Re: [EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

[John Lussmyer via EV]

On Tue Jun 23 19:21:39 PDT 2020 ev@lists.evdl.org said:
>> Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell me
>> what to look for. Used is good, new is Ok.

On the last 24v lead-acid mower I had, I just used 2 small 12V chargers.  
(Yeah, had to hang a wire/plug out the top of the mower for them.)


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Re: [EVDL] Tesla and Solving the Money Problem

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Tesla or (name your favorite company) may be a great investment (or not), but 
it’s highly irresponsible to put 90% of your portfolio in any one company, or 
even one sector.

- Mark

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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 8:10 PM, Mark Laity-Snyder via EV  
> wrote:
> 
> I have been watching videos from Stephen Mark Ryan. He is a millionaire that 
> is in his 20s. He has invested more than 90%+ of his investing portfolio in 
> Tesla.  I think he is right on the money in thinking Tesla stock will be 
> worth 10x or more what it is now in 10 years. I enjoy the videos because it 
> is easy to get caught up in day to day news of which Tesla crash there was or 
> the pandemic or the latest political BS and lose sight of the big picture.  I 
> think Tesla can and is bringing the entire world toward a much better future. 
>   It also might help make me some money in the process. I just wish I could 
> buy more stock right now.  
> Here is the latest video.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi26G1Z021k
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[EVDL] Segway off balance; hangs it up

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

Segway, which boldly claimed its two-wheeled personal transporter would 
revolutionize the way people get around, is ending production of its 
namesake vehicle.

The Segway PT, popular with tourists and police officers but perhaps better 
known for its high-profile crashes, will be retired on 15 July, the company 
said in a statement.

*

Ten months after buying the company in 2009, British self-made millionaire 
Jim Heselden died after the Segway he was riding careened off a 30ft cliff 
not far from his country estate north of London. He was 62 years old.

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https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jun/23/segway-transporter-
production-ends

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Re: [EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

I think that I’m on my 10th electric mower, and my latest is the best by far. 
It’s a Greenworks 40V power-assisted.


- Mark

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> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Michael Ross via EV  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I have been using a nice programmable AMREL 80V PS for years now to charge
> my old Black and Decker 24V mower. The PS not working and I would like to
> get something newer and appropriately priced for the application.
> 
> Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell me
> what to look for. Used is good, new is Ok.
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> Mmike
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Re: [EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

[Michael Ross via EV]

No problem Mark. I may go for a new mower. I'm not interested in the power
assist particularly, but getting away from PbSO4 would be nice. I have to
buy about $100 of batteries every 3 or 4 years. If I can't get a good
charger/BMS for my lead acid cells,at a low cost, then a new mower is
likely.

Having 10 mowers ... sounds like bad luck. The mulch bag is falling off the
current mower,so it has been around for a long long time. I can't
remember when I got it. 6 or more years ago and it was used.

Mike

On Tue, Jun 23, 2020 at 10:56 PM Mark Abramowitz via EV 
wrote:

> Oops, sorry. I misread that you were looking for either a charger or
> possibly a new mower.
>
> - Mark
>
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
>
> > On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:21 PM, Mark Abramowitz 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think that I’m on my 10th electric mower, and my latest is the best
> by far. It’s a Greenworks 40V power-assisted.
> >
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> > Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Michael Ross via EV 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> I have been using a nice programmable AMREL 80V PS for years now to
> charge
> >> my old Black and Decker 24V mower. The PS not working and I would like
> to
> >> get something newer and appropriately priced for the application.
> >>
> >> Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell
> me
> >> what to look for. Used is good, new is Ok.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> Mmike
> >>
> >> --
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> >> (919) 585-6737 Land
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[EVDL] Tesla and Solving the Money Problem

[Mark Laity-Snyder via EV]

I have been watching videos from Stephen Mark Ryan. He is a millionaire that is 
in his 20s. He has invested more than 90%+ of his investing portfolio in Tesla. 
 I think he is right on the money in thinking Tesla stock will be worth 10x or 
more what it is now in 10 years. I enjoy the videos because it is easy to get 
caught up in day to day news of which Tesla crash there was or the pandemic or 
the latest political BS and lose sight of the big picture.  I think Tesla can 
and is bringing the entire world toward a much better future.   It also might 
help make me some money in the process. I just wish I could buy more stock 
right now.  
Here is the latest video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qi26G1Z021k




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Re: [EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

[Mark Abramowitz via EV]

Oops, sorry. I misread that you were looking for either a charger or possibly a 
new mower.

- Mark

Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2020, at 7:21 PM, Mark Abramowitz  wrote:
> 
> I think that I’m on my 10th electric mower, and my latest is the best by 
> far. It’s a Greenworks 40V power-assisted.
> 
> 
> - Mark
> 
> Sent from my Fuel Cell powered iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:48 PM, Michael Ross via EV  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I have been using a nice programmable AMREL 80V PS for years now to charge
>> my old Black and Decker 24V mower. The PS not working and I would like to
>> get something newer and appropriately priced for the application.
>> 
>> Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell me
>> what to look for. Used is good, new is Ok.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Mmike
>> 
>> -- 
>> Michael E. Ross
>> (919) 585-6737 Land
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Re: [EVDL] 20s A123 battery pack for ebike

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>From my admittedly limited experience, most electronic devices you buy from 
Chinese sellers are cheap and poorly documented.  If you get instructions, 
they'll usually be in "Chinglish" and confusing at best.  

