[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180502
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-TMC-C-HR-cn-only-EV-raises-NiMH-pack-production-tp4690001.html
EVLN: TMC C-HR (cn-only) EV> raises NiMH pack production
Toyota unveils all-electric C-HR
April 28, 2018 Toyota has unveiled an all-electric version of its C-HR
crossover at the Beijing Motor Show. The C-HR EV is part of the Japanese
automaker's pledge to deliver 10 electric cars to the Chinese market by the
end of 2020. Arriving in 2020, the C-HR electric vehicle is only planned for
the Chinese market at the moment ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2nd-Mini-cn-only-EV-in-the-pipeline-works-tp4690002.html
EVLN: 2nd Mini (cn-only) EV in the pipeline/works
Mini Developing Second Pure Electric Car
APR 27 2018 According to Auto Express, there is a second all-electric model
in the Mini pipeline and this one is envisioned exclusively for China ...
2019 on, the Chinese government will set in place tough requirements for
manufacturers to earn New Energy Credits and this probably explains why MINI
is ...
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https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/952020/VW-Neo-ID-electric-car-price-specs-leaked-pictures-Volkswagen-Golf
VW Neo LEAKED picture - Golf-Based electric car rumoured price, specs and
design REVEALED
Apr 27, 2018 Volkswagen will launch a new range of electric cars in 2019.
These cars will be based on the I.D EV range that has been teased in
multiple different model sizes and designs over the past year. So far the
I.D, I.D Buzz camper, I.D Crozz SUV, ID Vizzion and ID R Pikes Peak have
been revealed. Of the concept cars previewed ...
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https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/ford-phasing-out-sedans-betting-on-crossover-suvs-electric-vehicles.html
Ford's Decision to Sell Only 2 Car Models in the U.S. Is Brilliant. Here's
Why
You can only get Mustangs and Crossover SUVs from here on out. 2018-04-28
I'm not the only one--most people who try electric cars say they won't ever
switch back. And legislation in several U.S. states, not to mention foreign
countries, is pushing the auto makers of the world in the electric
direction. Ford seems to see that the future is electric and promises it
will start rolling out electric vehicles in ...
https://www.incimages.com/uploaded_files/image/1940x900/getty_867139046_20001039200092801_355095.jpg
...
https://electrek.co/2018/04/26/ford-phase-out-passenger-cars-as-it-focuses-on-trucks-electric-vehicles/
Ford to phase out passenger cars as it focuses on trucks and electric
vehicles
Apr. 26th 2018
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVdiscount-from-San-Diego-SF-CA-Utilities-tp469.html
EVdiscount$: from San Diego& SF-CA Utilities
http://usa.inquirer.net/11774/pge-customers-can-get-3k-off-new-nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle
PG&E customers can get $3K off new Nissan LEAF electric vehicle
April 25, 2018
...
https://timesofsandiego.com/tech/2018/04/28/bmw-offering-1-rebates-on-electric-vehicles-to-sdge-customers/
BMW Offering $10,000 Rebates on Electric Vehicles …
2018/04/28 San Diego Gas & Electric announced …
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: TMC C-HR (cn-only) EV> raises NiMH pack production
On 1 May 2018 at 21:17, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > Last year, Toyota sold an impressive 140,000 electrified vehicles in China, > which is probably partly why it plans to raise its production capacity for > nickel-metal hydride battery units to 220,000 units in 2020. Does that suggest what I hope it does? Do you suppose Toyota is actually using NiMH batteries in EVs? Or are they just talking about their feeble little pseudo-hybrid flashlight cells? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: 2nd Mini (cn-only) EV in the pipeline/works
https://insideevs.com/mini-developing-second-pure-electric-car/
Mini Developing Second Pure Electric Car
APR 27 2018 MARK KANE
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MINI E
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MINI intends to begin production of the all-electric MINI E in late 2019,
though it may not necessarily be the first production BEV from Mini, as
there are now hints of a second EV.
Retro Electric Mini Cooper
According to Auto Express, there is a second all-electric model in the Mini
pipeline and this one is envisioned exclusively for China.
We know that from 2019 on, the Chinese government will set in place tough
requirements for manufacturers to earn New Energy Credits and this probably
explains why MINI is expected to launch a special BEV for China only.
The design and production of the car will be done with joint venture partner
Great Wall Motors.
We expect this BEV to be of the cheaper variety and probably on the lower
side in terms of range.
[© insideevs.com]
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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/mini/103337/mini-plots-second-electric-model-for-chinese-market
MINI plots second electric model for Chinese market
25 Apr, 2018
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https://www.inc.com/minda-zetlin/ford-phasing-out-sedans-betting-on-crossover-suvs-electric-vehicles.html
Ford's Decision to Sell Only 2 Car Models in the U.S. Is Brilliant. Here's
Why
You can only get Mustangs and Crossover SUVs from here on out. 2018-04-28
I'm not the only one--most people who try electric cars say they won't ever
switch back. And legislation in several U.S. states, not to mention foreign
countries, is pushing the auto makers of the world in the electric
direction. Ford seems to see that the future is electric and promises it
will start rolling out electric vehicles in ...
https://www.incimages.com/uploaded_files/image/1940x900/getty_867139046_20001039200092801_355095.jpg
https://electrek.co/2018/04/26/ford-phase-out-passenger-cars-as-it-focuses-on-trucks-electric-vehicles/
Ford to phase out passenger cars as it focuses on trucks and electric
vehicles
Apr. 26th 2018 Ford doesn't have much to show for when it comes to
all-electric vehicles aside for the Focus Electric, a compliance car
converted from the gas-powered ... if they reveal it and accumulate tons of
pre-orders, even though it's not planned to reach the market for a few more
years, it could light a fire under other automakers ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: TMC C-HR (cn-only) EV> raises NiMH pack production
https://www.ctvnews.ca/autos/toyota-unveils-all-electric-c-hr-1.3906368
Toyota unveils all-electric C-HR
April 28, 2018
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Toyota all-electric C-HR Toyota has unveiled an all-electric version of its
C-HR crossover at the Beijing Motor Show. (© Toyota)
]
Toyota has unveiled an all-electric version of its C-HR crossover at the
Beijing Motor Show. The C-HR EV is part of the Japanese automaker's pledge
to deliver 10 electric cars to the Chinese market by the end of 2020.
