Re: [EVDL] Lithium Battery Testing

2016-08-14 Thread ken via EV
 I have the ev power moduals also . just HV/ LV make it hard to know whats
going on . I'd use water heater elements or dryer elements for the
draining/ testing . then use the volt meter when the LV comes and watch
the red/green lights .  my 24 cell scooter has gbs cells, so I got "cell
log 8 s"
with the logging and can ride download. I can also set it to alarm at semi
LV . all gets down to time n money .

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Re: [EVDL] hub motor for 20" wheels

2016-08-14 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
Just realized you're looking for a 36V solution and the Currie setup is for
24V.  Go to http://evdeals.com/Currie%20Kit.htm and see their similar kit
and options.  Theirs is 24V too, but call Scott at 508-695-3717.  I'm
guessing some of his motor options could be run at 36V just fine, and
you'll need to overspeed it anyway to get that tiny 20" rear wheel up to
20-25 mph.  It's a good bet that Scott will know if that's feasible.

The main advantages with this approach are that you keep your original
wheel and there's less weight added to it.  Not a small concern for a bike
with a suspended rear wheel.  Understand if you do this it will ride
harsher just because of the added weight on the wheel.

Chris

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> A Currie E Drive (or similar) setup might work.
>
> http://www.electricscooterparts.com/currieelectrodriveelectricbicy
> clekitparts.html
>
> Chris
>
> On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 5:29 PM, ken via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org> wrote:
>
>>   I have a Bike E with 20" back wheel . Where can I find a reasonably
>> priced wheel thats desgined to be effeient for  that RPM / 20- 25 mph
>> and 36 volts.
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Re: [EVDL] Breakers in Reverse?

2016-08-14 Thread Roland via EV
Yes, there are control circuits on the load terminals.  The line side is 
connected directly to the line contact of the internal switch. The load 
contact has a overload circuit that connects to a overload relay similar to 
the overload relays that are use in magnetic starter.

In some circuit breaker, the load side terminals may be connected to other 
optional circuits for shunt control, remote control of the breaker and 
operational indicator of the breaker.

We wire the positive and negative to the breaker from the power source or 
line side and the output to the loads on the load terminal.

Be sure to use a circuit breaker rated for DC.  Some breakers are rated for 
AC and DC.

Roland






- Original Message - 
From: "Cor van de Water via EV" 

To: "Bill Dennis" ; "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" 


Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 1:19 AM

Subject: Re: [EVDL] Breakers in Reverse?



> I believe that Lee responded to a similar question a while back that there 
> are some breakers, where a circuit is connected to the load side of the 
> breaker so if it trips then it is no longer powered but put it in reverse 
> and it remains powered and might overload. I forget what type of circuit 
> was on the load side of those breakers, it might be a coil.
> Cor
>
> > On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill Dennis via EV  
> > wrote:
> >
> > When putting a Heinemann breaker on the negative side of the battery 
> > pack
> > instead of the positive side, should the connections be reversed so that 
> > the
> > breaker's Load terminal is connected to the battery instead of its Line
> > terminal?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bill
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Re: [EVDL] Breakers in Reverse?

2016-08-14 Thread Lee Hart via EV

Cor van de Water via EV wrote:

I believe that Lee responded to a similar question a while back that
there are some breakers, where a circuit is connected to the load
side of the breaker so if it trips then it is no longer powered but
put it in reverse and it remains powered and might overload. I forget
what type of circuit was on the load side of those breakers, it might
be a coil.


Yes; a GFCI breaker is a common example. The GFCI circuitry is powered 
from the load side of the breaker, so it is automatically switched off 
when the breaker trips.


Some breakers have "trip" coils that get energized to force it to 
rapidly trip when some threshold current, rate-of-rise in current, arc 
detection, or other event occurs. These circuits are likewise powered 
from the load side, so they get turned off automatically when the 
breaker trips.


The other reason that polarity can matter on a DC breaker is that there 
can be arc-suppression components that depend on knowing the polarity. 
For instance, blow-out magnets that push the arc in a "safe" direction 
when the current flows from line to load. If the current flow is 
backwards, the arc gets pushed the "wrong" way, where it can damage 
other parts inside the breaker.


As an example, I have a Heinemann 160vdc breaker. It has a screened arc 
port, and you can clearly see the blowout magnets on each side of the 
contact. When it opens a current from line to load, the magnets blow the 
arc OUT the screened port. If it opened with a current from load to 
line, the arc would be blown INTO the guts of the breaker, where they 
could do a lot of damage.


You really have to contact the manufacturer of the breaker and ask THEM 
for a definitive answer on the particular make/model you are using.