IMO, those gadgets are iffy enough for people who know what they're doing.  
I'm an electronics hacker, not an engineer.  I don't have the background to 
work safely with undocumented alien electronics.  

You can often get the same junk on Ebay and Amazon from US sellers who've 
written up better documentation.  (Or maybe they haven't.  Read the 
reviews.)  Some of them even test them to weed out the QC failures.  (Often 
with directly imported Chinese stuff, YOU are the QC.)

You pay more for the documented items, but maybe not more than you'd pay if 
you had to order one or five replacements after letting the smoke out.

As for me, I don't mess with assembling lithium batteries.  I don't trust 
myself with something that can burn my house down if I get it wrong. 
Instead, I buy my lithium batteries (what few I use) as complete configured 
units already assembled with BMS, from people and manufacturers who I'm 
prettty sure know what they're doing.  I try to maximize my chance at 
success by reading the online reviews and comments in places like Endless 
Sphere.  

That's what led me to Ping Battery several years ago.  They cost a lot more 
than doing it myself, or even the anonymous duct tape batteries on Ebay, but 
when they arrived I plugged in the BMSes (following the clear instructions), 
charged them, and put them to work.  The batteries have held up well, though 
the chargers haven't. 

As always, YMMV.  Good luck.  Don't charge it in the house or garage.

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Re: [EVDL] 20s A123 battery pack for ebike

[Alan Arrison via EV]

I'd be wary of a cheap BMS even *with* a wiring diagram. Without one? 
Contact the seller.


On 6/23/2020 7:39 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

  The BMS and Charger came the other day way earlier than promised. Both packages came 
from an address no more than 10 miles from my housemaybe there are stockpiles in 
the US? But why would they say from China using speed pack.  Any way no instructions 
came with the package. The BMS looks professionally manufactured. Has a 5 and 20 pin 
connector. It is the size of a small smart phone and very heavy. I have no idea how to 
hook up the negative. The diagram(on ebay) assumes a lot of knowledge I don't have.  I 
am not even sure I can safely start this project.  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20S-60V-BMS-30A-40A-50A-60A-Lifepo4-Battery-BMS-W-Balance-Waterproof-Protection/113793800015?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT=413965228886&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
 If this is a common BMS with maybe a video somewhere that might help me. Maybe someone 
here has used this model.  About all I know is the 20 pins go on each parallel 
connection of which there will be 20. The P will be two. Plenty for a small battery for 
a bicycle. But documentation in the form of diagrams is lacking.  But for the money if 
I can figure it out not bad.  Lawrence Rhodes

 On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 7:42:45 PM PDT, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:
  
  Below is my order and a few bucks for buyer protection. This will be an experiment and learning experience. Lawrence Rhodes


Order details
Sales order

Sold by zhan-lingj ( 383 ) Order number: ???Processed by PayPal

Estimated delivery Monday, Jun 29, 2020 - Friday, Aug 21,2020

60V/73V 5A Charger for 60V (20S ) LiFePO4 BatteryPack/E-BIKE.AC110V 73V OUTPUT

Item price    USD25.95

Quantity  1

Item number   173860920788

Shipping service    EconomyShipping from outside US

Sales order

Sold by elec-module58 ( 14539 ) Order number: ?Processed by PayPal

Estimated delivery Monday, Jun 29, 2020 - Wednesday, Jul 22,2020

20S 60V 60A Lifepo4 Battery BMS W/Balance WaterproofProtection

Item price    USD36.98

Quantity  1

Item number   113793800015

Shipping service    StandardSpeedPAK from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan

Sales order

Sold by squaretradeus ( 553444 ) Order number:24-05211-07170 Processed by PayPal

   
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[EVDL] OT: My E- mower power supply died, help?

[Michael Ross via EV]

Hi all,
I have been using a nice programmable AMREL 80V PS for years now to charge
my old Black and Decker 24V mower. The PS not working and I would like to
get something newer and appropriately priced for the application.

Can any of you recommend a good 24V lead acid charger? Or perhaps tell me
what to look for. Used is good, new is Ok.

Thanks!

