voltage in a coil that is affected by a metal plunger
> attached to the throttle pedal, but I am not sure and it does not matter
> if the output from the hall effect throttle gets converted to a standard
> 0-5V throttle control voltage somewhere, then it is easy
> to take the pulses from the hall sensor on the mower axle and turn those
> into a control voltage also to automatically maintain RPM (rev up the
> motor if the hall pulses indicate that it is slowing down) this may need a
> simple inverting opamp to get the correct feedback, once you have the
> correct control signals.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
> Cor van de Water
> Chief Scientist
> Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
> Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.info
> Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130
> Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ken [mailto:k...@peakfoto.com]
> Sent: Sat 4/25/2015 10:30 AM
> To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers
>
>
>
>> If you are interested in the 36V DC motor, it even has a Hall effect
>> sensor on the axle that sits on top of the motor, to maintain RPM under
>> varying load, in case you'd like to add this to your controller (I
>> think that simply integrating the pulse output over time to get a DC
>> voltage representative of the speed and combining that with any throttle
>> input to the motor controller will do the trick. I believe Worx calls
>> this "intellicut"
>>
>
> I am working on using a controller to slow down the motor for power
> savings and noise for lighter grass.
>
> how complicated is to ad this to my existing controller that has a hall
> effect throlte?
>
> I would be nice to have it maintian constate speed .
>
>
> I the a cheap way to do this with out using a Bike controller and an add
> on.
>
> could I by the board from them or ???
>
> I built a box to put my headway cells in with bms, but the speed control
> would be nice also.
>
>
>
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[EVDL] Hey Buddy, Can You Spare Some Leaf Bus Bars?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Sat Apr 25 18:50:49 PDT 2015 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>On the off chance that one of you has taken apart a Leaf pack and reconfigured 
>it such that you?re not using the bus bars anymore, I?ve got to ask: can I 
>have or buy them from you?

I have a bunch up here on Whidbey Island.


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Re: [EVDL] Can Automakers Legally Stop You From Working On Your Car?

[Doc Kennedy via EV]

I'm not laughing. It's my worst nightmare and I'm just an artist and EV
tinker.

Doc

On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 11:08 PM, Ben Goren via EV 
wrote:

> Not specific to EVs, except insofar as they're coming of age at the same
> time as the automakers are trying to follow in the computer industry's
> footsteps.
>
>
> http://www.hotrod.com/news/1504-can-automakers-legally-stop-you-from-working-on-your-car/
>
> Homebrew conversions are going to have a great deal of attraction to them
> for anybody who doesn't want some corporate beancounter somewhere telling
> them what they can and can't do with an hunk of steel they just paid good
> money for. My only fear is that the automakers might try to get legislation
> passed that requires the original manufacturer to "certify" any such
> conversion. Can you imagine having to get permission from GM to drive your
> newly-electrified '57 Caddy?
>
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[EVDL] Can Automakers Legally Stop You From Working On Your Car?

[Ben Goren via EV]

Not specific to EVs, except insofar as they're coming of age at the same time 
as the automakers are trying to follow in the computer industry's footsteps.

http://www.hotrod.com/news/1504-can-automakers-legally-stop-you-from-working-on-your-car/
 

Homebrew conversions are going to have a great deal of attraction to them for 
anybody who doesn't want some corporate beancounter somewhere telling them what 
they can and can't do with an hunk of steel they just paid good money for. My 
only fear is that the automakers might try to get legislation passed that 
requires the original manufacturer to "certify" any such conversion. Can you 
imagine having to get permission from GM to drive your newly-electrified '57 
Caddy?

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Re: [EVDL] Hey Buddy, Can You Spare Some Leaf Bus Bars?

[Matt Lacey via EV]

Hi Bruce, I have bus bars from a vectrix, which have the same bolt spacing as 
the leaf. Where are you located?

