Re: [EVDL] Off-grid solar house and electric car charging

[Mr23 via EV]

3.3kW wireless charging pads exist now for electric vehicles.
Why not wireless through the roofing/deck ?

-Chris

On 6/8/2016 3:03 PM, Seth Rothenberg via EV wrote:

It's funny to see this discussion about panels.
I spent 2 hours on the roof yesterday watching
the Solar installer find a roof leak under the
junction box.   (Each person defines his own "fun" :-)
(It took about 4 years to show up in a storm)

(Apparently, they stopped the practice of gluing
the junction box to the roof.   Hopefully they also
stopped making extra holes :-)
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Re: [EVDL] Leaf range extender

[Mr23 via EV]

Thanks, Bruce, very timely for me, having looked at a used leaf tonight.

Has anyone looked into getting a second leaf pack and using 
contactors/etc to switch between packs ?

Would take up some interior space...

-Chris


On 2/17/2016 3:54 PM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:

This topic has been discussed on the Leaf forum (do a search on  range
trailer  in that forum), but know the "Enginer" company is defunct/no longer
in business. Here are some (dated) links to explore:

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=20070
Re: Increasing Nissan Leaf Range with mini battery trailer
Jun 27, 2015

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=16058
For Sale: Enginer 8khw Auxiliary Battery Pack
Mar 05, 2014

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?t=14654
Extra battery packs to extend the range,
Quote
Oct 13, 2013

(-trailers-)
http://autoweek.com/article/car-news/ep-tender-could-give-electric-cars-unlimited-range
EP Tender could give electric cars unlimited range
February 13, 2014
...
http://www.eptender.com
EP Tender  (in French)
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-EP-Tender-22kW-trailered-genset-tp4664602.html
EVLN: EP Tender 22kW trailered genset
Aug 06, 2013

http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/the-new-ebuggy-e-mobility-concept-allows-electric-cars-to-travel-any-distance-170301246.html
September 19, 2012  Contact: Dr. Manfred Baumgaertner
ebuggy GmbH Industriestrasse 25 D-70565 Stuttgart Germany
+49-711-782395-60
http://nomadicpower.de/products/
Nomadic Power
https://www.facebook.com/ebuggy.com
...
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-ebuggy-rentable-addon-pack-trailer-More-Range-Scotty-td4658133.html
EVLN: ebuggy rentable addon-pack-trailer ... !More Range Scotty!
Sep 23, 2012

https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34=34697
Leaf propane-powered micro-turbine range extending trailer
Dec 16, 2011 ... Here's my Propane-Powered combination 30kW
Quick-Charger/Range Extender ...
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1070677_2012-nissan-leaf-gets-unofficial-jet-powered-range-extender-quick-charger




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Re: [EVDL] Outdoor home EVSE: (down by the street)

[Mr23 via EV]

The -PEV is discontinued.

http://www.amazon.com/Leviton-T7591-PW-Resistant-Controlled-Guidelight/dp/B00462QOCQ


On 1/23/2016 3:19 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

I ran 100' #12 wire down to the street and put an outlet there on the
utility pole &   Put a sign over it.

The value of the effort is not the one guest we have had in 3 years that
used it, but the thousands of people that drive by and see the sign every
day..  During the night, they see the little LED pilot light.

Here are the other successful EV Charging outlets I have gotten people to
put signs over:

http://aprs.org/EV-charging-signs.html

Again, its the SIGN that is worth the effort.  People will slowly learn
that all you need is 120v L1 while parked.  And that that kind of power is
EVERYWHERE!

Rather than installing a typical $12 GFCI outlet, I splurge to get the
special one made just for EV's from Home Depot for $29 since it has the
pilot light:

http://www.homedepot.com/p/Leviton-Evr-Green-Base-Level-1-GFCI-Guide-Light-Receptacle-for-Electric-Vehicles-C27-T7591-PEV/202919213


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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hecho en Chino> How to cut Tesla-3 cost$

[Mr23 via EV]

Perhaps I've missed an update, but after the Model 3 production was 
announced the production locations were clarified. Commenting wasn't 
working on nsea website, so I sent them this comment via their contact page.