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Re: [EVDL] hub motor for 20" wheels

2016-08-14 Thread Chris Tromley via EV
A Currie E Drive (or similar) setup might work.

http://www.electricscooterparts.com/currieelectrodriveelectricbicyclekitparts.html

Chris

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>   I have a Bike E with 20" back wheel . Where can I find a reasonably
> priced wheel thats desgined to be effeient for  that RPM / 20- 25 mph
> and 36 volts.
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Re: [EVDL] Which one china lifepo4 60 Ah?

2016-08-14 Thread Jukka Järvinen via EV
Why NMC/LMO/LCO over LFP on OEM EVs? Due the cell cost. LFP base patents
are still valid for few years while others are free game. Sometimes I feel
they also wanted to make shitty solutions to prove EVs are no-go. You just
got to love how Tesla is wiping floor with those arrogant a*#%¥£es. :)

When comparing Chinese LFP providers it's good to remember the original
developer of this tech. Nearly all prismatic cell manufacturers are
originally TS license factories. TS provided tech to all of them. Then many
of the factories (couple dozen) have taken their own path. Many of them
have not continued to buy raw materials from TS and have started their own
development. Many buy LFP from other vendors who build very different LFP.
Cells may perform better and give more power but we are after calendar
life. We've proven 10 years on the road on customer cars (with super good
BMS made by yours truly and MetricMind Victor).

Also TS has mastered the water based slurrying over a decade and only now
others have started to adopt it. The GigaFactory solvent recuperation
process is another way to find cost efficiency but it takes space and
requires more investment. TS water slurry coaters fit 8x more production
capacity in the same space and no VOC! There is also now a major change
coming to the production process which may (if successful) 30-fold the
producion speed.

TS aims to have the best cost efficiency so there is no excuse for anyone
not to go for EVs. The inventor of TS is an EV geek just like us. Also very
nice and warm hearted person. He always tries to do the best to serve us
but due the good will too many exploit it and there is just so much one man
can do.

It's not his or his products fault if cells go smokey with no BMS. We have
been looking vast amount of solutions how to integrate BMS to the cell and
there are now few very good options we will test extensively out.

It would also be benefical to have formation data on the chip so it's
easier to see how the rest of the formation is completed after
installation. Yes. It takes several hundred cycles to 'build' so it matters
quite alot how you use cells when you pull them out from the box. Other
manufacturers cycle more and age the cell longer. TS let's you decide how
you do it. Your BMS will in most cases do it for you. Never go without BMS.
Also never use s€&@t for BMS either. Use good and well tested ones.

If you have still working TS cells in the pack replace the broken ones with
new similar cells and add good BMS. Then drive with smile :)

-Jukka



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> On 13 Aug 2016 at 17:35, paul dove via EV wrote:
>
> > I have seen very little evidence of such. Most people are still driving
> their
> > conversions BMS  or  not. My vehicle has over 20,000 miles on it with no
> sign
> > of capacity loss.
>
> That's good to know, but as I see it, what "most people" report isn't all
> that helpful in evaluating the true practical cycle life of LiFePO4.  As
> any
> statistical researcher will tell you, the plural of anecdote is not data.
>
> Maybe it's better than no information at all. But what we really need is
> rigorous and independent cycle life testing, using enough samples for
> statistically valid results.
>
> Lee Hart may not have the sample size yet, but in my book his controlled
> cell and battery testing has more credibility than dozens of anecdotal
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20160814

2016-08-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Wind-amp-solar-canopy-powered-fasted-EV-charging-station-v-td4683300.html
EVLN: Wind & solar-canopy powered fasted EV-charging station (v)
Beautiful solar-powered car chargers keep the Netherlands moving
Ever since I started driving an electric car, I've been surprised by just
how little I need or care about having a charging network available to me.
But I have a ...

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EVLN: EVTripping.com app enhances a Tesla road trip experience
Planning a road trip with the Model S and Model X is as easy as plugging in
a destination ...

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EVLN: Rs1.4M($21k) Hulas' Da-Vinci EV field-testing on Nepal's roads
Hulas' new electric car model put to road test
Hulas Motors, a subsidiary of Golchha Organisation, has started field
testing of its new ...

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 ... results call revealed plans to manufacture building integrated solar
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[EVDL] EVLN: EVTripping.com app enhances an EV road trip experience

2016-08-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV
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http://www.teslarati.com/evtripping-app-tesla-roadtrip-planning/#
‘EVTripping’ launches app to enhance the Tesla road trip planning experience
August 9, 2016  Rob M.
 
