Re: [EVDL] Insurance Forensic Eng crying wolf ... (does this explain why Insurers' EV-uptake is slow?)

2016-10-31 Thread Roger Stockton via EV 
Cor van de Water wrote:

> Battery Disposal Cost:
> "When a battery-powered electric vehicle is involved in a collision,
>  the battery needs to be removed, discharged, frozen and then destroyed.
>  Getting rid of a large, lithium-ion battery can cost upwards of
> $30,000.00"
> Say what? Frozen? As in putting it into a freezer and freezing the
> battery?
> Why would anyone want to do that to a Lithium battery? Makes no sense at
> all.

Not a freezer: liquid nitrogen.  Apparently, this is actually one way that 
*damaged* Li batteries are (or have been) recycled: freeze them with liquid 
nitrogen to render them inert, then put them into a huge shredder.

It is not one of the ways mentioned in this paper, so perhaps it is no longer 
in use, or was never in widespread use?



Cheers,

Roger.



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Re: [EVDL] If it seems too good to be true...

2016-10-31 Thread Cor van de Water via EV 
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From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mike Beem via
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Sent: Monday, October 31, 2016 4:03 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Subject: [EVDL] If it seems too good to be true...

I think you all know the rest of that experiential wisdom; I was
inspired
by one of Bruce the EV-angelist's post "CA Low-Income Electrified
Rebates
Raised by $500" last Wednesday (which I read on Thursday) to do
something I
have never done before-->lease a NEW EV for myself. I have bought 3 &
leased 1 for my wife over the last 35 years, but never for myself. The
Chevy Spark I leased is probably not a good choice for many, but I seem
to
have caught a wave here as I reach the end of my 6th decade. The main
reason for lease over purchase were that we can't use the tax credit, so
the price they use to calculate took a $14000 cut, and the $2500 rebate
from the Clean Vehicle Rebate Program jumped to $4500 when I made the
application., based on our low income (I had a disability related
retirement at age 56). So, what it looks like now is that my total
monthly
cost for the lease, including insurance (which is a little more per
month
than my Escort EV) will be ~$90 per month. This does not include the
PG
charge for the electrons I purchase for charging, (which has averaged
less
than $10 a month for me for the Escort) or what I spend on installing an
EVSE. I am so used to working with a 40 mile range vehicle, that
doubling
that will make a real difference for me in extending my EV reach without
recharging in the North Bay, and making a Berkeley trip feasible for the
first time for us. I do not know, of course, whether the Escort EV will
be
the final step in a journey which this fellowship of giving, helpful
people
made possible for me to create and drive electric for ~18 years.
Tis the season to BE GRATEFUL!!
Michael B
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[EVDL] If it seems too good to be true...

2016-10-31 Thread Mike Beem via EV 
I think you all know the rest of that experiential wisdom; I was inspired
by one of Bruce the EV-angelist's post "CA Low-Income Electrified Rebates
Raised by $500" last Wednesday (which I read on Thursday) to do something I
have never done before-->lease a NEW EV for myself. I have bought 3 &
leased 1 for my wife over the last 35 years, but never for myself. The
Chevy Spark I leased is probably not a good choice for many, but I seem to
have caught a wave here as I reach the end of my 6th decade. The main
reason for lease over purchase were that we can't use the tax credit, so
the price they use to calculate took a $14000 cut, and the $2500 rebate
from the Clean Vehicle Rebate Program jumped to $4500 when I made the
application., based on our low income (I had a disability related
retirement at age 56). So, what it looks like now is that my total monthly
cost for the lease, including insurance (which is a little more per month
than my Escort EV) will be ~$90 per month. This does not include the PG
charge for the electrons I purchase for charging, (which has averaged less
than $10 a month for me for the Escort) or what I spend on installing an
EVSE. I am so used to working with a 40 mile range vehicle, that doubling
that will make a real difference for me in extending my EV reach without
recharging in the North Bay, and making a Berkeley trip feasible for the
first time for us. I do not know, of course, whether the Escort EV will be
the final step in a journey which this fellowship of giving, helpful people
made possible for me to create and drive electric for ~18 years.
Tis the season to BE GRATEFUL!!
Michael B
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[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20161031

2016-10-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Biz-Sec-Clark-4M-plan-to-boost-UK-EVs-gt-met-Jp-chiefs-to-reassure-about-Brexit-td4684270.html
EVLN: Biz_Sec_Clark £4M plan to boost UK EVs> met Jp chiefs to reassure
about Brexit
Government ups the ante ... offering UK firms subsidies of up to £20,000 for
switching their large trucks to electric vehicles. Business and energy
secretary Greg Clark ... unveils £4m plan to boost number of electric trucks
... electric vehicles on the UK's roads ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Throw-65k-Neiman-Marcus-for-Fiat-600-Jolly-looking-Fantasy-Gift-nEV-td4684269.html
EVLN: Throw $65k @Neiman Marcus for Fiat 600 Jolly looking Fantasy Gift nEV
Neiman Marcus adds $65000 Fiat 600 Jolly look-alike to Fantasy Gifts
collection
Island Car Limited doesn't say what kind of range or batteries the compacts
have, so we're assuming the vehicles are Neighborhood Electric Vehicles ...

http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Exemption-to-import-duties-has-tripled-Ukraine-Electric-car-sales-td4684268.html
EVLN: Exemption to import duties has tripled Ukraine Electric car sales
KIEV-- Sales of new electric passenger cars in Ukraine have ...

