Re: [EVDL] Leaf on a peg board.

[Stephen via EV]

Here's even better... 2 folks have independently created their own
inverters for the Leaf motor, and one is installed in CRX. I can't to see
what kind of power they are able to make.
https://endless-sphere.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=30=63982=75

Regards,
Stephen

On Thu, Feb 25, 2016 at 10:09 AM, Mark Abramowitz via EV 
wrote:

> But can it take me to the grocery store?
>
> Very cool video!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Feb 25, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
> wrote:
> >
> > Looks like the Leaf can be modified like any other car.  This brings
> gear head to a new level. Lawrence Rhodes
> >
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McvDjpdcBw0
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Re: [EVDL] Mild hybrid = VW is claiming new EVs will use 48-volt systems

[Stephen via EV]

The switch to 48V being referred to here is the switch from 12V to 48V for
the battery used for the lighting, switches, etc. 48V will allow for much
smaller gauge wire and overall lower weight in the car. It is not referring
to the HV traction battery.

Regards,
Stephen

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:34 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
> I saw this story days ago but decided to wait because I thought it was
> worded wrong.
> There is an existing production 48V EV, the Mahindra E2O:
>
> http://mahindrareva.com/product/specifications
> TECHNICAL ...
> Power   19 KW @ 3750 rpm
> Torque  53.9 N-m @ (0-3400 rpm)
> Battery 48V maintenance-free Lithium-ion ...
>
> Then I remembered about mild hybrids being pushed in the newswires I sieve
> through:
>
> https://google.com/search?q=mild+hybrid+48v
> Mild hybrid with start-stop tech using a 48V pack
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mild_hybrid#General_Motors
>
> Here is an IEEE piece on micro hybrids use mild hybrid with start-stop
> designs:
>
>
> http://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/efficiency/microhybrids-hold-the-key-to-future-auto-fuel-efficiency
> Micro-Hybrids Hold the Key to Future Auto Fuel Efficiency
> 7 Jan 2016
>
> In 2003 at EVS-20 mild hybrids were much yakked about as a cheap way for
> automakers to improve their mpg.
>
>
> http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/public-invited-to-electric-weekend-in-long-beach-hosted-by-electric-drive-transportation-association-72909092.html
> EVS-20 (Electric Vehicle Symposium 20 in Long Beach, CA 2003)
> http://brucedp03.150m.com/evs-20/
>
> It wasn't until a few years ago that automakers began implemented mild
> hybrid designs:
>
>
> http://blog.caranddriver.com/hands-on-with-audi%E2%80%99s-electric-turbo-diesel-hybrid-systems-info-on-new-efficiency-assistant-2012-paris-auto-show/
> September 28, 2012 ... mild-hybrid system called iHEV ...
>
> Bottom line: IMO the 48V VW is as David posted, actually a mild hybrid.
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] Looking for an AH meter, pack powered, circular 2" mounting hole

[Stephen via EV]

I've been using it as a secondary gauge and it works fine.

Regards,
Stephen

On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Lee Hart via EV  wrote:

> Cor van de Water via EV wrote:
>
>> Apparently it is Mastervolt indeed,
>> they have a BattMan Pro and a BattMan Lite
>> http://www.mastervolt.us/new-products/
>> It looks like the Pro has a large digit readout and stores past events
>> while the Lite has a large bar readout (and small digits) and no
>> history.
>> http://www.mastervolt.us/products/battery-monitoring-panels/battman-pro/
>> http://www.mastervolt.us/products/battery-monitoring-panels/battman-lite
>>
>
> Mastervolt was yet another of many competitors that Xantrex bought out.
>
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Re: [EVDL] Looking for an AH meter, pack powered, circular 2" mounting hole

[Stephen via EV]

I think this might be what you want:
http://evolveelectrics.com/displays/tbs-e-xpert-pro/

Regards,
Stephen

On Tue, Jan 19, 2016 at 9:43 AM, Jay Summet via EV 
wrote:

> I'm looking for an AH meter for my truck. I want to put it into the hole
> that will be left by a Curtis 900R (lead acid) battery monitor in my dash,
> so the form factor should be a round automotive 2" diameter panel type.
>
> I'm willing to pay extra to have it powered by the pack (118-135 volts)
> and not require an isolated 12 volt supply. I'm willing to pay extra to
> have it use a hall effect sensor (as opposed to a shunt), as I don't need
> it to be terribly accurate and for my mounting position a hall effect will
> be easier/cleaner.
>
> Ideally I'd like to wire it up to pack +/- and the magnetic current sensor
> and be done.
>
> Suggestions?
>
> Jay
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2015 CA pih-Green HOV Stickers> Limit-hit/ran-out

[Stephen via EV]

I've had the same results recently... Since 2010 there is an added ARB list
of vehicles which the application vehicle must be on in order to get the
sticker.

Regards,
Stephen

On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Cor van de Water via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
wrote:

> Mike,
> You must have received this sticker before CARB started re-interpreting
> the law. My previous EV also received its white stickers, I believe in
> 2006.
> In 2011 I applied for white stickers for my current EV and was denied,
> even though the vehicle is registered as EV (fuel "E") by DMV, the
> explanation being that only vehicles on the list of
> manufacturer-qualified vehicles can receive (new) stickers.
>
> Cor van de Water
> Chief Scientist
> Proxim Wireless
>
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>
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> -Original Message-
> From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Mike Beem via
> EV
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2016 4:33 PM
> To: Stephen; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2015 CA pih-Green HOV Stickers>
> Limit-hit/ran-out
>
> My '87 Escort EV (http://www.evalbum.com/4181) has the white sticker. It
> often is the reason people ask "Is that an electric vehicle?"
> I didn't know that there was any restriction...
> Michael B
>
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 4:22 PM, Stephen via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> wrote:
>
> > If only they would allow conversions to get the white stickers...
> >
> > Regards,
> > Stephen
> >
> > On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:01 AM, brucedp5 via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > % Dealership owners like selling pih more than selling EVs> more
> > > back-end/return-trip maintenance/repair profits %
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.hybridcars.com/max-limit-for-california-green-hov-stickers-re
> ached-once-again/
> > > Max Limit For California Green HOV Stickers Reached Once Again
> > > December 21, 2015  Brian Ro
> > >
> > > [image] (pih)
> > > Last week, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) announced that
> the
> > cap
> > > for green solo-access High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) stickers for
> plug-in
> > > hybrids had been reached.
> > >
> > > In a posting to its official website, CARB issued a statement [
> > > http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm
> > > ] saying that all of the allotted 85,000 green HOV stickers had been
> > > disbursed, and that future applications received would be placed
> into a
> > > waiting queue in the event legislation authorizing more stickers to
> be
> > > issued is approved.
> > >
> > > "IMPORTANT NOTICE: The 85,000 statutory Green Clean Air Vehicle
> Decal
> > > limit has been reached. The DMV will continue to accept applications
> > > without
> > > payment to establish a queue for requesters should an additional
> amount
> > of
> > > decals be authorized. There is no guarantee that additional decals
> will
> > be
> > > authorized in the coming months. Those individuals in the queue will
> be
> > > notified to submit payment if additional decals are approved.
> Updates
> > will
> > > be provided here as more information becomes available."
> > >
> > > Plug-in hybrids (PHEV) such as the Chevy Volt, BMW i3 REx, and Ford
> > Fusion
> > > and C-Max Energi are eligible for the green HOV sticker, lucrative
> to
> > > drivers in California as they can cut commute times significantly
> during
> > > rush hour on congested freeways.
> > >
> > > Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) such as the Tesla Model S and
> Nissan
> > Leaf
> > > are eligible for the white HOV sticker, which has no allotment
> > > restrictions.
> > > The green and white stickers, both set to expire on Jan. 1 2019,
> allow
> > > single occupant vehicles to travel in carpool lanes normally
> reserved for
> > > vehicles carrying two or more people.
> > >
> > > Limits on green HOV stickers have been reached thr

Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 2015 CA pih-Green HOV Stickers> Limit-hit/ran-out

[Stephen via EV]

If only they would allow conversions to get the white stickers...