Arriving in 2020, the C-HR electric vehicle is only planned for the Chinese
market at the moment. It was unveiled with two new versions of Corolla and
Levin plug-in hybrid saloons that will land in 2019.
These models represent part of a very significant commitment to the Chinese
market by Toyota, and all three will see their electric motors, batteries,
inverters and "other core technologies" for the electrification of vehicles
produced locally.
[image] Toyota's Levin plug-in hybrid saloons will land in 2019. (© Toyota)
In 2020 the carmaker will also be opening a new battery testing facility in
China, as well as strengthening its other research and development and
production facilities in the region.
Last year, Toyota sold an impressive 140,000 electrified vehicles in China,
which is probably partly why it plans to raise its production capacity for
nickel-metal hydride battery units to 220,000 units in 2020.
It's quite a departure for a company that said not long ago that it didn't
see a future in the short term for all-electric cars, and would focus on
hybrids and more efficient petrol engines.
This conversion to the electric cause isn't a completely voluntary move,
though, as the Chinese government is imposing a requirement that a certain
percentage of a car brand's sales in the country have to be electric.
No details about the range and performance of the C-HR EV have been
released, but it will be the first full-EV on the company's TNGA platform
which also underpins the Prius hybrid and the upcoming RAV4. The
architecture will also be used for future Lexus models, including the
next-generation CT.
Toyota revealed recently that it's working on making solid-state batteries
-- allow more energy to be stored than their lithium-ion equivalents --
commercially viable for vehicles by the early 2020s. If successful, this
could be a gamechanger for electric vehicles.
[© 2018 Bell Media]
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NiMH Nickel–metal hydride battery
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https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Electric-cars-in-China/Toyota-pushes-forward-launch-of-electric-vehicle-in-China
Toyota pushes forward launch of electric vehicle in China
April 28, 2018 BEIJING ... seen as lagging on commercialization of electric
cars and hopes to catch up with the fully electric ix4 sport utility vehicle
from partner Guangzhou Automobile Group (GAC). Sales will be handled by
joint venture GAC Toyota Motor. The SUV will carry GAC's name, not the
Toyota brand ... Toyota plans to sell its own electric vehicles in China in
2020 with production handled by GAC and FAW Group ...
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https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/952020/VW-Neo-ID-electric-car-price-specs-leaked-pictures-Volkswagen-Golf
VW Neo LEAKED picture - Golf-Based electric car rumoured price, specs and
design REVEALED
Apr 27, 2018 Volkswagen will launch a new range of electric cars in 2019.
These cars will be based on the I.D EV range that has been teased in
multiple different model sizes and designs over the past year. So far the
I.D, I.D Buzz camper, I.D Crozz SUV, ID Vizzion and ID R Pikes Peak have
been revealed. Of the concept cars previewed ...
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[EVDL] EVdiscount$: from San Diego& SF-CA Utilities
https://www.oilandgas360.com/pge-customers-eligible-to-save-3000-on-a-new-nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle/
PG&E Customers Eligible to Save $3,000 on a New Nissan LEAF Electric Vehicle
April 24, 2018 SAN FRANCISCO Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E) today
announced that PG&E customers can save $3,000 on the purchase of a new 2018
Nissan LEAF ... (EV). This offer adds to existing state and federal
discounts available to customers in California to help support the state's
clean transportation goal of having five million zero-emission vehicles on
the road by 2030.
http://usa.inquirer.net/11774/pge-customers-can-get-3k-off-new-nissan-leaf-electric-vehicle
PG&E customers can get $3K off new Nissan LEAF electric vehicle
April 25, 2018 PG&E's Clean Fuel Rebate:PG&E residential, electric
customers who are EV drivers can apply for the company's one-time $500 Clean
Fuel Rebate. The rebate is part ofCalifornia's statewide Low Carbon Fuel
Standardinitiative, which aims to reduce transportation-related greenhouse
gas emissions by encouraging the ...
https://www.10news.com/news/sdge-offers-electric-vehicle-discounts-on-bmw-nissan
SDG&E offers electric vehicle discounts on BMW, Nissan
Apr 24, 2018 SAN DIEGO (KGTV) - Two electric vehicle automakers are
offering purchase discounts to customers of San Diego Gas & Electric.
