Re: [EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts

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On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 11:33:17 AM CDT, evtlfp20 via EV 
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   on the cars you mentioned, what kind of wattage, where to hookup and 
procdures do have to do to get 120 vac or 12 dc out of them?
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Re: [EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts

[Ing. Marco Gaxiola via EV]

I did exactly that last year when I was living in Michigan during winter time. 

I ran to an autozone, bought a 1000W peak 600w continuous or so 12v inverter 
and hooked it up to my 2011 Fusion Hybrid and was able to run the furnace (gas 
igniter and blower) to keep us warm during a 4 hr power outage. 

Remember hearing the engine kicking On only a few times to recharge the HV 
battery. 

Marco Gaxiola 


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> On Aug 7, 2019, at 3:37 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:
> 
> Just hook up any ol'e 12v-to-120v AC inverter (about $100) to the 12v
> battery.  Then put the car into ON, and you can draw the power from the
> 12v system until the HV battery is dead on a BIG EV battery days later or
> until the gas tank is empty in a hybrid.  The car will take care of
> itself.
> 
> They all have 1kw (prius and Leaf) or 2 kW (Volt) DC/DC converters that
> maintain the 12v system from the HV battery.  Automaticallly.
> 
> Bob, Wb4apR
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: [EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts
> 
>  on the cars you mentioned, what kind of wattage, where to hookup and
> procdures do have to do to get 120 vac or 12 dc out of them?
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Re: [EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Just hook up any ol'e 12v-to-120v AC inverter (about $100) to the 12v
battery.  Then put the car into ON, and you can draw the power from the
12v system until the HV battery is dead on a BIG EV battery days later or
until the gas tank is empty in a hybrid.  The car will take care of
itself.

They all have 1kw (prius and Leaf) or 2 kW (Volt) DC/DC converters that
maintain the 12v system from the HV battery.  Automaticallly.

Bob, Wb4apR

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Subject: [EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts

  on the cars you mentioned, what kind of wattage, where to hookup and
procdures do have to do to get 120 vac or 12 dc out of them?
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[EVDL] Powerwall Equivalence / watts

[evtlfp20 via EV]

 on the cars you mentioned, what kind of wattage, where to hookup and 
procdures do have to do to get 120 vac or 12 dc out of them?

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Re: [EVDL] EV - Powerwall Equivalence

[paul dove via EV]

Good points but everything does not come down to cost. Technically one does not 
need air conditioning but people pay a lot of money for it. For anyone who has 
been through a three to 6 day power outage a back up that will power 
everything looks worth it even if it happens rarely. Of course most people 
don't have the money to spare.
 

On Wednesday, August 7, 2019, 8:03:50 AM CDT, Robert Bruninga via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 Subject: EV - Powerwall Equivalence

When I give talks on Emergency power to ham radio groups there seem to be
people convinced they need a Powerall for backup of the typical 7 hours
annual power outage.  I point out that the average American home draws only
about $1 worth of electricity in 7 hours (here in Maryland) and so spending
$14,000 for $1 worth of electricity a year is something that should get
serious thought.

I say a $200 generator and $15 can of gas is far more cost effective.  But
if they really must have a big battery, then I use these two slides to show
people that buying a used EV or Plugin hybrid is a far more economical
investment for emergency power than a power wall.

http://aprs.org/EV-Powerwall.png

A Nissan Leaf 3 years old costs about $9k and has the battery capacity of
THREE Tesla Power walls that cost $21,000.  Plus y ou can drive it the other
99.95% of the year for transportation...

A plugin Prius has the battery capacity of a Power wall AND includes a 50 kW
generator for power for a week!
A Volt has the capacity of TWO power walls (Tesla's recommendation) plus the
week long 50kW generator to boot.

HOWEVER, the power wall will be a fantastic investment *when* the utility,
PSC and politicians allow the owner to be paid the full retail value of his
battery contribution back to the grid during peak demand.  But that is NOT
here yet.  So, don't waste money on a power wall until that comes about..
Then a power wall can pay for itself in 2 years and provide whole-house
battery backup for free!  But not now...

Bob, Wb4APR
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[EVDL] EV - Powerwall Equivalence

[Robert Bruninga via EV]

Subject: EV - Powerwall Equivalence

When I give talks on Emergency power to ham radio groups there seem to be
people convinced they need a Powerall for backup of the typical 7 hours
annual power outage.  I point out that the average American home draws only
about $1 worth of electricity in 7 hours (here in Maryland) and so spending
$14,000 for $1 worth of electricity a year is something that should get
serious thought.