Sent on the go with Vodafone from my Sony Xperia™ smartphone

 via EV wrote 

>On the off chance that one of you has taken apart a Leaf pack and reconfigured 
>it such that you’re not using the bus bars anymore, I’ve got to ask: can I 
>have or buy them from you?
>
>I’ve got 72 cells and arranging such that each cell is paired up with another. 
>This brings the overall pack voltage down to a more manageable level. But, it 
>requires more bus bars than the original did.
>
>Alternatively, if anyone knows a vendor, that could work, too.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Bruce
>
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[EVDL] Hey Buddy, Can You Spare Some Leaf Bus Bars?

[via EV]

On the off chance that one of you has taken apart a Leaf pack and reconfigured 
it such that you’re not using the bus bars anymore, I’ve got to ask: can I have 
or buy them from you?

I’ve got 72 cells and arranging such that each cell is paired up with another. 
This brings the overall pack voltage down to a more manageable level. But, it 
requires more bus bars than the original did.

Alternatively, if anyone knows a vendor, that could work, too.

Thanks in advance,

Bruce

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[EVDL] Japan showcases really, really fast … whoa, WTF was that?! • The Register

[Ben Goren via EV]

I don't remember if trains fall within the limits of discussion set forth by 
the charter or not...but, either way, this is *way* cool news about an electric 
vehicle:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/04/22/japan_train/ 

I have no idea how practical or economical it might be for Japan or the States. 
I don't care. I just want to live in a world where these things connect all the 
major cities, with trains spaced no more than 20-30 minutes apart!

And, why, yes. I _do_ want a pony, now that you mention it. How'd you guess?

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Re: [EVDL] Tesla Twitter-Acct hacked> *Bogus Free-Tesla offer

[Ben Goren via EV]

Let's hope Tesla's engineers are better at securing their over-the-air updates 
than their PR department is at securing their social media accounts

b&

On Apr 25, 2015, at 4:18 PM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

> 
> 
> http://mashable.com/2015/04/25/hackers-tesla-twitter-account/
> Hackers briefly take over Tesla Twitter account, offer fake free car
> By Adario Strange  [20150425]
> 
> [images  
> http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA0LzI1LzdkL3RzbDkwODcxLmE3YTA1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/e09c4a23/633/tsl90871.jpg
> tsl9087  Image: Rick Bowmer/Associated Press
> 
> http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA0LzI1LzlhL2RuNzAuNTI2ZTkuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJMTIwMHg5NjAwPg/0c8a21cc/97a/dn70.jpg
> dn70
> ]
> 
> The most talked about electric vehicle in the tech world, Tesla Motors,
> suffered a hack targeting its Twitter account Saturday.
> 
> Shortly after 4:30 p.m. ET, Tesla's Twitter account was taken over by
> unknown parties, with the message, "This twitter is now ran by @chf060 and
> @rootworx," and the Tesla name replaced by "#RIPPRGANG."
> 
> However, neither account mentioned in the message has taken credit for the
> hack, and the owner of the @rootworx account has posted messages denying any
> connection to the incident.
> 
> The subsequent tweets to the account by the hackers included racial epithets
> and even a message offering a free Tesla to anyone calling a telephone
> number posted to the Twitter account.
> 
> The owner of the @rootworx account claims to have received numerous calls
> about a free Tesla following the hack, along with the denial of any
> connection to the cyber attack.
> 
> Subsequent messages posted to the Tesla account direct credit for the hack
> to a Twitter account name matching the earlier hashtag.
> 
> The takeover lasted just under an hour and, as of this writing, Tesla
> appears to have regained control of its account. 
> [© mashable.com]
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/25/8497545/teslas-twitter-hacked
> Hackers temporarily take control of Tesla's website, Elon Musk's ...
> Earlier today, Tesla's Twitter account and website were taken over by some
> ... The hackers posted a phone number saying those who called it ...
> ...
> http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-25/tesla-hacked-on-twitter-media-relations-e-mail-accounts
> Tesla Hacked on Twitter, Media-Relations E-Mail Accounts
> Tesla Motors Inc.'s Twitter feed and its media-relations e-mail account were
> hacked Saturday, with the electric-car maker led by billionaire Elon Musk
> becoming the latest victim of online vandals. The hacker or hackers who
> compromised Tesla's Twitter feed ... 
> ...
> http://www.canadianreviewer.com/cr/2015/4/25/teslas-site-and-twitter-account-gets-hacked.html
> Tesla's site and Twitter account gets hacked
> April 25, 2015  Hackers seem to have gotten into both Tesla's website and
> official Twitter account. Around 5PM ET, tweets showed up on its page that
> suggest that the site was no longer handled by the company. It doesn't seem
> like anything to grave but it was still an ... 
> 
> 
> 
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[EVDL] Tesla Twitter-Acct hacked> *Bogus Free-Tesla offer