The author misinterpreted Elon Musk's comments. It has been 
clarified that Model 3 production will start in California for US 
distribution. A year later the China factory is planned to start 
production, for China distribution.


-Chris

On 12/11/2015 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


http://www.nseavoice.com/cars/2017-tesla-model-3-minimizing-cost-the-obvious-way-1005681.html
2017 Tesla Model 3: Minimizing Cost The Obvious Way
December 6, 2015

[image
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(Tesla-3)
]

We have all heard about the upcoming Model 3 and how the EV sedan is going
to be the cheapest model ever produced by Tesla Motors. Due to arrive early
in 2017, the Model 3 is aimed at attracting more gasoline drivers to make
the switch to EV.

Tesla is aware that the main ingredient for success with the Model 3 is to
pricing it cheaply. Hence, we can see the Model 3 coming out with a more
basic offering instead of being packed with luxury features.

Just recently, Tesla’s chief Elon Musk also teased that they are considering
to build the Model 3 in China. The cheap cost of labour in China will
certainly help drag the production cost down. The unfortunate thing is that
Elon didn’t specify on whether the production of the Model 3 in China will
be for the global market. It is a cheap tactic that has been practiced by
various carmakers but not a favourite method.

We personally don’t think that is going to happen and Tesla will only build
the Model 3 in China for the local Chinese market. Saving the cost of
shipping and distribution is certainly much more effective than paying
unnecessary tax and labour. Wouldn’t you agree?
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: What if 2011 LEAFs were Retrofitted to 2016 Range?

[Mr23 via EV]

I've been wondering for a few months if/when (90 mile range) EV auto 
manufacturers would announce/release retrofits for the earlier models to 
bring them up to the 125/150/176/200 mile range. Tesla has already 
established that practice, but they are building a car company and have 
(I assume) high enough margins, or believe in goodwill or writing it off 
as advertising ;-)


Does Nissan have any plans for a 2nd life for their 'spent' EV packs, 
ala Tesla ?


Jukka, I agree. Someone will put the time in.

On 6/3/2015 10:37 AM, Jukka Järvinen via EV wrote:

I wish we could have all interface details so third parties could offer
battery upgrades to old Leafs and other OEM cars. Now we just have to hack
through vaquely documented protocols and sink more RD to it. Eventually
the packs will be available anyway. I know dozen reason for OEM not to
supports us. I'm just thinking out loud here :) -Jukka
3.6.2015 17.54 Sean Korb via EV ev@lists.evdl.org kirjoitti:


I've seen bulky range extenders offered for Leafs by aftermarket vendors.
This is not a Leaf range extending kit from Nissan.  What would a Nissan
kit look like?  Just a battery replacement?  Is there a high cost for RD
and manufacturing of this kit?

I'm not sure I see a solution in the article.  It's the beginning of an
idea... but I think it will ultimately be cheaper for Nissan to pay off the
customer and walk away.  Then the aftermarket can pick up where Nissan left
off and $5k is almost half of a 20kw additional trunk pack.  They don't
have the same guarantee and it doesn't add value to the car so it is
difficult to get a bank loan against the asset... but it is a solution that
Nissan does not have to add to their portfolio.


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wrote:






http://www.torquenews.com/3618/nissan-leaf-crisis-residual-value-avert-fix-problem

Nissan Can Avert LEAF Pending Crisis If It Makes This Single Change
By Douglas Stansfield  2015-05-28

[image



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Nissan LEAF
]

Nissan’s recent offer to existing LEAF lease holders of $5000 to reduce
their residual value has presented an interesting dilemma for the
automaker.

The secondary electric car market isn’t holding its value as originally
anticipated, so Nissan’s answer was to help reduce the LEAF's residual
value
and move the cars from lease to own. This thereby shifts the steeper than
normal depreciation rate from Nissan to the now LEAF owners. The question
is
will this solidify the secondary EV market?

As an arm chair economist, I firmly believe that value is held in the
prices
one pays for the goods they purchase. At this point, the value of a

Nissan

LEAF is weighed by the current market availability and the anticipated
future availability. As with the law of diffusion of innovation, EV sales
are in the early adopter phase of the product life cycle. Consumers that
are
the early adopters most likely anticipated the battery improvements that
have been evolving so opted to lease rather than buy their first Nissan
Leafs. This leaves them open to the next generation EV which would be
available in the future. As anticipated, that philosophy will be holding
true and many Nissan LEAF leases will just give back their cars at the

end

of the lease and buy or lease a new EV. This is mostly because EVs with

200

mile range are coming.