Customers who buy a new BMW i3 and BMW i3s are eligible for $10,000 off
through July, SDG&E said Tuesday. A discount of $3,000 is available for a
new Nissan LEAF purchased by the end of ...
https://timesofsandiego.com/tech/2018/04/28/bmw-offering-1-rebates-on-electric-vehicles-to-sdge-customers/
BMW Offering $10,000 Rebates on Electric Vehicles …
2018/04/28 San Diego Gas & Electric announced …
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: ID/authentication-sys in EV's charging port (v)
On 1 May 2018 at 20:14, brucedp5 via EV wrote: > After plugging the charging connector > into the vehicle, a secure, encrypted data connection is established. Over > that, the identity of the car can be established and the charging begun, > without needing any active involvement by the driver. I sure hope there's some way for you, the owner, to say "Not so fast." Otherwise, when the bad guy steals your EV, he won't have to worry about not having your wallet and/or smartphone when he pulls up to a charging station. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: EV-newswire posts for 20180501
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Brutal-Tesla-3-Teardown-Analysis-dumbfounded-sloppiness-v-tp4689995.html
EVLN: Brutal Tesla-3 Teardown Analysis> dumbfounded,sloppiness + (v)
Tesla Week: Brutal Model 3 Teardown Analysis, Driverless Model S ...
Apr 29, 2018 ... The Model 3 was meticulously reduced to spare parts ...
garnering a lot of headlines ... "We are shocked by the advanced integration
and advanced manufacturing techniques" ... dumbfounded by ... the mostly
steel skeleton ... sloppily joined together using a potpourri of robotic
welding techniques ... explain the Model 3's ill-fitting body panels ...
https://thumbor.forbes.com/thumbor/960x0/https%3A%2F%2Fblogs-images.forbes.com%2Fjoannmuller%2Ffiles%2F2018%2F04%2FMunro-flanges-e1524687876166.jpg
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ID-authentication-sys-in-EV-s-charging-port-v-tp4689996.html
EVLN: ID/authentication-sys in EV's charging port (v)
EV charging is about to get a whole lot less frustrating
Apr 27, 2018 Charging up an electric car looks set to get a whole lot
easier, with a new Plug&Charge system promising to do away with membership
cards, apps …
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https://www.electrive.com/2018/04/24/jaguar-i-pace-receives-royal-approval/
Jaguar I-Pace receives royal approval
Apr 24, 2018 None other than Prince Charles has taken a spin in Jaguar's
first and only electric car, the I-Pace. The EV spearheaded a vehicle
procession from Buckingham Palace to St James's Palace for a meeting with UK
Prime Minister Theresa May yesterday. This is not the first time the
King-in-Waiting has showed some common ...
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https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/arizona-bill-would-raise-registration-fees-for-electric-car-owners
Arizona bill would raise registration fees for electric car owners
Apr 24, 2018 PHOENIX - "Some think it’s just terrible and we should never
do it, and others like me say wait a minute, we’re already getting heck of a
deal," said Jim Stack with ...
con-EV: Shell high-efficency cross-country super-he-semi-truck
https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1116462_shell-airflow-starship-semi-truck-aims-for-fuel-economy-record
Shell Airflow Starship semi truck aims for fuel-economy record
Apr 29, 2018 ... There has been a lot of effort recently to build electric
semi trucks, including those from Nikola, Tesla, Daimler, Thor, and others.
Electric trucks, however, are designed more for short-haul operations ...
trailer is covered in 5,000 kw of solar panels ...
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https://youtu.be/iIP2UrzFkH8
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVfire-EV-ashes-i3-touched-off-1acre-LA-CA-brush-fire-tp4689978.html
EVfire: (EV= ashes)> i3 touched off 1acre LA-CA brush fire
Fire Erupts On San Gabriel Valley Freeway
Apr 28, 2018 DIAMOND BAR, CA -- An electric vehicle caught fire on the side
of the Orange (57) Freeway south of Diamond Bar Saturday, touching off a
one-acre brush fire that was quickly extinguished, authorities said.
Witnesses reported the vehicle fire at 1:11 p.m. on the southbound Orange
Freeway south of Brea Canyon Road ...
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Re: [EVDL] Hazem's 108V PbSO4 pack change: Zivan charger setting ...
On 1 May 2018 at 21:52, EVDL Administrator via EV wrote: > For example, the CR-205 would be > > 105/60 * 75 * 6 = 788Wh @ 75a / 2 (50%DOD) = 394Wh * 1050 cycles = 394 kWh > > Repeating the math for the CR-220, CR-235, and CR-260 we get 412 kWh, 469 kWh, > and 563 kWh respectively. > > So now we can work out the cost per kWh shifted, and also estimate average > cost per mile, assuming your car uses a typical 250 Wh/mi. > > CR-205 = 24.1 cents per kWh, 6 cents per mile > CR-220 = 29.1 cents per kWh, 7.3 cents per mile > CR-235 = 27.7 cents per kWh, 6.9 cents per mile > CR-260 = 27.9 cents per kWh, 7 cents per mile Oops, it appears that I accidentally juggled some figures when I added the CR-260 to the comparison as an afterthought. Let's try again. CR-205: (105/60) * 75 * 6 / 2 * 1050 = 413kWh => 23.0 cents/kWh CR-220: (110/60) * 75 * 6 / 2 * 1200 = 495kWh => 24.2 cents/kWh CR-235: (125/60) * 75 * 6 / 2 * 1200 = 563kWh => 23.1 cents/kWh CR-260: (150/60) * 75 * 6 / 2 * 1200 = 675kWh => 23.3 cents/kWh Interesting how close those bottom line figures are, no? David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVLN: ID/authentication-sys in EV's charging port (v)
https://www.slashgear.com/electric-car-charging-plugandcharge-hubject-daimler-smart-eq-fortwo-27528763/
EV charging is about to get a whole lot less frustrating
Apr 27, 2018 Chris Davies
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Smart EQ Fortwo ed
video
https://youtu.be/JktVPhIw5bM
Hubject | Plug&Charge via ISO 15118
]
Charging up an electric car looks set to get a whole lot easier, with a new
Plug&Charge system promising to do away with membership cards, apps, or
swiping a credit card. The system turns the electric charging socket on the
EV itself into an authentication system, enabling it to communicate with the
charger it’s plugged into.