Planning a road trip with the Model S and Model X is as easy as plugging in
a destination address through the vehicle’s onboard Nav, getting in the car,
and then going. At least that’s what Tesla’s Trip Planner aims to do, but
the truth of the matter is, it falls short on some areas that I find
critical when planning for a long distance all electric road trip.

Having gone through a busy summer of traveling, with one Tesla road trip
taking me as far as Boston to South Florida, and another trip to Alaska –
though this one I flew to, I’ve had time to think about additional features
that I myself would like to have access to when planning for an EV trip. I
figured that if these are features I felt a need for, there certainly has to
be other folks within the Tesla community sharing the same sentiment.

So I decided to build it. EVTripping.com
North to Alaska! Picture of Denali, the highest mountain peak in North
America

EXISTING EV PLANNING TOOLS
Let’s start by highlighting some of the popular services out there: 
PlugShare, Teslarati’s Interactice Supercharger Map, OpenChargeMap, and the
popular EVTripPlanner. Each service has its own specific purpose, and they
all provide a wealth of information for trip planning. But still I wished I
can somehow combine features from each service into one app, but also add to
it with additional features.

I’ve compiled a wish list of features that I hope to address with
EVTripping.

At present time no app or service that I know of, outside of the existing
Tesla navigation system, is able to predict charge times needed for charging
stops. Tesla does it but they tend to be overly optimistic about how much
charge time is needed. (EVTripPlanner has since added more realistic charge
times which is very helpful)

We need to be able to see true elapsed time for the trip in order to better
predict where one will be at any given time

It would be nice to be able to see points of interest along the journey such
as destinations for food.

Being able to export the trip planning details in digital form or print it
out as a PDF would be a nice to have.

Weather is a variable that can change along your journey. This should be
reflected when planning for a Tesla road trip.

CREATION OF EVTRIPPING
I’m proud to announce that less than 6 months after I conceived the idea for
a new online trip planner EVTripping.com was born.

If you want to learn more about the sequence of events that led to the
launch of EVTripping.com, follow along and check out the timeline which
describes everything that’s being worked on.

Response to the site has been overwhelmingly positive despite very limited
coverage so far. We’ve added over 200 registered users in less than a week
and routed almost a quarter million miles on the production site.

I’ll speak of the site in terms of “we” and “our” because, while I’m the
chief cook and bottle washer for the site, I see this as a project for and
by the community. Many of you are already helping by filing bug reports,
suggesting feature requests and sharing ideas.

We’ve been busy this first week of launch. We’ve fixed buds, added
international support, adjusted time based on a user’s geography, built
multi-language support, added foreign character support, and continue to
refine the routing intelligence. Early users of the app have been super
helpful and supportive so I’d like to thank each and every one of them.

FREE TESLA MONITORING
I’ve written an open-source tool before that allows me to take control of my
Tesla while also monitoring my SolarCity production. EVTripping adds much of
the same functionality when it comes to notifications. The app will monitor
your Tesla and remind you when it’s time to rotate your tires, how much
you’re driving, the efficiency you’re getting, and more.

Not plugged in
I’m focussed on building the tools I need for my Tesla lifestyle and will
share them with the community along the way.

THE FUTURE
We’re not done yet with EVTripping. I call this stage the “minimum viable
product”. Where we go from here will depend on you and others within the EV
community. Though I have plenty of product level ideas, we can decide on
these together.

One of my big dreams for the site is to add support for other EVs beyond
Tesla. I’m defining an EV as an electric vehicle capable of taking a road
trip using Superchargers, CHAdeMO, CCS, etc, versus one that you can take
trips in, but have to plug in for many hours each time you stop.

There’s no shortage of media outlets covering Tesla, and fantastic podcasts
like Ride the Lightning and Talking Tesla, but my focus since I began
writing was to talk about the lifestyle component of owning, and 

[EVDL] If you build it, will they charge? Utilities' cautious plans to spur electric vehicle adoption

2016-08-14 Thread brucedp5 via EV

% Utilities' deep-pockets are actually rate-payer funded, the utility people
making these decisions do not drive Electric, nor do they involve EV drivers
in the decision process. There is nothing more wasteful than an EVSE
installed in a location drivers do not want to go, or its use-fee too high
so they do not use it. EVSE installations should be designed to be dynamic:
to be able to shift/relocated-to where it is needed. %

http://www.utilitydive.com/news/if-you-build-it-will-they-charge-utilities-cautious-in-plans-to-spur-elec/423982/
If you build it, will they charge?
August 10, 2016  Herman K. Trabish