So what is Nissan to do?
Can it develop a strategy to uphold the value of the secondary market
Nissan
Leafs? I believe it can. The published rate for a replacement Nissan LEAF
battery pack is $5499 as previously published.

What if Nissan Retrofits 2011 LEAFs to 2016 Range?
Well, what if Nissan developed a kit, that would be able to be installed

at

the local dealers to retrofit 2011 to 2016 Nissan LEAFs with an add on
battery that would push the Nissan LEAF cars on the road today up to the
200
miles range of the next version Leaf. Instead of a $5000 give back just

on

residual value, give back $5000 worth of batteries and keep the value of
the
overall used car higher?

There are many benefits to this.
 It would help solidify the used EV car market.
 It would help keep existing leases in the Nissan Family.
 It would drive future brand growth by word of mouth.
 It would increase publicity for the brand.
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http://gas2.org/2015/05/22/zero-motorcycles-announces-price-cut/
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Re: [EVDL] Success!

[Mr23 via EV]

You could try using LeafSpy to check the battery condition. 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.Turbo3.Leaf_Spy_Lite


Peri mentioned ventilating, but I would run it only when outdoor air 
temps are at least 5 degrees below indoor air temp. Night time 
pre-cooling for the following day, with added insulation.


-Chris

On 5/31/2015 2:33 PM, Willie2 via EV wrote:

On 05/31/2015 02:03 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:
So, Dad just drove Mom home in a 2013 Leaf. ~12k miles, California 
vehicle; couldn't tell it from new. There was one bar missing from 
the charge gauge; the numeric meter read, 98%.


Everybody's excited. It should be well and truly perfect for them.

One thought I had that I'm hoping somebody might be able to shed some 
insight into...they'll be keeping the car in the garage, but the 
garage isn't climate controlled. It probably won't quite get to 
today's forecasted high of 108°F inside the garage, but it'll 
definitely get rather toasty.


I've come to believe that all Leaf instrumentation is intended to 
obfuscate.


I hope 2013 means they have the  temperature controlled battery. 
But, the one bar down at only 12k miles is troubling.  At ~20k miles 
I was one bar down but had only about 65% of original range.  OTOH, 
the current owner of my Leaf is pleased with ~50 miles of range.  
Since my battery's initial degradation, we haven't had another 
terrible summer and the battery seems not to have degraded much in the 
past two years.


If your parents will be happy with ~50 miles, I imagine the car will 
serve them at least several years.  108 deg F means you are in 
Arizona?  Utah?


I believe the Leaf has a user settable charge level?  If so, I would 
caution them to never fully charge in the hot season.




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Re: [EVDL] Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

[Mr23 via EV]

Isn't the NSA a bit beyond the EVDL's charter ?

On 5/30/2015 3:58 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

On May 30, 2015, at 7:43 AM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


Same reason they can't ask for your text messages or phone information. You 
need a court order

Has anybody bothered to tell that to the NSA? Or to the local law enforcement agencies 
that work with the NSA on parallel construction? How about the marketing 
firms that buy the data outright from those who collect it and then turn around and 
re-sell it to anybody with money?

I don't believe it's illegal for private companies. It is however illegal for 
the government to do it.

As I wrote: has anybody bothered to tell the NSA that what they're doing is 
illegal?

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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Open Source Street-Legal affordable long-range EV4the masses

[Mr23 via EV]

Lee, what about hosting your spreadsheets at your website, along with 
all the other technical information?


-Chris

On 5/18/2015 5:17 PM, Lee Hart via EV wrote:

Paul Dove wrote:

When I built mine I did a spread sheet.


Ben Goren via EV wrote:

Any chance you have a copy handy and would be willing to share?


Here is a copy of the Excel spreadsheet I use for my performance 
calculations. This is a dead version for email purposes (filled out 
for my 1980 LeCar / Lectric Leopard EV), but it shows the equations 
for the calculations. Ben, I can send a live version to your email 
address if you like (let me know off-list).


