Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-05 Thread George Levy
This has been an interesting thread. Unfortunately I was too busy to 
contribute much. However, here is a thought regarding simulation versus 
first and third person points of view.

It does make sense to talk about a 3rd person point of view about 
simulation of a conscious entity on a computer. However, I don't think 
it applies to a first person point of view.

In the plenitude we'll have an infinite number of levels of simulation 
as well as an infinite number of simulations per level (2^aleph_0 as 
suggested by Bruno in a previous post, or higher)

From a first person point of view any observer moment in any simulation 
and at any level can transit to another observer moment in a different 
simulation at a different level provided the transition is consistent 
with the observer. Therefore from the first person point of view there 
is no such a thing as living in a simulator. As first persons we live in 
all simulators and at all levels.

In addition, since lower levels have lower complexity and therefore 
higher measure, the number of simulations is higher at lower levels.

Therefore we are more likely to occupy ensembles of simulations located 
at the lower levels. Is there a lowest level in the level hierarchy, 
that is a level below which there is no simulation, just the plenitude? 
Possibly. If so, we are most likely to exist "most of the time" at that 
base level, but we cannot exclude that "some of the time" we may be in a 
higher level.

h. This argument points to the fact that "most of the time" we do 
not live in a simulator!

George




Re: Are we simulated by some massive computer?

2004-05-05 Thread Bruno Marchal
Hi Kory,

Are you still there? I got "funny" responses" from the webposter, it looks
there is a problem with your mail address.
Hoping to hear about you soon,

Bruno

http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/