Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
I think the article leaked out 7 days early :) -- Original Message -- From: Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: tomw tomofreno2...@yahoo.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 24-Mar-15 7:41:10 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html There's another point worth noting. If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the factory won't be using recycled packing peanuts salvaged from Amazon orders. Instead, the factories will get deliveries of newly-manufactured polystyrene (or whatever) to use as feedstock, pre-formed into whatever shape is the best fit for the machinery. There's just too much chance of contamination from consumer-recycled packaging materials to risk damaging a high-energy electronics assembly line. Imagine, for example, a cat who thought the box with the packaging materials would make a great litterbox, and somebody helpfully still sending it to recycling b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150324/d26ddbc3/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
On Mar 24, 2015, at 7:21 AM, tomw via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html There's another point worth noting. If this ever makes it to mass production, I'm reasonably sure the factory won't be using recycled packing peanuts salvaged from Amazon orders. Instead, the factories will get deliveries of newly-manufactured polystyrene (or whatever) to use as feedstock, pre-formed into whatever shape is the best fit for the machinery. There's just too much chance of contamination from consumer-recycled packaging materials to risk damaging a high-energy electronics assembly line. Imagine, for example, a cat who thought the box with the packaging materials would make a great litterbox, and somebody helpfully still sending it to recycling b -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 801 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20150324/d26ddbc3/attachment.pgp ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Packing-peanuts-make-batteries-tp4674434p4674464.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
Mike, This is a link to the Purdue research. It sounds like a valid technical report to me and I have never heard that the university is noted for selling snake oil. It seems they may be able to improve lithium-ion batteries, which could be of interest to EV owners. http://www.purdue.edu/newsroom/releases/2015/Q1/new-processing-technology-converts-packing-peanuts-to-battery-components.html Gail - Original Message - From: Mike Nickerson via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries Being fairly technical, I usually look at the situation the other way around. If the description of the technology doesn't give me a reasonable idea of how and why it will work, I tend to assume the person is the technological equivalent of the snake oil salesman. Unfortunately, I have rarely been surprised from that initial assessment. Mike On March 23, 2015 3:58:28 PM MDT, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way to recycle those peanuts. http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself. ...assuming that the reporting is honest ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way to recycle those peanuts. http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself. ...assuming that the reporting is honest b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
I was expecting the article to show an important announcement about this new technology in about a week, next Wednesday to be precise... But then the article went on about heating the pellets to create what replaces the carbon in a regular battery and I see that they found that packing peanuts can be used to create one of the two electrodes so that you can make batteries from them. I expect that you won't be making batteries at home any time soon, so I suggest to use packing peanuts for their intended purpose to ship stuff safely and if you don't need them then you can post an ad for them so someone else can put them to use instead of adding to the landfill... Cor van de Water Chief Scientist Proxim Wireless office +1 408 383 7626 Skype: cor_van_de_water XoIP +31 87 784 1130 private: cvandewater.info www.proxim.com This email message (including any attachments) contains confidential and proprietary information of Proxim Wireless Corporation. If you received this message in error, please delete it and notify the sender. Any unauthorized use, disclosure, distribution, or copying of any part of this message is prohibited. -Original Message- From: EV [mailto:ev-boun...@lists.evdl.org] On Behalf Of Ben Goren via EV Sent: Monday, March 23, 2015 2:58 PM To: Gail Lucas; Electric Vehicle Discussion List Subject: Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way to recycle those peanuts. http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself. ...assuming that the reporting is honest b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
Would you like to buy the old Bay Bridge for $100? -- View this message in context: http://electric-vehicle-discussion-list.413529.n4.nabble.com/Packing-peanuts-make-batteries-tp4674434p4674435.html Sent from the Electric Vehicle Discussion List mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] Packing peanuts make batteries
Being fairly technical, I usually look at the situation the other way around. If the description of the technology doesn't give me a reasonable idea of how and why it will work, I tend to assume the person is the technological equivalent of the snake oil salesman. Unfortunately, I have rarely been surprised from that initial assessment. Mike On March 23, 2015 3:58:28 PM MDT, Ben Goren via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: On Mar 23, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Gail Lucas via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: A friend just sent me this link, which seems to have credibility as the research is from Purdue. Any opinions out there? I would love to have a way to recycle those peanuts. http://mobile.geek.com/latest/256277-scientists-realize-useless-packing-peanuts-make-great-batteries A good rule of thumb with these sorts of things is that, if the press release doesn't give you enough insight and inspiration to have a good idea of how to do it yourself, you don't have the knowledge and / or skills and / or equipment necessary to be able to do it yourself. ...assuming that the reporting is honest b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