Currently, pulling your electric vehicle up to a charger can be a recipe for
a rapid headache. With multiple charging networks in operation, each with
their own way of authenticating membership and payment method, it’s no
surprise that EV drivers often have a keychain full of RFID cards and a
folder full of apps on their smartphone, just to get the juice flowing.
Plug&Charge would be very different. After plugging the charging connector
into the vehicle, a secure, encrypted data connection is established. Over
that, the identity of the car can be established and the charging begun,
without needing any active involvement by the driver.
It’s been developed by German company Hubject, which has been running a
pilot scheme of the technology. Authentication can take place even if the
car and charger are offline, the company says.
Hubject may not be a household name, but its shareholders certainly are.
Among the roster is BMW Group, Mercedes-Benz and Smart parent Daimler, and
Volkswagen Group, which includes VW, Audi, Porsche, and others. Bosch is on
the list too, one of the major tier 1 automotive parts suppliers worldwide.
At the heart of Plug&Charge is ISO 15118, the international standard for
communications between electric vehicles – whether plug-in hybrid or
entirely battery-powered – and the grid. That’s applicable not only for
charging the car from the grid, but bi-directionally too: feeding power from
the car, back into the electricity infrastructure. Although published in its
current form back in 2013, it’s taken until now for a charging system to
actually be developed that’s compliant with the standard.
Importantly, while any Hubject partner will be free to use Plug&Charge
technology, automakers and charger companies won’t need to be shareholders
in order to be compatible. Since ISO 15118 is an international standard,
simply complying with that is enough. That won’t do away with the headache
of finding your EV of choice doesn’t have the same port as the next public
charger you pull up at, but it’s certainly one less frustration.
For the moment, only one EV actually offers Plug&Charge support. That’s the
Smart EQ Fortwo, Daimler’s two-seater all-electric city car. It’s the
vehicle Daimler and Hubject used to develop the system, indeed. Smart had
already confirmed that, as of this year, it’ll be the only model the company
offers in the US and Canada, with the gasoline Fortwo retired.
It seems likely, though, that Mercedes adopt the technology for all its
future EVs under the umbrella “EQ” brand, and we can’t see other Hubject
shareholders being left out. Down the line, the ISO 15118 standard paves the
way for a much smarter use of the grid, too, with battery-electric vehicles
being used to intelligently feed power into the infrastructure when
required, in addition to only charging up when rates are at their lowest.
[© slashgear.com]
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https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/smart-eq-electric-drive/
Smart Electric Drive gets 'EQ' rebrand
Mar 5, 2018 - A cure for ED: Smart will now call this the EQ ForTwo Cabrio,
putting it in the larger Mercedes-Benz EQ family of electric vehicles.
Mercedes-Benz USA ... Mercedes ... bring a production-ready EQ model to
Geneva ... Smart is rebranding ...
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https://www.abc15.com/news/region-phoenix-metro/central-phoenix/arizona-bill-would-raise-registration-fees-for-electric-car-owners
Arizona bill would raise registration fees for electric car owners
Apr 24, 2018 PHOENIX - "Some think it’s just terrible and we should never
do it, and others like me say wait a minute, we’re already getting heck of a
deal," said Jim Stack with ...
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[EVDL] EVLN: Brutal Tesla-3 Teardown Analysis> dumbfounded, sloppiness + (v)
https://www.forbes.com/sites/brookecrothers/2018/04/29/tesla-week-brutal-model-3-teardown-analysis-driverless-model-s-harley-davidson-goes-electric/#68e9f2243fce Tesla Week: Brutal Model 3 Teardown Analysis, Driverless Model S, Harley Davidson Goes Electric Apr 29, 2018 Brooke Crothers , Contributor [image https://blogs-images.forbes.com/brookecrothers/files/2018/04/model-3-century-city-04-18-edit-1200x900.jpg Model 3 in Century City, Los Angeles showroom, April 2018. Credit: Brooke Crothers video https://youtu.be/sXls4cdEv7c Tesla Model S driver caught sleeping at the wheel while on Autopilot - Electrek ] The Model 3 was meticulously reduced to spare parts this week, garnering a lot of headlines. Other news: a "driverless" Model S and more worries about Elon Musk's attention span. (For the week ending April 29, 2018) How do you define Autopilot? Remember this video (below) of a Model S driver taking a power nap in traffic? Well, this week we have news from the U.K. of a driver trying to hop over and get some quality time in the passenger seat. Bhavesh Patel...switched on the autopilot function and swapped to the passenger seat for maximum comfort. After kicking up his feet and putting his hands behind his head, he left both the steering wheel and the foot controls entirely neglected. --Tesla Driver Banned From Highway After Being Caught In The Passenger Seat, Jalopnik, April 27, 2018 [ https://jalopnik.com/tesla-driver-banned-from-highway-after-being-caught-in-1825622869 ]. Model 3 teardown: the results of a 6,000 man hour study of the Model 3 [ https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/04/25/teslas-brilliance-and-inexperience-revealed-in-benchmarking-study-of-model-3/#659fde7667c3 ] were disclosed this week, evincing both its brilliance and lack thereof. "We are shocked by the advanced integration and advanced manufacturing techniques" used in the electronic control center, Chief Executive Sandy Munro told members of the Automotive Press Association on Wednesday, Forbes reported this week. "This is the brilliance of the Tesla Model 3," he said. Yet Munro was dumbfounded by other aspects of the vehicle, particularly the mostly steel skeleton...which was sloppily joined together using a potpourri of robotic welding techniques, helping to explain the Model 3's ill-fitting body panels. --Tesla's Simultaneous Brilliance And Incompetence Revealed In Teardown Of Model 3, Forbes, April 25, 2018 [ https://www.forbes.com/sites/joannmuller/2018/04/25/teslas-brilliance-and-inexperience-revealed-in-benchmarking-study-of-model-3/#1c2abb2e67c3 ]. And this report from Motor Trend said: The 2,170 cylindrical Panasonic cells in three modules are assembled with remarkable robotic precision. Each individual cell is glued to another and to the cooling channels. A unique low-heat ultrasonic aluminum wire-bonding process connects each cell to the cell-voltage balancing circuitry, which is also exceptionally precise—Munro measured a mere 0.2 millivolt variance between cells. 