[brucedp5 via EV]

http://mashable.com/2015/04/25/hackers-tesla-twitter-account/
Hackers briefly take over Tesla Twitter account, offer fake free car
By Adario Strange  [20150425]

[images  
http://rack.3.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA0LzI1LzdkL3RzbDkwODcxLmE3YTA1LmpwZwpwCXRodW1iCTEyMDB4OTYwMD4/e09c4a23/633/tsl90871.jpg
tsl9087  Image: Rick Bowmer/Associated Press

http://rack.2.mshcdn.com/media/ZgkyMDE1LzA0LzI1LzlhL2RuNzAuNTI2ZTkuanBnCnAJdGh1bWIJMTIwMHg5NjAwPg/0c8a21cc/97a/dn70.jpg
dn70
]

The most talked about electric vehicle in the tech world, Tesla Motors,
suffered a hack targeting its Twitter account Saturday.

Shortly after 4:30 p.m. ET, Tesla's Twitter account was taken over by
unknown parties, with the message, "This twitter is now ran by @chf060 and
@rootworx," and the Tesla name replaced by "#RIPPRGANG."

However, neither account mentioned in the message has taken credit for the
hack, and the owner of the @rootworx account has posted messages denying any
connection to the incident.

The subsequent tweets to the account by the hackers included racial epithets
and even a message offering a free Tesla to anyone calling a telephone
number posted to the Twitter account.

The owner of the @rootworx account claims to have received numerous calls
about a free Tesla following the hack, along with the denial of any
connection to the cyber attack.

Subsequent messages posted to the Tesla account direct credit for the hack
to a Twitter account name matching the earlier hashtag.

The takeover lasted just under an hour and, as of this writing, Tesla
appears to have regained control of its account. 
[© mashable.com]



http://www.theverge.com/2015/4/25/8497545/teslas-twitter-hacked
Hackers temporarily take control of Tesla's website, Elon Musk's ...
Earlier today, Tesla's Twitter account and website were taken over by some
... The hackers posted a phone number saying those who called it ...
...
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-25/tesla-hacked-on-twitter-media-relations-e-mail-accounts
Tesla Hacked on Twitter, Media-Relations E-Mail Accounts
Tesla Motors Inc.'s Twitter feed and its media-relations e-mail account were
hacked Saturday, with the electric-car maker led by billionaire Elon Musk
becoming the latest victim of online vandals. The hacker or hackers who
compromised Tesla's Twitter feed ... 
...
http://www.canadianreviewer.com/cr/2015/4/25/teslas-site-and-twitter-account-gets-hacked.html
Tesla's site and Twitter account gets hacked
April 25, 2015  Hackers seem to have gotten into both Tesla's website and
official Twitter account. Around 5PM ET, tweets showed up on its page that
suggest that the site was no longer handled by the company. It doesn't seem
like anything to grave but it was still an ... 




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Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Hi Ken,
I am not sure how a hall-effect throttle works other than that it uses magnetism
instead of a resistance trace. I believe that the throttle itself uses an AC 
voltage
in a coil that is affected by a metal plunger attached to the throttle pedal,
but I am not sure and it does not matter if the output from the hall effect 
throttle
gets converted to a standard 0-5V throttle control voltage somewhere, then it 
is easy
to take the pulses from the hall sensor on the mower axle and turn those into a
control voltage also to automatically maintain RPM (rev up the motor if the hall
pulses indicate that it is slowing down) this may need a simple inverting opamp
to get the correct feedback, once you have the correct control signals.