Renault LeCar HP vs. Speed Calculationsby: Lee Hart

HP = rolling resistance + power train loss + aerodynamic drag

whererolling resistance = R W V / 375
R = tire roll resistance0.008
W = vehicle weight, lbs.2306
V = velocity, mph5

power train loss = C W V^2 / 375
C = loss coefficient0.0002
I^2R, gear, bearing, stirring etc.

aerodynamic drag = Cd A V^3 / 146,625
Cd = drag coefficient0.35
A = frontal area, sq.ft.18

motorADC L91   15 HP at   96 volts and   135 amps = 86% efficiency

batteries12 Concorde12 v eachweight (lbs)63
33% of curb wt144 v totalamp-hrs (20-hr rate)95
175 minutes at25 ampsPeukert amp-hrs104
621 minutes at8 ampsPeukert exponent 1.11

MPH2530354045505560
MotorHP2.673.745.076.698.6210.91 13.5716.66
Eff.66%72%77%81%84%85%86%86%
WattsIn303938634892616077019554 1176214373
Amps22283645567086105
Minutes2001531189171564536
Miles8377696154474136

A spreadsheet makes it easy to play what if... games. What if I add 
a battery? What if I change from lead-acid to lithium? What if I 
reduce the weight, or improve aerodynamics, etc.


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Re: [EVDL] Inexpensive retiree-friendly EV?

[Mr23 via EV]

The Leafs seem to be the most reliable as a population, at least I 
haven't run across information to the contrary yet, while the i3, e-Golf 
and 500e have some teething pains, the FFE has SSN events.
Is there any website with data on reliability for all/most of the 
electrics ?


On 5/6/2015 5:00 PM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

On May 6, 2015, at 2:51 PM, Peri Hartman via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


I don't follow your reasoning.  There are reasons not to like a lease but the 
fixed income aspect is not usually one of them.  In fact, often it's the 
opposite: people on fixed incomes like leases because they are predictable and 
the payments are (usually) lower than loan-to-buy payments.

Sorry...I realize I left out a detail obvious enough to me I didn't think to 
include it...they won't be getting a loan, no matter the vehicle; it'll be 
cash, with the largest share coming from the (presumed) insurance settlement, 
and, if need be (and it likely would) supplemented from savings from either or 
both them and me.


A quick search for a Leaf in my area (Seattle) shows several used ones for sale 
ranging from $11K and up.

That's likely the sort of thing we'd wind up looking at.

I guess what I'm asking from the list...is advice on which models are most 
likely to be good values as used vehicles given all the other considerations -- 
hot climate, ~50 mile range, freeway capable, reliable, etc.

...and possibly as well advice on what to avoid...I seem to remember Leafs up 
to a certain year died quick deaths in the heat...?

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Re: [EVDL] Tell Toyota what you think of their Fool cell vehicle

[Mr23 via EV]

Bob, thanks for writing in about your effort and the response. It 
spurred me into action, I went there and submitted my thoughts on the 
Prius (I have an '02, and on the newest models), but more so on the FCV 
vs BEV debate. Perhaps many of us could sway them, eventually.

Thanks again,
-Chris

On 4/23/2015 5:03 PM, Robert Bruninga via EV wrote:

Earlier today, I  got an email from Toyota promoting their Fool Cell
vehicle (with no reply address).

So I went to the Toyota web site and found the CONTACT link and filled out
an on-line email telling them to stop throwing good money after bad in
last years ideas (Fool cells) and to come out with a competitive Toyota
BEV...

IN less than 3 hours, I got a response:

We are sorry to hear of your concerns with Toyota's positioning of the
fuel cell vehicle. We respect your opinions regarding both
battery-electric vehicles and the FCV, and have documented your comments
at our National Headquarters, where they remain available for review from
the appropriate departments. It is through feedback such as yours we are
able to monitor and improve upon the quality of our products and
services.

If they are actively sending out a broad reach advertising campaign for
their FCV, then they are also obviously open to feedback!

Bob, WB4APR
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Re: [EVDL] Cmax solar concept.