+
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Public-L3-amp-2-EVSE-declared-open-at-Kelanitissa-Sri-Lanka-gt-6-more-to-be-installed-td4684267.html
Public L3&2 EVSE declared open at Kelanitissa Sri_Lanka > (6 more to be
installed)
A charging station for electric cars was declared open at the Kelanitissa
Power Plant on Thursday October 20, under the auspices of the Minister of
Power and ...




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[EVDL] rtfm: Chevy Volt pih in long term storage

2016-10-31 Thread brucedp5 via EV 
A simple search
https://www.google.com/search?q=Chevy+Volt+long+storage
 gives:

https://www.chevrolet.com/content/dam/Chevrolet/northamerica/usa/nscwebsite/en/Home/Ownership/Manuals_and_Videos/02_pdf/2k13volt.pdf
2013 Chevrolet Volt Owner Manual
 Vehicle Care 10-23  Vehicle Storage
{ WARNING 12‐volt batteries ... 
 See Jump Starting on page 10‑69


Up to four weeks
. Plug in the high voltage battery
charge cord if temperatures will
exceed 35°C (95°F) and keep
the 12-volt battery cables
connected.

Four weeks to 12 months
. Discharge the high voltage
battery until two or three bars
remain on the battery range
indicator (Battery symbol) on the
instrument cluster.

. Do not plug in the high voltage
battery charge cord.

. Remove the black negative (−)
cable from the 12-volt battery
and attach a trickle charger to
the battery terminals or keep the
12-volt battery cables connected
and trickle charge from the
underhood remote positive (+)
and negative (−) terminals. See
Jump Starting on page 10‑69 for
the location of these terminals.

Notice: The vehicle is equipped
with an AGM/VRLA 12-volt
battery, which can be damaged by
using the incorrect type of
trickle charger. An AGM/
VRLA-compatible charger must
be used, with the appropriate
setting selected. Follow the
trickle charger manufacturer
instructions.

Reconnecting the 12-Volt Black
Negative Cable
With the 12-volt black negative (−)
cable disconnected, the hatch
cannot be opened by pressing the
hatch release button. If the hatch is
closed and latched, reopen it:

1. Use the door key to open the
driver door.
2. Manually unlock and open one
of the rear doors.
3. Lower one of the rear seatbacks.
4. Pull the load floor cover forward
to access and reconnect the
12-volt battery black negative (−)
cable.
5. After the cable has been
connected, open the hatch and
then tighten the cable.
After the battery cable is
reconnected, it is possible that the
vehicle may not operate in Electric
Mode. If this happens, the high
voltage battery may need to be
charged ...

https://www.google.com/search?q=Chevy+Volt+long+storage+site:gm-volt.com
Your question is better suited to be asked on a volt pih forum:

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?145514-Volt-Long-Term-Storage

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?258377

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php?245666-Long-term-fuel-storage-in-tanks-and-battery-coolant-top-off


IMO, the problem with chemical fuels like gasoline is as they sit and age,
they can get gummy, which could lead to problems. Thus, I suggest before you
put any chemical fuel vehicle (ice, hev, pih, etc.) into long (6+mo)
storage, if the fuel is already old (you drive mostly in Electric-only
mode), use up that old-fuel, then put in a few gallons of fresh fuel, and
drive at high speeds just long enough to run that fresh fuel into its ice.
Then (short of adding a GM recommended fuel preservative as well) you will
have the freshest fuel when you return to fire the ice up.




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Re: [EVDL] How cum zit? cid #'s added to nabble-archived URLs > fail to open links

2016-10-31 Thread EVDL Administrator via EV 
I did some further investigation of this.  

I am NOT seeing the extraneous glop on the end of the URL which Bruce 
describes in the status bar of the following browsers: Seamonkey 2.33.1, 
Firefox 45.0.2, Opera 12.16, and Midori 0.2.2.

I AM seeing the ";cid=" junk in the status bar of the following browsers: 
Chromium 27.0.1421.0 and QTWeb Portable 3.7.3.

I expect that Safari, Chrome, and newer versions of Opera (all Webkit-based 
browsers) would act like the latter two browsers.

Oddly, when I view the source of the page in ANY browser, this garbage 
doesn't appear in any of the links.  

I suspect this junk is being generated in the browser by a tracking script 
on the Nabble server. Speculation here, I admit, but maybe we normally 
wouldn't notice it but for the fact that someone at Nabble has accidentally 
introduced a bug into their script.

I'm under deadline for a project right now and can't spend any more time on 
this tonight, but I'll look into it later this week.  

In the meantime, here are a couple of things you can do.

One is to use a Mozilla based browser at the Nabble archive.  Mozilla seems 
to strip off the garbage after the semicolon.  (I think.)  Webkit browsers 
such as Chrome and Safari apparently don't.  (I think.)

Or, be safe and just don't click directly on any links in a Nabble post.  
Instead, highlight and copy the link text as displayed, open a new browser 
window or tab, and paste the link text into the URL field on the new 
window/tab.

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