Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Cor van de Water, after you installed the xfmr, where did you get the ground? From: EV on behalf of Cor van de Water via EV Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 5:29 PM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Cor van de Water Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox Paul, I will ask around about this. I had a similar problem (not JuiceBox related) where my US Electricar S10 had internal GFCI detection on the incoming AC line. It usually worked on 110V and it probably also should work on a residential 240V which is 2 balanced 120V legs, but the place where I wanted to charge at 240V had only commercial 480V 3-phase available anywhere near the parking lot. So, I took one leg of that (277V) which was powering the light in the parking lot on a timer, and I attached a step-down transformer which was an industrial dry type transformer that used to have 240V primary and about 36V secondary. I put the two in series and connected that to the 277V, giving me a 36V step down (auto-transformer) to 240V. Since the transformer only sees the difference between input and output and the truck never draws more than approx. 3kW (13A typically) the transformer never saw more than ½ kVA. However, what I discovered was that on this single phase 240V power, the truck’s GFCI would always trigger, while on 110v it would only occasionally pop. So, I disabled the built-in GFCI. Why can toasters and RVs be plugged in without GFCI and our super-protected EVs struggle with hair-trigger GFCI that disables charging at inconvenient times? Anyway, while disabling the GFCI may not be your preferred solution and I will try to find out what can be done – it would be my own preferred solution… BTW, I did charge Lawrence’s 2016 Leaf with 30kWh battery on my JuiceBox without trouble. I had forgotten to adjust the pilot, so it pulled full power (32A = 7.7kW) for over an hour on my NEMA 14-30 circuit – indeed slightly overloading the 10 gauge wiring, but it survived. As far as I know, the GFCI is original in my JuiceBox. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Wallace via EV Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:40 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Paul Wallace Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox Cor, finally, someone with some background with the Juicebox Classic silver case unit. I've got a Juicebox classic 40A on a 50amp outlet which should put out enough power for my PFC40 charger. It works fine with both the 2017 Volt and the 2015 Spark, but they can only manage around 3.3kw. The problem comes when I plug in my S10 with the PFC40. If I turn up the charger power past about 4kw or so, the Juicebox works for a while, 10 to 15 minutes, but then faults with a GFCI error. I managed to find an old build document online for the kit which explains how to monitor the serial stream and also put a volt meter on the GFCI sense pin to the microcontroller and watch the offset voltage. I think that the Juicebox is a factory version as the GFCI transformer has a glob of white RTV fixing the 240VAC input wires in what should be the best position for minimizing the offset voltage. Everything starts out relatively good. The offset voltage is in the 50mv range as I remember. After about 5 minutes , the offset begins to increase while charging current remains steady. Once the offset voltage gets up to around 200mv, the fault occurs. Is there anything I can do to improve the offset voltage so this doesn't happen? I'd like to be able to use the full power of the Juicebox since the PFC40 will handle it. thanks, Paul Wallace -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/9b7bf814/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/b9b6256d/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png]<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> Virus-free. www.avg.com<http://www.avg.com/email-signature?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail> -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180616/3b8a84b9/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http
[EVDL] Weatherproof boxes (Was: Juicebox)
One of the mistakes folks make it to attempt to make the box completely sealed. You really can't seal a box effectively without going to extreme measures. It gets expensive to do this. Because of changes in temperature and atmospheric pressure, air will find some way to come it and out, dragging humidity and perhaps water with it. It is, as you say, best to accept the fact that a box will breathe and to deal effectively with that breathing. It is best to place the vent in a place that will naturally be sheltered from drips or will not draw drips into the enclosure. Your tube that ran up the back of the enclosure is a good example. Next, it is important to make the "exhale" of the box expel any water somehow has that found its way into the box. Your vents in the bottom of the enclosure are a good example of that, (but they would also tend draw in drips from the corners outside.) A good design might be to put a small rail around the bottom edge of the box, and put the vents on up on the inside of that rail. Adding a desiccant in-line with the vent can really keep the inside dry, but you have to service/change the desiccant regularly, which most users won't do. What does really help is to keep the interior dead volume to a minimum so it will breathe as little as possible. If the power is available, a small heater makes a huge difference by keeping the interior above the dew point, stopping condensation. But that can be an unacceptable loss of energy. Potting the components to completely eliminate the dead volume around the parts is a very effective approach. It makes the device unserviceable, however, and it sometimes makes the heat build up unmanageable. Conformal coating is probably the most cost effective method. Bill D. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] EVent: EV Show 10a-3-p 6/17 Amesbury-MA
http://www.eagletribune.com/electric-car-show-coming-to-amesbury/article_4cf4f641-41ab-55b1-9edc-7597db936314.html
Electric car show coming to Amesbury
Jun 13, 2018 Jim Sullivan
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About 10 vehicles to be on display
AMESBURY — A new kind of car show will be headed to the downtown when the
Amesbury Energy Committee presents a collection of electric vehicles in the
Lower Millyard parking lot Sunday.