Hope this helps,

Cor van de Water
Chief Scientist
Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
Email: cwa...@proxim.comPrivate: http://www.cvandewater.info
Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP: +31877841130
Tel: +1 408 383 7626Tel: +91 (040)23117400 x203



-Original Message-
From: ken [mailto:k...@peakfoto.com]
Sent: Sat 4/25/2015 10:30 AM
To: Cor van de Water; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers
 

> If you are interested in the 36V DC motor, it even has a Hall effect
> sensor on the axle that sits on top of the motor, to maintain RPM under
> varying load, in case you'd like to add this to your controller (I think
> that simply integrating the pulse output over time to get a DC voltage
> representative of the speed and combining that with any throttle input to
> the motor controller will do the trick. I believe Worx calls this
> "intellicut"

I am working on using a controller to slow down the motor for power
savings and noise for lighter grass.

how complicated is to ad this to my existing controller that has a hall
effect
throlte?

I would be nice to have it maintian constate speed .

I the a cheap way to do this with out using a Bike controller and an add on.

could I by the board from them or ???

I built a box to put my headway cells in with bms, but the speed control
would be nice also.



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Re: [EVDL] insurance for Zap car

[Lee Hart via EV]

ken via EV wrote:

Where can I find ins. that rates the Zap as motorcycle.
most charge full sized car rates.


It must vary between states. In Minnesota, MNDOT (MN Department of 
Transportation) categorizes all 3-wheel vehicles as "motorcycles". So 
motorcycle insurance rates apply, even for the Zap 3-wheel "cars". I 
know of 4 of them that were licensed and insured this way.


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[EVDL] insurance for Zap car

[ken via EV]

 Where can I find ins. that rates the Zap as motorcycle.

most charge full sized car rates.

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Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

[ken via EV]

On Fri, April 24, 2015 2:59 pm, Lee Hart via EV wrote:
> ken via EV wrote:
>> Where do I find the AC motors that are used to run the mower blades
>> that are on the decks of the riding mowers like Recharge n Zeon hustler
>> etc. I looking for myabe 750, 1000 watt motors.


http://www.meangreenproducts.com/products.html

I want to build a more power full mower like theres.

I think there using motors like this..

http://mac.en.alibaba.com/product/1915029935-210002900/Mac_2500rpm_brushless_motor_200w_to_1000w_brushless_dc_motor.html



I converted gas edger an DC electric powered one. but I want to do with
out belt. mount the motor/blade on the end of the arm.

I want an enclosed motor.





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Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

[ken via EV]

> If you are interested in the 36V DC motor, it even has a Hall effect
> sensor on the axle that sits on top of the motor, to maintain RPM under
> varying load, in case you'd like to add this to your controller (I think
> that simply integrating the pulse output over time to get a DC voltage
> representative of the speed and combining that with any throttle input to
> the motor controller will do the trick. I believe Worx calls this
> "intellicut"

I am working on using a controller to slow down the motor for power
savings and noise for lighter grass.

how complicated is to ad this to my existing controller that has a hall
effect
throlte?

I would be nice to have it maintian constate speed .

I the a cheap way to do this with out using a Bike controller and an add on.

could I by the board from them or ???

I built a box to put my headway cells in with bms, but the speed control
would be nice also.

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Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers

[Russ Sciville via EV]

I use a Lynch designed flat DC motor which is available from agnimotors.com.

Originally purchased from Ebay as an ex "Robot Wars" fighting machine motor, it 
runs on 36v and I use ex equipment 95Ah lead acid batteries which last at least 
two seasons at a time.

My "Stiga" twin blade mulching mower has around a half hour run time on good 
cells and is quieter and more powerful than the ICE it replaces.

No ear defenders needed which was a main reason for replacing it and the motor 
is ideally designed for vertical shift installation.

Cedric Lynch, the innovator of the motor (and a really nice bloke) has had a 
rocky time over the years with big business stealing his design so go to the 
web site and take a look.

