Re: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[John Blair via EV]

Hi Lawrence,

I am in a similar situation.  I drive 4-5 times a year on a 1100 mile round 
trip between Northern California and Southern California.  I drive my RAV4-EV 
with an aftermarket CHAdeMO port.  It has an extended range of 125 miles.  Even 
driving at 60 mph, I don’t seem to get more than about 110 miles when it is 
loaded with a couple of German Shepherds and all of our gear.  I aim for a max 
of 100 miles between charging stops and drive along Hwy 101.  The difficult 
spot is between Salinas and San Luis Obispo.  You can just make it (I have been 
told) if you drive 50 mph with a light foot in good weather.  There are those 
that do that.  I spend the night in Paso Robles instead and charge L2 at the 
motel overnight.  I am ready for a break by then anyway.  Because you are using 
the maximum range each trip, you are having to spend a lot more time charging 
in the “taper”, which is a lot slower than the “up to 50 kW” charge rate.  
Typically, I have to charge twice for 45-60 minutes, overnight, and then twice 
more. 

I just got my new Tesla Model 3LR.  It will shave a huge amount of time off of 
the drive.  I only have to charge twice on the way down: once for 15 minutes 
and once for 20 minutes.  I will not even use the extended range mode.  Because 
the charging sessions are short, I will be charging in the sweet spot at 115 kW 
(approximately 475 mph).  The Model 3LR has much better mileage than the RAV 
(or even the other Teslas) and charges quicker as well.  I can drive on I-5, a 
shorter route and drive at 70 mph instead of 55-60.  I will probably stop more 
than twice just to stretch our legs, have something to eat and drink, and use 
the facilities.  As much as I like the RAV and it’s carrying capacity, the 
Model 3 will work out much better for the longer trips.


John
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Occidental, California
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> On Jul 30, 2018, at 9:10 AM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV  wrote:
> 
> I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
> the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are 
> all CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  
> As well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However 
> there are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good 
> for each standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 
> is not a good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you 
> don't show up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know 
> how to use Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  
> That is how I found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on 
> Chademo.  You just have to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your 
> travel time.  That is what we did coming North on the 101 from LA to San 
> Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you must stay in King City for a few hours.  
> As of today You can not make a trip on the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in 
> either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo has the gap near Weed, CA where a 
> 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no alternative route.   What I think 
> should happen is Govt. involvement.  It should be required that all fast 
> charge stations have equipment or allow equipment that allows any fast charge 
> standard to be utilized.  I would love to use the Supercharger system with my 
> Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross country with my Leaf today...However 
> with the reduced charging speed of 40kw not sure I'd want to go cross country 
> with that slow standard.  I will probably buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging 
> speed.  It's not the range...it is the charging time that makes EV's slow.  
> If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to 
> every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

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Re: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[paul dove via EV]

I for do not think we need government involvement.
Private enterprise will eventually fill the gaps. There's no money in it yet 
but there will be.


  From: Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
 To: "ev@lists.evdl.org"  
Cc: Lawrence Rhodes 
 Sent: Monday, July 30, 2018 11:10 AM
 Subject: [EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy 
I-5 CCS adequate.
   
I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are all 
CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  As 
well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However there 
are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good for each 
standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 is not a 
good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you don't show 
up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know how to use 
Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  That is how I 
found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on Chademo.  You just have 
to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your travel time.  That is what we 
did coming North on the 101 from LA to San Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you 
must stay in King City for a few hours.  As of today You can not make a trip on 
the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo 
has the gap near Weed, CA where a 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no 
alternative route.   What I think should happen is Govt. involvement.  It 
should be required that all fast charge stations have equipment or allow 
equipment that allows any fast charge standard to be utilized.  I would love to 
use the Supercharger system with my Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross 
country with my Leaf today...However with the reduced charging speed of 40kw 
not sure I'd want to go cross country with that slow standard.  I will probably 
buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging speed.  It's not the range...it is the 
charging time that makes EV's slow.  If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 
84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

From: brucedp5 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] L3 EVSE: Chademo still lagging behind on the west
    coast electric Hwy I-5
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Lawrence,

a couple of points:
other than letting you feel good venting on the evdl to fellow EV'rs (and
providing some interesting detail on your EV route/experiences), we can't do
much about correcting the too far away gaps between public L3 EVSE. I have
vented in the past but always let the powers that be also know.

I suggest (if you haven't already) shoot these lack of infrastructure
concerns to those that can act on them. VW is still touting how great are
their efforts to install EVSE
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan
Over a ten year period ending in 2027, Electrify America will invest $2
billion in Zero ... charging network -- to drive EV adoption by reducing
charging anxiety ...
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=volkswagen+charging


VW wouldn't be making such an effort if it were for the efforts of many
(including sierra club) to sue/hold vw responsible for their dieselgate
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2017/11/all-50-states-apply-for-vw-settlement-funds-ahead-schedule

So, I would let both sierra club and their buddies at plug in america know
of the charging discrepancies.

