Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge

2015-12-21 Thread jerry freedomev via EV 

    Hi Lee, Alan and All,   I even have the 
Sunrise crash video  to prove it.      It isn't that hard 
to build an all composite EV's that can do that if one is good at composites, 
especially with today's batteries that are less than 50% of the weight of 
NiMH's, reducing rolling drag.
   Jerry Dycus

  From: Lee Hart via EV <ev@lists.evdl.org>
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Alan Arrison via EV wrote:
> There is simply no way a viable, fully enclosed, highway capable,
> electric vehicle ( that can pass safety tests ) can do anywhere near
> 55wh per mile.

"Well now, I wouldn't say that..." (catchphrase of Richard Q. Peavey 
character, from The Great Gildersleeve).

James Worden's 1996 Solectria "Sunrise" was a full-size 4-passenger 
sedan, built from the ground up to be an especially efficient EV. He 
drove it on many occasions from 200-400 miles on a charge. The results 
were verified in several American Tour de Sol competitions, and in 
demonstration drives between Boston and NYC at freeway speeds. The 
Sunrise had a 25 KWH pack of Ovonic nimh batteries, so going 400 miles 
on a charge meant 62.5 watthours per mile.

The Sunrise was successfully crash-tested, and met the DOT and NHTSA 
standards at the time.

And this was 20 years ago. I'm sure that today's batteries and 
technological advances can do even better.

I'm still working to build a kit-car version of the Sunrise; but it's 
been slow going due to lack of funds. A paradoxical side effect of the 
big automaker's EVs is that it's like pulling teeth to get people 
interested in conversions or kit cars.

-- 
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They will make things of whatever materials are at hand, and use the
whole force of dream and fancy to create something out of nothing.
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge

2015-12-21 Thread dovepa via EV 
It could if it weighs 500 lbs including passenger. 
So, not likely


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There is simply no way a viable, fully enclosed, highway capable, 
electric vehicle ( that can pass safety tests ) can do anywhere near 
55wh per mile.


On 12/20/2015 2:47 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:
> This is the view from the LOSER zone. The real news is the Dutch and Japanese 
> teams and Tesla's sponsorship of the Cruiser Class.  The Class that will 
> spawn the practical cars of the future.  The range of these vehicles is 1000 
> KM.  Remarkable for vehicles that only have a 15kw battery pack.  Average 
> speed is 55mph. Energy usage of these machines is 55wh per mile. Lawrence 
> Rhodes
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge

2015-12-20 Thread Lee Hart via EV 

Alan Arrison via EV wrote:

There is simply no way a viable, fully enclosed, highway capable,
electric vehicle ( that can pass safety tests ) can do anywhere near
55wh per mile.


"Well now, I wouldn't say that..." (catchphrase of Richard Q. Peavey 
character, from The Great Gildersleeve).


James Worden's 1996 Solectria "Sunrise" was a full-size 4-passenger 
sedan, built from the ground up to be an especially efficient EV. He 
drove it on many occasions from 200-400 miles on a charge. The results 
were verified in several American Tour de Sol competitions, and in 
demonstration drives between Boston and NYC at freeway speeds. The 
Sunrise had a 25 KWH pack of Ovonic nimh batteries, so going 400 miles 
on a charge meant 62.5 watthours per mile.


The Sunrise was successfully crash-tested, and met the DOT and NHTSA 
standards at the time.


And this was 20 years ago. I'm sure that today's batteries and 
technological advances can do even better.


I'm still working to build a kit-car version of the Sunrise; but it's 
been slow going due to lack of funds. A paradoxical side effect of the 
big automaker's EVs is that it's like pulling teeth to get people 
interested in conversions or kit cars.


--
The prime instinct of children at play is to build and to create.
They will make things of whatever materials are at hand, and use the
whole force of dream and fancy to create something out of nothing.
-- Alfred P. Morgan
--
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge

2015-12-20 Thread Alan Arrison via EV 
There is simply no way a viable, fully enclosed, highway capable, 
electric vehicle ( that can pass safety tests ) can do anywhere near 
55wh per mile.