Regards,
Stephen

On Sat, Dec 26, 2015 at 12:01 AM, brucedp5 via EV  wrote:

>
>
> % Dealership owners like selling pih more than selling EVs> more
> back-end/return-trip maintenance/repair profits %
>
>
> http://www.hybridcars.com/max-limit-for-california-green-hov-stickers-reached-once-again/
> Max Limit For California Green HOV Stickers Reached Once Again
> December 21, 2015  Brian Ro
>
> [image] (pih)
> Last week, the California Air Resources Board (CARB) announced that the cap
> for green solo-access High Occupancy Vehicle (HOV) stickers for plug-in
> hybrids had been reached.
>
> In a posting to its official website, CARB issued a statement [
> http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/carpool/carpool.htm
> ] saying that all of the allotted 85,000 green HOV stickers had been
> disbursed, and that future applications received would be placed into a
> waiting queue in the event legislation authorizing more stickers to be
> issued is approved.
>
> “IMPORTANT NOTICE: The 85,000 statutory Green Clean Air Vehicle Decal
> limit has been reached. The DMV will continue to accept applications
> without
> payment to establish a queue for requesters should an additional amount of
> decals be authorized. There is no guarantee that additional decals will be
> authorized in the coming months. Those individuals in the queue will be
> notified to submit payment if additional decals are approved. Updates will
> be provided here as more information becomes available.”
>
> Plug-in hybrids (PHEV) such as the Chevy Volt, BMW i3 REx, and Ford Fusion
> and C-Max Energi are eligible for the green HOV sticker, lucrative to
> drivers in California as they can cut commute times significantly during
> rush hour on congested freeways.
>
> Battery electric vehicles (BEVs) such as the Tesla Model S and Nissan Leaf
> are eligible for the white HOV sticker, which has no allotment
> restrictions.
> The green and white stickers, both set to expire on Jan. 1 2019, allow
> single occupant vehicles to travel in carpool lanes normally reserved for
> vehicles carrying two or more people.
>
> Limits on green HOV stickers have been reached three times previously, with
> a 15,000-sticker increase being approved by California legislators shortly
> after each time. The last such increase, approved in June of this year,
> increased the limit of green stickers from 70,000 to the current limit of
> 85,000. There is currently no legislation known being officially considered
> to increase the current cap from 85,000.
>
> A recent study by UCLA’s Luskin Center for Innovation concluded that 40
> percent of electric vehicles purchased in California from 2010 to 2013 were
> influenced by HOV-lane access incentives.
>
> If new legislation is not approved, predicting the precise effect of the
> lack of green HOV sticker availability on PHEV sales moving forward is
> difficult. However, manufacturers have in the past placed particular
> importance on ensuring their vehicles are eligible for such incentives.
>
> In Feb. 2012, Chevrolet announced mid-cycle tweaks to the emissions system
> of the 2012 Chevy Volt that made it eligible for California purchase
> incentives as well as the much-coveted HOV-lane stickers.
>
> Prior to officially going on sale in the U.S. in 2014, BMW propositioned
> CARB to allow the range-extended (REx) version of the BMW i3 to be eligible
> for white HOV sticker. The automaker went so far as to seek a new “BEVx”
> designation category for its i3 REx, which it succeeded in doing, though
> the
> REx version ended up being eligible for only the green HOV sticker.
>
> Potential buyers of PHEVs in California that had been making their purchase
> contingent on receiving the green HOV stickers may now be forced to
> reconsider their options if new legislation for raising the current cap is
> not announced.
> [© hybridcars.com]
> ...
>
> http://www.contracostatimes.com/bay-area-news/ci_29295327/green-carpool-stickers-all-gone
> California's 85,000 green carpool stickers are all gone
> [December 22, 2015]
> ...
>
> http://www.hybridcars.com/california-green-hov-stickers-for-phevs-almost-maxed-out-again/
> California Green HOV Stickers For PHEVs Almost Maxed Out – Again
> November 23, 2015
> ...
> [dated]
>
> http://www.hybridcars.com/hov-access-is-key-for-california-plug-in-car-purchases/
> HOV Access Is Key For California Plug-in Car Purchases
> July 14, 2014
>
>
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Re: [EVDL] cooling pack, motor etc.