[Mr23 via EV]

They should lighten up the vehicle first.  2015 = 3,859 lbs
They should add V2H/V2G first. So I can run my house off the car when 
the grid goes down.
Vehicles moving by themselves in an open space is not a good idea. 
Injuries will occur; or a more extensive locked-out 'carport' is 
required. The 'carport' however could incorporate the movement in the 
upper section with much less risk.
The carport will need a cover to inactivate while the car is gone, 
unless the lenses are actively defocused (I believe they said fixed). 
How many folks of approximately C-Max height might otherwise walk 
underneath that carport at the wrong time.
When the Ford ages and the springs sag, the top will no longer be in the 
same focus plane, unless they're going to active suspension too. Might 
as well tilt the whole car then ;-)
Ford's history of poor paint lifetime especially on horizontal surfaces. 
Place your bets on the surrounding roof area.
I'd like to see Ford first lick the SSN (Stop Safely Now) problems on 
their EV and Hybrids. Even recent FFE's are still getting it. 
http://www.myfocuselectric.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=19054


I think there is still a place for some solar on the car. Especially 
since Ford (and others) can't seem to figure out how to otherwise 
maintain the 12V house battery.
But I would lose the carport concept and go with the house integrated 
solar, and add local storage/dump charge capability.


On 4/21/2015 2:37 PM, Jay Summet via EV wrote:

YouTube url:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fc2rZC4vSqQ


I believe this has been discussed on the list before.
 Issues I remember:
   -on 300 watts of power under full sunlight, so needs a solar 
concentrator carport to give more power. (how much more is not 
strictly specified, but it looks to be 5-10x the surface area, so 
perhaps as much as 1.5kW-2kW  of charging...so L1 or very slow L2?)
   -Car has to move (very slowly) throughout the day to stay under the 
focus spot of the solar carport. (orientation of carport must be 
correct as well.

   -Top of car roof will get HOT with concentrated sunlight on it.

I don't think any of the above are deal breakers, especially if the 
car can automatically roll down it's windows while charging under full 
sun.


Jay



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Re: [EVDL] postal delivery

[Mr23 via EV]

The FB link shows it is our Martin...

Website

 * http://www.winlow.co.uk http://www.winlow.co.uk/
 * http://www.evalbum.com/2092 http://www.evalbum.com/2092


On 3/22/2015 11:19 AM, Michael Ross via EV wrote:

OT, please forgive me.

How many Martin Winlow's be there?  I just saw a posting on
spaceflightnow.com regarding helium and SpaceX rockets by Martin WInlow.
It is bordering on a large coincidence to run across the same person out on
the interweb.

http://spaceflightnow.com/2015/03/21/spacex-swaps-order-of-next-two-falcon-9-launches/

Mike

On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 5:46 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:


Here in the UK we have what are called 'life-style couriers' - people who
use their own cars to deliver (and collect) parcels on behalf of a courier
company (eg myHermes and CollectPlus).  They do this part time, generally,
and therefore are able to fit their courier duties in around other jobs,
housewifery, kids etc.  I would think their courier-ing needs would be
ideally met by even a small, modern EV - i-MiEV/LEAF - but better still a
Renault Kangoo EV which can be bought very cheaply these days (used) but
don't have the benefit of the CHAdeMO rapid charge (they have their own but
its not as rapid nor is the infrastructure as advanced as CHAdeMO).  I
would have thought they could double their income.  They all use family
cars anyway so space is not going to be a problem.  I must pin down my
local reps and ask them how many miles they do a day...

As for the USPS seems like the posties who use their own vehicle (if they
still do) could lead the pack but maybe the miles they do just doesn't work
for currently available EVs?

Regards, Martin Winlow
Herts, UK
http://www.evalbum.com/2092
www.winlow.co.uk




On 21 Mar 2015, at 19:11, Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


K O via EV wrote:

My postal carrier would sure switch! He always delivers the mail to me

when I am working on my EV so he can see the progress..beats taking the
stairs too!Ian Wright may be better placed to offer a free truck as that is
what his new company is building.. He was an early Tesla designer, built
the Wrightspeed, with a T-zero motor if i recall correctly.

BTW I blew my DC-DC converter of 12 years+, a Zivan, Any endorsements

for current market products out there? Willing to test your product in
development = I will be showing at this year 10th anniversary Makers Faire
in San Mateo,CA seeya,KO

Both my dad and a cousin worked at the Post Office.