'That’s staggeringly close,' Munro says, 'far beyond what anybody else can do.' --Tesla Model 3 Teardown: deconstructed, Motor Trend, April 25, 2018 [ http://www.motortrend.com/news/tesla-model-3-teardown-deconstructed-3/ ]. Elon Musk overextended: It's a concern that crops up often and CNBC this week gave a rundown of the litany of projects that Musk has his hands in. He was juggling SpaceX, Tesla, SolarCity and the Hyperloop project...Toward the end of 2015, he co-founded a research group called OpenAI... In 2016, Musk founded Neuralink...and the Boring Company... That was also the year Tesla made a bid for SolarCity. The deal was done by early 2017. So by then, Musk had a say in seven major projects. --Elon Musk has a lot going on, and it may be coming at the expense of Tesla, CNBC, April 26, 2018 [ https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/26/elon-musks-big-ambitions-may-be-killing-tesla.html ] ... [© forbes.com] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-explains-model-3-build-munro-teardown-analysis/ Tesla explains Model 3 build in response to Munro's teardown analysis April 28, 2018 During his first video of the vehicle, Munro ... took ... issue with the way the Model 3 was assembled ... was “terrible” in terms of build quality, and several of its design elements, such its lack of ... latches on the rear doors ... Tesla Model 3: Inside & Out - Autoline After Hours 417 ... https://youtu.be/CpCrkO1x-Qo https://cleantechnica.com/2018/04/29/munro-tesla-model-3-teardown-report-provokes-tesla/ Munro Tesla Model 3 Teardown Report Provokes Tesla April 29th, 2018 While there's always room for refinement of cost and mass, which we are already improving, electric cars have unique safety requirements to prevent intrusion into the battery, and Model 3 was also designed to meet the latest small overlap front crash requirements that other reference vehicles may not have. “We stand ... + https://www.electriv
Re: [EVDL] Hazem's 108V PbSO4 pack change: Zivan charger setting ...
On 1 May 2018 at 21:02, Hazem Sedra via EV wrote: > Crown CR 205 which is comparable to Trojans in quality will cost me $94.99/bat > X 18=$1709.82. At Deepcyclebatterystore.com, I found prices and spec sheets for Crown batteries. The spec sheets are more complete than some I've seen. They give cycle life estimates at 100%, 50%, 40%, and 20% DOD. (I wish they'd include 80%.) CR-205: 205ah at C20, 105 minutes at 75a, 1050 cycles @ 50% DOD, $95 CR-220: 220ah at C20, 110 minutes at 75a, 1200 cycles @ 50% DOD, $120 CR-235: 235ah at C20, 125 minutes at 75a, 1200 cycles @ 50% DOD, $130 CR-260, 260ah at C20, 150 minutes at 75a, 1200 cycles @ 50% DOD, $157 With these data, we can compare the cost per kWh of use of their different models. First we compute the total kWh shifted by the batteries over their estimated lifetimes. We use the 75a reserve capacity since 75a is reasonably close to an average EV driving current (unless you're a real leadfoot). For example, the CR-205 would be 105/60 * 75 * 6 = 788Wh @ 75a / 2 (50%DOD) = 394Wh * 1050 cycles = 394 kWh Repeating the math for the CR-220, CR-235, and CR-260 we get 412 kWh, 469 kWh, and 563 kWh respectively. So now we can work out the cost per kWh shifted, and also estimate average cost per mile, assuming your car uses a typical 250 Wh/mi. CR-205 = 24.1 cents per kWh, 6 cents per mile CR-220 = 29.1 cents per kWh, 7.3 cents per mile CR-235 = 27.7 cents per kWh, 6.9 cents per mile CR-260 = 27.9 cents per kWh, 7 cents per mile When you look at the real life cost per mile, the results may not be exactly congruent to these numbers. For equivalent driving, the lower capacity battery will work harder which can shorten its cycle life. On the other hand, it's also pushing around a slightly ligher car. In a 3000lb car, the CR-205 will make the car 72lb (2.4%) lighter compared to a pack of CR-220s, and 126lb (4.2%) lighter compared to one with a pack of CR- 260s. I don't think it will make very much difference, but theoretically the peak acceleration currents could be slightly lower, contributing to slighly longer battery cycle life. All that said, if Crown's cycle life estimates are accurate across the different battery models, or at least similarly inaccurate :-), this gives you a good idea where the overall value lies within this one battery brand. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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One thing to consider when you downgrade battery capacity while the vehicle's daily mission stays the same: your battery cycle life will decrease, because you'll be using a greater percentage of its capacity each day. I don't know what salvaged or new Leaf and Volt batteries go for, but IIRC the last time I checked, the best price I found for bare Chinese lithium iron phosphate cells was about $1.25 per amp hour. Thus a 100 amp hour, 3.2v cell would cost $125 plus shipping. A 34 cell, 108v battery would be something over $4200. Meanwhile, a new 108v lead battery will cost between $1400 and $2400, depending on brand, capacity, and your location. Most likely you'll be able to pick it up locally, so you won't have to pay to have it shipped. Since the LiFePo4 battery is apt to last at least 3 times as long as lead, it would seem that you're money ahead with lithium. This is what the several lithium proponents here on the EVDL will argue, quite persuasively, sometimes even rather stridently. But once you've bought your new lithium cells, youi're not done. You still have to pay for: 1. Shipping. This can add hundreds of dollars, and possibly weeks of waiting, to the lithium price. 