I vastly prefer AC motors for transport but these highly efficient compact DC 
motors are not to be ignored for this type of application.   

Russ

On Fri, 24/4/15, Cor van de Water via EV  wrote:

 Subject: Re: [EVDL] AC motors for mowers
 To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 
 Date: Friday, 24 April, 2015, 21:23
 
 I have a Worx 36V mower
 that has a failed controller, the (DC) motor is good and
 very powerful,
 I have tested it with a 24V
 10A power supply and it hummed!
 But I am not
 needing a bladed mower since my yard is so small and uneven
 that I always end up
 using the weed whacker
 to mow the parts that need mowing.
 
 If you are interested in the 36V DC motor, it
 even has a Hall effect sensor on the axle
 that sits on top of the motor, to maintain RPM
 under varying load, in case you'd like to
 add this to your controller (I think that
 simply integrating the pulse output over time
 to get a DC voltage representative of the speed
 and combining that with any throttle input
 to the motor controller will do the trick. I
 believe Worx calls this "intellicut"
 
 You can pick it up locally in
 Silicon Valley or pay me shipping and I will be happy to
 see
 it go to good use instead of the mower
 sitting neglected in a corner of my terras.
 
 Cor van de Water
 Chief Scientist
 Proxim
 Wireless
 
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 From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org]
 On Behalf Of Lee Hart via EV
 Sent: Friday,
 April 24, 2015 12:00 PM
 To: Electric Vehicle
 Discussion List
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] AC
 motors for mowers
 
 ken via
 EV wrote:
 > Where do I find the AC motors
 that are used to run the mower blades 
 >
 that are on the decks of the riding mowers like Recharge n
 Zeon hustler etc.
 > I looking for myabe
 750, 1000 watt motors.
 
 Are
 you sure they're using an AC motor? Every electric mower
 I've seen used plain old brushed DC motors. Either
 it's running directly on the battery (like my ElecTrak,
 or Black & Decker push mower), or it's running off
 the AC line with a bridge rectifier (my Rally mower).
 
 > Also whats the differance
 between Dc brushless and Ac motor?
 
 Fundamentally, they're both AC motors.
 *All* motors are really AC motors!
 
 - A brushed DC motor uses brushes and a
 commutator to convert DC
     into AC for
 the actual motor. Brushed motors can either
     use magnets or wound field coils.
 - A "brushless DC" motor is just an
 AC motor with an electronic
    
 commutator ("inverter") to convert DC into AC for
 the motor.
     Most (but not all)
 brushless DC motor have permanent magnets.
 -
 An AC motor obviously just leaves off whatever device the
 others
     had to convert DC into AC,
 since AC is already available.
     Most
 (but not all) AC motors don't use magnets.
 
 > AC is 3 phase and Dc
 brushless has electronics on the motor that 
 > changes it to AC?
 
 Not quite. AC motors can have any number of
 phases; single-phase, 2-phase, and 3-phase are the most
 common.
 
 The controller (for
 any type of motor) can either be attached to the motor, or
 in a separate box.
 
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[EVDL] EVLN: Earth Day 2015: 10 Things To Know About EVs

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http://www.thestreet.com/story/13119139/1/earth-day-2015-10-things-you-dont-know-about-electric-vehicles.html
Earth Day 2015: 10 Things You Don't Know About Electric Vehicles
By CarInsurance.com | 04/20/15

We're all familiar with the basic premise of electric vehicles -- that they
are much better for our environment. But here are a few facts about electric
vehicles (EVs) that you likely don't know:

1.Aging EV batteries perform better than we thought

"Range anxiety," the concern that you might not have enough driving range to
reach your destination or next charging station, is felt by many
eco-friendly drivers, but on top of that, there's the fear that you will
have to replace your battery after a few years.

With today's EV batteries, "end of life" is commonly defined as when the
storage capacity drops down to 70 to 80 percent of the original capacity.
This can happen after a few years of daily driving. As capacity fades, the
vehicle's range decreases. At that point, typically once its down 20
percent, common wisdom goes, the battery should be replaced. So when
scientists last week issued a report refuting that notion, it came as a
pleasant surprise.