My dad was a gear-head... ICEs forever, EVs will never fly, etc. He

saw the EV trials as a waste of time and money. He was even a union steward
for a time in the NALC (National Association of Letter Carriers) union.
They had an adversarial relationship with management; so anything
management likes, the union automatically hates. It was (and maybe still
is) just about impossible to fire anyone. That makes it a tough environment
for change.

Now my cousin was much younger. He worked a rural route where he used

his own car, instead of a free postal vehicle. The way the reimbursement
schedule was set up, the cheaper he could drive, the more money he made. He
*did* see the merits of an EV, and even considered using my surplus
ComutaVan for his route. But he was discouraged from this by the other
gear-heads in the service (if I don't drive a manly vehicle, I'll be
ridiculed).

Like I said; a tough environment for change. :-(


Excellent idea Lee - I can see it now. Postperson enters Tesla Showroom

and says

'I drive a Tesla Mail Carrier for work, now I want the Model S for

play.'

Maybe if the postperson's spouse is an investment banker.

But seriously... someone like Tesla *could* build a delivery vehicle

that was fun and exciting to drive. THAT would get the gear-heads to pay
attention. Wow, Bubba! You got one them 'lectrical thangs! How fast does
it go? C'mon, make it burn rubber agin!

--
We cannot waste time. We can only waste ourselves.
   -- George Matthew Adams
--
Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, leeah...@earthlink.net

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Re: [EVDL] Bill Dube': Turning over a Used Leaf :-)

[Mr23 via EV]

Bruce (et al), some enlightening information/charts about Leafs (etc) 
wrt heating.


http://news.fleetcarma.com/2014/01/22/electric-vehicle-heating-chevrolet-volt-nissan-leaf/?utm_source=Cold-Updateutm_medium=Blogutm_campaign=aux-load

http://www.fleetcarma.com/nissan-leaf-chevrolet-volt-cold-weather-range-loss-electric-vehicle/

http://www.electricvehiclewiki.com/?title=Battery_Capacity_Loss#Factors_Affecting_Battery_Capacity_Loss 
(see regional/city coefficient table near bottom, then check 
VIN/carfax/autocheck/ or servicing dealer records for historical 
location(s))


-Chris

On 12/22/2014 2:36 AM, brucedp5 via EV wrote:


[ref
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/PNAS-report-cites-study-that-EV-s-pollute-more-than-gas-cars-tp4673112p4673145.html
]

Bill might have found a better EV-deal using
https://usedcars.truecar.com/cars/location-Denver+CO/fuel-Electric/sort-1

Bill did not state what trim his 2012 Leaf was but that year's model only
came with a half-powered 3.3kW L2 on-board charger. Here is an image of his
Leaf (from his facebook page)
https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t1.0-9/10857762_772334439469813_4119142648659159189_n.jpg?oh=1f391323d64761bd5fc37f431401a33doe=5535BCDB

As far as modifying his Leaf (as one member posted), I suggest he upgrade
the on-board charger to a full 6.6kW. According to the Leaf forum, Ingineer
offers that. Here is an image of one
https://scontent-b-sjc.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/p180x540/304394_10151254322388488_892931413_n.jpg?oh=b7f24899b6966da27df4f75d18404761oe=55366C9D
  and the page mentioning it
https://www.facebook.com/groups/BayLeafs/permalink/417230061667994/

Here are links to explore:

http://www.leaftalk.co.uk/showthread.php/8737-Ingineer-add-3-4kW-AC-charger-upgrade-to-2011-Leaf-%286-7kW-total-charging%29

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=9t=9552
An aftermarket kit to improve charging to 6.6kW

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=4t=11235
6.6 Kw LEAF Charger

http://evdl.org/archive/index.html
http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/EVLN-3k-Sadow-s-proto-6kW-EVSE-charges-Leaf-in-3hrs-80-tp4656950.html
EVLN: ~$3k Sadow’s proto-6kW-EVSE charges Leaf in 3hrs:80%

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Leaf_Battery_Application
Leaf Spy Manual

http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/index.php?title=Battery_Capacity_Loss#Battery_Aging_Model
Battery Aging Model Spreadsheet


Bill stated his 2012 Leaf does have the L3 CHAdeMO port, so he can use
public L3 quick charging. There is plenty of free L3 in the Denver CO area
for him to take advantage of.