2. BMS. You have to choose from different types. Which is best? The EVDL should be able to help.. 3. Probably a new charger. 4. Rebuilding or modifying your existing battery boxes or racks to accommodate the different battery shape and size. 5. Modifying the car's suspension, which is (or should be) tuned to a 1200lb lead battery. 6. Your own time and labor, or someone else's, studying how to do the upgrade, and installing it. OTOH, if you buy new lead batteries, it's way simpler. You remove the old ones and take them to the battery dealer as cores, pick the new ones up, bring them home, drop them in, connect them, and away you go. Here's an interesting lead vs lithium comparison written by US Battery, who of course want to defend their lead batteries: http://usbattery.com/lithium-vs-flooded-lead-acid-batteries/ I have some problems with it because they're trying to argue that three 12v, 150ah batteries will deliver 750 cycles. IMO that's way too optimistic. However, six USBMC 2200s are much more likely to return those 750 cycles with good care, and they're only about 10% more than the price USBMC give for the three 12v batteries. So even if you increase their bottom line cost per kWh for lead to 13 cents, and assume that lithiums aren't as expensive as USBMC claim, lead still costs about half as much per kWh delivered. Don't get me wrong, lithium has significant benefits, including lower weight, better range, and a flatter voltage curve on discharge. But lead batteries are still the cost-per-mile champs, though their margin has narrowed over the years. The bottom line is that if lead batteries meet your vehicle mission needs, and you've been satisfied with them, I don't see any particular reason for you to change to lithium. That said, I don't think I'd recommend downgrading your capacity, for the reason I gave above. Let us know how it goes. David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
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Re: [EVDL] Hazem's 108V PbSO4 pack change: Zivan charger setting ...
nd equipment is protected from any unintended accidents ...
GreenLiFE Batteries are the safest and easiest 12v drop in replacement
battery on the market to use. *Recommend a GreenLiFE Lithium specific
charger ...
November 8, 2017 Question: Can i use this in direct replacement of my two
Trojan 6volts on our 2015 Keystone travel trailer, using the same 3stage
built in rv converter? ?
Answer: Yes! It is designed as a drop in replacement for RV 6 volt and 12v
Battery bank systems
http://batterywholesaleinc.com/golfcart.php
https://www.wholesalebatteriesdirect.com/crown-deep-cycle-solar-batteries-wet/79044-crown-cr-205-cr-205-6-volt-205-ah-gc2-deep-cycle-wet-solar-battery.html
Crown CR-205 6volt 205ah GC2 Deep Cycle Wet Price: $122.95
http://batterywholesaleinc.com/locations.php
Battery Wholesale Inc. 1-800-777-2243
(1.5hr from 56701) 750 Paul Bunyan Dr NW, Bemidji, MN 56601
(good for Lee) 8250 Delta Cir, St Joseph, MN 56374
http://usbattery.com/products/6-volt-batteries/
https://www.usbatterydealers.com/locations-results/?q=&dlp=/&searchInput=56701
(US Battery dealer 2hrs from 76701)
http://www.evalbum.com/2695
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Nice gesture? Really! Let's see.. how many charging stations has any other car manufacturer installed?I think Nissan and BMW funded some EVGO sites but they charge to use theirs. headlines: GM suggests Congress fund EV charging, Toyota asks for hydrogen fueling support GM Won't Fund CCS Fast-Charging Sites For 2017 Chevy Bolt EV From: Steves via EV To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Steves Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2018 8:29 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging station density Montreal has also been rapidly expanding its system - Circuit électrique. Best part of it is, in places that it’s normally hard to find parking, there is usually an EV charging space open and charging cost is cheaper than the parking rate in most areas! In the US the Tesla stations seen pretty widespread- too bad they didn’t add at least one non-Tesla charger at each one. Would have been a nice gesture. -Steve > On May 1, 2018, at 2:57 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > For those of you living in rural USA or other hinterland > where there is no public charger within range of your EV, > don't be jealous of the coastal areas where you can actually > find a handful of chargers within reach - because I was shocked > (pun unintended) to see the density of charging locations in > for example The Netherlands, where it is impossible to be more > than a few miles away from several public chargers at all times. > Just one largish city like Amsterdam is home to 4,045 public > charging locations - totally amazing. > I was already suspecting a high density when I noticed that in > the sleepy suburb where some of my family resides, there were > several public charging locations put in next to parking stations > along strip malls and such, as well as noticing a regular office > building complex getting more and more plug in poles next to more and > more of the existing parking spaces, as well as seeing them being > used all the time... > Here a map of charging locations in The Netherlands, including a link > to locations elsewhere in Europe: > https://nederlandelektrisch.nl/opladen/waar-kan-ik-laden-in-nederland > Cor. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180501/85e72f2e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Hazem's 108V PbSO4 pack change: Zivan charger setting ...