I say a $200 generator and $15 can of gas is far more cost effective.  But
if they really must have a big battery, then I use these two slides to show
people that buying a used EV or Plugin hybrid is a far more economical
investment for emergency power than a power wall.

http://aprs.org/EV-Powerwall.png

A Nissan Leaf 3 years old costs about $9k and has the battery capacity of
THREE Tesla Power walls that cost $21,000.  Plus y ou can drive it the other
99.95% of the year for transportation...

A plugin Prius has the battery capacity of a Power wall AND includes a 50 kW
generator for power for a week!
A Volt has the capacity of TWO power walls (Tesla's recommendation) plus the
week long 50kW generator to boot.

HOWEVER, the power wall will be a fantastic investment *when* the utility,
PSC and politicians allow the owner to be paid the full retail value of his
battery contribution back to the grid during peak demand.  But that is NOT
here yet.  So, don't waste money on a power wall until that comes about..
Then a power wall can pay for itself in 2 years and provide whole-house
battery backup for free!  But not now...

Bob, Wb4APR
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Re: [EVDL] Manzanita PFC20 operation

[Christopher Darilek via EV]

 During the first charge it did, I started fully charged, tuned the volts trim 
until Yellow On, Blue blinking, then Blue solid On after timeout. For the 
second charge the blue comes on immediately and no yellow, even if I turn the 
volts trim up.

Thanks,Chris

On Tuesday, August 6, 2019, 10:07:59 PM CDT, Alan Arrison via EV 
 wrote:  
 
 The blue led is the timer time out after the yellow voltage limit led 
comes on.

If the rotary switch is set to 3 o'clock, it times out immediately after 
the yellow led comes on.

Does the yellow come on along with the blue?

On 8/6/2019 2:47 PM, Christopher Darilek via EV wrote:
> I scored a Manzanita PFC20 charger to round out my Zilla setup and wonder if 
> anyone has advice - I did the volts trim so that it stopped charging at 
> 99.6V. Now when the battery is at 98.4V is will not start back up when I flip 
> the breaker, even if I turn the voltage trim way up. The blue LED is On solid.
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> I'd like to trim it to 103V but I can't get it to charge now. I can't get the 
> blue LED to turn Off, even if I unplug everything for a few mins.
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> I'm not sure what voltage pack it was setup for prior. Do I need to mess with 
> the auto restart potentiometer VR6 behind the faceplate? Or follow the 
> elithion advice?
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> I'm looking at the Programming section of Elithion Lithiumate manual - 
> Manzanita Micro (I have a lithiumate BMS).
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Re: [EVDL] Hyundai releases solar roof vehicle.

[Paul Compton via EV]

On Wed, 7 Aug 2019 at 05:33, Robert Bruninga via EV  wrote:

> My son just told me his commute is 2 miles each way.  ANd he agreed to take
> one of my ev's so that at least it is on the road and being seen rather
> than just rotting away in my driveway.  He lives in an apt and has no place
> to plug in.  So 2 miles a day from the sun is well worth it.  Bob

That's not a commute.

That's a walk.

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Re: [EVDL] Hyundai releases solar roof vehicle.

[Cor van de Water via EV]

Lee,
That is exactly the purpose of the small solar panels that you can buy used on 
Craigslist or Ebay. VW has been shipping their vehicles with a small solar 
panel plugged into the lighter plug, to keep the aux battery topped off during 
the weeks or months the car is sitting somewhere waiting to be moved to the 
next place.

Also the Nissan Leaf can be had with a small solar panel on the rear spoiler – 
again not for charging it large pack, but to keep the 12V battery topped up. 
Unfortunately some 2013 are still able to run down their battery, despite 
sitting outside in the sun all day. In that case, it helps to get a new battery 
and to check vampire circuits in the car such as the (no longer useful) 
telemetrics system.
Cor.

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From: Lee Hart via EV
Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 8:06 PM
To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
Cc: Lee Hart
Subject: Re: [EVDL] Hyundai releases solar roof vehicle.

Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
> The usual waste of time and money. I'm sure the numbers are theoretical
> best case scenario.

One thing they don't talk about is how much power the car takes just 
from sitting.

I was surprised to discover that my Prius draws about 30ma from its 12v 
battery continuously when parked. It's needed to power all the "always 
on" vampire loads, like the keyless entry, secruity system, clock, radio 
presets, odometer, etc. That's enough to run down a new 12v battery in 4 
weeks or so -- less if the battery is old or weak.

So I installed a small PV panel under the rear window. It's wired to the 
12v battery through a diode and fuse. It produces about 200ma peak. 
That's not enough to overcharge the battery; but it is enough to keep it 
charged even if the car is parked for weeks while we are on vacation.

Even if this is all the Hyundai PV panel does, that's still enough to be 
useful.

-- 
Whether we or our politicians know it or not, Nature is party to all
our deals and decisions, and she has more votes, a longer memory,
and a sterner sense of justice than we do. -- Wendell Berry
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Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com
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