Bill mentioned that there are plenty of ChargePoint EVSE in his area. The
ChargePoint EVSE page is not that bad a tool for finding public EVSE:

-it does show more than just 'their brand' of the EVSE (classified as other)

-and it does allow comments to be placed on each listing.

However when I compare the same region for the ChargePoint site and the
plugshare.com site, plugshare shows 50% more L2 and 80% more L3 public EVSE
(both sites show all EVSE by default).

Also, plughsare had more up-to-date information, pictures, and the actual
cost to use non-ChargePoint EVSE.

Of all the plugin drivers I have talked-to that regularly use Chargepoint,
say they like it to the point of not looking any further (to use any other
EVSE finder tool), nor EVSE brand.

IMO (as a charging-nut) I feel that is a big mistake, as while the
ChargePoint site might satify most of the driver's needs most of the time,
it would be wise to have the expereince in using plugshare even if it only
used as a backup EVSE finder tool. Plugshare is free to use, and you only
need to be a member if you want to find out about the private L1 sites, or
upload pictures, etc.

As I have mentioned in the past of a VA Dr. that had leased a Leaf but had
never even tried out his L3 to gain that experience (he had only used his
slow 3kW L2 = painful for those few times when you are in a hurry).

I hope Bill can consider upgrading his on-board L2 to 6kW so it will charge
faster and he can enjoy his Leaf EV more. Looking at his public EVSE
environment, there is a lot of free L32 EVSE where he is located. But that
will change once the 1yr Fed. Gov. limitation period is over (cities like to
set a use-fee to show no one is geting a free ride).

Of the EVSE in his area that is not free, about half charge by the hour.
That is where having a full power L2 6kW on-board charge is really good to
have (you charge quicker, so it costs you less for the charge). Those EVSE
that charge by the amount of pwer used (pkWh) it is the same amount of money
whether you have a 3kW or 6kW on-board charge,  but a 6kW charge charges to
80%SOC ~twice a fast (~3hrs vs ~8hrs), and any parking fees would be less
from less time parked.

I also hope Bill can try out using the free L3 EVSE in his area (best to try
it now while it still is free).

And I hope Bill keeps us informed if he makes any

Re: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.

[Mr23 via EV]

Roland, Mark, et al,

After posting Roland's comments somewhere else (MN PluginEV group on 
FB), another member challenged it. Digging into the web I found that:


Apparently the project was due online in 2014 but was cancelled. 
http://sequestration.mit.edu/tools/projects/antelope_valley.html
A nearby plant in Bell Creek Montana did apparently go online in 2013 
http://sequestration.mit.edu/tools/projects/bell_creek.html.


Roland, could you check your source?

Thanks,
-Chris

On 12/21/2014 11:42 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV wrote:

Can you give me some references where I might find more information about this 
plant, like their permit to operate or PSD permit (this is an attainment area, 
right?)?

This sounds kinda like the perpetual motion machine equivalent in the air 
quality field, but I'm always open to hearing about new things.

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 21, 2014, at 8:21 AM, Roland via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


As more coal plants are converted to 0% direct air pollution, then this will be 
no problem.  We have one coal generating plant about 460 miles east of us that 
is in North Dakota.  It has been converted to a 0% direct air pollution.  There 
is no main stack that releases CO2 and/or other compounds in the air.



Also there is no train and trucks that deliver the coal to the coal plant. The 
large mining equipment only uses electric power that comes from this coal 
plant.  The coal is deliver by large electric drive conveyers that are miles 
long.



The coal is deliver to a coal processor where it is reduce to a fine dust that 
is blown in from the bottom and at the top of the coal plant.  As the coal 
combines together in the middle of the stack, it is ignited.  The exhaust comes 
out of the side of the stack and goes down to generators that produce the 
electricity.