While the more traditional Carriagetown Car Show won't be hitting the city
until July 1, the committee — working alongside the Mass Energy Consumers
Alliance — will sponsor the city's first EV Car Show.
The show will give people a chance to get an up close and personal look at
roughly 10 electric vehicles and even test drive a few.
"The variety of vehicles we have is quite broad," committee Vice Chairman
Mike Browne said. "It goes from a Mitsubishi Outlander [pih], which is a
hybrid plug-in, to a Smart Fortwo [EV], which is a fully electric, small,
little car which is very affordable."
Browne said a pair of Tesla (Models X and S) electric vehicles will also be
on hand as well as a Bailey Electric Car from 1907.
"We have been able to do this for a very long time," Browne said. "If we
value fossil fuels for how valuable they really are and how long it took to
develop them, then we would never have started pulling those out of the
ground and burning them. We would have stayed with electric cars. They came
first."
Browne, an EV Car Show will run from 10 a.m. to 3 president for 21 years,
recently spent two years refitting his 1989 Jeep Wrangler to an electric
vehicle that will also be on display.
"I got a little help from my friends on special occasions but I ended up
doing it myself for the most part," Browne said. "So it took a few years
instead of one year."
Refitting a gas-powered vehicle is "not as bad as it sounds" Browne said.
"You take out the gas engine and everything else that is a part of the
internal combustion system," Browne said. "Then, you take a Sawzall and you
pull everything out and it is kind of fun. Then, there is a ton of room left
in the car."
Once the motor is attached to the drive train, Browne said all that needs to
be done is to attach the electric controllers and batteries.
Browne's refitted Jeep "runs really smooth," he said.
"You start in second gear," Browne said. "It has so much low-end torque that
you don't need to start in first gear. It is also very quiet."
While the cost of refitting his Jeep ran a bit steep at $10,000, Browne said
the expense should even out in time.
"I am going to save more than that in gasoline over the course of the life
of the batteries," Browne said. "The prices on electric vehicles are
dropping all of the time, too. That is because more and more people are
adopting the overall technology."
The EV Car Show will run from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Sunday.
Members of the Mass Energy Consumers Alliance will be on hand to tell
spectators about the many financial incentives available in the state to
help people purchase electric cars.