Mmike

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Re: [EVDL] 20s A123 battery pack for ebike

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 The BMS and Charger came the other day way earlier than promised. Both 
packages came from an address no more than 10 miles from my housemaybe 
there are stockpiles in the US? But why would they say from China using speed 
pack.  Any way no instructions came with the package. The BMS looks 
professionally manufactured. Has a 5 and 20 pin connector. It is the size of a 
small smart phone and very heavy. I have no idea how to hook up the negative. 
The diagram(on ebay) assumes a lot of knowledge I don't have.  I am not even 
sure I can safely start this project.  
https://www.ebay.com/itm/20S-60V-BMS-30A-40A-50A-60A-Lifepo4-Battery-BMS-W-Balance-Waterproof-Protection/113793800015?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT=413965228886&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649
 If this is a common BMS with maybe a video somewhere that might help me. Maybe 
someone here has used this model.  About all I know is the 20 pins go on each 
parallel connection of which there will be 20. The P will be two. Plenty for a 
small battery for a bicycle. But documentation in the form of diagrams is 
lacking.  But for the money if I can figure it out not bad.  Lawrence Rhodes

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020, 7:42:45 PM PDT, Lawrence Rhodes 
 wrote:  
 
 Below is my order and a few bucks for buyer protection. This will be an 
experiment and learning experience. Lawrence Rhodes

Order details
Sales order

Sold by zhan-lingj ( 383 ) Order number: ???Processed by PayPal

Estimated delivery Monday, Jun 29, 2020 - Friday, Aug 21,2020

60V/73V 5A Charger for 60V (20S ) LiFePO4 BatteryPack/E-BIKE.AC110V 73V OUTPUT

Item price    USD25.95

Quantity  1

Item number   173860920788

Shipping service    EconomyShipping from outside US

Sales order

Sold by elec-module58 ( 14539 ) Order number: ?Processed by PayPal

Estimated delivery Monday, Jun 29, 2020 - Wednesday, Jul 22,2020

20S 60V 60A Lifepo4 Battery BMS W/Balance WaterproofProtection

Item price    USD36.98

Quantity  1

Item number   113793800015

Shipping service    StandardSpeedPAK from China/Hong Kong/Taiwan

Sales order

Sold by squaretradeus ( 553444 ) Order number:24-05211-07170 Processed by PayPal

  
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[EVDL] Lyft wants EVs but won't help drivers pay for them

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2020/06/20/lyft-promises-to-go-all-electric-by-2030/111980210/
Lyft promises to go all-electric by 2030, but it won't pay drivers to make
the switch to electric cars
 ... Lyft does, however, hope to "help drivers access incentive funds"
provided by someone else, although the company is not specific about who it
expects to pony up. Less than a decade from now, when you order a ride from
Lyft, you'll almost certainly get picked up in an electric car – or some
similarly zero-emissions vehicle ...
https://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/2020/06/17/USATODAY/usatsports/MotleyFool-TMOT-c50231d4-4137ea89.jpg
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Re: [EVDL] !SOLD!: Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

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On 23 Jun 2020 at 16:02, evln via EV wrote:

> SOLD, see

Impressive ...

Congrats to both buyer and seller, and best of luck to the former.  Was it 
anybody on this list?

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[EVDL] !SOLD!: Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

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SOLD, see

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[EVDL] SOLD!: EV4sale - think city sf-ca> cl ad removed

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Text reply back from seller, Brent, says:
>The car was sold. You can take it off any lists. Thanks for checking in.<



 Other EVs for sale on that cl:
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/search/sfc/cta?query=electric
 see the leaf cl ad for $5k

Think city EVs are beloved in SF-CA because of the station car program +more
https://www.google.com/search?=%22pivco%22+station+car+program




For EVLN EV-newswire posts view:
 http://www.evdl.org/archive/
https://mail-archive.com/ev@lists.evdl.org/maillist.html


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Re: [EVDL] Fw: [GGEVA] Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

[EVDL Administrator via EV]

On 23 Jun 2020 at 16:46, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

> 2011 Think City. ... asking $4,995.

I may be remembering wrong, but it seems to me that I've seem some more or 
less usable (limited range) Nissan Leaves offered for around this price.  

The Think City was a pretty good EV, especially for its time - it was 
developed in the late 1990s and early 2000s - but the poor little guy is an 
orphan.  I can't imagine who's going to pay much that for one, but good luck 
to the seller.

David Roden - Akron, Ohio, USA
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[EVDL] Fw: [GGEVA] Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San Francisco

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

 Forwarding a message. No idea what works or doesn't.  Lawrence Rhodes

   - Forwarded Message - From: "bpla...@gmail.com" 
To: "gg...@groups.io" Sent: Thursday, May 
28, 2020, 7:34:32 PM PDTSubject: [GGEVA] Red 2011 Think City For Sale in San 
Francisco
 I'm parting with my red 2011 Think City. I'm including a Whispbar roof rack 
with two bike mounts, two EVSEs, and just about every spare window or body 
panel you might need. I'm in San Francisco and asking $4,995. Thanks for 
helping find her a new home! https://sfbay.craigslist.org/ 
sfc/cto/d/san-francisco-2011- think-city-22-all/7132132533. html Thanks, Brent
415-572-6989


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Re: [EVDL] Car-size fire-blanket smothers EV li-ion fire reignitions

[Bill Dube via EV]

On 6/23/2020 1:30 PM, Lawrence Winiarski wrote:
Bill Dube ->  Do you mean the solvent is flammable?  UggThat could 
be a big problem.   Do you know what is used?


Ethylene carbonate is a common li-ion cell electrolyte. Wikipedia 
explains that there are several organic solvents that are commonly used:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery#Electrolytes

None of the li-ion cells have water-based electrolyte. This is because 
the cell cannot have water in it anywhere, or air, because that would 
combine with the active lithium compounds and render them somewhat inert.


Bill D.


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