[Stephen via EV]

These are apparently what's in the Volt pack:
http://www.torquenews.com/119/volt-battery-uses-dana-corp-fins-maintain-temperature

Regards,
Stephen

On Tue, Oct 6, 2015 at 10:53 AM, Rush Dougherty via EV 
wrote:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xh_7sJhjYg
>
> Here's a pretty cool, heh, heh, video about cooling possibilities - pack,
> motor,
> radiator etc. I found it looking for ways of cooling A123 20A Pouches. No
> idea
> about the price.
>
> Rush
> www.TucsonEV.com
>
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Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales Better? It's the battery.

[Stephen via EV]

EVs aren't the answer for everyone... Different horses for different
courses...

Regards,
Stephen

On Tue, May 19, 2015 at 12:52 PM, Paul Dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 First off, there are hundreds of options in personal transportation. Not
 one vehicle fits all needs so person must choose. This doesn't change just
 because you're driving and electric vehicle it doesn't suit all needs but
 neither does a truck or station wagon or Corvette you get the picture. As
 for the BMW it has extended range have another 70 or 80 miles on gasoline.

 Sent from my iPhone

  On May 19, 2015, at 2:35 PM, Arak Leatham via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:
 
  wow, so I see, your answer for the general public is to live where EV's
 will work? That's very draconic of you, and presumptive. I live where I
 live because I must.
 
  This is the reason many people drop out of the EV interest, obtuse
 requirements and limitations.
 
  If you are trying to save the planet, by scrunching all people to less
 than 30mi from work? That's not a sustainable goal(for many reasons). But
 of course, everyone living more than 30 isn't either. The real answer is
 limiting world population's to less than 5billion and we know that won't
 fly either.
 
  Seriously, I checked with BMW, the price is $46k. The range is
 70-80miles. The price is way too high and range too short to suit my need.
 
  Anyway, I'm back to dropping out until a more amenable world of ideas
 prevails. Point done. I leave the floor.
 
 
 
 
 
 
  Arak Leatham - ( My hobby: I want 300 MPG )
 
  Date: Tue, 19 May 2015 15:14:18 -0400
  To: ev@lists.evdl.org
  Subject: Re: [EVDL] FW: Design News: Why Aren't Electrical Cars Sales
 Better? It's the battery.
  From: ev@lists.evdl.org
 
  I would argue that you're living or working in the wrong place. 42 miles
  each way is a waste of your time and of gasoline or electricity.
 
  --Rick
 
  On 05/19/2015 01:05 PM, Arak Leatham via EV wrote:
  I admit I'm not sure how that plays out for everyone.
 
  I had the decision myself recently, I drive 42 miles each way. I had
  to balance out a moderate credit score and a super tight budget, and
  monthly costs. And I don't want or have the ability to charge at my
  work location. (unless it were flow batteries and as easy as petrol,
  5min ok, 10min not so much)
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Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences

[Stephen via EV]

Not sure why you think Enerdel could be LiFePO4 (3.3V nom)... They
are LiMn2O4 (LMO). Nice batteries.

Regards,
Stephen

On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 I wonder why their website is so skimpy, given they seem to be legit.  Do
 they actually make the cells in the US, or just assemble the packs?

 I downloaded the spec sheet.

 http://www.enerdel.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Cell-Binder.pdf

 What I see in terms of cycle life is not instructive.  The product page
 says:
 

- Durability and low self-discharge; retains greater than 85% of initial
capacity after more than 3,000 cycles at 100% DOD and 30°C
​

 They cut off charging at 4.1V and call that 100% SOC.  They say the nominal
 voltage is 3.6V.  This sounds like a LiFePO4 voltage.  But, it is a guess​
 - they don't reveal it.