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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Paul, I will ask around about this. I had a similar problem (not JuiceBox related) where my US Electricar S10 had internal GFCI detection on the incoming AC line. It usually worked on 110V and it probably also should work on a residential 240V which is 2 balanced 120V legs, but the place where I wanted to charge at 240V had only commercial 480V 3-phase available anywhere near the parking lot. So, I took one leg of that (277V) which was powering the light in the parking lot on a timer, and I attached a step-down transformer which was an industrial dry type transformer that used to have 240V primary and about 36V secondary. I put the two in series and connected that to the 277V, giving me a 36V step down (auto-transformer) to 240V. Since the transformer only sees the difference between input and output and the truck never draws more than approx. 3kW (13A typically) the transformer never saw more than ½ kVA. However, what I discovered was that on this single phase 240V power, the truck’s GFCI would always trigger, while on 110v it would only occasionally pop. So, I disabled the built-in GFCI. Why can toasters and RVs be plugged in without GFCI and our super-protected EVs struggle with hair-trigger GFCI that disables charging at inconvenient times? Anyway, while disabling the GFCI may not be your preferred solution and I will try to find out what can be done – it would be my own preferred solution… BTW, I did charge Lawrence’s 2016 Leaf with 30kWh battery on my JuiceBox without trouble. I had forgotten to adjust the pilot, so it pulled full power (32A = 7.7kW) for over an hour on my NEMA 14-30 circuit – indeed slightly overloading the 10 gauge wiring, but it survived. As far as I know, the GFCI is original in my JuiceBox. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Paul Wallace via EV Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 1:40 PM To: ev@lists.evdl.org Cc: Paul Wallace Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox Cor, finally, someone with some background with the Juicebox Classic silver case unit. I've got a Juicebox classic 40A on a 50amp outlet which should put out enough power for my PFC40 charger. It works fine with both the 2017 Volt and the 2015 Spark, but they can only manage around 3.3kw. The problem comes when I plug in my S10 with the PFC40. If I turn up the charger power past about 4kw or so, the Juicebox works for a while, 10 to 15 minutes, but then faults with a GFCI error. I managed to find an old build document online for the kit which explains how to monitor the serial stream and also put a volt meter on the GFCI sense pin to the microcontroller and watch the offset voltage. I think that the Juicebox is a factory version as the GFCI transformer has a glob of white RTV fixing the 240VAC input wires in what should be the best position for minimizing the offset voltage. Everything starts out relatively good. The offset voltage is in the 50mv range as I remember. After about 5 minutes , the offset begins to increase while charging current remains steady. Once the offset voltage gets up to around 200mv, the fault occurs. Is there anything I can do to improve the offset voltage so this doesn't happen? I'd like to be able to use the full power of the Juicebox since the PFC40 will handle it. thanks, Paul Wallace -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/9b7bf814/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/b9b6256d/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
TucsonEV.com sells the KHONS 32A EVSE for $350. It has a readout that shows Charging Status, Accumulated kWh, Charging time, Supply Amps and Volts, Elapsed charge time, charging Amps, EVSE temperature and kW. It is a very compact and portable unit, about the size of a Tesla UMC. It comes with a 14-50 plug. Here is a link to a review by John Woodell - https://medium.com/@JohnWoodell/khons-32-amp-charging-cable-review-4d6a389e26c6 Rush Dougherty Tucson AZ 85719 > -Original Message- > From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de Water via > EV > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 11:13 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Cor van de Water > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox > > Hi Evan, > For the DC chargers, it was decided that there is not enough market to make > direct sales worthwhile, that is why the links were removed from the website. > We do still sell complete built chargers to integrators, please contact > Dorian > in > sales. > > Can't help you with a CCS inlet, I have (privately) bought DC fast charge > inlets > on > Ebay from dismantlers. > > I do believe that we sell the Mennekes 3-phase inlet. 