On 12/20/2015 2:47 PM, Lawrence Rhodes via EV wrote:

This is the view from the LOSER zone. The real news is the Dutch and Japanese 
teams and Tesla's sponsorship of the Cruiser Class.  The Class that will spawn 
the practical cars of the future.  The range of these vehicles is 1000 KM.  
Remarkable for vehicles that only have a 15kw battery pack.  Average speed is 
55mph. Energy usage of these machines is 55wh per mile. Lawrence Rhodes
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[EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge Darwin>Adelaide.au e-race

2015-12-20 Thread brucedp5 via EV 


http://www.theengineer.co.uk/chasing-the-sun-the-worlds-greatest-solar-powered-race/
Chasing the sun – The world’s greatest solar-powered race
16th December 2015  Andrew Wade

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The Bridgestone World Solar Challenge is a 3000km motorsport marathon from
Darwin to Adelaide using nothing but solar power. Crossing almost the entire
length of Australia’s Northern Territory – as well as most of South
Australia – the race passes through some of the most unforgiving terrain on
the planet. But the brutal temperatures provide the perfect conditions for
racing solar-powered vehicles, and the race attracts competitors from all
over the world.

Durham University Electric Motorsport (DUEM) was one of three UK teams
involved in the 2015 event, which took place in October. The Student
Engineer spoke to Tobias McBride, head of business & sponsorship, and Jonny
Muir, external communications officer, about the team’s time in Australia
and its plans for the future.

“The race itself is probably one of the most challenging on the planet and
we knew it would not be a walk in the park,” said Tobias. “Unfortunately, in
the first week of testing, our motor encountered a severe technical fault
which, effectively, meant it was unusable. Despite this, we passed
scrutineering well and did complete the 3022km of the WSC.”

“It was disappointing and frustrating for the team, of course, but we have
come out of it stronger, more focused and more determined to make our car
the very best in the world.”

The misfortune that DUEM suffered with its motor meant that its car finished
outside the official classification. Other UK representatives also found the
going tough, with Cambridge University failing to complete the full distance
under solar power, and Ardingly College finishing mid-table in the
Challenger class.

“Cambridge have been our friendly rivals for a very long time and, although
we come at the challenge from opposing angles in terms of design in
particular, we both have the goal of really showing the world just what
solar power can do,” said Jonny.

“This is also true for Ardingly Solar – a UK school team entering the
challenge for the first time. It was great to see not just university
students but the next generation of engineers inspired to do something
outside of their school time and come all the way to Australia to do so.”

Next up for the team at Durham will be either the European Solar Challenge
in Belgium, or the South African Solar Challenge, both of which get underway
in September 2016. According to Jonny, the events will be the ideal warm-up
as DUEM prepares for another attempt at the World Solar Challenge in two
year’s time.

“We are looking at undertaking either the Belgium event which runs from 23rd
to 25th September or the South African Solar Challenge, which takes place
from 24th September until 1st October,” he said.

“This will be an ideal opportunity to test the car out and ensure all the
refinements, tweaks and enhancements we have made are performing at their
absolute best. There will be no better preparation for the 2017 World Solar
Challenge than one of these two events and we are hugely excited by the
possibility of doing this.”
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Re: [EVDL] EVLN: 3000km Bridgestone World Solar Challenge

2015-12-20 Thread Lawrence Rhodes via EV 
This is the view from the LOSER zone. The real news is the Dutch and Japanese 
teams and Tesla's sponsorship of the Cruiser Class.  The Class that will spawn 
the practical cars of the future.  The range of these vehicles is 1000 KM.  
Remarkable for vehicles that only have a 15kw battery pack.  Average speed is 
55mph. Energy usage of these machines is 55wh per mile. Lawrence Rhodes
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