% Please correct my assumptions/guesses. See links below for what I am
yakking about. I am not recommending those brands/companies, just offering
them for people to explore. I recommend Hazem create a free EValbum.com
listing, so he can refer to it so we can help him better in the future.
I agree with BillD, you don't need to change/adjust the zivan charger. Since
the old 108VDC PbSO4 pack lasted 9yrs, the charge must already be set
correctly.
* ?What model & input AC voltage zivan charger do you have: ng1, ng3, ng5?
Hazem is doing the reverse of what I did when I bought a second EV, an 108V
Escort stawgn, to gather charging data, and then sell at cost (cheap) so as
to keep it in the SF bay area.
Many years ago, I bought the Green Motor works (?defunct?) Escort EV with a
spent/dead T-105 pack (62lb 115min@75A)
http://www.trojanbattery.com/product/t-105/
I paid Clare Bell
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/template/NamlServlet.jtp?macro=search_page&node=413529&query=Clare+Bell&sort=date
to remove the T-105s, clean that battery area and cables, and replace the
pack with US-125s (66lb 140min@75A)
http://usbattery.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/usb_125_data_sheet_2017HR.pdf
That changed the EV from a r:~30mi EV to a r:~42mi EV at a steady 55mph
speed.
Looking at the batteries Hazem has (CR-220 60lb 110min@75A)
https://www.solar-electric.com/lib/wind-sun/Crown-CR-220-specs.pdf
and is going to (CR-205 56lb 105min@75A)
https://www.thesolarbiz.com/media/catalog/product/c/r/CR-205-Data-Sheet.pdf
I will assume Hazem knows he will have 93% of the range he had before
(calculation assumption based on 56/60lb of lead - Ah specs are usually over
rated, but if you believe them then Hazem would have 95% of the range he had
before).
Anyone else reading this and thinking of a pack change show also do this
home/leg-work .
The idea of switching to li-ion is valid if that fits Hazem's EV driving
needs.
https://www.thesolarbiz.com/crown-cr-220-group-gc2-6v-220-ah-battery.html
Crown CR-220 Group GC2 6V 220 AH Battery Price: $119.97 60lb
http://cdn2.hubspot.net/hubfs/435823/CROWN1-Brochure-Web-SPECS-V2.pdf
crown battery data sheet
6CRV220 105min@75A
https://www.thesolarbiz.com/crown-cr-205-group-gc2-6v-205-ah-battery.html
Crown CR-205 Group GC2 6V 205 AH Battery Price: $107.97 56lb
I will assume he lives near zip code 76701. Using plugshare.com there is no
public EVSE nearby. So, it is likely Hazem has been happy for the last 9yrs
and will continue to be happy with a low range PbSO4 conversion EV that he
charges at home and or work site(s).
So, Hazem has no need to upgrade to li-ion until there is a contiguous
public EVSE chain to let him want more range. I added some li-ion drop in
battery links for people to explore. Though they say they are drop in,
besides the high cost of those li-ion, the charge would need to be changed
for li-ion charging.
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{links:
https://www.thesolarbiz.com/batteries.html#crown_batteries
(scroll half way down to find crown batteries)
Crown CR-205 Group GC2 6V 205 AH Battery
Made in the USA - No Core Charges - CRO-06205 Price: $107.97
Crown CR-220 Group GC2 6V 220 AH Battery
CRO-06220 Price: $119.97
https://www.thesolarbiz.com/batteries/simpliphi-lithium-battery-phi-2-6-24v-102-4ah.html
SimpliPhi Lithium Battery PHI 2.7 24V 105AH
PHI-26024 Price: $2,723.97
... Drop in replacement for lead acid ...
https://www.amazon.com/GreenLiFE-Battery-GL260-260AH-Lithium/dp/B01MR87KUI/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_263_img_0/144-8339467-1162829?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=ESC7CQZ6TQ64J90SX1MH
GreenLiFE Battery GL260 - 260AH 12V Lithium Ion Battery
Price: $2,499.99 + $54.49 shipping
Built in BMS (Battery Management System) makes sure that your investment in
the battery and equipment is protected from any unintended accidents ...
GreenLiFE Batteries are the safest and easiest 12v drop in replacement
battery on the market to use. *Recommend a GreenLiFE Lithium specific
charger ...
November 8, 2017 Question: Can i use this in direct replacement of my two
Trojan 6volts on our 2015 Keystone travel trailer, using the same 3stage
built in rv converter? ?
