Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)
I think the solution will be much more boring than that. As battery capacity increases and charge time decreases, we'll simply see filling stations morph to charging stations. Status quo. I'm sure people will continue to charge at home if they're able. The rest will use filling stations. I see exactly the opposite happening. As the world wakes up to the fact that an EV can maintain more than 80 miles of range a day by simply plugging into a 120v outlet while parked at home and at work, the need for going anywhere to charge diminishes more and more over time. AND cars will have simple appliance like retractible 120v cords instead of this silly designed-by-committee j1772 abomination for L1 charging. (Sure J1772 is REQUIRED for L2, no questsion)... but it is silly when you then stick a 3 prong standard 120v plug on the other end for L1! Just put the EVSE (for L1) safety circuit IN THE CAR and have a very easy retractible pull-out 120v plug for when you park. See how I did it on a LEAF: http://aprs.org/charging-DIY.html Going to a gas station makes sense when you only have to do it once a week or so. But no one will live with that inconvenience when they have to do it everyday like EV's require. And if one thinks people will buy bigger batteries just so they can go somewhere to a station to charge once a week and STAND THERE while waiting, one does not understand simple economics of time-or-money. Why pay THREE times as much for a 240 mile range when you only need 80. If you need 240, buy a plug-in hybrid. bob, WB4APR -- Original Message -- From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 24-Nov-14 7:10:54 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!) Ben Goren via EV wrote: I predict we'll see parking meters everywhere morph into charging stations This is certainly the logical way to do it. However, logic has little to do with politics and business. I also imagine there'll be much wringing of hands over figuring out what to charge for charging as opposed to parking... Ironically, every parking meter I've ever seen already charges *way* more per hour than the cost of the electricity you could get from an AC outlet on that meter. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)
Except for the fact that much of the population lives in Apartments and high roise building and have neither option. Where I live it works fine. I built a car with 40 miles of range. I plug in at home and at work so every time I get in it it is fully charged. I drive 20 miles to work and it's full by lunch on 110Volts and full again by the time I go home. I have plans to double the capacity but only for emergency in case I need to go somewhere else in the middle of the day but so far it's worked great. From: Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 9:38 AM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords) I think the solution will be much more boring than that. As battery capacity increases and charge time decreases, we'll simply see filling stations morph to charging stations. Status quo. I'm sure people will continue to charge at home if they're able. The rest will use filling stations. I see exactly the opposite happening. As the world wakes up to the fact that an EV can maintain more than 80 miles of range a day by simply plugging into a 120v outlet while parked at home and at work, the need for going anywhere to charge diminishes more and more over time. AND cars will have simple appliance like retractible 120v cords instead of this silly designed-by-committee j1772 abomination for L1 charging. (Sure J1772 is REQUIRED for L2, no questsion)... but it is silly when you then stick a 3 prong standard 120v plug on the other end for L1! Just put the EVSE (for L1) safety circuit IN THE CAR and have a very easy retractible pull-out 120v plug for when you park. See how I did it on a LEAF: http://aprs.org/charging-DIY.html Going to a gas station makes sense when you only have to do it once a week or so. But no one will live with that inconvenience when they have to do it everyday like EV's require. And if one thinks people will buy bigger batteries just so they can go somewhere to a station to charge once a week and STAND THERE while waiting, one does not understand simple economics of time-or-money. Why pay THREE times as much for a 240 mile range when you only need 80. If you need 240, buy a plug-in hybrid. bob, WB4APR -- Original Message -- From: Lee Hart via EV ev@lists.evdl.org To: Ben Goren b...@trumpetpower.com; Electric Vehicle Discussion List ev@lists.evdl.org Sent: 24-Nov-14 7:10:54 PM Subject: Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (L1 CORRECTION!) Ben Goren via EV wrote: I predict we'll see parking meters everywhere morph into charging stations This is certainly the logical way to do it. However, logic has little to do with politics and business. I also imagine there'll be much wringing of hands over figuring out what to charge for charging as opposed to parking... Ironically, every parking meter I've ever seen already charges *way* more per hour than the cost of the electricity you could get from an AC outlet on that meter. -- Don't worry about people stealing your ideas. If your ideas are any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats. -- Howard Aiken -- Lee Hart's EV projects are at http://www.sunrise-ev.com/LeesEVs.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.evdl.org/private.cgi/ev-evdl.org/attachments/20141125/ee0f7309/attachment.htm ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)
On Nov 25, 2014, at 7:44 AM, paul dove via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Except for the fact that much of the population lives in Apartments and high roise building and have neither option. In California, many apartment dwellers with an assigned parking spot can now install their own charging capability, as long as they meet certain requirements, including accepting liability. ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
Re: [EVDL] OT: status the newswires are changing, (Retractible Cords)
On Nov 25, 2014, at 11:52 AM, Robert Bruninga via EV ev@lists.evdl.org wrote: Any apartment dweller that thinks an EV that they have to take to a “CHARGING STATION” every single day for an hour a day is delusional. Any apartment dweller with a 30 mile daily need that buys a car with a 200 mile range for quadruple the cost of a battery just so they can go to a public charging station and sit for an hour once a week is wasting their money. You're assuming that batteries will always be as expensive as they are today. When a Tesla P85 battery costs a few thousand dollars or so, nobody's going to sell cars with anything smaller. And, everybody with an homebuilt will be thinking about how to replace whatever's in the car today with such a battery, much the same as so many with lead acids are replacing those with Leaf packs. Yes, an 80-mile range may well be good enough. But since when have advertisers and buyers ever been satisfied with good enough, when more than you can imagine is on the table? b ___ UNSUBSCRIBE: http://www.evdl.org/help/index.html#usub http://lists.evdl.org/listinfo.cgi/ev-evdl.org For EV drag racing discussion, please use NEDRA (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/NEDRA)