 LFP is particularly vulnerable to deterioration at lower temperatures than
 other cell chemistries.  At 35°C (104°F) LFP starts to have accelerating
 deterioration.  It would be interesting to see how close to the 45°C line
 that they do show is to the 35°C line that they don't show.  The best of
 all information would be a family of curves that illustrates the region
 where deterioration accelerates.

 The graph on the spec sheet shows a 30°C curve that has only ~75% of
 capacity at 3000 cycles, not 85%.  So I am confused about that
 information.​
 ​
 ​


 I am going to digress to my pet topic here, cell testing:

 They have a C/2 charge and discharge rate. So the cycles are 1 hour start
 to finish.  They don't indicate a dwell time at the max SOC. So they take
 it up and immediately bring it back down.   Also the test equipment must be
 capable of sensing the decrease in capacity very precisely.  Not many
 people have this equipment, yet.  If understand why HOC is better and
 we push for it , then eventually it will supplant what is used now.  The
 video I keep linking to- Dr. Dahn discuss
 ​es​
 this in some detail.

 If high precision coulometry (HPC) is used, then you have better chance of
 knowing about the cells true durability in service.   WIth HPC y
 ou can have far few
 ​er​
 cycles and detect damage if you just hold at the fully charged state and
 temperature
 ​ - nothing much else matters​
 .  But
 ​,​
 if the idea is to show lots of cycles, not actually evaluate how NOT to
 operate the cells, then you run cycles like they have
 ​ (​
 and most everyone else in the business).​

 I am not say they are bad guys, but pointing out the problem with the bad
 old ways of testing cells.

 The problem that kills Li ion cells is the fully charged state
 a coinciding with higher temperature. The mechanism of damage is achieving
 a reaction activation energy when the cell is fully charged.  Below that
 temperature there is far less of a problem.   To evaluate the cell quality
 of design and manufacture you actually need to see at what conditions the
 cells deteriorate.

 You could take the same physical cells and use
 different electrolyte packages, test them with 1 hour cycles and see no
 difference, but with HPC and long dwell times you could
 tell which combination is better.  This is where the industry need to go.

  Mike


 On Sun, Mar 29, 2015 at 10:31 PM, Jeff Major via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

  Hello EVDL,
 
  EnerDel makes a great cell and battery here in the USA.  I have been to
  their factory in the Indianapolis area many times.  I use the product
 just
  about every day.  I can write more but want to see if this message makes
 to
  thru to the board.
  Regards,
  Jeff Major
 
 
 
   On Sunday, March 29, 2015 9:09 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV 
  ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:
 
 
   Their contact info shows their location as,Greenfield .Ind May be
  someone in the vicinity can pay them a visit.
 
  regards
  hg
 
  - Original Message -
 
  From: Michael Ross via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
  To: Mike mska...@cox.net, Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
  ev@lists.evdl.org
  Sent: Monday, March 30, 2015 12:09:01 AM
  Subject: Re: [EVDL] ENERDEL Battery Experiences
 
  Mike,
 
  Caveat emptor.
 
  A US company, but I can't see any information on the website that tells
 me
  they have a good cell, modules or packs. It is rather uninformative. I
  can't tell if they are more than an outlet for a non-US company.
 
  To me the most important thing to know is what they cells are made of,
 and
  have they had useful life testing; which is to say high precision
  coulometry. WIthout that knowledge there I very little about the life
 spec
  that is comforting. This will be hard to get from any manufacturer
 because
  it is new. But the usual life testing is very weak. If you find out more
  about the actual chemistry then you could look into that. Kick it around
  on thes forum.
 
  They say nothing about their US facilities. If I had to guess they are
  made overseas and branded ENRDEL. I would want to know more about that
  manufacturing.
 
  They do not cite a 

Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)

[Stephen via EV]

I have one of these, and it has been working great!

Regards,
Stephen

On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rod Hower via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 Jay,
 I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements

 http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger-open-source-59210.html

 they have kits and detailed info here,
 http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics



 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV 
 ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:



 I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v
 lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the
 future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo).