Scientists at the Department of Energy's Lawrence Berkeley National
Laboratory (Berkeley Lab) decided to investigate the extent to which
vehicles still meet the needs of drivers beyond this common battery
retirement threshold.

Samveg Saxena, who leads a vehicle power-train research program at Berkeley
Lab, analyzed real-world driving patterns and found that "range anxiety may
be an over-stated concern" since EVs can meet the daily travel needs of more
than 85 percent of U.S. drivers even after losing 20 percent of their
originally rated battery capacity. The report also says that EV batteries
can "satisfy daily mobility requirements for the full lifetime of an
electric vehicle."

Even at 50 percent of the EV battery's original storage capacity, about 80
percent of daily driving needs could still be met, according to the report.
At 30 percent of the original capacity, 55 percent would still get where
they need to go on a daily basis.

"There are two main reasons people are hesitant to buy an EV: first, they're
unsure it will satisfy their mobility needs, and second, they're afraid the
battery won't last the whole life of the car and they'll have to replace it
for a lot of money," said Saxena, who has a PhD in mechanical engineering.
"We show that, even after substantial battery degradation, the daily travel
needs of most people are still going to be met."


2. EV sales sluggish; researchers suggest swapping tax credits for charging
station building funds

A new National Science Foundation (NSF) report, which draws on statistics
from the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) and automotive sources, points out
that a little more than 250,000 electric cars have been sold since 2010, the
first year they became available.

In recent years, about 97,000 electric cars were bought in 2013 and 119,000
in 2014. Paltry figures, the NSF laments, when compared to the 13 million
gas-powered vehicles (passenger cars, light pickup trucks, SUVs and vans)
sold in 2013 and the more than 14 million in 2014.

Why has adoption been slow? The main reasons, according to the NSF and DOE,
have been in place since the beginning -- electric cars are expensive and
most people don't fully understand the technology. Further, there just
aren't enough charging stations to satisfy the needs of motorists hoping to
pollute less but still drive great distances.

As for the "prohibitive" price of most EVs - which the NSF says ranges from
$15,000 to more than $70,000 - the researchers do point out that a $7,500
tax credit can ease buyers' pain. But they wonder if that's the best way to
spend the $1.05 billion they say subsidies have cost the federal government.

They suggest the money could instead be used to build more than 60,000
charging outlets across the country, which might lead to a five-fold jump in
EV sales. "That number of potential charging stations is significant," the
report states, "it represents about half the total number of gasoline
stations in the United States." 


3. Electric vehicle insurance may involve your homeowner policy

Depending on where you live, you may be required to include liability
coverage in your homeowners insurance policy for fires or any other
potential mishaps tied to the car's charging system.

"The American Association of Insurance Services reports that laws in at
least two states -- Oregon and California -- require some homeowners and
condo-owners to have liability coverage that protects the charging
equipment," Allstate says on its website. "Even if your state doesn't
require coverage in this circumstance, it may be a good idea to talk to your
insurance agent about any homeowners insurance implications."


4. Electric vehicles typically cost more to insure

Repair and replacement costs for EVs are higher than for gas-powered cars so
EVs are usually more 

[EVDL] EVLN: Smith.au EV assembly plant> produce 200+/yr e-delivery trucks

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http://www.couriermail.com.au/business/electric-trucks-set-to-power-up-in-brisbane-as-diesel-becomes-costly/story-fnihsps3-1227310829608
Electric trucks set to power up in Brisbane as diesel becomes costly
Glen Norris  April 19, 2015

[image  
http://resources0.news.com.au/images/2015/04/19/1227310/827216-7b27977a-e3cc-11e4-94b6-82ca2df23a80.jpg
Smith Electric executive director Glenn Baird at King George Square in
Brisbane
]

Electric delivery trucks and vans assembled in Brisbane may soon be whizzing
around city streets as they become cheaper to operate than diesel and petrol
models.


US-based Smith Electric Vehicles and partner Smith Electric Australia are
eyeing either Brisbane or Melbourne for an assembly plant that could
eventually put together more than 200 light delivery trucks a year.