22kW would be the 32 > Amp variant. > Our DC chargers can take either DC, single phase or 3-phase input, with as > only > limitations The voltage in/out combinations depending on architecture (buck or > boost or both) and max current. > Hope this clarifies, > Cor. > > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > > From: Evan Tuer via EV > Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:28 AM > To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List > Cc: Evan Tuer > Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV > wrote: > > > Hi Damon, > > That would be me ?? > > Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early > > adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox. > > With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to > > enjoy faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with > > Tesla's ?? > > At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very > > exciting field. > > > > > Hi Cor, it sure is exciting! I remember a few years ago, EMW had for sale > kits > of > serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I was keen > to buy one? > I am currently looking for a CCS combo-type 2 inlet to add to my conversion, > and/or an onboard AC 3 phase charger, 22kW or so. > > Cheers > EVan > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20180615/d94b9062/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev- > evdl.org/attachments/20180615/d0bb3bb4/attachment.html> > ___ > UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub > http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org > Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. > https://www.avg.com ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
I had a similar problem with my S-10 conversion where a silver JuiceBox Pro was suffering GFCI trips after about 50 minutes of charging. The problem turned out to be my chargers overheating, and when they shut down something in their shutdown procedure tripped the GFCI. I have dual ThunderStruck TSM2500 (rebranded CH4100) chargers, and was able to fix the issue by ducting in more air w/ fans. Not saying this is your problem, but just pointing out that I did a lot of debugging on the GFCI fault with the JuiceBox before I discovered that the ultimate cause was the chargers. Jay On 06/15/2018 04:40 PM, Paul Wallace via EV wrote: Cor, finally, someone with some background with the Juicebox Classic silver case unit. I've got a Juicebox classic 40A on a 50amp outlet which should put out enough power for my PFC40 charger. It works fine with both the 2017 Volt and the 2015 Spark, but they can only manage around 3.3kw. The problem comes when I plug in my S10 with the PFC40. If I turn up the charger power past about 4kw or so, the Juicebox works for a while, 10 to 15 minutes, but then faults with a GFCI error. I managed to find an old build document online for the kit which explains how to monitor the serial stream and also put a volt meter on the GFCI sense pin to the microcontroller and watch the offset voltage. I think that the Juicebox is a factory version as the GFCI transformer has a glob of white RTV fixing the 240VAC input wires in what should be the best position for minimizing the offset voltage. Everything starts out relatively good. The offset voltage is in the 50mv range as I remember. After about 5 minut es , the offset begins to increase while charging current remains steady. Once the offset voltage gets up to around 200mv, the fault occurs. Is there anything I can do to improve the offset voltage so this doesn't happen? I'd like to be able to use the full power of the Juicebox since the PFC40 will handle it. thanks, Paul Wallace -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/9b7bf814/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Cor, finally, someone with some background with the Juicebox Classic silver case unit. I've got a Juicebox classic 40A on a 50amp outlet which should put out enough power for my PFC40 charger. It works fine with both the 2017 Volt and the 2015 Spark, but they can only manage around 3.3kw. The problem comes when I plug in my S10 with the PFC40. If I turn up the charger power past about 4kw or so, the Juicebox works for a while, 10 to 15 minutes, but then faults with a GFCI error. I managed to find an old build document online for the kit which explains how to monitor the serial stream and also put a volt meter on the GFCI sense pin to the microcontroller and watch the offset voltage. I think that the Juicebox is a factory version as the GFCI transformer has a glob of white RTV fixing the 240VAC input wires in what should be the best position for minimizing the offset voltage. Everything starts out relatively good. The offset voltage is in the 50mv range as I remember. After about 5 minutes , the offset begins to increase while charging current remains steady. Once the offset voltage gets up to around 200mv, the fault occurs. Is there anything I can do to improve the offset voltage so this doesn't happen? I'd like to be able to use the full power of the Juicebox since the PFC40 will handle it. thanks, Paul Wallace -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/9b7bf814/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Enel eMotorWerks: Juicebox
Willie said >I've read that EMW has been bought out by somebody?<
ENEL ACQUIRES EMOTORWERKS TO PROVIDE GRID BALANCING ...
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Oct 25, 2017 - Enel, through its US subsidiary EnerNOC, acquired
California-based advanced energy and e-mobility solutions company
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Enel Acquires eMotorWerks To Provide Grid Balancing Solutions And ...