 Requirements:
   -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between
 Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells.

   -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds.
Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end.
   I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around.
(Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40
 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed
 for current limit.)

   -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts.
 I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a
 super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if
 the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40
 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range.


 Features I'd like:
-I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a
 kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want
 to have to source parts from all over...)

   -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a
 separate AC relay...)

   -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but
 as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp
 draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap.

   -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data
 logging would be very nice, but is not needed.

 My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be
 closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it
 supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging...

 Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from?

 Thanks,
 Jay


 P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are
 both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing
 them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades.

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Re: [EVDL] 120240v (kit/assembled) battery charger? (Open source?)

[Stephen via EV]

Sorry, I wasn't specific... I have had a great experience with the EMW
Smartcharge PFC 12000.

Regards,
Stephen

On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 11:28 AM, Stephen stephen.holl...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have one of these, and it has been working great!

 Regards,
 Stephen

 On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:40 AM, Rod Hower via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

 Jay,
 I would check this one out, it meets all of your requirements

 http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/showthread.php/10kw-60a-diy-charger-open-source-59210.html

 they have kits and detailed info here,
 http://www.emotorwerks.com/tech/electronics



 On Thursday, January 29, 2015 11:18 AM, Jay Summet via EV 
 ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:



 I'm looking to buy a kit (or an assembled) battery charger for a 120v
 lead acid system, with an eye to upgrading to a LiIon system in the
 future (also near 120-130 volts, limited by my controller/motor combo).

 Requirements:
   -Must support customizable charging curves that I can tweak between
 Lead Acid and LiIon or differing number of cells.

   -Must be able to auto-switch / auto-sense 120 vs 240 volt feeds.
Most likely, this will mean it has a PFC front end.
   I specifically do NOT want to have to switch cables around.
(Ideally it will be able to limit draw to 15/20 amps on 120 and 30/40
 amps on 240...but I'm willing to toggle a menu option myself if needed
 for current limit.)

   -Needs to support a minimum of 2,500 watts of charging at 240 volts.
 I'd prefer 3.3k or 6.6k, but 2.5k is a minimum. I don't really need a
 super high powered charger, but would consider a higher power charger if
 the price was right. I have a NEMA-14-50 outlet, so max of around 40
 amps at 240 volts or 9-10kW range.


 Features I'd like:
-I'd like to keep the price low, and am very comfortable assembling a
 kit of parts. (But I want to be able to buy a complete kit, I don't want
 to have to source parts from all over...)

   -A BMS input to turn off charging (I don't want to fuss around with a
 separate AC relay...)

   -I'd prefer an open source solution over a closed source solution, but
 as long as I can manually tweak the battery charging curves and amp
 draw, I'd accept a black box that is cheap.

   -Ability to have sdcard, bluetooth or wifi access to charge data
 logging would be very nice, but is not needed.

 My maximum price point is around $2,000, and I'd really prefer to be
 closer to $1,000, so I'm willing to trade power for cost as long as it
 supports 2.5kW to 3.3kW charging...

 Suggestions/recommendations/reviews or things to stay away from?

 Thanks,
 Jay


 P.S. I currently have a 120 volt charger and a 240 volt charger that are
 both designed for lead acid, so I'll be saving some space by replacing
 them both, plus gaining flexibility for future upgrades.

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Re: [EVDL] Turning over a new Leaf...

[Stephen via EV]

The Juicebox from EMotorWerks is pretty good too...

http://emotorwerks.com/products/online-store/category/listing/23-juicebox-ev-charging-stations

Regards,
Stephen

On Sat, Dec 13, 2014 at 7:02 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 If you want something portable, might also consider the Openevse:
 http://store.openevse.com/

 Much less expensive than commercial ones, and several people here have been
 using it for a couple years or so.



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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem

[Stephen via EV]

You certainly can't rely on public chargers, or at least I haven't had the
nerve to yet... I only charge at work or home.

