Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Christian]

Am 24.10.2016 um 12:11 schrieb Wolfgang Rosenauer:
> Hi,
> 
> Am 24.10.2016 um 09:11 schrieb Moser Helmut:
>> Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about 
>> distro change)?
>> It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I 
>> have several 13.1 machines sitting there.
> 
> Seeing how we were struggling up to now with 13.1 I see no way to
> officially extend the support further.
> Nevertheless I'm volunteering to accept patches if submitted through the
> maintenance mechanism but I would not call it official support until
> someone steps up to take the responsibility tracking security issues.
> Therefore the following facts:
> - currently there is noone after November who officially tracks updates
> - 13.1 has to be considered insecure officially
> - patches will be accepted if submitted from contributors
> - if people step up, support can be extended

I can submit updates for packages I currently maintain anyway ... but
not for openSSL.
If someone wants to see an update for a special package, then feel free
to Mail here or me directly and I will have a look.
This is what I can offer ...

... thanks for your tremendous work Wolfgang !!

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Wolfgang Rosenauer]

Hi,

Am 24.10.2016 um 09:11 schrieb Moser Helmut:
> Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about 
> distro change)?
> It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I 
> have several 13.1 machines sitting there.

Seeing how we were struggling up to now with 13.1 I see no way to
officially extend the support further.
Nevertheless I'm volunteering to accept patches if submitted through the
maintenance mechanism but I would not call it official support until
someone steps up to take the responsibility tracking security issues.
Therefore the following facts:
- currently there is noone after November who officially tracks updates
- 13.1 has to be considered insecure officially
- patches will be accepted if submitted from contributors
- if people step up, support can be extended


Wolfgang

> -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
> Von: Evergreen [mailto:evergreen-boun...@lists.rosenauer.org] Im Auftrag von 
> Sebastian Niemeyer
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016 15:59
> An: oS Evergreen
> Betreff: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01
> 
> Hallo together,
> 
> how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a 
> longer support of the current evergreen release?
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Sebastian

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2016-10-24 09:11, Moser Helmut wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about 
> distro change)?
> It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I 
> have several 13.1 machines sitting there.

The more or less official wisdom was to upgrade to 42.2.

I have tested this under vmware player, and finished with a graphical
mode with XFCE that locks dead. ssh keeps working. I have to test again
with RC1.

I fear that the automated test bench does not test 13.1 -> 42.2 path.

All my machines are 13.1.

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Moser Helmut]

Hello all,

Can anybody here please answer the original question (besides tips about distro 
change)?
It's very important for me too to know what to do after November 1st as I have 
several 13.1 machines sitting there.

Greetings
Helmut

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Von: Evergreen [mailto:evergreen-boun...@lists.rosenauer.org] Im Auftrag von 
Sebastian Niemeyer
Gesendet: Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016 15:59
An: oS Evergreen
Betreff: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

Hallo together,

how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a 
longer support of the current evergreen release?

Greetings

Sebastian
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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Axel Braun]

Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 22:49:26 schrieb Felix Miata:
> > Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu.
> 
> Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality 
> modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of 
> FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!).

As long as you just use it from the CLI, it should be OK. Using Ubuntu with 
Unity is clearly a no-go in terms of privacy.

But using TW from command line and not running behind each and every update 
may be OK for a server as well. Depends on the needs.

Cheers
Axel

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Felix Miata]

Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 05:09 (UTC+0200):


On 24/10/2016 4:49, Felix Miata wrote:



Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200):



Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu.



Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of
personality modifications designed for shielding its users from the
underlying power of FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!).



But it is easier to handle, isn't it? More popular.


Methinks result of marketing (aka $$$) to n00b power, and Google returning 
askubuntu.com hits on virtually every Linux query (even when -ubuntu is a 
search term). Maybe not so good for anyone already exposed to the power of 
Linux and/or comfy with that power.



sudo can be bypassed. "sudo su -" for instance.


Permanently:

sudo passwd root

Then empty the sudoers list.
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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Carlos E.R.]

On 24/10/2016 4:49, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200):


Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu.


Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of
personality modifications designed for shielding its users from the
underlying power of FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!).


But it is easier to handle, isn't it? More popular.

sudo can be bypassed. "sudo su -" for instance.

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Felix Miata]

Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 04:27 (UTC+0200):


Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu.


Ubuntu *is* (a) Debian (derivative), just with a custom set of personality 
modifications designed for shielding its users from the underlying power of 
FOSS, e.g. Unity (aka only one way), and sudo (Ugh!).

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Carlos E.R.]

On 24/10/2016 3:32, Felix Miata wrote:

Carlos E.R. composed on 2016-10-24 02:31 (UTC+0200):



OTOH, abandoning YaST2 for (nothing) and Zypper (particularly its
package locking mechanism besides its overall thoughful design) for the
various Apt-based alternatives would likely be, at the least for
openSUSE ship-jumpers, frustrating.


Yes, I was afraid of that. This pair of friends are debian entusiasts, 
so that is what they want me to do. They even "threat" with replacing my 
machines OS when I'm not looking with debian, ha ha. Grrr!


Me, I think something else would be easier, perhaps ubuntu. Unless they 
come and set it up completely for me, ha ha, and keep maintaining it, ha!



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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Patrick Shanahan]

* Carlos E.R.  [10-23-16 20:34]:
> On 23/10/2016 17:50, Axel Braun wrote:
> > Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 16:10:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> > > > how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change
> > > > for a  longer support of the current evergreen release?
> > > 
> > > I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to
> > > replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for
> > > the server.
> > 
> > You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server
> > (IMO)
> 
> I can not put a server that stays 24*7*52(+/-) on TW, and update every other
> day, and break every other month...

If that is all your worried about, I haven't had a "break" on tw for over
a year.

but I do use 13.1 for server and may keep doing so for some time yet.
 
> I have been told by a friend that debian does have 32b version. Even an 8080
> version somewhere.
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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Carlos E.R.]

On 23/10/2016 17:50, Axel Braun wrote:

Am Sonntag, 23. Oktober 2016, 16:10:10 schrieb Carlos E. R.:

how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change
for a  longer support of the current evergreen release?


I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to
replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for
the server.


You know that TW has still 32bit supportbut thats nothing for the server
(IMO)


I can not put a server that stays 24*7*52(+/-) on TW, and update every 
other day, and break every other month...


I have been told by a friend that debian does have 32b version. Even an 
8080 version somewhere.

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Re: [Evergreen] openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01

[Carlos E. R.]

On 2016-10-23 15:59, Sebastian Niemeyer wrote:
> Hallo together,
> 
> how are the plans for openSUSE 13.1 after 2016-11-01. Is there a change for a 
> longer support of the current evergreen release?

I'm daunted by the perspectives. Either I buy new 64 bit hardware to
replace my old 32 bit hardware, or jump distro to something else, for
the server.

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Carlos E. R.
(from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar)



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