Re: [EVDL] Expensive batteries
Here's a bit more detail on the original incident. https://www.edinburghlive.co.uk/news/edinburgh-news/edinburgh-couple-fume- handed-17k-27906242?_ga=2.246347724.933278429.1697443215- 401898413.1697443216 Yikes, try this link: https://v.gd/QCDfhZ A "goodwill repair" is when a manufacturer covers repair of something that fails out of warranty, to make the customer happy and retain his future loyalty. I've read that Tesla has something like 10 times the goodwill repair costs of other car manufacturers. This was part of a recent allegation that they were recording warranty repairs as goodwill, which would reduce Tesla's apparent warranty costs. Anyway, if that's true, I'll bet they could have handed this owner a new goodwill battery for free, or for something more affordable like $5k, and never even have noticed it in the bottom line. That probably would have prevented, or at least ameliorated, the negative PR that this will generate for them. Oh well. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = Research (noun): Searching the internet until you find a source that agrees with what you already believed. -- Anonymous = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Expensive batteries
There are often tax advantages to structuring maintenance costs as a lease. Bill D. On 10/17/2023 7:00 AM, EV List Lackey via EV wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-owners-bill-battery-damaged-ev- scotland-weather-2023-10 or https://v.gd/yIsSe4 Ouch. That price, $21k, seems a tad pricey. Regrettably the article is sorely lacking in detail. It doesn't even specify the Tesla model or the battery capacity. I could certainly be wrong but my guess is that Tesla sold the owner a new battery. Presumably there were no refurbs to be had. I can't find the source now but I recall reading - maybe in a web forum - that most EV manufacturers, at least in Europe, maintain a stock of refurb batteries for warranty service. They don't fit new ones because the warranty usually promises only to keep the capacity above some threshold, typically around 70% of original; also because the manufacturers are skinflints. One solution for the EV owner is leasing the battery, if not the car. When we bought our Zoe in 2020, Renault was still offering the car with a leased battery. They no longer are, AFAIK. In the end, we took the purchased battery option, but we debated going for the lease. Renault promised that if we leased, we'd never have less than 70% capacity. Also, the monthly cost would have been fairly low for our low KM/year usage. But there are non-lease alternatives. I haven't looked into this, but maybe someone else has: is manufacturer, dealer, or third-party EV battery insurance (extended warranty) available? It seems like it might be a viable business. Something like pay $A per month and the insurer guarantees that you'll have a battery of B% capacity for C years; or pay $X per month and if your battery falls below Y% capacity within Z years you'll get a new one. David Roden, EVDL moderator & general lackey To reach me, don't reply to this message; I won't get it. Use my offlist address here : http://evdl.org/help/index.html#supt = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = If economists wished to study the horse, they wouldn't go and look at horses. They'd sit in their studies and say to themselves, "What would I do if I were a horse?" -- Ely Devons = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/ ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
Re: [EVDL] Expensive batteries
EV List Lackey via EV wrote: https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-owners-bill-battery-damaged-ev- scotland-weather-2023-10 or https://v.gd/yIsSe4 Ouch. That price, $21k, seems a tad pricey. Regrettably the article is sorely lacking in detail... One solution for the EV owner is leasing the battery, if not the car. Battery leasing is pretty common in the industrial EV market. There are service companies that lease batteries for golf carts, fork lifts, etc. Companies often "can't be bothered" with maintaining their batteries themselves, and don't want "surprise" bills when one fails unexpectedly. So they pay a monthly fee to the service company, who guarantees they'll always have good batteries. A golf course near me used this plan. The service company came in once a month to check, water, and clean the batteries, and replaced any that were getting weak. I bought the used ones from them cheap, and used them in my ComutaVan. Likewise, when my wife worked at a hospital, they had a service company that blindly replaced their big UPS batteries every 3 years, no matter what. By talking to them, I was able to get the "pulls" for scrap prices. :-) Lee -- I am thankful to all of those who said "no" to me. It's because of them that I did it myself. -- Albert Einstein -- Lee Hart, 814 8th Ave N, Sartell MN 56377, www.sunrise-ev.com -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. www.avast.com ___ Address messages to ev@lists.evdl.org No other addresses in TO and CC fields HELP: http://www.evdl.org/help/