Regards,
Stephen

On Wed, Nov 19, 2014 at 8:38 AM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

 I built mine 2 years ago.

 The only time I charged it anywhere besides my garage was when I towed it
 to EVCON.

 It's mostly a silly argument and most chargers around cities are never
 used.




 
  From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 To: tomw tomofreno2...@yahoo.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List 
 ev@lists.evdl.org
 Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 9:08 AM
 Subject: Re: [EVDL] EVLN: Hand-wringing EV angst is not a real problem


 On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:27 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote:

  A person's viewpoint on this and many other things depends on how risk
 averse
  s/he is, and we all tend to think our level of risk aversion is just
 about
  right and any that is quite different is unreasonable.

 Range anxiety, I think, is even more governed by typical and expected use
 cases.

 If you have a five mile commute and the next city is thirty miles away and
 you can't imagine needing to go there on a whim, range anxiety isn't going
 to exist even with a vehicle with only 50 miles of range.

 If you live (as I do) in the Phoenix metro area, a vehicle with an 80-mile
 EPA range probably won't even be able to make it from Apache Junction (the
 city on the eastern edge of the Valley) to Buckeye (on the western edge) on
 a single charge.

 Risk aversion is going to be secondary to that. Maybe you live in the
 small town and you're not very risk averse, so a 20-mile range seems
 luxurious; maybe you live in the small town and you _are_ risk averse and
 that 50-mile range is what it takes to calm your fears. But, no matter how
 risk averse you are or aren't, if you live in Surprise and work in downtown
 Phoenix and can't plug in (a perfect description of another friend of
 mine), that 50-mile car isn't even going to get you all the way home. This
 same friend also sometimes has to go to Mesa as part of the job, and _that_
 round trip is itself outside of even the Leaf's EPA range. She'd probably
 honestly need a 200-mile range just to get to the same level of lack of
 range anxiety as that person in the small town would have with a 20-mile
 range.

 b
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Re: [EVDL] Scraped New Israli Renault Fluence Battery Packs Coming onto the Market?

[Stephen via EV]

Already gone I believe... Jack Rickard of EVTV brought over 30 packs and
they sold out in ~3hrs back in March...

Regards,
Stephen

On Sun, Oct 12, 2014 at 1:43 AM, Martin WINLOW via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:


 http://www.israellycool.com/2014/08/27/destroying-turkish-made-electric-cars/

 Does anyone know if these vehicles still have their battery packs?  If so,
 what are the chances of the packs still being viable and coming onto the
 market for 're-purposing' (a la the EVTV ones)?

 MW
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Re: [EVDL] co-operation

[Stephen via EV]

I tend to agree... The HOV lanes in the Bay Area are generally almost as
full as any other lane nowadays due to all the single person EVs in them.
So any advantage on those grounds is really muted.

I suppose my point is that there are various incentives that apply to new
EVs that are not extended to conversions, and so back to the original post,
I don't think there's as much interest in conversions simply because it
doesn't offer the incentives of buying new.

Furthermore, I think if the government was to really get behind
conversions, I fear they would implement some fairly strict implementation,
inspection and verification requirements that would make it more difficult
to do. Things like weight requirements that are in place in other
countries, that really impact the implementation of converting a car which
wasn't designed from the ground up as an EV into an EV. That would
effectively kill most conversions right there.

Regards,
Stephen

On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 5:38 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:

 It was a rude awakening to me when I realized that all the Greatness of an
 EV to solve all our problems does not apply to congestion (unless one
 switches to an electric bike).  So I have not been a supporter of HOV
 stickers for EV's.

 HOV stickers for EV's with only 1 person in them does not make sense.  AND
 it just adds to anti-EV sentiment...  Doing more damage than long term
 gain...