Smith has been producing electric vehicles for 80 years but is now riding a
wave of demand for cost effective, environmentally-friendly commercial
vehicles. Toll Group has been trialling one of the company’s delivery vans
since 2013.

Smith Electric Australia executive director Glenn Baird said the rising
costs of running fleets of diesel or petrol commercial vehicles meant the
demand for electric vans would grow.

“They can be 70 per cent more cost effective, which means they will
increasingly become the norm in commercial vehicle fleets,” Mr Baird said.

He said improved battery technology and increased environmental compliance
costs for internal combustion engines would push adoption of electric
fleets. The trial Toll van has travelled over 26,000 kilometres over the
past 18 months completing more than 335 delivery runs.

“Electric vehicles have become more efficient,” he said. “The cost of
electric vehicle batteries alone are 30 per cent of what they were five
years ago.”

Smith is expected to make a decision on where to locate the plant by late
this year. Victoria, which is trying to re-establish its manufacturing base
after the shutdown of the car industry, is expected to provide stiff
competition for Brisbane.

Mr Baird, Smith Electric Australia managing director Tony Fairweather and
senior Smith Electric executives from the United States met with Brisbane
City Council, Brisbane Marketing and the Queensland Government last week to
discuss the proposal.

The chassis, engines and batteries of the vehicles will be manufactured
overseas with the body work and assembly done in Australia.
[© couriermail.com.au]


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/business/smith-electric-looks-to-plug-into-future-with-melbourne-assembly-plant/story-fni0dcne-1227310919073?nk=bb19a97d16eda39fc23278b1569392af
Smith Electric looks to plug into future with Melbourne assembly plant
John Dagge  April 19, 2015
Mr Hansel points to much lower running costs ...




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http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097915_hey-media-electric-cars-arent-hybrids-the-difference-matters
Hey, Media: Hybrids Aren't Electric Cars, The Difference Matters

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097958_how-similar-are-chevy-volt-malibu-hybrid-powertrains-very-much-heres-why
Volt pih & Malibu hev Powertrains are Very similar
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/2016-chevrolet-volt_100501816_m.jpg

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/61384/holden-new-volt-ev-ruled-out-for-australia-bolt-unclear
Holden: New Volt EV Ruled Out For Australia ...

http://www.kansascity.com/cars/article19420233.html
BMW i3 REX pih: Electric urban mobility
By TOM STRONGMAN  04/24/2015

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1097982_plug-in-hybrid-hummers-headed-for-the-south-pole-on-biodiesel
Plug-In Hybrid HUMMERs Headed For The South Pole on B100
http://images.thecarconnection.com/med/zero-south-plug-in-hybrid-hummer_100509038_m.jpg

http://www.siliconrepublic.com/clean-tech/item/41656-new-electric-motor-could-be
An soda-can sized electric-motor producing 50+hp @40k rpm
http://tvnz.co.nz/national-news/kiwi-rocket-getting-closer-lift-off-electric-motor-size-coke-can-6288100
http://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news/mitsubishi-hits-out-at-irresponsible-claims-that-mpg-figures-are-misleading-0423972847
Mitsubishi sez ‘irresponsible’ hybrid MPG claims are misleading

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/chargepoint-plans-to-make-ev-charging-easier-for-drivers-living-in-apartments-94409.html
ChargePoint Plans to Make Apartment-Living EV Charging Easier
http://www.greentechmedia.com/articles/read/ChargePoint-Launches-An-EV-Charging-Product-Tailored-for-Apartments-and-Con
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[EVDL] EVLN: China Won’t Let Toyota Ditch Its Plugin EVs

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'Bottom line: China wants plugin EVs produced & sold in China'

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-04-23/china-won-t-let-toyota-ditch-its-electric-cars
China Won’t Let Toyota Ditch Its Electric Cars
April 22, 2015

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Photographer: Kiyoshi Ota/Bloomberg

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]

Beijing wants plug-ins. So automakers roll out new models

Toyota Motor has made its view loud and clear: [Plugin EVs are not] the
future. That’s why the world’s largest automaker pulled the plug last year
on the all-electric RAV4 EV crossover it developed with Tesla Motors. China,
the world’s largest auto market, isn’t listening.