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Oct 25, 2017 - Enel, through its US subsidiary EnerNOC, acquired
California-based advanced energy and e-mobility solutions company
eMotorWerks
eMotorWerks Acquired By Enel | CleanTechnica
https://cleantechnica.com/2017/10/26/emotorwerks-acquired-enel/
Oct 26, 2017 - October 26th, 2017 by Kyle Field. Enel has acquired
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Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Hi Cor, > For the DC chargers, it was decided that there is not enough market to make > direct sales worthwhile, that is why the links were removed from the website. > We do still sell complete built chargers to integrators, please contact > Dorian in sales. Thanks, I will try. > Can’t help you with a CCS inlet, I have (privately) bought DC fast charge > inlets on Ebay from dismantlers. Yes that’s the obvious route. To be honest getting an inlet *and* charger from a breaker might be the most cost effective route these days. > I do believe that we sell the Mennekes 3-phase inlet. 22kW would be the 32 > Amp variant. Yes I have the type 2 32A inlet already, just considering adding either chademo or CCS. > Our DC chargers can take either DC, single phase or 3-phase input, with as > only limitations > The voltage in/out combinations depending on architecture (buck or boost or > both) and max current. > Hope this clarifies, Very good, thanks! ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
> On 15 Jun 2018, at 19:32, John Lussmyer via EV wrote: > > On Fri Jun 15 10:19:07 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >> kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I >> was keen to buy one? > > Manzanita Micro sells a 12KW (and 18KW) charger. > I'm using one of the PFC-50 (12KW) units all the time Yes I still use a PFC20b myself. The higher power charging is normally available on 3 phase, 32A max per phase, so a 3 phase charger is what I was interested in (otherwise yes, PFC30 would be a good upgrade). Thanks Evan ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
On Fri Jun 15 10:19:07 PDT 2018 ev@lists.evdl.org said: >kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I >was keen to buy one? Manzanita Micro sells a 12KW (and 18KW) charger. I'm using one of the PFC-50 (12KW) units all the time. -- Worlds only All Electric F-250 truck! http://john.casadelgato.com/Electric-Vehicles/1995-Ford-F-250 ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Hi Evan, For the DC chargers, it was decided that there is not enough market to make direct sales worthwhile, that is why the links were removed from the website. We do still sell complete built chargers to integrators, please contact Dorian in sales. Can’t help you with a CCS inlet, I have (privately) bought DC fast charge inlets on Ebay from dismantlers. I do believe that we sell the Mennekes 3-phase inlet. 22kW would be the 32 Amp variant. Our DC chargers can take either DC, single phase or 3-phase input, with as only limitations The voltage in/out combinations depending on architecture (buck or boost or both) and max current. Hope this clarifies, Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Evan Tuer via EV Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 10:28 AM To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List Cc: Evan Tuer Subject: Re: [EVDL] Juicebox On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Hi Damon, > That would be me > Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early > adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox. > With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to enjoy > faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with Tesla’s > At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very exciting > field. > Hi Cor, it sure is exciting! I remember a few years ago, EMW had for sale kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I was keen to buy one? I am currently looking for a CCS combo-type 2 inlet to add to my conversion, and/or an onboard AC 3 phase charger, 22kW or so. Cheers EVan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/d94b9062/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/d0bb3bb4/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
On 06/15/2018 12:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: Hi Damon, That would be me Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox. With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to enjoy faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with Tesla’s At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very exciting field. Cor. Seems like I've read that EMW has been bought out by somebody? I, too, started buying JuiceBoxes back in the first Kickstarted stage. I think I eventually bought three of the "Premium" versions in the half cylinder cases and, later, about three in at least two versions of the square cases. A couple of years ago, I went with the Kickstarter deal for the J1772 adapter with wifi. Your message reminded me that I'm still waiting for that one. Early on, the JBs were attractive when they could supposedly do 60 amps for ~$300 while the Tesla "Wall Connectors" cost ~$1k for 80 amps. Now, the Wall Connectors are only ~$500 while JBs have gone up in price and down in