[images   
http://www.utilitydive.com/user_media/diveimage/UD-AvistaChargers-2-08-07-2016.jpg
L1,2,3  / National Renewable Energy Lab

http://www.utilitydive.com/user_media/diveimage/UD-AvistaChargers-3-08-07-2016.jpg
California has by far the most EVs in the U.S., but utilities expect
adoption to accelerate in other states as well  / DOE Alternative Fuels Data
Center 
]

Utilities cautious in plans to spur electric vehicle adoption
Utilities are well positioned to enhance EV infrastructure, but many are
waiting for a push from regulators and the market
 
One utility's small electric vehicle charger pilot raises a big question:
Why is it taking so long to build the infrastructure that could drive the
plug-in car industry?

Avista Utilities will spend $3 million to install, own, and operate 272
grid-integrated electric vehicle (EV) chargers at about 200 residential,
workplace, and public charging sites in its Eastern Washington state service
territory. The utility's intent is to understand and prepare for managing
the impacts of a higher EV charging load on its system.

The state of Washington had over 16,000 EVs at the end of 2015 and the
Washington State Electric Vehicle Action Plan targets 50,000 plug-in
vehicles by 2020, according to Avista Utilities Manager of Electric
Transportation Rendall Farley.

The state currently has 1,544 public charging outlets, and it doesn’t take a
mathematician to divide 50,000 by 1,544 and get chaos. That is an
exaggeration of the imbalance, of course, because the number of chargers
will grow with the adoption of EVs. But it is emblematic of a potential
national imbalance between cars with plugs and spots to charge.

The U.S. has 482,217 EVs, according to Plug-in America, and there are 14,040
public charging stations and 35,006 charging outlets, according to the U.S.
Department of Energy.

Considering a level 2 charger’s 10 to 20 miles of range per hour of charging
rate, 35,000 chargers for more than 482,200 cars is not a formula for
convenience.

And, while small pilots like Avista’s are emerging, the imbalance may be
growing.

“Largely funded by DOE and state programs, there was a significant EV
infrastructure build-up between 2011 and 2014, GTM Research Senior Analyst
Ravi Manghani told Utility Dive, "but in recent months EV sales have
outstripped infrastructure growth."

To address the imbalance, the White House just announced a plan to make up
to $4.5 billion in loan guarantees available to accelerate EV growth. A key
goal of the plan is to stimulate public-private-utility partnerships that
will drive more deployment of charging infrastructure. The Department of
Energy also has a strategic partnership with the Edison Electric Institute,
the trade group for investor-owned utilities, to expand EV adoption.

Despite that, many utilities say they face the problem of whether to build
out EV charging infrastructure now, betting on later adoption, or to wait
for consumer demand to pick up, and risk slowing EV growth and being froze
out of the charging market. Though the Avista pilot's numbers are small, its
structure may point the way toward some larger strategies to solve the
national EV imbalance.

DC Fast Charging stations can be too expensive for private vendors to
install at public locations, opening an opportunity to deploy utility
capital.

The utility charger scene
Utilities would seem to have the deep pockets to support large charger
infrastructure builds and they could benefit from the increased load, but
they have been hampered by regulatory constraints.

“This is a tricky market for utilities,” said GTM Research Analyst Timotej
Gavrilovic.

In California, which leads the country in EV adoption, regulators scaled
back Southern California Edison’s $22 million Charge Ready pilot and San
Diego Gas and Electric’s $45 million Power Your Drive program in final
approvals. Pacific Gas and Electric proposed the most ambitious U.S. utility
charger installation program, has twice had it scaled back by regulators,
and is still awaiting a final ruling.

The Los Angeles Department of Water and Power faces a mandate requiring
electrification of 80% the city’s fleet vehicles by 2025. At present, it is
focusing on its own fleet, providing technical and other kinds of support
for other City Departments, and “exploring new technologies,” according to
Spokesperson Amanda 

Re: [EVDL] Breakers in Reverse?

2016-08-14 Thread Cor van de Water via EV
I believe that Lee responded to a similar question a while back that there are 
some breakers, where a circuit is connected to the load side of the breaker so 
if it trips then it is no longer powered but put it in reverse and it remains 
powered and might overload. I forget what type of circuit was on the load side 
of those breakers, it might be a coil. 
Cor

> On Aug 12, 2016, at 4:35 PM, Bill Dennis via EV  wrote:
> 
> When putting a Heinemann breaker on the negative side of the battery pack
> instead of the positive side, should the connections be reversed so that the
> breaker's Load terminal is connected to the battery instead of its Line
> terminal?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bill
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