Answer: Yes! It is designed as a drop in replacement for RV 6 volt and 12v
Battery bank systems
http://batterywholesaleinc.com/golfcart.php
https://www.wholesalebatteriesdirect.com/crown-deep-cycle-solar-batteries-wet/79044-crown-cr-205-cr-205-6-volt-205-ah-gc2-deep-cycle-wet-solar-battery.html
Crown CR-205 6volt 205ah GC2 Deep Cycle Wet Price: $122.95
http://batterywholesaleinc.com/locations.php
Battery Wholesale Inc. 1-800-777-2243
(1.5hr from 56701) 750 Paul Bunyan Dr NW, Bemidji, MN 56601
(good for Lee) 8250 Delta Cir, St Joseph, MN 56374
http://usbattery.com/products/6-volt-batteries/
https://www.usbatterydealers.com/locations-results/?q=&dlp=/&searchInput=56701
(US Battery dealer 2hrs from 76701)
http://www.evalbum.com/2695
108V Escort con
Re: [EVDL] Charging station density
Well, to be clear, whether you wish to drive for 2 hours or 4, you'll need density of at least 100 miles. Probably more like 40-50 miles. After all, there are other factors besides driving exactly 2 hours that determine where you may want to stop. Some density is needed. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Jay Summet via EV" To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: "Jay Summet" Sent: 01-May-18 7:55:16 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging station density On 05/01/2018 10:05 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: you want to drive for 4 hours without a major stop, Some people would want this, but I'd prefer to stop for half the time every two hours. I realize some people will want to stop more often and do 10 minute opportunity charges. As much as I respect that, I think that expecting private enterprise to cater to that tiny segment of the overall population, or spending large amounts of public funds to that end, is not realistic. Having DF Fast Chargers every 100 miles instead of every 200 miles is a nice medium, in that it allows people to stop every 2 hours if they wish, (plus supports 40 kWh battery pack cars, instead of requiring every car to have an 80 kWh pack). And it provides some redundancy for "long range drivers". If one DC Fast charger is down (or in use) your 80 kWh battery pack car could just drive on to the next one. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging station density
On 05/01/2018 10:05 AM, Peri Hartman via EV wrote: you want to drive for 4 hours without a major stop, Some people would want this, but I'd prefer to stop for half the time every two hours. I realize some people will want to stop more often and do 10 minute opportunity charges. As much as I respect that, I think that expecting private enterprise to cater to that tiny segment of the overall population, or spending large amounts of public funds to that end, is not realistic. Having DF Fast Chargers every 100 miles instead of every 200 miles is a nice medium, in that it allows people to stop every 2 hours if they wish, (plus supports 40 kWh battery pack cars, instead of requiring every car to have an 80 kWh pack). And it provides some redundancy for "long range drivers". If one DC Fast charger is down (or in use) your 80 kWh battery pack car could just drive on to the next one. Jay ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging station density
Is it density or speed? Or both? I believe speed will become the dominant concern. If you can go about 3 miles per kW on the freeway and you want to drive for 4 hours without a major stop, what kind of ESVE do you need? Let's say your average speed is 60mph. 60 * 4 = 240 miles 240 / 3 = 80kWh Now, how long do you want to stop? Long enough to use the restroom, stretch, maybe get a snack. 15 minutes, or .25 hours. 80 / .25 = 320kW That's a pretty hefty ESVE. And, today, not many people have an 80kWh battery. (Never mind that you can't charge to 100% at full speed.) But I strongly think this is what the general public is going to demand. Right now, putting in 50kW ESVEs along highways and freeways is a waste. We should be looking at a minimum of 100kW. At least that would make that 80kWh charge take about 50 minutes. Tolerable if you can fit in an extended break. In urban areas, where people might buy an EV without a place to charge at home, some density will be needed. But along highways and freeways, not too much. If you can drive 240 miles, you don't need an ESVE every 20 miles. I realize some people will want to stop more often and do 10 minute opportunity charges. As much as I respect that, I think that expecting private enterprise to cater to that tiny segment of the overall population, or spending large amounts of public funds to that end, is not realistic. Peri -- Original Message -- From: "Steves via EV" To: "Electric Vehicle Discussion List" Cc: "Steves" Sent: 01-May-18 3:12:15 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Charging station density Montreal has also been rapidly expanding its system - Circuit électrique. Best part of it is, in places that it’s normally hard to find parking, there is usually an EV charging space open and charging cost is cheaper than the parking rate in most areas! In the US the Tesla stations seen pretty widespread- too bad they didn’t add at least one non-Tesla charger at each one. Would have been a nice gesture. -Steve On May 1, 2018, at 2:57 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: For those of you living in rural USA or other hinterland where there is no public charger within range of your EV, don't be jealous of the coastal areas where you can actually find a handful of chargers within reach - because I was shocked (pun unintended) to see the density of charging locations in for example The Netherlands, where it is impossible to be more than a few miles away from several public chargers at all times. Just one largish city like Amsterdam is home to 4,045 public charging locations - totally amazing. I was already suspecting a high density when I noticed that in the sleepy suburb where some of my family resides, there were several public charging locations put in next to parking stations along strip malls and such, as well as noticing a regular office building complex getting more and more plug in poles next to more and more of the existing parking spaces, as well as seeing them being used all the time... Here a map of charging locations in The Netherlands, including a link to locations elsewhere in Europe: https://nederlandelektrisch.nl/opladen/waar-kan-ik-laden-in-nederland Cor. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Charging station density
Montreal has also been rapidly expanding its system - Circuit électrique. Best part of it is, in places that it’s normally hard to find parking, there is usually an EV charging space open and charging cost is cheaper than the parking rate in most areas! In the US the Tesla stations seen pretty widespread- too bad they didn’t add at least one non-Tesla charger at each one. Would have been a nice gesture. -Steve > On May 1, 2018, at 2:57 AM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > > For those of you living in rural USA or other hinterland > where there is no public charger within range of your EV, > don't be jealous of the coastal areas where you can actually > find a handful of chargers within reach - because I was shocked > (pun unintended) to see the density of charging locations in > for example The Netherlands, where it is impossible to be more > than a few miles away from several public chargers at all times. > Just one largish city like Amsterdam is home to 4,045 public > charging locations - totally amazing. > I was already suspecting a high density when I noticed that in > the sleepy suburb where some of my family resides, there were > several public charging locations put in next to parking stations > along strip malls and such, as well as noticing a regular office > building complex getting more and more plug in poles next to more and > more of the existing parking spaces, as well as seeing them being > used all the time... > Here a map of charging locations in The Netherlands, including a link > to locations elsewhere in Europe: > https://nederlandelektrisch.nl/opladen/waar-kan-ik-laden-in-nederland > Cor. > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