capacity. I've found JBs to be very poorly weather proofed. I've had little trouble with JBs installed in protected areas but have about three dead ones that were mounted un-protected. I think I have two dead with square cases and one dead half cylinder When an exposed JB died a year or so ago, I replaced it with a very cheap Duosida which has given me no trouble just dangling from a chain link fence. I've just mentally adapted to the reduced 16 amp charge rate or charge in a less convenient location if I need faster charging. Especially the older JBs had illegible displays and troublesome key fob controllers. Can you tell us anything of what is in the works with DC charging? At one time, I was considering trying to set up a poor man's chademo with two of the EMW products. The idea was to charge imievs at around 20kw where the AC limit is 3kw. I gave up on that idea when my JBs became so consistently troublesome. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
On Fri, Jun 15, 2018 at 6:12 PM, Cor van de Water via EV wrote: > Hi Damon, > That would be me > Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early > adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox. > With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to enjoy > faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with Tesla’s > At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very exciting > field. > Hi Cor, it sure is exciting! I remember a few years ago, EMW had for sale kits of serious chargers - 12kW or even more. What has happened to those, I was keen to buy one? I am currently looking for a CCS combo-type 2 inlet to add to my conversion, and/or an onboard AC 3 phase charger, 22kW or so. Cheers EVan -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/d94b9062/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Juicebox
Hi Damon, That would be me Although the JuiceBox is created by another department, I was an early adopter and participated in the very first Kickstarter for the JuiceBox. With the 50 Amp outlet and the 40 Amp JuiceBox you are prepared to enjoy faster charging of other vehicles, even of visiting friends with Tesla’s At eMotorWerks I am mostly working on DC Fast Charging, a very exciting field. Cor. Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Damon Henry via EV Sent: Friday, June 15, 2018 9:33 AM To: EV List Cc: Damon Henry Subject: [EVDL] Juicebox I just added a 50 amp Nema 14-50 circuit in my garage and ordered a Juicebox 40 Light to charge my wife's Prius Prime faster. I have to say that it is a very nice setup and works as advertised. I could have bought a cheaper L2 charge station that would have worked just as well on the Prius Prime as it is limited to the 3.3kw charger it comes with, but I felt the Juicebox had more to offer for any future EVs I might bring home, especially ones with a higher charge rate. I selected the Lite model over the standard as most of the features that are missing are available native in the Prius Prime already, and a software upgrade is available if I ever feel I need it. Interestingly, with the current pricing it is actually a couple of bucks cheaper to buy the Lite model and pay for the upgrade... If my memory servers correctly one of our long time list contributors recently went to work for eMotorWerks. So congratulations to him for joining a company that sells a quality product that is helping the EV movement march forward. Damon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/fdbb9a94/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/1893124e/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] Juicebox
I just added a 50 amp Nema 14-50 circuit in my garage and ordered a Juicebox 40 Light to charge my wife's Prius Prime faster. I have to say that it is a very nice setup and works as advertised. I could have bought a cheaper L2 charge station that would have worked just as well on the Prius Prime as it is limited to the 3.3kw charger it comes with, but I felt the Juicebox had more to offer for any future EVs I might bring home, especially ones with a higher charge rate. I selected the Lite model over the standard as most of the features that are missing are available native in the Prius Prime already, and a software upgrade is available if I ever feel I need it. Interestingly, with the current pricing it is actually a couple of bucks cheaper to buy the Lite model and pay for the upgrade... If my memory servers correctly one of our long time list contributors recently went to work for eMotorWerks. So congratulations to him for joining a company that sells a quality product that is helping the EV movement march forward. Damon -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20180615/fdbb9a94/attachment.html> ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
[EVDL] VW he-semi-trucks charged by Siemens overhead power: Bob Rice smiling
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https://chargedevs.com/newswire/siemens-and-vw-to-test-long-haul-trucks-charged-by-overhead-power-lines/
Siemens and VW to test long-haul trucks charged by overhead power lines
June 11, 2018 ... Siemens will be responsible for developing the pantograph,
and Volkswagen will provide hybrid trucks via subsidiary Scania, and will
carry out the research ...