The exhaust exits out of the generator that goes to processor plant to separate 
the compounds to be sold to manufacturers.  The CO2 is deliver to the oil 
fields in North Dakota and Canada, where it is injected into the oil formations 
which increases the specific gravity of the oil to above 25% which it then can 
be pipe directly to oil refineries with out pre-processing to get it to the 
specific gravity that is needed to pump into a oil pipe line.



We have one pipe line that comes from Canada that goes to Great Falls, Montana 
to a converted refinery that processes this oil.  We sneak that one in before 
it got delay like the Tar Sand oil pipe line.  Note, they do not pipe TAR SAND 
oil which is the asphalt base of this oil.  It is pre-refine to get it to a 
certain specific gravity, so it can be pump into a pipe line and becomes the 
same specific gravity as the oils in the U.S.



I use about 2.5 gallons of this oil products in my EV, which is 12 gts for the 
transmission, 6 gts for the differential, 5 qts for the hydraulic pumps for the 
power steering and power brakes.  Then there is the greases for all the 
bearings.



I get the electricity from the indirect power of the sun and gravity.  Water 
rising from the oceans, falling back down through hydro dams of which we have 
five here in Great Falls. One has just been converted with power houses off the 
river instead of the standard dam type.



Roland


- Original Message -

From: Danny Ames via EVmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org

To: Electric Vehicle Discussion Listmailto:ev@lists.evdl.org ; 
Sfevamailto:sf...@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2014 12:36 AM

Subject: [EVDL] PNAS report cites study that EV's pollute more than gas cars.



Report is titled: Life cycle air quality impacts of conventional andalternative 
light-duty transportation in theUnited States

It seems the main stream press has taken this to task citing the PNAS report 
that EV's cars can pollute more than gas cars.

Thus making the case for EVs more difficult to defend. What I'm not sure is the 
report did not take into consideration I believe is the amount of electricity 
to make the fuel. This single fact I think would
significantly alter the report to favor EV cars over gas.

Of course their many of other reasons to drive EV's over ICE gas cars.


Some major news outlets and even my local news station KPIX TV started citing a new report 
http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/12/10/1406853111.full.pdf#page=1view=FitHhttp://www.pnas.org/content/early/2014/12/10/1406853111.full.pdf#page=1view=FitH
 from the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. That EV's
pollute more than gas cars when you take in the energy to manufacture
the EV and batteries. What I could not find in the report so far is
citing the amount of energy it takes to make 1 gallon of gas. As cited
here 
http://gatewayev.org/how-much-electricity-is-used-refine-a-gallon-of-gasolinehttp://gatewayev.org/how-much-electricity-is-used-refine-a-gallon-of-gasoline
 it takes 6KW for 1 gallon of fuel.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: INR2.5M 1Megameter Supernova Sports EV r:1Mm ts:150kph

[Mr23 via EV]

Do lithiums charge 4x faster than lead acid? Is this market positioning 
on their part?
It might be apples and oranges, with the center 60-80% of the lithium 
pack used, and say 100% of the lead acid, of course it will take hours 
longer to take lead to 100%.


That black striping looks horrible.  Among other things.
-Chris

On 12/5/2014 10:50 AM, Ben Goren via EV wrote:

On Dec 5, 2014, at 1:56 AM, brucedp5 via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:


The car, which has already an order list of 250 units, will cost between 1.5
to 2.5 million Indian rupees (24,000 to 40,200 USD).

[...]

The car can achieve a maximum speed of 150 km per hour and
according to Vyas it will come in three battery options, the lead acid,
lithium ion and supercapacitors. “For each charge, the car can go 1,000 kms.
The lead acid version would take eight hours to charge, the lithium ion
battery would take two hours to charge, and the supercapacitors would take
less than five minutes to charge,” he claimed.

Is it just me, or does this seem too good to be true? That's twice the range of 
the Tesla...on lead acids? A supercap car for $40K? Supercaps that charge that 
much faster than A123 / CALB batteries -- and a charger that can handle the 
current? And a paltry 150 km/h limit for a low-slung wide-track aerodynamic car 
with battery pack with those specs?

I like the DeLorean / '80s Lamborghini styling. And, hell, if it's for real, I 
could even imagine saving up a few pennies for one -- or, at least, its battery 
pack.

I'm just very, very, very skeptical that the claims will survive past the 
showroom floor.

b
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