 Bob

 On Fri, Sep 26, 2014 at 4:53 AM, George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 wrote:

  Well, if you had Elon Musk on your side maybe he, with his resources,
 could
  get this changed, as well as other laws around EV's
 
  -Original Message-
  From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Cor van de
 Water
  via EV
  Sent: Friday, 26 September 2014 3:21 p.m.
  To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [EVDL] co-operation
 
  I too have tried to get HOV stickers, but the agency providing the
 sticker
  have made a very narrow interpretation of the California laws, where it
  indicates that all qualified vehicles should get a sticker (clearly
  meaning:
  all zero emissions vehicles) the agency has changed their interpretation
  and
  enforcement to only give stickers to vehicles where the *manufacturer* of
  the vehicle has certified that the vehicle qualifies (meets a set of
 rules
  that they have defined).
  I am doubting whether this was an attempt to kill interest in EVs in
  general
  by making it unattractive (difficult) to qualify for HOV stickers, but it
  certainly causes all pre-existing and self-converted vehicles to become
  disqualified from HOV stickers, which sounds arbitrary.
  Anyway, the interpretation of the agency causes this and it seems that it
  is
  an incorrect interpretation of the law. Either a lot of pressure on this
  agency or a lawsuit might be needed to change this interpretation - or
  enough politicians that hear from their (EV driving) constituency and
 make
  it explicit to the agency that they must issue stickers to *all* EVs.
 
  Cor van de Water
  Chief Scientist
  Proxim Wireless Corporation http://www.proxim.com
  Email: cwa...@proxim.com Private: http://www.cvandewater.info
  Skype: cor_van_de_water Tel: +1 408 383 7626
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Stephen via EV
  Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 3:06 PM
  To: HARSHA GODAVARI; Electric Vehicle Discussion List
  Subject: Re: [EVDL] co-operation
 
  How about getting a conversion to be recognized with the same incentives
  that are provided with most new EV sales? I converted my own car, at my
 own
  full cost, with no tax breaks or other incentives, and now can not even
 get
  a HOV sticker in California, even though the CA DMV and state BAR have
 both
  verified it as a pure electric vehicle and is fully exempt from any
 future
  smog certification.
 
  In the end, I did it for the savings in fuel costs, the silence, and it
  leaves me open to do whatever performance increases I want without any
  limitation (e.g. smog certification. It would be nice though to get to
 use
  that car pool lane ;-). from what I see, most EV buyers in CA are simply
  buying their way to a more convenient commute.
 
  Regards,
  Stephen
 
  On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV 
 ev@lists.evdl.org
  
  wrote:
 
  
   - Original Message -
   From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
   To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion
   List' ev@lists.evdl.org
   Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT)
   Subject: [EVDL] co-operation
  
In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise
   that is in it's self  not for profit but works to further the
  development
   of a market for converted cars which  could be a fraction of the cost
  of
   the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going.
  
   Could you elaborate a little on this. I am

Re: [EVDL] co-operation

[Stephen via EV]

How about getting a conversion to be recognized with the same incentives
that are provided with most new EV sales? I converted my own car, at my own
full cost, with no tax breaks or other incentives, and now can not even get
a HOV sticker in California, even though the CA DMV and state BAR have both
verified it as a pure electric vehicle and is fully exempt from any future
smog certification.

In the end, I did it for the savings in fuel costs, the silence, and it
leaves me open to do whatever performance increases I want without any
limitation (e.g. smog certification. It would be nice though to get to use
that car pool lane ;-). from what I see, most EV buyers in CA are simply
buying their way to a more convenient commute.

Regards,
Stephen

On Thu, Sep 25, 2014 at 1:58 PM, HARSHA GODAVARI via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
wrote:


 - Original Message -
 From: George Tyler via EV ev@lists.evdl.org
 To: 'brucedp5' bruce...@operamail.com, 'Electric Vehicle Discussion
 List' ev@lists.evdl.org
 Sent: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 14:43:05 -0600 (MDT)
 Subject: [EVDL] co-operation

  In this forum we have all the skills necessary to set up a franchise
 that is in it's self  not for profit but works to further the development
 of a market for converted cars which  could be a fraction of the cost of
 the current manufacturer's cars. This would really get things going.

 Could you elaborate a little on this. I am a little confused (senior
 moment..my natural state) as to what you are saying. Thanks.

 regards
 hg
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