2nd point: I think you and I are using plugshare differently, giving
different results.
You mentioned Mt. Shasta, but sometimes Lake Shasta is transposed in the
word use. If I understand correctly, you are EV touring/trekking north on
I-5 from Sacramento aiming for just south of Medford, OR.

I came up with L3 CHAdeMO points to get you there and back (map)
https://goo.gl/maps/wLYRweUf9Es

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81743
2256 Solano St, Corning, CA 96021

https://www.plugshare.com/location/7
833 E Cypress Ave, Redding, CA 96002

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81745
4314 Pioneer Way, Dunsmuir, CA 96025

https://www.plugshare.com/location/75901
1868 Fort Jones Rd, Yreka, CA 96097

https://www.plugshare.com/location/6542
2371 Ashland St, Ashland, OR 97520
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[EVDL] Chademo still lagging behind on the west coast electric Hwy I-5 CCS adequate.

[Lawrence Rhodes via EV]

I guess I should have included CCS as good.  You can now make a trek North on 
the 5 to get to Oregon.  However while you pointed out L3 stations they are all 
CCS.  I can't use that with my Leaf.  I'm not venting just pointing out.  As 
well there is a CCS gap from Stockton CA to LA on the 5 for CCS.  However there 
are 3 main paths to LA from N. California.  Two out of three are good for each 
standard.  It just takes some planning on Plugshare and realizing L3 is not a 
good way of looking at it.  You must segregate each standard so you don't show 
up at a L3 with a Bolt and see a Tesla stationoops. I do know how to use 
Plugshare and when I request Chademo it gives the right results.  That is how I 
found the gap in N. California.  You can do the trip on Chademo.  You just have 
to find an L2 and suffer a 3hour addition to your travel time.  That is what we 
did coming North on the 101 from LA to San Francisco.  If you drive Chademo you 
must stay in King City for a few hours.  As of today You can not make a trip on 
the 5 from San Diego to Oregon in either standard. CCS must use 99.  Chademo 
has the gap near Weed, CA where a 3 hour stay must be made.  There is no 
alternative route.   What I think should happen is Govt. involvement.  It 
should be required that all fast charge stations have equipment or allow 
equipment that allows any fast charge standard to be utilized.  I would love to 
use the Supercharger system with my Leaf.  That would mean I could go cross 
country with my Leaf today...However with the reduced charging speed of 40kw 
not sure I'd want to go cross country with that slow standard.  I will probably 
buy a Tesla 3 with 140kw charging speed.  It's not the range...it is the 
charging time that makes EV's slow.  If you could charge in 10 minutes even an 
84 mile Leaf would be acceptable to every car driver.   Lawrence Rhodes

From: brucedp5 
To: ev@lists.evdl.org
Subject: [EVDL] L3 EVSE: Chademo still lagging behind on the west
    coast electric Hwy I-5
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Lawrence,

a couple of points:
other than letting you feel good venting on the evdl to fellow EV'rs (and
providing some interesting detail on your EV route/experiences), we can't do
much about correcting the too far away gaps between public L3 EVSE. I have
vented in the past but always let the powers that be also know.

I suggest (if you haven't already) shoot these lack of infrastructure
concerns to those that can act on them. VW is still touting how great are
their efforts to install EVSE
https://www.electrifyamerica.com/our-plan
Over a ten year period ending in 2027, Electrify America will invest $2
billion in Zero ... charging network -- to drive EV adoption by reducing
charging anxiety ...
...
https://www.google.com/search?q=volkswagen+charging


VW wouldn't be making such an effort if it were for the efforts of many
(including sierra club) to sue/hold vw responsible for their dieselgate
https://www.sierraclub.org/press-releases/2017/11/all-50-states-apply-for-vw-settlement-funds-ahead-schedule

So, I would let both sierra club and their buddies at plug in america know
of the charging discrepancies.

2nd point: I think you and I are using plugshare differently, giving
different results.
You mentioned Mt. Shasta, but sometimes Lake Shasta is transposed in the
word use. If I understand correctly, you are EV touring/trekking north on
I-5 from Sacramento aiming for just south of Medford, OR.

I came up with L3 CHAdeMO points to get you there and back (map)
https://goo.gl/maps/wLYRweUf9Es

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81743
2256 Solano St, Corning, CA 96021

https://www.plugshare.com/location/7
833 E Cypress Ave, Redding, CA 96002

https://www.plugshare.com/location/81745
4314 Pioneer Way, Dunsmuir, CA 96025

https://www.plugshare.com/location/75901
1868 Fort Jones Rd, Yreka, CA 96097

https://www.plugshare.com/location/6542
2371 Ashland St, Ashland, OR 97520
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