The government has begun a strategic initiative to build electric cars on
the mainland and is encouraging foreign manufacturers and their local
partners to get with the program. So as many as 40 electric models will go
on sale in China this year—triple the number available two years ago—as
automakers hew to the policies, Bloomberg Intelligence estimates.

“It is the cost of entry of being here,” James Chao, managing director of
IHS Automotive in Shanghai, says of the joint-venture electric vehicles. “A
lot of it is kind of for show, and they just want to please the government.”

Toyota will roll out the Leahead and Ranz all-electric brands with its China
partners Guangzhou Automobile Group and FAW Group starting this year. The
models will make China the only market where Toyota sells EVs.

“They’ll do some token launches and token sales, but I’m not expecting any
waves,” says Ashvin Chotai, managing director of researcher Intelligence
Automotive Asia, who advised Mercedes-Benz owner Daimler and China’s BYD on
their Denza electric-vehicle brand for China. “This is just a distraction,
an unwanted headache.”

 “It is the cost of entry of being here. A lot of it is kind of for show,
and they just want to please the government.” —James Chao, IHS Automotive

Carmakers say marketing an EV has become a necessity for those trying to win
government approval to build factories. China’s new auto fuel economy
standards also call for a 28 percent drop in average per-vehicle fuel
consumption by 2020—something likely to happen only if plug-ins are
embraced. Toyota has shown guarded support in its public comments about
electric cars in China ...

The chief engineer of Toyota’s Mirai [fcv] strayed from that company line in
mid-April. At a test-drive with reporters in Yokohama, Japan, Yoshikazu
Tanaka said the usefulness of EVs is dependent on quick-charging stations
that are too taxing on local electric grids. “I don’t think such cars will
become popular,” he said. But Hiroji Onishi, Toyota’s chief executive
officer for the China region, said on April 21 that because President Xi
Jinping is accelerating the EV push, “we believe infrastructure including
charging stations will be developed quite rapidly.” ...

At the Shanghai auto show in late April, the Mirai was placed on a stage at
the center of Toyota’s stand while cars from the two local all-electric
brands were relegated to the edges of its display area. Chairman Takeshi
Uchiyamada, chief engineer of the original Prius, unveiled two made-in-China
hybrid compact cars without a word about EVs.

Besides Toyota, other China EV ventures in the works include Volkswagen and
SAIC Motor’s Tantus, Hyundai Motor and Beijing Automotive Group’s Shouwang,
and BMW and Brilliance China Automotive Holdings’ Zinoro. Those additions
may help China put 1 million to 2 million electric vehicles and other
so-called new energy vehicles on its roads by 2020, estimates Andreas Graef,
principal at A.T. Kearney in Shanghai. That’s short of the country’s 5
million target.

Even if electric vehicles take off, the new, unknown joint-venture brands
have little chance of winning over large numbers of regular consumers to
their EV models, says Steve Man, a Hong Kong-based analyst at Bloomberg
Intelligence. So those cars are probably destined for China’s local
governments and utility companies, he says.
 —With Masatsugu Horie and Tian Ying

The bottom line: China wants electric cars to be produced on the mainland.
So automakers will offer as many as 40 plug-in models this year.
[© bloomberg.com]



http://www.commdiginews.com/featured/toyota-being-fueled-by-bullsht-40223/
Toyota: Being fueled by bullsh*t!
...
http://3blmedia.com/News/Fueled-Bullsht
Fueled by Bullsh*t
April 22, 2015 ... powering the ... Toyota Mirai ...
...
http://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/videos/a25603/the-toyota-mirai-is-full-of-crap/
The Toyota Mirai is full of crap
Apr 22, 2015  But in the face of more convenient-to-use plug-in hybrids and
electric cars, which at least let you refuel at home, the Mirai faces ...
challenges ...




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