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http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Siemens-overhead-e-semi-truck-charging-wires-on-the-Autobahn-de-tp4687717.html
Siemens overhead e-semi truck charging wires on the Autobahn.de
http://www.thedrive.com/news/13448/germany-to-install-overhead-electric-vehicle-chargers-on-autobahn
Germany to Install Overhead Electric Vehicle Chargers on Autobahn Soon,
electric trucks are going to look like bumper cars in Germany. August 12,
2017 Rob Stumpf [image / Siemens http...
Aug 18, 2017
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-2km-eHighway-se-overhead-wire-stretch-powers-freight-e-truck-tp4686305.html
EVLN: 2km eHighway.se overhead-wire stretch powers freight e-truck
... transit to the test on a 2km stretch of motorway north of Sweden. And
they call it, quite rightly, an “eHighway”. Specially-designed Scania trucks
will travel along the eHighway, made by engineering titan Siemens, using a
pantograph which feeds power to the vehicle's via overhead wires. It’s
not...
Apr 04, 2017
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-VW-s-Scania-touts-e-overheadwire-powered-semi-truck-he-powered-when-off-e-road-tp4682743.html
EVLN: VW's Scania touts e-overheadwire powered semi-truck> he-powered when
off e-road
... truck receives electrical power from a pantograph power collector that
is mounted on the frame behind its cab. The pantographs are in turn
connected to overhead power lines that are above the right-hand lane of the
road, and the trucks can freely connect to and disconnect from the overhead
wires...
Jun 25, 2016
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Scania-Testing-Overhead-Line-e-Trucks-In-Real-Life-Conditions-tp4676217.html
EVLN: Scania Testing Overhead-Line e-Trucks In Real-Life Conditions
... European highway 16. The trucks are equipped with an electric hybrid
powertrain developed by Scania. Power to the trucks is transferred from
overhead lines through a pantograph power collector mounted on the frame
behind the cab. This technology has been developed by Siemens, which since
2013 has...
Jun 14, 2015
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-Overhead-cable-e-trucks-to-be-tested-in-CA-next-year-video-tp4671033.html
EVLN: Overhead-cable e-trucks to be tested in CA next year (video)
... eHighway lane, a monitoring sensor in the truck’s nose detects the
overhead power lines and automatically deploys a prong-shaped wand, called a
pantograph. This acts as a conduit for the electrical power to flow to the
electric motor. Holger Sommer, eHighway project manager for Siemens, says
the company...
Aug 18, 2014
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Fwd-Re-seva-Siemens-Plans-to-Clean-Up-Trucking-With-a-Trolley-Line-tp4624832p4625717.html
Siemens Plans to Clean Up Trucking With a Trolley Line
(EVLN: Siemens eHighway truck uses overhead trolley power lines)
... trucks powered by electricity from electric lines over the road. City
buses, streetcars, and regional rail lines all over the world run on
electricity, garnered from overhead lines. Now Siemens wants to apply the
same technology to long-haul trucking with its eHighway concept. Siemens,
an...
May 11, 2012
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Re: [EVDL] Bob Rice is smiling at this one! (K O)
On 15 Jun 2018 at 3:24, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote: > I didn't understand where to go to read the article. Seems it was an > html post so it was stripped of content. https://chargedevs.com/newswire/siemens-and-vw-to-test-long-haul-trucks- charged-by-overhead-power-lines/ or https://v.gd/Ctg4lb David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA EVDL Administrator = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = EVDL Information: http://www.evdl.org/help/ = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Note: mail sent to "evpost" and "etpost" addresses will not reach me. To send a private message, please obtain my email address from the webpage http://www.evdl.org/help/ . = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org Please discuss EV drag racing at NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
